Black People Hijacking Biracials!

Folks of mixed race are then forced to identify with blacks (who are collectively low on the rung) or be a traitor. White people just do that institutional racism stuff.

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My pal, Lorraine Spencer wrote an in-ter-esting Facebook note about Tom Sizemore’s ‘coming out’ about having a black grandfather and mother. The first thing I thought was, “Whoa! Mixed kids are like a box of chocolates!”

Besides that, one thing she wrote in particular that stood out:”But if they chose not to live as black they should be free to do so without being hijacked by black folks because they buy into the that stupid and irrelevant “one drop” rule.”

The question is, how come black people want to “hijack” or “out” people who fall fair on the melanin spectrum with parents are clearly racially identified? I’m just beginning to crack open Fatal Invention: How Science, Politics, and Big Business Re-Create Race in the Twenty-First Century, and I gotta tell ya, this race stuff is pretty messy to sort through.  Slick Willy announced in 1999 that we are all 99.9% the same, and there is no race but the HUMAN RACE.

So…that’s it then? We’re done with about a kabillion years of segregation, discrimination and a bunch of other “-anations” since SURPRISE! we’re mostly all the same?

PFFFTTT!

Race is just too easily identifiable, such a cinch to use to put folks in their place–why not use it? Because while there may be no multitude of races, there are fistfuls and buckets of tribes, crews, sects, nations, clans, etcetera. What better way to divide and feel superior over another, and justify all kinda wrongs than through something as no-brainer-y as race?  Says Roberts:

Imagine walking into a room filled with people displaying a wide range of skin colors, hair textures, and facial feature. It is likely that the very first thing you do, either consciously or unconsciously, is to identify the race of every single person in that room. Americans are so used to filtering out impressions of people through a racial lens that we engage in this exercise innate racial identities. But the only way we know which racial designation to assessing each person is by referring to the invented rules we have been taught since we were infants. And the only reason we engage in this exercise is the enormous social consequences of classifying people in this way.

Under these conditions, each “tribe” jockeys for the top spot on the hierarchy. Which leads to an explanation for why black folks want to claim anybody who’s got 1/1000th of black in them, especially if those people have achieved some level of wealth and/or fame. It’s like the black community wants to simultaneously pull down these folks and prop them up. Pull down (Halle Berry = is just black woman, like me) and prop up (See! Halle Berry is BEAUTIFUL and BLACK, like me!!)

Wash for hogs, I say.

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Note: This is a very US-centric response...

As a child, I was taught that being called "black" is more than just describing racial heritage, it is rather a nod to a shared American experience that only the children of slaves and their decendants could truly understand.

Just pull up any family album of any Black American family in the United States and you will find a vertiable map of the "mixed ancestry" found within the Black community.

And, that's precisely the point, if you've been taught the way I have: whether you've a black mother and a white father, or whether your gradmother fits that description -- we are all "black"; one community.

I think this is where the disconnect occurs. From my experience, no one has been trying to "hijack" those who identify as biracial, rather "include".

I must note that when I lived in other places around the world, this was considered ridiculous and my racial identity varied according to that particular county's cultural history and "racial notions".

That said, if I had a child with someone non-Black, I would raise her as "black", while also letting her father impress upon her his background as well.

In my opinion, it's not that hard. If you asked me what race my child was, I would say, "black". When you ask my daughter, she might say something different. Most of the people I know in my age-range(under 30) don't have a hard time doing this.

I have to add, though, that I find it a tad disingenous when people choose to highlight someone being "NOT BLACK" rather than "...AND BLACK".

It think part of the problem black people have with interracial people is the priveledge and the fact that some did own slaves, and to this day the BC judge all black woman on how close to white they are. It also is behind the phenomenom of some black women hating that black men are dating non-white woman. As to the point about Haiti, you are right. Please read black history and you know what she is talking about. In the Caribean nearly only the lightest of blacks or mixed people are put into power -its because of priveldge. THe multi racials (like the house niggas) thought them selves better than the dark or non mixed blacks. They only joined the fight to free Haiti because the french would not recognize them as white. THe divide and conquer thing has gone on since we all came to the new world. Many people see the multi racial movement as an extension of that same struggle. Also the multiracials negotiated the treaty after Haiti won its independence. The multiracials allowed the forced repayment (by mostly unmixed dark blacks) of money for the war and for the payment of the french's lost slaves. Haiti is the only country in the world that won the war and had to still pay reparations becuase its multi racial people could not be trusted. Check the theory on the tragic mullato.

