Big Donors or Little Voters? What Investments in Romney Today Could Mean For Big Business Tomorrow

Big Donors or Little Voters? What Investments in Romney Today Could Mean For Big Business Tomorrow

Both Romney and Obama have benefited immensely from “outside” money given to super PACs. But, Romney’s ties might shed some light on who might come to collect if he’s elected.

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If one is interested in forecasting what a potential Romney presidency might look like, it might be best to start with what we already know. Four major precedents have been set in the past few years that could mean key transformations in elections, campaigns, and voter outcomes going forward. Major campaign finance reform laws and US Supreme Court decisions set in motion drastic changes in the role of business in politics. Big business figured out how to exploit these revised laws. And, conservative politicians have reinstated the anti-union rhetoric last seen under LBJ. All these events can’t be attributed to Romney. But, his support for them may help elucidate his presidential goals.

Now where to begin…

Some say campaign finance reform started with the “McCain-Feingold Act” or the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002. But many more believe that the catalyst of change seen in recent elections is attributable to Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision of 2010. In this highly polarizing Supreme Court decision, the conservatives on the Court deemed, by a 5-4 vote, that corporations and unions should not be limited in their ability to express freedom of speech. Citing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, this decision gave these entities freedom to give unlimited amounts of money to political action committees (PACs). The term “super PAC” was born because, unlike the PACs of old, these new PACs were only limited in their ability to work in concert with candidates. Besides that, super PACs have unlimited power in political “free speech.”

Give Us Super PACs, Give Us Campaign Donations

Romney has argued that “corporations are people.” He even said so to a group of campaign supporters in Iowa last year. So, has the Citizens United decision actually had an impact? Definitely. Since July 2010, super PACs have poured millions of dollars into presidential and congressional campaigns. And, though the pro-Romney super PAC, Restore our Future, has a short list of major contributors, dissenters often criticize President Obama for his support from the Priorities USA Action super PAC. Undoubtedly, President Obama has benefited from the efforts of Priorities USA Action.  He has deep ties to Hollywood and union leaders. However, outside money raised by Restore our Future was almost double that of Priorities USA Action as of September. Therefore, one could assume that the goo gobs of money these campaign donors are investing in the Romney ticket have some future return. And, similarly, have an equal and opposite reward for the magnitude of spend to date.

Enter Big Business

Many conservatives defend big business. And as consumers, we obviously depend on many million dollar men without even knowing it. For example, the Koch Brothers, who’ve been supporting the GOP to the tune of millions of dollars, are responsible for household names like Brawny, Dixie, and Zee. Heck, they own major cattle, coal, and oil producers too. Want to do your part to dethrone them? Well, there’s an app for that. But, there have been other responses too. We’ve had the “Occupy Movement.” We’ve seen pickets and marches. But, nothing has done much to deter the business conglomerates that are working to have their “voice” be heard. Romney seems well aware of this point and has worked diligently to garner support from business leaders. Even, sometimes, asking managers and business owners to threaten workers into voting for his ticket.

On its face, Romney’s continued support of and from big business seems harmless and even expected. He is the former CEO of Bain Capital, a multi-billion dollar alternative asset management firm.  But, his relationship with big business coupled with the legislative power recently awarded to the million dollar donors helps shed light on what these dollars are buying.

Queue Union Busting

We all have freedoms right? If we want to support a business or if we don’t, if we want to live in a particular city or not, or even if we want to join a union, it’s our choice. Right? Well, maybe not anymore. Recent efforts in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to “bust” unions have caused a ruckus nationwide. And now, Californians are voting on Proposition 32 which, if passed, could severely limit the use of union moneys in political activities. California is a solid Democrat state and still has a union busting prop on the ballot.

What is devastating about this feature of our voting and elections system today is many low information voters receive their political resources via their union. If union busting laws are successful, many Americans will lose access to their primary channel of political access. Romney has expressed support of union busting in the case of Wisconsin. And, such a plutocratic regime would best fit with the business interests he’s been aligned with. So, it is safe to bet that he would support union busting if elected.

What does it all mean?

