BB&W Exclusive: A Chat with the Cute Black Dude Who Told It Like It T-I-IS on Youtube!

BB&W Exclusive: A Chat with the Cute Black Dude Who Told It Like It T-I-IS on Youtube!

Gotta give whopper props to Carnell Evans (aka 2CentsNow on You Tube) for sticking his neck out and break his fraternity to tell many black women what they already know. YES; black men have some serious commitment issues. YES; you should expand your dating options. And finally, if you’re in your thirties and still this swagger is the be all, end all, then you might need more help than this blog can give you.

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Gotta give whopper props to Carnell Evans (aka 2CentsNow on You Tube) for sticking his neck out and break his fraternity to tell many black women what they already know. YES; black men have some serious commitment issues. YES; you should expand your dating options. And finally, if you’re in your thirties and still this swagger is the be all, end all, then you might need more help than this blog can give you.

To refresh your memory:

Carnell “Nelly” and I had a nice conversation last week, and I’ll let you listen in…

Nelly 2cents now by Christelyn

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Aabaakawad 1103 pts

I think we should build our own archetype faux-intellectual troll-bot and fully disclose the code so people can see it for what it is. All the various lines of bullshit and why they are wrong.

Aabaakawad 1103 pts

We'll know we have built it right if we can release it on certain forums and it is accepted as a righteous member.

2CentsNow 22 pts

I've read a bunch of comments on this board and i'll be responding to more tomorrow.. i just appreciate anybody open minded enough to even listen to me & Christelyn interview.. Im glad we having all these chats about issues that really matter.. instead of BS, ok peace

-NeLLy

2CentsNow 22 pts

Brenda55Jamila >givin yall some info on me< I was in a committed relationship all of 2010...she's a great woman, Talented, funny, and has had success. we went our seperate ways early this year. I dont have any children, but i am planning to have them once i'm in my next relationship. This is it for me. I've decided to start my family soon. I noticed a couple comments suggesting that i cant give good "relationship advice" because i'm single and not committed. haha, thats like saying a DR. cant prescribe medicine because he/she is not sick... A-lot of times the storm is much clearer from the outside looking in. Why do u think people go to mediators? bcuz u need a fresh set off eyes & ears to analyze a situation. Also, people dont stop to think "hey maybe he's single now but he was in great relationship in the past"..YES! i have had beautiful relationships..So i know the ups & downs men & women go thru.

zabeth 817 pts

2CentsNowBrenda55Jamila I made the comments that I made because in the interview you indicated that you had issues with making commitment.

Jamila 7217 pts

I know some people have said 'well, if Nelly thinks marriage and commitment are so great, why isn't he married?" When I listened to the video I don't think Nelly was really clear on his relationship status; Chris has a picture of a woman kissing him on the cheek on the ticker/banner at the head of the page, and I assumed that woman was his girlfriend. Hence the reason I really didn't ask was he or was he not in a relationship. I think his exact relationship status isn't really important as long as he is being honest with any woman he is involved with--whether he is in relationship or not.

On another note....

I starting thinking about the symbiotic relationship that 'good black men' have with Ray-Ray, Pookie and em. While a GBM may not be playing around with a black woman, he is still enjoying surfing the waves of emotionally damaged bw that are often left in the wake of Pookie 'n em. (Khadija and another blogger mentioned this symbiotic relationship that so-called high quality and low quality black men have with each other.)

Another commenter here also said something about black men who claim to not want to be in a relationship yet they are always up in the face of black women who have already stated emphatically that they do want to be in a relationship. As I read in a book, " a mule always wants to mate with a thoroughbred". Low quality men are always going to try to hit outside of their range and, just like the GBM who wait around for a black woman to get her heartbroken so that he can attempt to swoop in take advantage of her weakness.

Unfortunately there are many different kinds of vultures who are circling over the heads of black women waiting for a key moment when we will be weak enough for them to swoop in the for the kill. All the more reason why we black women have to vet anybody and everybody that we let into our circle.

AIO 454 pts

Jamila

You called it right Jamila. VULTURES, the whole lot of 'em.

2CentsNow 22 pts

peace, this is Nelly from 2CentsNow and i wanna thank Christelyn for giving my video alot of exposure.