In America we have not had that much of a difference in the light versus dark arena, and all across latin america (or dare I say, spanish speaking blacks that live in south america and the caribean) you see the same thing. Cuba was one of the worst places for dark skin people, many of them came here before Castro took power. The "so called" white cubans kept thme in dame near slavery, and Castro equalized things. This is the real reason the cubans in AMerica hate them. He took away their light skin priveledge.

Unfortunately the history is such that it hard to trust this movement, because there have been no good multi racial/ biracial movements in the past.

To Lynn: I am a black woman so yes, I DO think I know a thing or two about myself.
Just wanted to clear that up :)

AND??? Are you an AA bw? If not then STFU. I don't think you're American because you said you were a foreigner.

Why don't you share you're ethnic makeup so we can all comment on your people's mental state?

" Politics, demographic changes, and economic influences will play a role in how people are identified. "

So true.

Below is a MUST read and EYE OPENING study. This one is a serious trip ya'll!

Sociologist links poverty and employment to racial identity

http://uci.edu/2009/01/feature_racestudy_090105.php

Losing your job or doing jail time can affect how people perceive your racial background, according to a recent study co-authored by Andrew Penner, UC Irvine sociology assistant professor. His research shows people who were identified by others as white were significantly less likely to be seen in the same way over time if they had fallen below the poverty line or spent time in prison. Participants who self-identified as white also were less likely to see themselves the same way if they encountered those hardships. The study suggests that racial identity is fluid and changes with one's position in society. Penner discussed the impact of his research and why race still matters.
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Andrew Penner study
Q: Can you talk about how you came up with the idea for this study and how you went about investigating it?
A: There is a lot of work showing that race has important implications for inequality, so we were interested in looking at whether the opposite also could be true. That is, can social status influence how people racially identify and are racially perceived? We looked at survey data collected by the Bureau of Labor Statistics that followed more than 12,000 Americans over time to track changes in how they described themselves racially and how others saw them as they went through various life experiences.

Q: Based on your research, can you explain how a person's race changes over time?
A: We looked specifically at incarceration, unemployment and poverty, and we found that these factors play a role in how people racially categorize themselves and others. For example, if we look at people who were viewed by the interviewer as white last year, 10 percent are no longer viewed as white if they are in prison, while only 4 percent are no longer white if they aren't in prison.

Q: What surprised you most about your findings?
A: The widespread pattern of our results was surprising. Many people assume that our findings apply only to people who don't fit readily into racial categories, such as those who are multiracial. But we found that roughly 20 percent of the population experiences at least one change in how they are seen by others, which is much higher than you would expect if this were true only for multiracial people. What we actually found is that once we removed all of the multiracial people from the sample, we still got the same pattern of results. The same thing is true for Hispanics; many people assume that we got this pattern of results because people are not sure how to classify Hispanics, but when we looked only at non-Hispanics, the same pattern emerged. This suggests our results say something more general about definitions and perceptions of race in the U.S.

Q: It is fascinating to see that people change opinions about their own racial status over time. Did study participants get a chance to explain why they changed their racial identification?
A: No, unfortunately people did not have a chance to do this, so we don't really know what was going on inside their heads. I suspect that the patterns we found for how the respondents were viewed by others were largely unconscious. And it seems reasonable to expect that if everyone else views you a certain way, over time that influences how you see yourself too.

Q: What implications do these findings have for how we might think about race?
A: I think that the big implication of our research is that race is not a characteristic fixed at birth. That is, socially speaking, no one is black, white, Asian or Latino. We are perceived by others and identify ourselves based on life experiences and widely held stereotypes about how people should or do behave.

Thanks for the post.

