Is it Okay for ‘Black’ People to Compare President Obama to MLK? Some Say No…

Is it Okay for ‘Black’ People to Compare President Obama to MLK? Some Say No…

Not everyone is thrilled about parallels being drawn between Obama and Martin Luther King Jr. Find out why.

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Yesterday was Inauguration Day. It was also Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. If you missed it, check out my previous post.

Oddly enough, there were a lot of memes that emerged yesterday. They came from everywhere. And, most people posted memes with both President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr. pictured together. It was almost as if the two were being equated. I think, inside, this made sense to me. So, I barely noticed it. Also, I could understand how many black people, some alive during Jim Crow, could find hope and esteem in yesterday’s proceedings. But, as I got ready for bed last night, I saw this meme on a Facebook friend’s page.

And, because I know this person’s background as a Palestinian American who has witnessed firsthand the tragedy and disgusting nature of warring in the Middle East, I thought to shrug it off. But, upon reading the comments, I was taken aback by the dialogue between my friend and another young lady whose heritage appears to originate in the same region (assumed Iranian from her name).

Young Lady: “it’s so annoying — so many people i know, especially black people, have photos equating MLK and Obama…it’s like yo…um really? lol”

Friend: “It’s offensive”

Young Lady: “it really is I’m like really…REALLY?!!?! go read and stop watching youtube videos”

So, at this point I was intrigued. I had never heard anyone make the case AGAINST comparing MLK and President Obama before. So, I simply asked why it was offensive. Here are some of the answers I got back.

Young Lady: “Obama drops drones on children, MLK fought for people to have civil rights/safety…it’s sort of like an oxymoron”

Me: “But MLK was never the President right? And didn’t Obama inherit the war? Also, you don’t think they represent similar things for the black community? Leadership? Transcendence over inequality? Etc? I am just asking because I have never seen one race of people offended by another race’s political figures in such a way before.”

Young Lady: “Obama didn’t inherit Somalia, Yemen or Pakistan…he started all of those things and does a great job at bombing poor innocent children. If you care at all, take a look at some of the deaths you can hold the president accountable for: http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

To some people they may represent what you described but in reality Obama is White [in the political sense]. He has not done anything to advance the status of communities of color in the U.S. and operates within the same system of oppression that MLK, Malcolm X, and SO MANY others fought against, not within.

Lastly, [friend's name] and I identify as people of color and are not of the same “race” — race is a social construct that is not clearly defined– but our struggles as people of color are one of the same. So MLK is as important to us as people of color as he may be to the Black community.”

Young Lady: “Although I must add that I am not black and do not live the black experience in America. Nonetheless, in my opinion and in many others’, including many black people, Obama is not what the black community or other communities of color need.”

What  was very interesting to me about this was that this young woman immediately called out black people in her original assertions. However, when asked to expound upon that identification, she turned it around on me as if I was noting race. I think she was attempting to ‘school’ me. But, I still didn’t get an answer back about why black people should not be comparing two of their own political leaders in reverence and admiration. She used the straw man ‘I know black people who say the same stuff’ argument so I was starting to lose hope.

Yet, I continued…

Me: “So you noted “black” people. Though I understand the bounds of race, you implied its significance (not me). I will not contend each and every point you’ve listed because you come off as really defensive when i was genuinely just asking a question.

But, what I will say is that denigrating a public figure for actions whether inherited or not is fine. For you. But taking offense with another’s right to reverence and esteem is wholly different.”

Me: “Whether you are one race or another or none at all does not mean anything to me or the question I asked. And your closing argument deviates from your original point. I was simply wondering why a collective esteem with the first black President (because he identifies as black therefore he is) and likening to another black figure offends you personally. You haven’t answered yet.

Being angry about what he has done internationally doesn’t change what he represents to a group. You are enforcing your value system on a group of people to which you proclaim not to belong. I just find that interesting.”