With the ongoing struggle between big donors and little voters, it seems that money speaks quite loudly. The Supreme Court underscored that with Citizens United. But, what do the people think? Liberals claim to be the voice of the people. The Obama campaign cites the over 3.1 million individual contributors, two thirds of whom have given less than $25. The Obama camp raised almost 40% of its donations from those who gave $200 or less while Romney’s share was just 15% in this donor group. So, more people with less to give have aligned with President Obama.

In contrast, Romney’s bread-and-butter donors have not been of the common sort. His donors are predominantly well-to-do. And, in some cases, extremely well-to-do. If these donors really do want a “return on their investment,” said return could mean fewer opportunities to unionize thereby removing a large segment of blue collar workers from the electoral landscape. It could mean less regulation for business and banking industries which were a fundamental cause of the recession. It could mean that elections are no longer fought but bought.

But, most importantly, it could mean that a Romney presidency would be an era of big business donors collecting on their investments. With ties to oil, banking, consumer goods, entertainment, transportation services, and capital industries, the permutations of influence are innumerable. And, victories for the common man like the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, healthcare reform, Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, and college loan reform, could become relics of the past. A Romney presidency could mean a shift in priorities toward business interests like less regulation on cattle feed, farm subsidies, banking products, oil drilling, and environmental preservation. It could also signal a shift away from a host of other common man issues that don’t necessarily align with big donors like the Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers. This could turn out to be cronyism at its finest. This is speculation, merely forecasting. But, using what we know today…we can certainly guesstimate what these things will yield. Are these big business investors looking for future payout? Probably. Will we get to see what that payout looks like? Well, D-day is just two weeks away. So, we’ll find out soon enough…

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Brenda55 19648 pts moderator

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/is_the_middle_class_an_endangered_species/

 

Read this and then try to argue that it is going to make  difference the first who you vote for in Nov.

Sure vote.  I will be but  in the end  the difference between the two candidates and the two parties is a nip here and a tuck there. Meaning not much. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Brenda55 I see your point but disagree that the decimation of the Middle Class has no correlative relationship with who takes office next year. I think the article you posted does a great job of breaking down what has occurred to get the Middle Class where it is today. But, only one candidate has directly addressed pocketbook issues with affirmation - Pres Obama. I think its hardly a nip here and a tuck there in this case. If we were talking about Obama and McCain, I'd agree. But Romney and Obama, at least based on the rhetoric we've heard this far, do not stand together on pocketbook issues.

ironcowboy 324 pts

Brenda55

 

This article http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/is_the_middle_class_an_endangered_species/

 

“In fact, experts increasingly date the financial gloom back to the 1970s, when globalization, technology and politics first started rewriting the social contract”

 

I know, I know, the author is such a tease... the author came so close, but then muddied the water with globalization, technology and politics… (OK how much crap were we getting from Russia and China back in the 1970’s?!?... almost 0 compared to today)

 

…it was August 15th 1971.  This is the date you can say the middle class developed terminal cancer!  Like most cancer, you never know the moment in time the first cell mutated!  You can only look back after it’s developed to kind of, sort of figure out when… but at that point does ‘when’ really matter?  No…for many people they can only treat the symptoms of the cancer… waiting and watching as the body gets weaker, as system fail, as pain and sickness wreak the body.  Wow, cancer really sounds like what is killing the middle class, and has sickened the nation…  Or nations problem is not the pain in the hip, it’s not the vomiting, it’s not the constant tiredness and weakness… those are not problems, those are symptoms of  problems…

 

Construct:  Dual incomes are necessary to support a lifestyle that a single income could just one generation ago!   Why is that?  Really think deep about this… really deep… very few economists want to probe this critical question.  

 

August 15th 1971 was the exact date that the US dollar was de-pegged from the international gold standard!  By severing this critical link, the dollar’s value can be free to be whatever blood sucking politicians and bankers conspire to establish… so as to maximize the financial rape and plunder the American worker.

 

It is sooooo critical to understand the function of money creation, and it’s value over time.  Not one in a million undertand this construct.

 

Did you know that in Roman 2000 years ago a man could purchase a really nice Legion Officer’s ensemble for 1 ounce of gold?  Did you know that today you can purchase a really nice Armani Suite for 1 ounce of gold?  Holly cow bat man… the VALUE of a good contemporary suit did not change over 2000 years!  But, this is all a function of monetary policy… it has nothing to do with economics!