I can honestly say, I'm BLACK, and no one will ever see me differently--Lol! (Though I've had some people question whether I have non-black blood. I LOOK BLACK Y'ALL. FOR REAL. SERENA WILLIAMS BLACK...OKAY! :) )

This research does not surprise me. I read a book by Thomas Sowell, several years ago. And, I remember him discussing how/why the concept of "race"/"blackness" differs between black Americans and Hispanics. In Latin America, race has been influenced by economic status FOR MANY YEARS--well over a century, at the very least. He quoted a record of a person who said that some man was "Mulatto", but now (because of his economic fortune) he's "White". So, "race-switching" is nothing new. It just wasn't allowed in the US, because the whites who enslaved in this country had a much "purer"/"non-mixed" definition of white. But, the social environments for whites differed for South America and North America. Now that things are changing for whites in the US, they are following the patterns/practices of whites in other societies from many years ago. It's nothing new. It's just new for US (HISTORICAL US citizens, not recent immigrants). That's why I will not close my eyes to the political factors stimulating this movement for the reclassification of black Americans. IT TRULY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. That's my problem. We don't exist for you to use, flip around, and reposition for your convenience at the time. Some blacks don't see it that way. I DO.

Good articles dealing with the subject matter of identity...

Basically, looks and how one is perceived by those in power ( in the Western cultures white people ) is what determines how a person with mixed heritage is perceived and treated. Those who are eyeballed as black ( brown skin, kinky hair, full non keen features, etc... ) will be considered and treated black. Those who have ambiguous appearances will be taken as either "ethnic" whites ( Mediterians ), Hispanic ( many of whom have obvious African and/or Indian ancestry ), Indians, etc... , and those how have straight up white appearances ( pale skin, straight/curly hair, light eyes, caucasian features ) will be considered and treated as white. After all, at this stage they are no different than 1/3 rd of all white Americans who have distant African ancestry ( that is often unknown ) that is only detectable by genetic test.

So... Just like new world African-American blacks are historically and genetically mixed the same is true of European-American whites. And the more whites come out of the closet about this the better.

I don't want to ramble on so I'll share some articles that I think may be of interests to some...

This is a great discussion and like I've mentioned before, in the end regardless of how we decide to raise our children (including African-American self-identified folks married to each other), upon adulthood our children will determine for themselves ( based on their appearances, there experiences in society, and what makes sense to them ) legally and socially "what" and who they are.

Whether that identity is biracial, black, white, or something else.

New world people are not pure anymore so "black", "white", etc… are of a social and political construct and science has nothing to do with it. It's not written in stone but is flexible depending on the circumstances (looks and one's life experience based on those looks).

The Rate of Black-to-White "Passing"

http://backintyme.com/essays/item/8

( The below statement is why I know that regardless of how we raise our children upon adulthood they will do what makes sense to them. Both parents in an interracial OR even a marriage consisting of TWO black/African-American self-identifed people can promote a black identity to their offspring and the children still may upon adulthood identify themselves publicly and legally contrary to the way they've been raised to identify themselves. )

There are NO guarantees in life about anything. We all just have to do the best we can as parents and love our children.

" Nowadays (as of the 2000 census), between 35,000 and 50,000 young adults every year, who previously were identified by their parents as Black, switch to identifying themselves publicly as White or Hispanic. The number has fallen and risen more or less in step with the intermarriage rate over the decades and it is higher today than during Jim Crow, when switching your endogamous group membership was considered criminal fraud.

Two popular actresses with known African ancestry on their mothers sides who illustrate the point that looks matter when it comes to racial identity and life experiences.

Mother American Opera singer Maria Ewing

http://gramilano.com/2011/01/maria-ewing-returns-to-the-stage-in-la-voix-humaine/

Daughter American/English Actress Rebecca Hall who in spite of having a partially African-American mother from Detroit ( who I'm almost sure would be eyeballed as and treated as a light-skinned black woman considering her strong African features ) considers herself and is considered white.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jun/12/rebecca-hall-interview

" It's funny how her characters seem so removed from the world in which she grew up. Sir Peter Hall, her father, is the theatre director who started the Royal Shakespeare Company, her mother the opera soprano Maria Ewing. By the time she was five, they had separated. Back then, her father was always getting married and divorced, and it was time to move on to wife number four; Ewing became, and remained, a single mother.