Me: “You guys don’t think MLK would vote for Obama? Obama is the manifestation of his “I have a dream”…speech. He is the dream incarnate. You are both arguing politics while I am asking about persona. See the difference there?”

Me: “I am not upset in the slightest [friend's name] just asking questions as I have never seen anyone offended by MLK comparisons outside of the black community.I agree that MLK would cry over the status of oppressed and abused persons in the world today. And it is likely he would denounce some of the President’s actions. But I do believe that his deeper goal would be more tha[n] political action alone. I think he would be proud to look upon the nation’s first black president.”

In the end, the conversation spiralled down into three main points: Obama bad. MLK good. I no like Obama and MLK compare. And, I agree with the concerns about Obama’s actions in the Middle East, Gitmo, and a host of other things. He definitely isn’t perfect. But, I have several contending issues here:

  1. Since when does holding any particular political stance make one “politically white?” I mean, what race am I politically? Samoan? I have no idea. But for some reason, this seemed like a valid defense to this young lady.
  2. How do we know how Martin Luther King, Jr. would have behaved if elected into office? This argument ignores the bloody wars we have been entangled in for over 50 years across the globe. To say that President Obama hasn’t inherited them is extremely obtuse. Did I miss something? Was MLK the President at some point? I must have missed that.
  3. Why does a President (of any color) have to come into office with the sole intention of catering to people of color? NOTE: Presidents don’t make or pass laws. I am not sure people know that but watching Conjunction Junction: School House Rocks! in the nineties taught me how a bill becomes a law and all the President has to do is sign it. That’s it. So, what exactly should he be doing that he isn’t doing?
  4. How can two, nonblack, people criticize black people outright for whom they (we) choose to or don’t choose to admire similarly? To me, it is a totally asinine liberty that folks shouldn’t believe they have.  Additionally, is this not just a case of differing value systems? Maybe black people see a value in the use of drones but haven’t experienced them personally so they don’t feel the same way these young women do. That is political right? Not racial. But, to call out a race of people, who have been historically oppressed in this country and who admire the two preeminent black leaders of our time, as offensive, to me, seeks to shame a group of folks who have nothing to be ashamed of.

Eventually, the two young women went into a fawning frenzy over Cornel West and posted the video below (which I had already seen).

To cap off the conversation, my “friend” offered me this.

Friend: “Jenn, I can try Spanish or Arabic if the above wasn’t clear? I agree with Dr. West’s sentiments exactly. I don’t know how much more clear I need to be. My offense isn’t that black people make the reference. My offense is in the comparison, period. No matter who makes it. So no, the unit of analysis isn’t black people. I’m not sure why you are trying to make it about race when it clearly isn’t. Everyone has been making the comparison not just black people. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean you have to play dumb like you don’t understand the argument I’m making. It isn’t just a political take on the matter. Martin Luther King Jr. would challenge the current policies under the Obama administration just like he challenged racist and segregationist polices in the past. To me they are two completely different individuals. Do they have some things in common? Sure. But that doesn’t make them the same. Quiet frankly, MLK (despite some of his mistakes) was so much better.”

Now I get it. King was just so…just so much…better. So, the issue isn’t black people needing to read and stop watching YouTube? (Ironically, their answer pointed me to a Youtube video). It was simply that President Obama needs to get himself some betterness and up his MLK game. Riiiight…

After all this, I felt like I had infiltrated on their “White Chicks” moment. You know, the scene in the movie where the fake white chicks (Shawn and Marlon Wayans) are in the car with their friends and they all agree that it is okay to drop the n-word since there’s no one around? Yeah, that moment. The intention was to slide a little racist comment in about black folk because the environment seemed safe. Well, their bad. Now it’s here on BB&W (ish happens).

Mind you, I never brought up race. So, here is my question: Why would any other group of people have legitimate reason to be offended by black people comparing President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr.? Is there a functional argument?

Please someone. School me.

