Author and Professor Found Love & Marriage Travelling Overseas; Talks Colorism in Latino/Asian Swirl

Author and Professor Found Love & Marriage Travelling Overseas; Talks Colorism in Latino/Asian Swirl

Our “Author of the Month” met her man in Spain. Umm hmmm…yeah gurl.

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Author : Christelyn Karazin

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So everybody who’s anybody on BB&W knows I’m tickled to my toes to feature Lori L. Tharp’s book, Substitute Me on this month’s book discussion.  Click here if you want to be in the clique.

In the course of our interview, I found out Tharps’ was preggers with her third “blanish” (African American and Spanish) baby.  Guess where she found him?  Whilst travelling abroad IN COLLEGE.  During school.  Through a program at her school.  College girls, am I making myself crystalline?

She met her hubster 12 years ago in Spain, and after seven years of back and forth (which was hard and expensive, because Skype didn’t exist, and you guys  have no idea how good you have it, because swirling pioneers had to walk fifty miles in snowy blizzards and paddle in canoes across the Atlantic Ocean to make it work, so I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANY COMPLAINING FROM YOU, YOUNG LADY!!)

College girls and young, single, working adults, wake up and smell the jet fuel.  You’re at the prime of your beauty and fertility so work it to your advantage.  Stop hiding in the dorms or your apartments giving yourself and your girlfriends bad perms and testing new nail polish colors.

It’s funny (as in a co-ink-ee-dink) that Tharps’ hubster is Spanish, because I’ve been in some pretty deep research about how color-struck some Lations and Asians can be, and how bringing home a black woman in some of those households may cause said parents to spontaneously combust.  Tharpe had no such experience–his parents loved her.

This might be due in part to her education and upwardly-mobile status.  Tharps observes that her in-laws had more of a conniption about another relative who married someone from a lower class, which was a COMPLETE scandal.

Ricky Rosa, 41, a Puerto Rican man in Florida, admits to the colorism issue, but education and status can make you an honorary light-skinned person.  He’s one of 12 siblings, and was the only one who married and procreated with a black woman, and lurves them still, even after his divorce.  Check this irony–he was once called a “nigger lover” by his lesbian sister.

Go figure.

So if you’re in college and waffling about travelling abroad, just go to the office already.  If you out of college and still want to travel check out my good friend, Lorriane Spencer’s business here.

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hmmmm....a lesbian calling someone a nigger lover???????m thats so stupid all i can do is laugh.

Tell me about it..this chick probably catches all sorts of s**t from other people just for being who she is, then she turns around and berates an antire group of people for the same thing? SMH. Idiocy is bliss.

haha so true! If anyone who really takes what she says to heart; I'd ask why? she's so air headed; I figure when people are calling her names she agrees haha! just sayin.....

Love this post! I've met way more men abroad than at home in Canada. Met my current significant other (who is German) while we were both working in Hong Kong. Now we've been doing long distance for over a year since his job sent him back to England. Thank god for Skype! We "see" other every day. Being in a long distance relationship is tough, but has allowed us to pursue our interests in travel- we often meet up in random destinations all over the world and have what I liken to mini-honeymoons... lol...

Anyway, his family has been very welcoming of me- no worries or issues about my chocolate skin. Long distance will soon be over as I'm moving to the UK to be with him. So, what's the point of this story? Travelling is awesome for many reasons, including the possibility of love.... Had I not moved to Hong Kong to work I would have never met the man who is the coolest person I've met to date... Had I never never studied and worked abroad in France and Mexico I wouldn't have even been open to moving to Hong Kong AT ALL as back in the day Asia was never on my radar.

So seize the day and make use of all opportunities made available to you! Travel has changed my life... for the better!

YAWOHL!
GET out of North America. See what the rest of this wonderful
world has to offer. Believe.....PLENTY!!!!!!!

I think it's great that his parents got along with Lori. Now though I'm concerned about classism, homophobia, orientalism, etc.