Christelyn 8751 pts moderator

Whoa, whoa, WHOA! I go Christmas shopping for the kiddies and come back to bedlam! The troll has been exterminated. Geez...I'm thinking I need to get a smart phone so I can be surgically attached to this blog from now on.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Christelyn LOL it's okay, we handle those trolls pretty well. Even when they're trying to sound all edumacated and stuff, we still got their number. They don't even come with a challenge anymore, it's always the same ol', same ol' now.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Toni_MChristelyn Even worse he tried to throw arrogance in with his, it's like 'oh dude you've so buried yourself' LOL.

Christelyn 8751 pts moderator

Love ya'll for holding down the fort. The children thank you, too. ;-) eugeniamitchell Toni_M

Toni_M 18844 pts

eugeniamitchellChristelyn Yeah, just because you're lucky enough to be allowed into someone's house, does NOT mean you get to piss on the carpet and then tell the person they're lucky to have your piss stains on their floor. SMH.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Toni_M LOL I have to use that Toni, I'm dying laughing over here. Christelyn

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

Christelyn When trolls invade this space it feels like walking down the street in a hood being heckled by Rayray in front of the liquor store. I hate that feeling. They're so smug, think we're not protected and they can lord it over us as they do to BW in real life.

StellaTrishaScott 294 pts

DeeDeeRussellChristelyn

I agree. They could only be smug among black women. You put them outside of the black community and it is something else entirely.

Brenda55 19475 pts

My thoughts on the IBM. I think we should retire the term. An IBM is just a black guy doing what other races of men do every day. Non-black men don't get a special title for getting up every day and going to work. They don't get extra points for going to school and graduating. They don't get kudos for not having a record or children out of wedlock. Non-black men are doing what is expected. Black guys some how get extra points for staying out of trouble. We treat the IBM like he is Pharaoh. When you widen your dating pool you come to learn that the IBM is really no big deal. Further black women are clocking it just as hard as he is but we put the crown on those guys.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Brenda55 Amen let's stop giving ppl pats on the back for doing what they are supposed to do, you shouldn't get a cookie for doing the right thing.

Flutter 147 pts

eugeniamitchellBrenda55

I believe Chris Rock did a whole bit on this in the 90s during one of his stand up routines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPHPQt91w8

"N___s always want credit for ish they're SUPPOSED to do:"

Case in point:

"I ain't never been to jail!"

"I take CARE of my kids!"

bwahaha!

ncatina 280 pts

Flutter One of the best routines upon his reportoire (sp).

Brenda55 19475 pts

Fluttereugeniamitchell

Here is a little something for the commitment phobes from Chris Rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjPBMAmNH14&feature=related

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Brenda55Flutter You guys got me laughing so hard, it's great!

AIO 454 pts

Brenda55

I completely agree Brenda.

Monique8 422 pts

Brenda55 THANK YOU !!! I coul dnot have said it better myself

Monique8 422 pts

I mean, yeah ok, so what? He's being "honest" ok. That's good for him. I think he's message is better suited for BW who ONLY want BM or the sista soldiers who cannot FATHOM being with a non-black man. I think for those women seeing this "IBM" ....O_o ... saying it's ok to date out will maybe get them do so, I dunno. I don't really care at this point. I mean you either get it or you don't soooo I'm a bit unimpressed and underwhelmed ...sorry. He's not saying anything that hasn't been said here and other BWE/BWEIR blogs a million times before. I will be a bit presumptious here and assume most BW here DO NOT NEED to hear him say it's ok to date and mate out... WE know this already. So again I guess it's good that he's saying what he's saying but again so what?

exmachina1 14 pts

Monique8

I agree. There was nothing really momentous in his commentary on dating out. Black women don't need permission in this regard. What was important was what he said with respect to commitment. That is an interesting and worthy topic of discussion, regardless of what one's racial preferences are.

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Monique8

I thought the same thing when I first read about him. For some weakminded BW, what he's saying may be revolutionary.

Wonder why BM are not sitting around waiting for BW to make videos approving their unions with non-BW. We never see that because BM could care less what anyone thinks about their relationships.