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ScorpioEnigma09 80 pts

I may ruffle a few feathers with my opinion but here it is.  It absolutely disgusts me how people compare MLK to Obama.  People have been making this comparison since '08.  But I digress.  No one talks about this anymore but during the last year or so of MLK's life, he was extremely depressed as the black community had largely turned their back on him as he fought against economic inequality and harshly criticized American Foreign Policy as we stepped up the war in Vietnam.  Many African-Americans didn't want to antagonize Lyndon Johnson since he signed the Voting Rights Act.  I remember in a history class in college (I was a History major), we listened to one of his last major speeches in 1968 and my professor (white) talked about all this.  Fast forward to Obama's first term and his foreign policy was very militaristic--the exact opposite of what MLK stood for.  I'm not talking about Iraq/Afghanistan because we all know he inherited those wars, but Israel-Palestine, Obama's support for dictatorial regimes while championing America's democracy.  If MLK criticized America's involvement in Vietnam after President Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, IMO it's not a stretch to say he would criticize Obama's Foreign Policy now.

 

I'm not professing to know what MLK would think about Obama, I'm just going off the basics of what we know MLK stood for--nonviolence, democratic socialism and economic justice.

 

The race of people who make this comparison is meaningless because I know white people who feel the same way I do.  I'm actually not sure what race has to do with this in terms of how people view MLK.  He fought for justice of people of all colors and people of all races admire him.

The_Boss 283 pts

"Why would any other group of people have legitimate reason to be offended by black people comparing President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr.? Is there a functional argument?"

 

That's akin to me, a black woman, saying that Albert Einstein denounced his Jewish heritage by leaving Germany during WWII. I'm not Jewish, for the record, though I know some black people are. I have never been born or raised in a Jewish community. I have no idea what it is like to be Jewish, just as those people have absolutely no idea what it is like to be black. They never ever will, and they need to accept that fact now. It makes no sense for me or your Middle Eastern friends to criticize peolple who have acheived great things for all mankind in addition to their race/group/color/creed. It's almost none of my business to make such a negative statement.

 

Simply put, MLK and President Obama are two great leaders who happen to be black and who happen to be in the public eye. And whenever those two characteristics coincide, foolishness ensues. Every time.

kiki100 630 pts

 The_Boss //That's akin to me, a black woman, saying that Albert Einstein denounced his Jewish heritage by leaving Germany during WWII.//

 

Poor analogy. I agree that non-blacks don't seem to have any real reason to be offended. They are not black and can only see what is on the outside.

iHeartLove 804 pts

Of course people are going to draw comparisons between MLK and Obama. They are both Black.

 

People have little imagination.

Statuesque 1747 pts

"Why does a President (of any color) have to come into office with the sole intention of catering to people of color? NOTE: Presidents don’t make or pass laws. I am not sure people know that but watchingConjunction Junction: School House Rocks! in the nineties taught me how a bill becomes a law and all the President has to do is sign it. That’s it. So, what exactly should he be doing that he isn’t doing?"

 

THIS.  It drives me crazy too when people bray on and on about what legislation the POTUS needs to develop, that he isn't "doing enough" to pass laws or change laws and that he needs to address social problems with more than recommendations to Congress. Yet, when he does essentially spearhead legislation, he is castigated for abusing his powers as an executive and encroaching on congressional territory.

 

Decide whether Obama is your personal savior for the race, the ideology or whatever laundry list of grievances you have against the country/world/life in general, or he is simply the president and is limited in his ability to effect change legislatively no matter what the media say.  My goodness.

 

On another note:  While I understand and essentially agree with the criticism that MLK would not be a fan of Obama's hawkish policies, I think it is entirely appropriate to recognize that Obama is partially fulfilling the civil rights legacy of MLK.  Where it doesn't compute for me personally is the idea that a Black-identified president is supposed to put forth a Black-identified political agenda.  The man is not the President of Blackistan nor is he the President of DuBois' Talented Tenth.  Congress is essentially a collection of regional and sometimes racial representatives, but the POTUS must consider the needs of an entire nation with diverse interests.  If BWE types and Cornel West are upset, good.  They should be, and should continue to try and persuade the 90% that the needs of their 10% are pressing and should be prioritized.  And they should get in a very long line of advocates and realize that they are one of many constituencies vying for attention.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Statuesque

 {Three snaps in a "Z" formation} PREACH!