I mean if the classism is applied uniformly to everyone as opposed to being mixed with racism I guess we are progressing? Sort of? Can't look for a utopia I suppose.

I also don't think I like the idea of being an honorary light skinned person. It doesn't solve racism it just means I'll be more accepted the more others view me to be similar to someone who has had historical privilege. Ultimately that isn't helpful.

.. but again the world is so messed up, we have so far to go, one step at I time I guess...

P.S. LOVE College travel! I had the opportunity to got to Ecuador one summer and Mexico the next. I learned a lot. All students in university should take advantage of it for sure :)

Now, they might have that xenophobia thing going on, but they behaved like other Europeans did… they pretty much liked black Americans, might have had problems with black Africans or other groups they thought wanted to immigrate there. It was more of a nationalistic prejudice than a purely racial one.

I don't know, the few times I been around there, the men take liberties with you. But maybe it's because I scream African, they way I look and acts and sounds. But for some reason they tend to leave me alone when I'm walking with my husband ;)

My in laws are planing to buy a house in Spain or Italy to retire down there so I guess I'll be spending some more time there later.

You only need to drive on a highway to see were they get their liberties and views from. Who doesn't get cocky when you can buy a Ghanan or Nigerian teen for 20 euros? Same thing in Italy, just google it.

I guess you guys could use your American privilege and get out of that one. But never fear visiting new places, I don't let things like this bother me. I can handle myself and as long as no one is whipping me with a sjambok I'll be fine even with grabby 'southerners'.

Just don't be fooled by all the bravado from these men, they can be a lot like some black men in that way, lots of strutting around like a peacock and not much inside.

I don’t know, the few times I been around there, the men take liberties with you. But maybe it’s because I scream African, they way I look and acts and sounds. But for some reason they tend to leave me alone when I’m walking with my husband ;)

I lived there for four months... so I was more than a tourist, but not yet an expat.

I was warned about the catcalling by Spanish men, geared myself and waited for it to happen, and then... it never happened. Not that I wanted it to happen, but everyone said that it would happen to me as a black woman.

Then someone suggested that maybe my look screamed "American" or "Afro-European." Actually, probably the latter... I guess I was assumed to be some Euro-Afro mix that had grown up in Europe.

Until I opened my mouth!!!!

Were did you live?

We're been to mostly costal areas were those annoying men who would hit on anything in the world. Heck they even got a Swedish word for them lol 'Strandraggare' which kinda translate into 'men who picks up women on the beach'

But it's not limited to beaches.

Central Madrid. Lived with a host family, took the subway to my internship and Spanish classes daily and tried to move around like I belonged there!

Oh, uh, I did date the nephew of the lady who owned the apartment where we lived. Met his family in Grenada and everything. :)

Yikes, I mean "Granada!"

I've been working too hard today!!!

Spain is an interesting place indeed. Lots of unrest amongst internal regions. I had a friend (BW) who when her Spaniard BF took her home, the family was relieved she wasn't from Andulasia more than anything else. The family was Catalan BTW.

I always say; to get a 'feel' of a country and know it from within, you need to live there for AT LEAST a year (preferably TWO).
Anything less than 1 year is not living there imo, you're still an outsider looking in.
You need to live there for a while to start feeling like a citizen and not just a tourist.
Any country can be great if you've only lived there for six months!

So my advice, if you want to know a country, i mean REALLY know a country and how it is and will be when you do actually (if you do) live there for good (!), not only should you learn the language, but also their customs, traditions etc

I recently wrote a blog post about going abroad after reading an article in The Root about black expats. I always encourage black women to get out in the world. I missed the chance to study abroad in college because of my major changes, not-so-great GPA, and broke-ness. But made up for it with three years in Japan and had a blast. Not only did I meet blacks from the states while I was in Japan but also from other places like Kenya and England. My "world" in Detroit was pretty small; meeting someone from not around there meant that they were from Atlanta. So it was interesting to meet women that were there for various reasons. I have quite a few friends that have gone abroad as and it's just fun to talk about the different experiences we had in the different places.