 

American’s real problem is not political or economic at all… it is 80% monetary… Say it with me now MONETARY.

 

Mr Obama is a BIG fan of the Federal Reserve System… ( a criminal syndicate) and Mr Romney is a LITTLE fan of the Federal Reserve system…  However he did sexually arouse those of us student economists who are the rare monetary side analyst guys, with this “We will look into an FRB audit” statement.

 

Said another way, Mr Obama wants to keep the monetary system that is robbing you blind over time… he wants to keep that in place, and distract you from the hip pain, the constantan middle class vomiting, and the lethargy of the national body… he is happy to ignore the national cancer for personal benefit, because he is (a) benefactor of that money system.  Romney is not much different than Obama!

 

Why are you working harder and harder every year to maintain a set standard of living?  Because politicians and bankers who all make love with each other in the dark behind your back are skimming the wealth out of your pocket book every second of every day, and transferring it to them.

 

Again, this is a monetary problem not an economic or political problem ( the latter two are mere distractions).  Have you looked at M2 lately… does anyone really understand M2? And money creation as the root problem in the USA today?  Our present money system is the cancer, that is causing 80% for the pains in the middle class…

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 ironcowboy  Brenda55 

Now I know who you are.  Why did you change your name?

ironcowboy 324 pts

Brice CameronBrenda55

Witness protection program…

 

Besides this assumes #1, I was not already using some poor saps stolen identity from the beginning… to vote thrice in the coming election, and #2… um… I’ll think about #2 later…

 

Besides what is in a name?  Does not a rose smell just as sweet regardless of what you call it? 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 ironcowboy  Brenda55 How does this relate to the post?

DarlingNikki69 318 pts

Regardless of who wins the race I will be leaving the country, lol. It has nothing to do with Obmama or Romney, but my wanting to experience the world and live my expat dream.

 

Like many Bain Capitol jobs...I may end up in China. 

 

Either way the world will not end whomeever is elected.  Although, I"m extremley concerened about being able to make my own healthcare choices. If Romney and his friends have their way, I'm srue we'll be well on our way to kiss those rights goodbye.

ironcowboy 324 pts

DarlingNikki69

You’ll have more constitutional right’s the instant you leave the USA… especially if you end up in China  ;) …especially regarding the right to dissent, political affiliation, speech and abortion!  I hear that you can all the abortions you want in China!

 

Try this… wear a tee shirt that says ‘I am a Pagan’, walk around in the Middle East for a week or less, and report back to me what you experience.

 

Have a pleasant voyage…

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 ironcowboy 

It may surprise you, but the rest of the world is not a Soviet Gulag.  Travel a little.  You may learn something.

Toni_M 18952 pts moderator

 Brice Cameron  ironcowboy A man got shot in Sunday at CHURCH because a woman didn't like the fact that he was an abortion doctor and felt it was necessary to kill him to "save the unborn babies". People harass and picket abortion clinics and feel perfectly comfortable denying women and girls BC because "it's against my religion to sell them to you."

 

It's not like no one has ever been murdered in the US, and I mean recently, for reasons having to do with religious extremism, and it annoys me how high and mighty some people get while conveniently ignoring the ignorance and hate in their own backyard. 

 

It's not like we aren't swimming in violence in the US towards the ostracized.

 

DarlingNikki69 318 pts

 ironcowboy

 

You need to travel. I'm not talking Cancun and MBJ all inclussive resorts, but open your mind and travel.

 

So which country in the Middle East are you talking about? I've been to Saudi didn't like the restrictions, and lack of choice that women have in so many things. I've been to Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, and somewhere else that escapes me at the moment.

 

I don't advertise my religion in a country where we are entitled to our relgious freedoms.  Why would I go around and do it in countries that are essentially theocracies? That's stupid.

 

I don't offer political opinions in countries that I do not hold citizenship. I do offer them for the country of my citizenship.

 

I am all the way pro choice, and PROUD of it. I would never encourage or discourage any woman from having an abortion. She must live with the aftermath and answer to her God. I had my baby and raised him, it was the best choice I made in my life. I've never looked back . 