KingsDaughter 4638 pts

@ Jamila and JennMJack 

 

Hmmm...

 

Ah forget it! I'm not getting into that endless crossfire.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 KingsDaughter

 Hahaha, I am trying to get out of it too. Please. Help. LOL

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

To All Whom It May Concern:

 

Once someone tells me "bye," and then I reply in kind, I stop responding to them for the rest of the thread and I no longer read their comments on that particular thread. I take people at their word and hope they take me at mine.

 

But no worries, all is forgotten by the time I get to the next post. :) 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila And yet you're still here...-___-

Maxwell Skipworth 11 pts

I'm not offended by the MLK and Obama comparisons as far as the connection goes as black political figures in American history.  Undoubtedly the two are giants in the history of black America and should be recognized in all communities for the advancement of minorities.  

However, I think for some people the comparisons beyond that go a little too far since MLK is not just a black historical figure, he's an American hero.  Even though I'm white, MLK is my favorite American hero and my idol.  I suspect many other people of all backgrounds hold him to the same regard.  So further comparing MLK to a President that many may not like (I support Obama for what it's worth) for other reasons could be very offensive.

Look at it this way, the US has four federal holidays centered around individuals- Columbus Day, Christmas, Washington's B-Day, and MLK's B-Day.  Quite obviously MLK is held in extremely high, safeguarded regard.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Maxwell Skipworth HI MAXWELL! Good to see you here buddy:)

 

That was a coherent argument and one of the first I have seen on this issue. Agreed.

cocoababe 1578 pts

too many black women are STILLL drinking the Obama kool-aid.  the BWE veterans have been calling him out since 2008 (before he won the election), but most do NOT want to believe he does NOT have bw's best interests at heart. i applaud the black conservatives in the blogosphere for having the guts to even voice ONE disagreement they have w/ the President. god-forbid you disagree w/ this man.

its going to be a LONG 4 years and I truly believe its going to get a lot worse for a bulk of black Americans in this country that voted for his 2nd term.

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 cocoababe I understand issues with Obama but that isn't what the post is asking. I am not saying that I agree or disagree just asking if it is fair to enforce our value systems on black people who obviously have some reverence for the man. I mean, he is the first black President right?

cocoababe 1578 pts

 JennMJack i understand what your post is discussing and i left my comments below answering your question :)

"I mean, he is the first black President right?"

well, he's the first biracial President and he's the first President to identify as black.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 cocoababe Right. He is all those things for a host of people. I just don't want the conversation to turn into a soapbox event on MLK and Obama. I don't necessarily love everything about him but I see his merits. I am not sure I am drinking the kool-aid though. But, I agree, a lot of black folk are. Rightfully so I think.

 cocoababe I don't drink the Obama's kool-aid, actually none of the black leaders have black women's best interest at heart. I support my people when it comes to injustice brought upon us by whites but that's about it. I strongly dislike the "I'm black we black so let's support because the other person is black no matter what it is".

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

Just an FYI to anyone questioning the editing of the post above, this is a verbatim post. The only things stricken from the conversation were sensitive things like names...and a few spelling which are noted. Proceed.

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

 JennMJack 

 

"The only things stricken from the conversation were sensitive things like names...and a few spelling which are noted."

 

I don't believe you. 

 

What happened before "Eventually, the two young women went into a fawning frenzy..."? What led up to "eventually"? 

 

And then there is, "To cap off the conversation..." What preceded the capping? 

 

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila Before the frenzy I told them I needed to go to sleep. Then, when I woke up, the entire conversation had become a dialogue about Cornel West and when he would be in Cali. You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I have no reason to misrepresent anyone. I didn't feel that everyone needed to read the times and locations of Wests lecture series.