I agree! My study abroad in France allowed me to meet Black folks from all over the diaspora... some places like Mayotte, Reunion Island, and the Comoros I had never even heard of before!!

@Rebecca it's not to late to relive your dream. I'm currently living in Korea teaching english. Teaching english is a sure way to live abroad and explore another country. I'm so grateful for this opportunity because I've wanted it for so long. I'm hoping to go to Europe next year. that is my ultimate dream. It's never to late to fulfill your dreams!

I plan to teach in Korea next year. Hopefully everything comes together and I make it there. I wonder why so many bw overlook Asia and the middle east and are so focus on getting to Europe. Aren't we suppose broadening our horizons?

Spaniards from spain are not as colorstruck as Latinos generally, they are Europeansand i feel they kind of have that same thing going on as the Italians. Not to say racism and xenophobia dont exist in these countries

Was just going to say this.

I studied abroad in Spain. Spaniards are basically just white Europeans who speak Spanish. They aren't Latinos.

Now, they might have that xenophobia thing going on, but they behaved like other Europeans did... they pretty much liked black Americans, might have had problems with black Africans or other groups they thought wanted to immigrate there. It was more of a nationalistic prejudice than a purely racial one.

"Spaniards are basically just white Europeans who speak Spanish. They aren’t Latinos."

They might not be Latinos, but to most other Europeans they are still viewed as "brown" because of their swarthy looks, and "latino" even if they technically aren't.
And a lot of them do have that sense of feeling "less white" due to having darker skin/hair and eyes and tend to stick to other Spanish people or date/marry other European whites.
There is a lot of racism there but there's also a lot of welcoming, warm and friendly Spanish people.
You need to go there and live there for awhile and see for yourself.

"Now, they might have that xenophobia thing going on, but they behaved like other Europeans did… they pretty much liked black Americans, might have had problems with black Africans or other groups they thought wanted to immigrate there. It was more of a nationalistic prejudice than a purely racial one."

The ones who have a problem with Africans, have the same problem with African Americans, in other words; Black people period.
The reason they might not be hostile or openly hostile towards an African American is because it's not assumed that you want to live there or immigrate there.
There aren't enough jobs to go around and too many immigrants means less jobs for the Spaniards.

Observer, I've also heard this--that there's some level of discrimination from "whiter" Europeans against the Spanish and Italian people. Sheesh. I guess we'll ALWAYS find reasons to stomp on each other to feel superior, huh?

It's not so much a 'whiter' than you issue. It's a North-South thing. Northern Europeans kinda look down on Southern Europeans kinda like the US does to Mexico. The south is considered, a bit slower, laidback, siesta-mentality, a bit more corrupt, while the Northerners consider themselves more efficient, etc etc. You can see that (if you follow European news) in how people are discussing the financial crises in Greece, Spain, and Portugal...

I remember reading her other book, Kinky Gazpacho: Life, Love & Spain, I look forward to reading this one as well.

The one thing I regret about going to college is not being able to participate in a semester overseas program. I wasn't able to go because of money, time and the fear of the unknown. If I could go back I would have definitely made the time and the budget to do that. So if you have an opportunity to go, DO IT! Don't wait, don't be afraid and make sure you plan ahead.

I have regrets too, Rebecca. I was all set to go on a trip to Italy with a girlfriend of mine we had a fall out (she started it) and we cancelled the trip a month before. I'll ALWAYS regret not going. I don't want other girls to miss their chance.

It was my year long study abroad to France that gave me the travel bug! It was the best LIFE investment that I have made EVER.

You're asking too much, Christelyn, that this generation Y appreciate what they have. They're not called DIGITAL, DISLOYAL DIVAS for naught. Reading the other threads, it seems they still want solutions handed to them........

Lovely lady and I adore reading about other black (or otherwise foreign) women who've been living/married/working in Europe for many years. We know why we're still here and it isn't for the clean water!.

Lol!

Haha. For what it is worth: THIS woman has no interest in being a "digital, disloyal diva". I'll take the advice of the older generation and work for what I desire.