AIO 454 pts

Patricia Kayden Monique8

Well them not caring less about what anyone thinks about those relationships is part of what led to the need for BWE in the first place. I am not sure why they need to be applauded for being so indifferent to the feelings of Black women, which included their own daughters, nieces, younger sisters, etc. Let us also not forget how they have and continue to leach of off Black women all the while in relationships with someone non-Black.

AIO 454 pts

Monique8

I do not think a Black man showing love/concern for Black women is something that should be so casually dismissed. Like it or not, there are Black women who need to hear this from a Black man, and if it leads them to living better lives, that is all that matters IMHO.

Monique8 422 pts

AIO I'm not causally dismissing it. I'm saying that I don't think that the majority of women on this board NEED to hear a BM say "date interracially." I would wager a bet that the majority of women on this board got it. I think his message is better suited to BW who ONLY want BM and ONLY want to mate and date BM. THEY need to hear his message coming from him. And perhaps they'll decide to start thingking about the possibility of dating a non-black man...or they may not. I don't need to hear a BM say that it' sok to date non-black men because BM aren't going to commit. I know this already and I did not need BM to tell me this. I also question why so many women, BW in particualr NEED men to validate what they are feeling, living and seeing everyday of their lives. IMHO when we as women and specificaly BW put our selves in the center and realize that we don't need anyone to validate our decisions, views or opinions we'll be in a much better place to navigate our place in the world and negotiate and advocate for our needs.

AmeliaB 7 pts

Monique8 Not everything on this board will apply specifically to you.....shsss....Abrasive..

SurlySammy 138 pts

Nice Vid. I ways wonder what has been meant by "Swag"? short for Swagger? Swaggering? That all devil-may-care-womanizing- macho-he-man-chicks-just-dig-sexy-me kind of ruffian bad-black-boy-to-the-bone-marrow personna THANG? Never been really cearly defined to me. Just sheepisly wondering.

Law Wanxi 5801 pts

SurlySammy

I know; I looked it up in Urban Dictionary. You know, where disaffected Caucasian youth living in gated communities go to get them some verbal swag. And, clueless middle-aged immigrant Chinese go to figure out half of what they hear.

Swag is a contraction of Swagger. Swag has more swag than swagger as it is monosyllabic. Tendencies toward unashamed polysyllabic verbal modalities is indicative, nearly diagnostic in strength, of probable effeminate tendencies.

[Oh, darn.... where DID I put my "Hello Kitty" wrist brace? Well, there it is, on my shelves of collector "International Barbie Princess" figurines.....]

Karla 18238 pts

Law Wanxi The Urban Dictionary is a very handy tool for me as well. I'd certainly be less hip to my nieces without it.

SurlySammy 138 pts

Law Wanxi

Urban Dictionary. "You know, where disaffected Caucasian youth living in gated communities go to get them some verbal swag". Ha, never heard it's primary function put that way. So basically it means an arrogant cocky self-assurance act (ususally based on nothing solid) I suppose. I still think that the copasetic hipster hepcat argot of the bygone hardboiled gangster and Miles Davis & Chico Hamilton jazz era soaked in Kerouac Beatnic times possessed so much more oomph and clever spice meaning than the now weak milk & water Urban Dictionary jejune junk. Caveat - Now I'm only speaking for myself on this score. That's all. Well I guess i'm gonna light me up another coffin nail and crack some suds until I can't see a hole in a ladder. Plant ya now, dig ya later.

ElfeV 7093 pts

SurlySammyLaw Wanxi lolz Sammy you made me think of this cartoon hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Gwdj0C6S4

SurlySammy 138 pts

ForestElfQueenLaw Wanxi

My kind thanks to you immersed in apple blossom nectar honey, sprinkled with nutmeg, ForestElfQueen. I watched, just a few mins ago. Ha ha cute good cat n mouse jive. With all dat Zuit Suit mania....and Mr. J having the last ho ha - straight from the fridge (that means "Cool") Haven't seen Tom and Mr. J in a dog's age (maybe three in succession). Good stuff. A nice cartoon intermission from my Day's readings of Jack Douglas' "The Neighbors Are Scaring My Wolf" and some selections of The great short stories of John O' Hara.