 

What is your issue? I just don't get it. You're so hell bent on arguing with me that you'll do anything to prove your point. Aren't you the one who just had to offer mea culpas in an entire post dedicated to your outlandish outbursts in the comments and yet, here you are, at it again.

 

Puhleaze. If you don't like my writing, my stances, my critiques of you, or anything else, take it up with the blog mistress. Outside of that, have several. I have been handing them to you for monthsssss.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila "I don't believe you."

 

What moderator does this anyway? I mean really....geez.

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

I read an article this morning about how MLK stood against U.S. militarism and how that part of his legacy has been pushed under the rug.  Obama as Commander in Chief, is the senior representative of the U.S. military.  He is arguably the most powerful man in the world.  It is hard to keep everybody happy when you have power.  MLK represented a powerless group and accomplished a lot through non-violence.  But he had no choice.  He didn't have the option of violence against a much more powerful adversary.  His power was in his superior moral position and he leveraged that power masterfully.  Nothing Obama could have done would make him universally admired.  But that is a consequence of his position compared to Martin Luther King's.

 

I remember that the U.S. had most of the worlds sympathy after 9/11.  We lost some of that sympathy when we started fighting back.  If the world's sympathy depends on us remaining victims, then we can do without it.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Brice Cameron Brilliantly stated. I am still struggling to understand why folks don't get that MLK and Obama are at two completely different stations. Their roles cannot be compared. And simply saying that Obama mandates drone attacks and MLK would never do that completely glosses over that nuance.

Obama and Dr.King shouldn't be compared. The reason people are comparing them is because they are black, every black person doesn't represent the next black person.

 

Obama's accomplishments are far different than Dr.King's, Dr. King made it to where someone like Obama could even consider running for president. Without his courage there's no president Obama.

 

Also black people as a race and a community still HAVE A LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG WAY TO GO.

JennMJack 1180 pts

I agree but the eerie thing here is that no one is debating that. I am talking about the PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE. Why are they not allowed to have the same esteem and admiration for the two men? Regardless of what we think about MLK and Obama PERSONALLY.

 

This girl was not able to articulate her core argument to me. And, thus far, no one has been able to.

 

"Why would any other group of people have legitimate reason to be offended by black people comparing President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr.? Is there a functional argument?"

 

And not only that, why are black people not right in having a fictive kinship with the two leaders? I just don't get why we need to cannibalize one another when both men are worthy of praise in their own rights. Right?

mzsunshine 2421 pts

 JennMJack

 I just don't get why we need to cannibalize one another when both men are worthy of praise in their own rights. Right?

 

Right? Why do we have to compare or rank black leaders as if we are talking about sports?

JennMJack 1180 pts

 mzsunshine That's what I am saying. Whether you prefer one over another is your own prerogative. But, to call me or anyone else offensive for having a different value system, different preferences, or any other differences in opinion is actually offensive.

 

And, in the context of it being said following the implication that black people don't read and get their information from YouTube, it obviously was not meant in a way complimentary to black people.

 

They are both black leaders and they had/have more similarities than just skin color. Let that be that. Whether you want to co-opt MLK or Obama or not is your own business. I just don't get it.

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Why do we have to compare President Obama to Civil Rights Activist Martin Luther King?  I have to laugh.  President Obama has accomplished much in his own right for the country as a whole and for all Americans regardless of color.  That's why he was re-elected.

 

Dr. King accomplished much for the civil rights movement and is a hero, not just in this country, but all around the world, for advancing human rights, speaking out against the Vietnam War, supporting unions, etc.

 

We don't have to compare people just because they're Black.  I love them both and see no reason to denigrate one to uplift the other.  Ridiculous.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Patricia Kayden

 I agree with you. I also feel that if anyone feels the same sense of reverence for the two of them, no one should shame them out of those feelings. I see them very differently as well and hold them both in high esteem. That was why I was so shocked by the comments made by these young ladies. Thanks for the comments:)

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

"Why does a President (of any color) have to come into office with the sole intention of catering to people of color?"