Hall, now 28, says she doesn't understand why everybody always wants to talk about her dad. It was her mum who was her primary carer, whose achievements were the more amazing, of whom she was in awe. "Her story is insane," Hall says. "She came from working-class Detroit, no education so to speak, had a freakily large voice, won a bunch of competitions, ran off at 18, and by 23 she was an international opera singer." Ewing is a one-woman cauldron of cultures. "Her mother was Dutch, her father half Native American Sioux Indian and half black of some unknown origin."

Does Hall identify herself as black? She bursts out laughing, and when she does her features scrunch into a lovely, messy abstract. "Heeeheee. It is quite funny. No, you could not get more white and middle class and English than me."

Hailee Steinfeld and family ( Mother is of white/black/asian ancestry )…

These comments show progress in that people are acknowledging that she is genetically part of these various communities. She's a mixture and doesn't have to choose one side over the other.

Again, this is because in spite of having distant and acknowledged black ancestry, because she doesn't have a black appearance people realize it would be ridiculous to consider this young woman purely black/African-American. Yes, it's a part of who she is, but it does not supersede and/or cancel out her Jewish and Asian ancestry.

This is progress.

http://www.thedailytruffle.com/2011/03/pierre-jouet-women-in-film-hailee-steinfeld/

http://www.asianjournal.com/aj-magazine/midweek-mgzn/8541-rising-fil-am-hollywood-star-hailee-steinfeld.html

" The 14-year-old part Filipino actress from Thousand Oaks star is rising; bursting out of the Hollywood scene after her stand out role in the Coen Brothers’ Western adaptation of the movie True Grit. "

http://articles.boston.com/2011-02-20/ae/29347455_1_oscar-specials-hattie-mcdaniel-black-actors

" The mother of supporting-actress nominee Hailee Steinfeld, from “True Grit,’’ is part African-American. But one of those Henry Louis Gates ancestry specials might be required to clear that up. "

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7768/is_20110127/ai_n56926061/

" Hailee Steinfeld, who has a Jewish father, was nominated in the Best Supporting Actress category. She played the 14-year-old hero of True Grit, which garnered 10 nominations. "

You raise good points. For me, personally, I want my children to embrace their ENTIRE heritage (ethnic, linguistic, etc.). But, honestly, on the census, I want them identified as "black". (Lol!) I, too, have realized that my children will have to choose their own identity, when they become adults. And, I accept that. I will respect their choice. I can accept people with a non-black parent choosing to identify as "biracial", but in my heart I will always view them as American Negroes. Politics, demographic changes, and economic influences will play a role in how people are identified. But, I always remember the history of my people, and I will not allow that to be erased in my mind or the minds of my children. In the end, it is true, they will decide for themselves.

That is exactly what I meant by encouraging any half-Black children I may have to identify as Black.

I KNOW.

OF COURSE you want your children to know, love, identify with, and embrace the heritage of their father. If you didn't want them to have an alternative, why would you even GIVE them a non-black father? And, why would you visit/support sites such as this?

Sometimes, the reason people don't understand is because they don't want to.

I totally agree with that. I must admit, I'm getting pretty steamed up with these FOREIGNERS (i.e. Observer ?dude? and this Nckosasana chick) weighing in, not acknowledging, and dismissing our concerns as American bw. I mean, how obnoxious is that?

I'm about ready to go Khadija-style :-)and write a whole another LONG comment just about these foreigners.

If you don't live in the US, kindly refrain from passing judgement on the bw who do. For those non-black men who have procreated with a Black woman, that still does not give you the right to pass judgement on bw. Then run off to your safe 'havens' of priviledge. People like Observer coming on here, dismissing everything, and then calling bw with a dissenting point of view 'insecure', implying we're racist, etc. is HIGHLY offensive to me.

Bw, no matter what your position is on biracial identity, you ALL should be offended by these two. FOREIGNERS coming onto a blog dominated by AMERICAN bw dealing with American issues and trying to put a 'virtual' boot on our necks is crazy. Hell no!

To Lynn:

HAHAHA!!!

GIRL, Hi-five on that one! :)

I LOVE Khadija!!!

In that post I referenced above, where she discussed the cost/benefit analysis for black Americans considering passing as white, she asked all blacks who were of foreign origin/not of "American Negro" (for my lack of a better term) descent to refrain from the conversation.