 

I love feeding idiot trolls....keeps me entertained 

 

 

 

 

ironcowboy 324 pts

DarlingNikki69

This is such a classic trap and you all fell right into it!  I spent 20 year in the military and have been around the world over 6 times, and I’ve lived overseas for numerous years… Much of the middle east too…

 

You guys don’t understand how safe and sweet life is here compared to that 80 percentile of the rest of the world.  Most of the people here compare America to America!    Most people have no idea what real hate on a high scale level is even like, especially when quasi government sanctioned.  

 

“I’ve been to Saudi and did not like the restrictions.”  This is too precious… But, I guess you probably complain how monstrous the Christian coalition is, and how evil Mitt Romney is… and how they are going to take away all your rights… and it’s so funny… because Obama and H Clinton helped install the Muslim brotherhood government into Egypt, and soon Syria, and Tunisia, ext.  You probably never noticed that the new president of Egypt just called for implementation of Sharia Law as soon as possible.  ( they call it women’s liberation) You probably don’t even know what Sharia Law is, or how a Muslim resolves a conflict of scripture (Recency vs Primacy), let allow the contrast in the difference of this compared to Christianity or Paganism 

 

So classic… You actually think the enemy of your enemy is your friend and American is just a violent as the rest of the world…  OMG my gut hurts from laughing so hard…  OK yes I admit that people get murdered here in the USA… But… you need to go out into the world and dig into a mass grave or two… and when you see the rotting eyes to 1500 little girls and women staring back at you unblinking… then we can talk about wholesale violence, genocide, and the piss-ass crime problems here in American in comparison.

 

PS I’m pro-choice too…

 

PSS I’m aware that much of the world is not a soviet gulag… most modern countries have abandoned the insane high corporate tax rates that Mr. Obama is desperately clinging to, so as to maximize class warfare BS.  It’s disgusting!  Have you looked at M2 lately?   I should put the M2 graph on my Christmas cards.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

@ironcowboy I am not comparing America to America. I am comparing it to other places I have been. Our crime rate, our poverty rate, our eduction level and our health care all compare unfavorably with the rest of the developed world. I love America, but we are no longer ahead of everyone else in the world. In fact, I think we could learn a few things from parts of it. Yeah, we are better off than people in Saudi Arabia or North Korea. In your mind, I guess that makes us #1.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

@ironcowboy Also, our infrastructure is crumbling. Why? Because no one is patriotic enough to contribute to the greater good. No one wants to pay any taxes. It is every man for himself. If that means we have to borrow from our competitor China to pay the bills then so be it.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Also, Obama is in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Alright, I keep thinking of things to add. Last post, I promise. I shouldn't have assumed that you haven't traveled. But I found it hard to believe that from your post that you had seen much of other developed countries. You can go an entire military career, travel the world and never see much of it. If you haven't, I suggest you travel for pleasure and interact with the locals.

ironcowboy 324 pts

Brice Cameron

Developed countries… Such as:

 

Bulgaria, Iceland, Latvia, Portugal, Romania, Iraq, Dubai, Ukraine, Pakistan, Argentina, Greece, Venezuela, Hungary, Italy, Australia, Spain, Germany, Austria, Finland,  Norway,  France,  Sweden,  Hong Kong, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland,  United Kingdom, Ireland and the good old USA.

 

For the most part, life is pretty good in all these countries now…  I’m sure you would say that many of the above countries are “better” based on how well they lavish their citizens with various social nets, and such things.  There is a curious thing about all of the pretty big countries on this short list…  They are either in HIGH danger of debt default now, or they are spending considerable more money on things than they produce as measured by GDP.

 

This is because 100% of these countries have no functional mechanism to restrict debt!   They can spend a lot now (free beer for everyone) (or did in the past)… but sooner or later the money spigot runs dry!   You see, you can only (wrongfully) steal a maximum of 100% of future production!  Actually this is not really true… you can’t take more than about 50% to 60% of future production (Ball parking it)  EVER!  Not without a violent revolution!

 

Here is the problem… Governments said back in 1930’s to about 1970… we can borrow nearly unlimited sums against a future generation now BECAUSE their future productivity will increase… and from that increased productivity; they will pay for this stuff at that future point.  That is a big assumption don’t you think?