 

I don't think anyone said Obama had to have the "sole" intention of catering to people of color. The word "sole" was your interjection and it created a straw man. As Obama has already stated, he is not the President of black America, he is the President of America. He should advocate policies that are in the benefit of people of color just like he advocates for everyone else. 

 

As far as Obama being politically "white,"  I get what she' s saying. If one agrees that the question of being black is a political question--Obama is exactly half black and half white, ethnically speaking--then in declaring himself to be black--not mixed--he has made a decision that is both political as well as personal. To be politically white is to be politically neutral on those issues that would be considered of particular importance to black people. Not saying I agree with this line of thinking, just saying I understand what the person was getting at. 

 

"That’s it. So, what exactly should he be doing that he isn’t doing?"

 

It has been said many times that Obama is very "cool" towards schmoozing with members of Congress and isn't as comfortable reaching out to them as he should be. Congress has a good idea of what the President will or won't sign before they send it to his desk; and, he does work with members of his own party to craft the types of legislation that he wants to pass. 

 

Now, IMO, Barack Obama is no MLK. MLK was revolutionary. Obama is just another politician for the most part. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila

 Just a note, this was directly from the young lady. Hence, the argument that Obama is not right for the black community.

 

"Although I must add that I am not black and do not live the black experience in America. Nonetheless, in my opinion and in many others’, including many black people, Obama is not what the black community or other communities of color need"

 

I did not create the straw man. I inferred from her assertions and her noting that she knows of black folks who hold similar views as the prime influence in her thought process.

 

Jamila - I am not going to indulge your devil's advocating. But, I will say this, the notion that someone can be politically racial is asinine.

 

I agree Obama is no MLK. But, my questions remains:

 

"Why would any other group of people have legitimate reason to be offended by black people comparing President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr.? Is there a functional argument?"

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

JennMJack

"I did not create the straw man."

 

Yes, you did. You were the one to insert the word "sole" into the argument--not the young lady you were speaking to. I do not think it is proper to assume that a person means "only," "all," or "solely" unless that is the particular word that they choose to use. I sometimes refer to "black women," but unless I say ALL black women or ONLY black women it should not assumed that I mean ALL or ONLY if I did not choose to include those words. 

 

"But, I will say this, the notion that someone can be politically racial is asinine."

 

Obviously, I disagree. 

 

"Why would any other group of people have legitimate reason to be offended by black people comparing President Obama and Martin Luther King, Jr.? Is there a functional argument?"

 

MLK wasn't just important to black people. He supported the peace movement, he was supportive of birth control and had a close relationship with Planned Parenthood (thus many feminists and women's health advocates felt a personal relationship with him). MLK was so important to many different groups of people--he wasn't just about civil rights for blacks, but rights for all. For his time, he was very progressive. So I can understand other groups of people who also hold MLK in high regard being slightly offended at attempts to elevate Obama to the level of MLK. 

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila Okay, not to belabor the point, but a 'straw man' argument is a debate tactic used for the purposes of disproving another's point from a more convenient vantage point which draws erroneous conclusions from the previous stance offered. In this case, the young lady criticized black people. I then asked why. She then presented several straw man arguments. They ranged from black folks not knowing things about Obama and about Obama and MLK themselves. Never answering my question which was simply: why are you offended? 

 

The black people say it too phrase is indeed a straw man. Because it seeks to disprove the implied argument (which I never had) that it was okay for black people to equate the two men and that Obama was great. It is an attack on an argument that I did not make and was an attempt to disprove her perception of my point without addressing the actual point itself.

 

Me using the word "sole" in this article is called hyperbole. I see why you might think it was a straw man but I never used it in my argument. I used it later in the article to ask a question. Additionally, she said, in her own words, that Obama didn't do enough for black people. I didn't draw that conclusion erroneously. So, not a straw man. An editorialized exaggeration though yes.