Just because we are both "black" does not mean we are the same. Just because we look similar does not mean we are the same. REALITY CHECK: Nigerian people have a Nigerian bloodline and a Nigerian history that exists SEPARATE from any other people in the world. South Africans are mixed. But, they are mixed with the bloodlines that existed in their particular area. Just because a black American may look like a Nigerian or a South African (I have been told that I look like both, as well as a Kenyan, a Tanzanian, a Ghanaian, a Somalian, a Jamaican, a Haitian, a Dominican, a "what are you?" [lol!], the list goes on) does not mean that they are the same people. Black Americans are the product of a mixture of African ethnic groups who may not have mixed together while on their own continent. We are also mixed with European, Native American, Chinese, the list goes on. What is consistent? In the United States we were all (at the same time) classified as "Negroes"/"coloreds"/"whatever".

It MAKES SENSE to me that a Nigerian would consider their child with a non-Nigerian a "bi(racial)-Nigerian". It makes sense to me that an Indian would consider their child with a non-Indian a "bi(racial)-Indian" (but truly, Indians would consider them NON-Indian, especially if the other parent is BLACK). But, it also MAKES SENSE when a black American has a child with a non-black that they would be viewed as a black-American BECAUSE THAT IS THE HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY. I don't agree with many practices in Africa. I don't agree with many practices in Asia. I don't agree with many practices in Latin America. But, I DON'T DARE presume to have the authority to go inside their communities and dictate to them their choices, activities, and flow of discussion about issues pertaining TO THEM. RUN/worry about YOUR society, and let me RUN/worry about MINE.

@Formavitae

As Khadija would say/do:
Deep martial bow to you, girlfriend!

This is a prime example for some of the other bw on this forum to show their ethnic pride on being an AA and start policing BWE boundaries. Khadija and Faith are awesome about that.

Lynn,

Curtsy to you!

All of this just illustrates the way others believe that black Americans have to submit to their ideas, preferences, and wishes. We black American women are buffeted from without and within. We have to stand and affirm OUR OWN RIGHTS, or these "others" will take them away (and are OBVIOUSLY working to do so).

Lynn, I have not and would never judge anyone here.
I've visited these blogs since 2006 so I have seen the BWE movement grow.
I clearly stated earlier that I understand that it would benefit African Americans if biracial (black&white) people identified as African American, just like it would benefit you if foreign Africans identified as African American (in America) due to the numbers and having political power.
What I (yet again) said was that in the future (just like in the UK) more and more biracial people will I.D as biracial and there will be nothing you or anyone else can do about that. Like you said, it has already started happening.
I support you and others like you 100%. If you want to raise your biracial child as black, good for you.
What *I* said was that a better, smarter, move would be to have your biracial children I.D as biracial to better prepare them for the future (look to the UK for your future).
Even Khadija mentioned that in her blog.
The UK is a good place to look to see the future, something like 50 or 60% of black men (with black women not too far behind) in the UK are married to none black women. I recently read that there are more biracial children than black children in the UK. So black people are (or will soon be) outnumbered by biracial people who I.D as biracial.
And here is something that you should know; regardless whether you I.D your child as black or not, he or she will STILL get more privilege than you so it really doesn't matter what you say about it because white privilege will always treat those who are closer to white better.
I think you and others like you, deep down know this which is why you want your biracial children to identify as black because you don't want (like someone else said earlier) another group of people "above you".
Which is why I agree with something Neecy once said and that is that some black women should just stick to black men and have black babies because you need to understand that only two black parents can make a black baby.
And not all of us "foreigners" are your enemies, that paranoia won't get you anywhere.
What I and other foreigners have said here isn't anything new, in fact, it's something some of your intelligent African American sisters have been saying for years.
As for you, Lynn, I know some of you see Khadija as some kind of God and she's been right about a lot, everything in fact, except this one bit because she couldn't explain this one thing: She wanted biracial people to I.D as black or African American on the census and politically, but didn't want biracial actresses and models to take jobs from African American fully black actresses and /models/entertainers....You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You can't just cherry pick whenever it suits you. Either you accept them as black 100% or you don't.