 

Problem… flash forward to that future point… those people who NOW have to ‘produce’ have begun to say … now hold on a minute… I’m not going to pay for ALL of this stuff.  You wanted all this “free” beer… but you expect me to pay for 80% of it?  This is a fundamental social contract violation!  The problem manifests in that you have large numbers of people who selfishly only wanted to pay 20% for the stuff they wanted back then, and expected the future to pay 80% of that debt... and you have the future people now that want the same deal as back then, but who have a HUGE debt to carry!    …But you reach a point of fiscal impassibility in that 50% to 60% rage of stolen value of future productivity…  Indirectly people are now working just as hard as a generation ago… but have to live on ½ the value generated.  This is the impact of inflation from about 1960 to 2012, on the working productive.

 

 

All the above countries are now, or are rapidly nearing the point of maximum stolen future productivity.  Once they reach this point, they all go Greece! …Unless each adopts a new monetary system that has built in limits on debt to productivity over time, and that hold individual citizens accountable to their own productivity.

 

In a nut shell… no man has a moral right to have or take more than he produces…  If he is only willing to produce a little, his allocation is little… and he who produces much, his allocation is much.   This is the classic problem between free market ideology and (essentially) communist statist ideology.  One multiplies; the other divides, and says you have no right to produce so much…so when the statist’s ideology prevails for a long time, we get lower production. 

 

The statist can’t see the general relationship that when 40% to 50% percent of the people produce little, but demand much, the only really weapon of the productive class is to reduce productivity to a point that there is so little residual left to take and allocate to others, that the low productivity class has to sink or swim.  This is an incredibly simplistic explanation of some complex ideas and relationships… but I don’t have time or space to write a book.

 

So to answer your question… our country is crumbling yes, because we are nearing an intersection of two critical points.   About ½ of the people are effectively living off the backs of the other half, and to make up the difference, we can’t steal much more productivity from future generations… we can’t take more than about 40% to 60% of their productivity without causing them to revolt!  In a hard reality, the greedy class of 1940 to 1960 is about to wake up to a brand new cold hard world… were they have to pay 100% of the cost of the programs they wanted, or they are only going to get 20 cents to the dollar they expected.  Sure it sucks for them… greed kind of works that way…  But we have no social obligation to be their debt slaves… Who the hell do they think they are, and why do they think they are they so special?  In a lager and sadder construct… if they can’t pay what they owe, there will be broken fingers, arms, and some blood loss.

 

The US is now where the USSR was in about 1983ish, to 1986ish… on the brink of economic, monetary, and fiscal failure, breakup and limited war as several new nations form the ashes of the old.  Sure this might be a bit dooms-day… but every nation eventually collapses, and it’s just about past time for America according to the law of averages.   I mean no one here malice… I want you all to be happy, healthy and free to be whatever your heart’s desire.  What if no one has listened to Paul Revere?  

ironcowboy 324 pts

Brice Cameron

Of course Obama favors lowering the corporate tax rate…. Because he knows he never will need to actually lower it… it is a campaign lie!    He all for lowering anything as long as he is raising it.   It’s a load of dung that we have to swallow, that is where the gag reflex kicks in…  As part of the proposal…  “These subsidies (tax breaks) distort choices about where companies should invest,” Geithner said.

 

WOW… I’m so glad the federal government knows where companies SHOULD invest… that statement is actually fascist on its face… government directing when and where “private” capitol gets invested.  A small part of the present problem is that 80% of business are simply sitting on money… they are afraid to expand… because they have no idea what the risks to capital are in Obama’s constantly changing political game.  What is the tax rate going to be next year?  Who the hell knows… well, let put off expansion until after next year so we have a better idea how to expand based on (x).  Mr Obama has done one thing reasonable consistently… he has been inconsistent and ever changing with the wind, and most people and business can’t stand that kind of uncertainly.

 

Hum… Oh that’s right, Obama spent BILLIONS on green energy and 90% of them went bankrupt.  Now that is cronyism and wasted money…  I wonder what other business Obama and Timmy think are good investments for billions of totally free tax payer dollars.

 

Obama is happy to tell you where to invest; at least Romney quasi leaves that up to you…  Neither candidate is addressing the true problem.