 

I really don't care if you agree with this chick. You never agree with me and I don't expect that to change.

 

But, my question remains. How can one group attempt to define reasonable bounds for another group's admiration and esteem. Whether MLK is important to a gaggle of people or none makes no difference. I do not get to tell anyone else who they are allowed to appreciate. Its like saying I am offended by Black History Month because Latinos are so much better.

 

I don't get to force my value system on anyone else. And implying that these people don't read and get their information from YouTube is quite disgusting a stance to have on "black people." You can agree with this chick all you want. I still don't see a cogent argument explaining why one person (or group) should be offended by another person (or group's) admiration. And, not only that, using said offense to legitimize discriminatory language? It seems hypocritical to me.

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

 JennMJack 

 

Re: rhetorical devices----I'll leave all of that alone. 

 

From you're heavily edited postings above, I'll say this: That the woman, whoever she was, did not seem out of line to me to say Obama has not been all that great for communities of color--he could be much much better. And, I don't think one has to be a black person or other person of color to feel that way. 

 

Also, I agree with her: elevating Obama to the level of MLK is patently ridiculous. Obama is great, for what he is. But he is no MLK. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila Heavily edited? Anyways...

 

Like I said, agree with her all you want. Oddly enough, I haven't said that I disagree. At no point have I expressed my own view. And you still (unsurprisingly) haven't answered my question.

 

What did Gutter Snipe Minaj say to Mariah? "You're dismissed!" LOL

 

Run-tell-dat LMBO

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

JennMJack

 " And you still (unsurprisingly) haven't answered my question."

 

Honestly, I have no idea what your question is (or was). There is so much going on in that post I thought it was just a stream-of-consciousness piece--except there is no consciousness. 

 

So, if you have question you want me to answer, just ask it in one sentence. I''ll answer you. I promise. 

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila Girl please. We ain't gone criticize posts and writing styles.

 

I dismissed you. G'Nite. LMBO

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

 JennMJack OKAY! Goodnight! :)

cocoababe 1578 pts

 Jamila 

 

You said it better than I could Jamila!! TY :)

 

SheThrives11 314 pts

 cocoababe  Jamila I agree. Very well said Jamila. 

cocoababe 1578 pts

"Is it Okay for ‘Black’ People to Compare President Obama to MLK?"

No. i'm actually embarrassed for people who think Obama has accomplished anywhere near as much as MLK and the often forgotten black women of the Civil Rights era.

 

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly Obama has done SPECIFICALLY for black americans. Jews have an agenda for Obama, White women have an agenda for Obama, white gay/lesbian people have an agenda for Obama.  Anytime black Americans start talking about high black unemployment rate and how much it has gone up since Obama took office or any issue pertaining to black folks, they are shouted down.

 

"He's not the president of BLACK AMERICA!!!"

 

oh I forgot. blacks are the only group that can't get their issues brought up.  just to be clear, i'm not talking about social issues that are within black voters hands like fatherless children.

WriteToLive 78 pts

 cocoababe I think you are getting things mixed up here. No one is saying MLK and Obama are equals. No one is saying they are the same. And for someone to think that someone spearheading the Civil Rights Movement and ultimately being assassinated for it is that same as becoming the first Black president should get their head checked. The point here is that these two individuals are symbols for Black America. And folks on both sides of the aisle, no matter how they feel about Obama's politics, can agree on that.

 

On another note, I still don't understand why people are looking for Obama to "do something specific" for Black Americans. He is the president of AMERICA. That means everybody. As you note, different groups have agendas. They all want things done. And they all lobby by whatever means they have to have those issues taken up. Unemployment is higher for the Black community. So ... should Obama ask Congress to make a law that forces people to hire by certain percentages of racial groups (a quota system)? {Remember, as noted above, presidents don't make laws ... they sign them ...} How about we have a more focused discussion on what issues affect the Black community and what steps could be taken to remedy them.