Nice article thanks for posting it!@Loanire
keep taking your time- nothing is real until you're his woman. Let him chase you since you're going to Italy. Yes by all means met him and remember you wrote this: "He has never implied anything other than friendship in our emails. I, on the other hand, have already decided to have our wedding on the Amalfi Coast." Don't jump into bed with him for months! Don't live in your head over him- you are going to meet a TON of interesting interested men in Italy you will be the PRIZE. Don't get locked down on pipe dreams. Take. Your. Sweet. Time. And, ENJOY.

@Loanire- To reiterate what Dee Dee said, Don't sleep with him. Before we were married, I stayed with my husband for almost 9 months on a work VISA in Europe with no sex. We were just friends. In the meantime, however, falling in love. You have to give him time to know you and vice versa. Don't push him or seem desperate and don't live in your head. You are building something that may not ever exist.

Yet, I have always been the type to want to guage where I stand if interested. So, I know how that feels. However, I am never direct, but a sleuth that tries to pick up clues..lol My advice is that you should mention something to bring up the discussion about dating in a 3rd person perspective. Say something like, " Some American/African-American women say Milan is good for dating, and meeting new people,what do you think?" ( even if no one said it, use it..lol)

That will give you the opportunity to delve into his opinion and whether or not he dates, would date, likes you or etc? The next question might be, "So have you had an exuberant dating life here? if he says "No," then laugh and say, "Why, what type of woman do you need?"

Keep everything light hearted and separate from you and him while getting the information you want... Meanwhile, don't pass up any other suitors.

Let us know what happens...

I love to read positive stories about black women who travel abroad. I graduate this December and I’m currently planning on living in Italy for eight months next year before graduate school starts in the fall. Now is a better time than any to ask some advice from the Rainbeau Love Sensei and her faithful followers. I lived out a dream last year when I joined my university’s study abroad program. I lived in Florence for six weeks. My Italian was in its infancy and I rarely used it except for an embarrassing incident at a newspaper stand where I forgot what I was asking for mid sentence. I met a charming Roman named Bruno who wanted to father some cappuccino colored babies with me. I was romanced by an expat Spaniard who introduced me to the finer points of pda. I suppressed my inner freak and declined an invitation to “see his apartment.” This year, after four semesters of Italian, I’m ready to try again. I will be going back to Italy for a month in July. My problem is that I have an Italian penpal who wants to meet me. We started off exchanging languages which soon turned into discussing politics, our mutual love of all things literature and funny stories revolving around our cultures. On my recommendation, he purchased one of my favorite books. He calls it “our” book when we have debates about it. Tee hee hee! He lives in Milan and is very excited to meet me. He’s single, has a good job, 34, and doesn’t live with any of his relatives (a rare find in Italy from what I’ve heard). I need advice on how to show him that I’m interested without appearing as though I’m going to retract my jaw and eat him whole. He has never implied anything other than friendship in our emails. I, on the other hand, have already decided to have our wedding on the Amalfi Coast. I haven’t been on a date in six years. Yes, that also means what you think it means. I wear my desperation like the pair of ghetto girl fake hoop earrings. It’s prominent, shiny and jingles when I walk. I don’t want to scare him off. I don’t even know if he will be interested. How should I approach this? Some info about me….I’m 33, I’m a veteran, I’ve lived in Okinawa & Iceland. I've been stalking/reading this blog for a while now. Thanks in advance……

Lonaire -

Your desire for a meaningful relationship is palpable - it jumps off the screen at the reader. But it's not in your best interests to telegraph that to any man, because there are men that will exploit that, whether they leave you crying after a couple of days or leave you crying after a couple of years. Don't give them that opportunity! Play it cool, sister. Let the man come to you, let him do the wooing and the pursuing.

If you disadvantage yourself by showing your cards up front, all you're going to get is some short hit and run relationship.

Ooh, sounds so exciting! But to echo the sentiments of the other women, don't jump into everything! Wait until you get there and can gauge his interest. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve... yet.