Ok. God bless:)

ElfeV 7093 pts

Rosie SSurlySammyLaw Wanxi I love Boomerang! We've been taking a tv break for the children but we do have several T&J dvds. ...don't know what I'll do when Mad Men and Breaking Bad return. Itunes, I guess.

Toni_M 18844 pts

Wow, I am glad to FINALLY be back on here, since I've pretty much been buried in research papers. I think as the BWE and "BW exploring their options" talk really starts to take hold, you'll see more BM either willingly or begrudgingly stating the obvious: Which is that BW should first and foremost do what's in their own best interest. Some BW need to hear this for whatever reason, others don't and find it irrelevant. I guess it just depends. But it's irrelevant as the cat is pretty much out of the bag: A number of BW have been duped into being mules obediently withering away in a corner. Now that more and more BW or realizing that they were duped out of options they didn't realize they had (or had a right to use), more and more women are starting to correct this. So what's left but for BM who were otherwise silent to say what other logical people already knew? Anyone can state the obvious. And while I appreciate not having my intelligence insulted, it's a bit sad that we have to give kudos now to people who state the obvious rather than gaslight or lie. How sad is that?

And speaking of gaslight/lying, perhaps we should have an introductory post for trolls as well. Since it seems these people cannot help but show up and trying and BS us with nonsense that Stevie Wonder could see through with a pair of 3D glasses. IDK, just something that will let these sorry knee-grows know that they aren't the first people to try and peddle their ridiculous talking points and it's simply not going to work.

I know some DBR men and women are used to being able to say certain "catch phrases" or "code words" that bring out the: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX07j9SDFcc

And then black women fall in line and stop thinking logically, asking questions, or doing for themselves. Well...this isn't one of those places. And it's kind of hilarious that so many people continue to not realize that.

This is about improved lifestyles. That is not DEBATABLE, and it's certainly non-negotiable.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Toni_M I like that, 'this is not debatable' let's say it again. No woman on here wants a bm, so what do we care if bm are commit-phobes or not. I don't even care if white men are becoming commit-phobes there's a lot of me in the world besides black and white men. BWE is telling bw how to reach the masses if you're looking for a good mate and love. Enough said.

Toni_M 18844 pts

eugeniamitchell The thing is that we tend to touch on topics about what affects the wellbeing and happiness of black women, and that often includes limitations imposed by DBR males. I think in the twisted minds of some people, that means that "Oh, we really still want BM, but we're just bitter." Um, no. Actually some BW never wanted relationships with BM at all, and some aren't specifically fixated on a phenotype-dictated relationship. Discussing damaged males and issues that are harming BW =/= desire to partner with BM, especially the damaged ones, who don't seem to realize that they aren't remotely in the picture.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

Toni_M Well that's just unbelievable especially when you suffer from NPD, how dare us not want bm, he considers it a privilege that he's even here posting to us. In the mind of a NPD it just can't be true, that would harm their 'false' selves.

Toni_M 18844 pts

eugeniamitchell What was REALLY telling was when this person just automatically assumed that Joyce345 's comment was directed at him, even though he was not tagged anywhere in the comment.

exmachina1 14 pts

eugeniamitchellToni_M

I understand what you are saying, but marriage rates are going down across the developed world, not just the US. Read this (first referenced by jamila):

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/12/15/relationshipstrategies/the-grim-beeper/

eugeniaberg 7245 pts

exmachina1Toni_M And...it's not like ppl aren't still getting married. I don't get why you're here, are you trying to tell bw on here to give up on their chances of getting married b/c it will never happen. Because I happen to married, never thought I wouldn't be. I mean you keep saying you want to talk about subject, but you're talking about what you want to talk about, not what this blog or even this blog post is about. You wanna talk about this, go make your own blog. Stop usurping on other ppl's territory you have no rights here.

exmachina1 14 pts

eugeniamitchellToni_M

Please, just read what I write. Don't "read into" what I write. I strive for clarity and I think I write plainly. Nowhere have I stated that black women should give up on marriage or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that many black women are themselves reluctant to commit, which is part of the reason the black OOW birth rate is so high.

Christelyn introduced this topic. I am just expounding on it.