WriteToLive 78 pts

As usual, this is a very well written post. The central problem with Romney' candidacy (and previous candidacies) is that we don't have much concrete to go off of. Considering that he was a Governor for only one term (Sarah Palin anyone?), he actual public sector experience is extremely small. And since he has managed to contradict himself on almost every issue, you can't take anything that he says seriously. So taking all of this into account, do you go with what you know (Obama, flaws and all) or the wild card (Romney)? Well, I'm not a betting man and these are not times for blind risks.

ironcowboy 324 pts

WriteToLive

Being a governor is more than twenty-five time harder than being a US Senator…   

 

A US senator has a staff of maybe 20 to 50 people some full time some part time, and mathematically represents only ½ the people of a state, or all the people ½ the time… it depends on how you want to quantify it…  They write laws, and live within the means of a small staff budget allocated to them.

 

A governor has a staff of tens of thousands state employees, command of the entire budget of a state in the hundreds of millions of dollars range, is Commander in Chief of the non-federalized portion of the State’s Army, Navy and Air Forces in time of insurrection, war and national emergency, her or she command’s the State Military Reserve forces at all times…   The Governor has to maintain the state budget and balance that against tax revenue.  They have legal responsibility to opera the entire state government within this framework of ALL laws of the state, feds, and the State’s constitution.  

 

This is why when you study history you will observe this correlation… former governor’s make WAY better presidents than people who were never a governor.

 

Obama completed less than 1 term as a US senator with no tested leadership experience… We still don’t know what grade he got in civics class…  He probably does not even know what M2 has been doing lately!

 

“Well, I'm not a betting man and these are not times for blind risks.”   OMG do have any idea how big of a gambler you actually are?  I do!

wesley koelewijn 11 pts

Mitt Romney will be bad for all of us. Just look at his predecessor George W Bush. He got in to a lot of wars and got all of us in this mess. And off course Obama maybe didn't do everything good but at least his fighting for a good country and not like mitt fighting in other country's.

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ironcowboy 324 pts

wesley koelewijn

WOW, I bet you just totally hate FDR!  

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

Yeah, politicians; you get what you pay for. 

 

So, Jenn, what are you going to write about after the election? I looked you up in LinkedIn [I'm not on it; my Indian business partner and I don't need it as we only do business with other Asians and we're HookedUp in the Chinese and Indian diasporas] and I noticed that you are an engineer. From a Name Brand School, too!

 

We have an abundance of PolySci types here at BBW, but what we don't have is people who can talk about becoming and being an engineer; what it takes and what it's like. AFAIK, it's just RickyT and me. Plus, I went to med school after getting the BSBME, so, other than internships, I didn't do much work as an engineer. Quite a few of the women here are choosing careers and your input might be helpful. 

 

Just saying.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Law Wanxi

 Agreed. I have passion for a lot of different interests including those that lean academic/professional. I'd love to write about engineering (or science and technology in general). We'll see where things go from here. Thanks for the comment:)

tracyreneejones 3596 pts

Wainment.....was that an attempt to formulate a strong hypothesis against the potential risk of electing Romney? Trying to use deductive reasoning and common sense.....Chile..we'll see how this goes. Beautifully written piece! I read it twice and found out nothing I didn't already know. Since you're so dam smart, how about an Apocalypse Now article stating alternative countries if a Romney win? 

DWB 7641 pts

 tracyreneejones Cuba has "free" health care, so you might want to go there. Sean Penn and Danny Glover speak very highly of Chavez and his people's revolution, so there's that...

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 DWB  tracyreneejones 

You can go to pretty much any developed country besides the U.S. and get state funded health care:  Canada, Great Britain, Germany, France, you name it.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 tracyreneejones

 Apocalypse Now. I love that.

DarlingNikki69 318 pts

 JennMJack  tracyreneejones

 You know when you say Apocalypse Now I immediately  think of Tupac's line in 'I get around'....2pacolypse now don't stop for heuaz.

 

I need sleep.

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

 tracyreneejones 

OK, Cuba has free health care and Venezuela has cheap petroleum products.

 

Sweden has free or near free health care and it's a developed economy. They might grant you political refugee status in case of a Romney win. The winters are long and cold, but I hear the summers are nice.

 

Not that anyone actually leaves the USA after an election, but it's like buying a lotto ticket. It's fun to dream about it.