I think you and others like you, deep down know this which is why you want your biracial children to identify as black because you don't want (like someone else said earlier) another group of people "above you". Which is why I agree with something Neecy once said and that is that some black women should just stick to black men and have black babies because you need to understand that only two black parents can make a black baby.

If I knew where you were, I'd kiss you smack on the mouth.

@Observer

Man, you sure put your foot in your a$$.

Observer: I think you and others like you, deep down know this which is why you want your biracial children to identify as black because you don’t want (like someone else said earlier) another group of people “above you”.

Observer: Honestly, some of you guys seem to have some personal issues with whiteness and your insecurities with biracial people is very obvious.

Are you serious? Or is this a joke? You really feel like you have a right to say the above? Your REALLY don't feel that maybe it's not your place to say those things? Unbelievable. I don't want to even talk about the rest of your f&%d up comments.

Observer, if you are a white guy, do you go up to Asian people whose eyes are round and say: “Why did you get the surgery to change the shape of your eyes, I think you're insecure for doing that!”

If you're an Asian guy do you go up to a ww who has died her hair blonde and has 4 inches of black roots showing and say: “Why do you dye your hair blonde. I think you're insecure for doing that!”

Sounds ridiculous, huh? Yet you feel absolutely comfortable coming onto an American bw's blog, totally dismiss our valid concerns with an issue, question some of the bw's opinions, dictate to us what we 'should' be doing, and then on top of it all pronounce your 'psychoanalysis' of bw? Have you ever even lived in this country? Have you read any in depth Black History/cultural analysis books? Did you even read formavitae's excellent historical account on how the definition of the Black race has played out in this country? I mean, how much do you know about bw, and the BC, aside from your own procreating relations with ?maybe? One bw?

Observer, from reading some of your other comments, I THINK you're an am. Since you feel so free to psychoanalysize bw, I'm going to the same to am. How come am are not:
1. lobbying Hollywood about the stereotypical roles Hollywood assigns them
2. Acknowledging the fact that about 48% of aw marry outside the race. I mean something is going on there that's causing such a HUGE rejection of am by aw
3. Making a big stink about the numbers of wm who state they are the better choice for aw because they treat them better?

I have all the answers! It's because am are insecure and deep down inside they know the wm is the better choice all around! Am actually feel an aw has 'married up' if she marries any white man. They're totally fine with being second (wait a minute..... that's the bm!) third (wait....that's hm!) I mean, fourth choice! That makes perfect sense. That's also why they push themselves to excel in school so much. It's not because they have a culture that values education, it's because they feel inadequate to the wm and this is how they compensate.

How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot? How does it feel to have someone who has virtually no in depth knowledge of your history or cultural practices make blanket statements about the mentality of am?

You sir, are awarded the title: MOST IGNORANT person of the day. You're crazy if you think I'm going to entertain your foolishness.

(I apologize if I have offended anyone, except Observer. I personally do not believe those things. I'm trying to make a point)

To Observer and Lynn:

I understand each of your perspectives.

I concede the following points:

SOME blacks are jealous of biracials.

SOME biracials think they are superior to blacks/nonbiracials.

Having parents from two different backgrounds is not the same as having parents from the same background.

EVERYONE has the right to select their own identification.

Now, let me say the following. I am not jealous of biracials. I do not consider myself superior or inferior to them. I have no problems with light skin/dark skin, "good" hair/"bad" hair, light eyes/dark eyes. I have no problems with being black.

I have always been an open-minded person and dated men of the global village, from the very beginning of my dating experiences. As a matter of fact, the majority of men I've dated have been NON black American. Before, my interest in non-BM was just open-mindedness. Now, I INSIST on marrying a non-BM, because I am disappointed with the state of BM and black America. I want my children to be socialized differently, to behave differently, and to think differently.

That being acknowledged, I still care about my people. The reality is that if you are an educated person with good habits, good economics/resources, good circles of peers, and WISDOM, you can pretty much have a good quality of life and experience in the US. Many black Americans are going to suffer/go down because of poor choices and habits rather than blackness. However, they still retain a measure of political interest in this society, whether they realize it or not. (Sometimes, I feel like things are politically pointless.)