 

If Black people want their issues brought up, it is up to them to bring it up. Ironically, MLK is central to this article. And when he and others felt that their issue of Civil Rights needed political attention, they did everything within their means to make that happen. That is how this country is built. The country belongs to the people, and it is up to the people to make sure that the country is governed the way they see fit.

cocoababe 1578 pts

 WriteToLive 

 

"And for someone to think that someone spearheading the Civil Rights Movement and ultimately being assassinated for it is that same as becoming the first Black president should get their head checked."

exactly.

if we are comparing accomplishments with regards to black progression through society, then that is why i said NO, because Obama IMO hasn't done anything to progress black american. For me, Obama being a figurehead is not enough. I'm seeing so many black folks online talking about how much Obama has done for blacks in comparison to MLK and im just smh.

 

as for your middle paragraph, i don't see anything wrong with groups wanting to get their issues addressed by their gov't. I'm not sure what that looks like for black Americans.  I don't believe there is a functioning black "community" anymore and I don't believe blacks need a "spokesperson" like Al or Jesse.  I like what some BWE bloggers talk about with like-minded bw becoming allies and creating things like super pacs, like white lesbians have done, to make sure their issues are front and center.

 

IA with your last paragraph, but listening to black people in real life, that's not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that it is ENOUGH that he is even in office, not anything he's done, but its ENOUGH that he is visible and the fact that he married a black woman is some sort of accomplishment.

 

the only similarities i see honestly are that they both have black women, have black children, and both are seen by many blacks as the leader of black Americans.

WriteToLive 78 pts

 cocoababe I think we agree on a number of things, including what needs to be done. There are a number of issues that face Black Americans today. Like the other groups you mentioned earlier ("Jews have an agenda for Obama, White women have an agenda for Obama, white gay/lesbian people have an agenda for Obama."), when you want something done in this country, you need to organize and make your voice be heard.

 

In regards to Obama doing nothing for African American progress, well ... he has accomplished a lot in office that benefits African Americans. It just so happens that it benefits others as well. Just like everything else. Getting rid of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" benefited white gay men. And white gay women. And Black gay men. And Latina gay women. Not much was done over Obama's first term where you could specifically tie the benefits to only one group. As it should be. Obama should be an advocate for everyone's progress, looking at things from a "macro" level vs. "micro".

 

And truthfully, Obama being elected, serving competently, and then being reelected is enough. You may want more, but that is enough. If MLK hadn't been assassinated, Obama would have been elected within his lifetime. Though I won't address your moniker of "figurehead" and all that it implies, that election is Dr. King's dream coming into fruition. In one lifetime, Blacks have gone from not being treated as equals to obtaining the highest office in the land. We shouldn't disregard that so easily. Disagree with his actions or politics, but don't downplay the importance of that.

 

And if the only similarities you see between MLK and Obama is skin color, marital status, and presence of children, that is a problem in and of itself. I don't think Obama is a leader OF Black Americans. He is a Black American leader. Important distinction there. He is not leading us; he is a leader who is part of our community. And in a community that you even believe isn't "functioning" anymore, I think it is important for us, as a community, to have examples of leadership. Maybe that will inspire us to do a better job for ourselves.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 WriteToLive  <~~~~ [this is my boo writing this by the way so I am biased but..] BOOM!

 
Seenyc 785 pts

 WriteToLive  cocoababe  You are on point!

 

Notice the presence of a lot of latinos at the inaugural festivities. They are expecting things as well now because of thier voter turn out and imigration policies that will be dicussed soon. Latinos are  the defaul face of imagration apparently. Asians probably won't  want to be left out, so you are so right about everyone having an agenda for the president.

mzsunshine 2421 pts

 WriteToLive  

Very well said!

 
PamelaFoster 610 pts

 WriteToLive  cocoababe

 This.....100% truth!!