When I look around me, I see many blacks (understand that I'm talking STRICTLY about black Americans here on out) stuck in cycles of poverty and poor decision-making. However, I ALSO other blacks who work regularly (even if the jobs are low-wage), have families (married, but frequently not), assist others in their population and outside of it, and are/try to be good people. I see my parents who worked hard to provide me with a private education, excellent opportunities, and good values. In my mind, I can still see my grandparents who were hard-working, industrious, and God-fearing. And, I never forget my other ancestors who struggled and died so that I can have a better quality of life.

So, when I make decisions, I think about the impacts they have on my population who my ancestors SO DEEPLY cared and sacrificed for. WHY would I want to see the political gains my ancestors died for dissipate? WHY would I want to see my community relegated to a powerless and dismal existence that may even be WORSE than slavery because they will never be free? WHY would I push them down the stairs, cause them to break their legs, then blame them for not being able to climb?

Because I interact with a wide variety of individuals (and am very observant), I see how they operate. Many people from other societies who come to the US may marry and breed with US citizens/different people, but they STILL look out for the interests of their home communities. They try to offer as much economic and political support to their home communities as they reasonably can. (I'm not encouraging black women to try to rescue their communities. I'm trying to make a point.) Despite their new lives and directions, they see no need to create damage to their home populations, EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE with the governance, social structure, etc. Why is it okay for them to function in that manner when choosing differently but not for blacks to function in that manner? I don't think it's necessary for blacks to do things against the political interests of their own, just to be progressive, free of the black community nonsense, etc. And, blacks having concerns about their home communities does not equal "fear" of biracials bringing them down, etc. (I don't know how biracials can be considered a new "layer" when they've already existed for centuries.) Not all people are going to share the same views or make the same choices. But, to accuse blacks of "hijacking" or feeling inferior when they do WHAT SO MANY OTHERS DO by taking into consideration the interests of their home communities is unfair and a further promotion of the idea of the inequality of blacks' rights to self-determination and choice.

If blacks and their biracial children choose to split ranks/categories, let it be their own INDEPENDENT decision.

You are just so wrong. If bi-racial people in America, got treated better, they would have their own separate racial identity in America.

There would be a clear delineation between bi-racial and black people. There isn't.

Bi-racial people are black. They are treated as if they are black. They aren't any richer, they aren't anymore "accepted". They don't have any real advantages, because they aren't considered white.

Being considered closer to white might get them treated better by certain individuals, but as far as American society is concerned they are black, and are treated as black people, and it doesn't matter how they personally identify.

Take a look at Tiger Woods, when people made racial comments to him, they weren't about his Asian or white heritages, they were about black people.

When golf magazines wrote about T. Woods, they didn't say there goes a multi-racial man about to win. They specifically Id him as a black man.

There is no getting around this reality. In America, bi-racial people who look black and have one black parent ARE black.
There is no choice involved. It doesn't matter how bi-racial feel, black people feel or black women or how individual white men or white women feel.

So all of these words about how people feel or don't feel are irrelevant.

because you need to understand that only two black parents can make a black baby.

Then I would wager that not many people would be considered "black" in the United States, and even less so in other nations in the Western Hemisphere.

Hailee Steinfeld does not have African American or black ancestry.
She put an end to that rumor pretty quickly and said something like "I don't know where that rumor came from".

Yes, Ms. Hall is an bw. However, no more surgery for Ms. Hall, scary.

Look, no offense a., but an extremely small percentage of ww having bi-racial children from black men, changes nothing.

You all have to start dealing with reality.

Bi-racial children aren't going to be considered anything other than black as long as white supremacist thinking dominates the world.

Imagine if black Americans en-mass started saying we aren't just black, but are in fact multi-racial. Imagine if individual black American's started saying I am not a black person, but a multi-racial person based on their real family heritage.

Do you think it would make one bit of difference as to how black Americans are identified?

It is in fact a reality that virtually all black Americans have a multi-racial genealogy. So it is not a lie for us to say we are multi-racial and not just black. It is the truth.

Despite all of that is there any way on this earth that's dominated by this sick racial ideology that black people aren't classified as black? Of course not.

Bi-racial people have the same issue. There is no getting around this and focusing on what a small percentage of ww think doesn't matter.

So your solution is to raise biracial children as black?

You aren't looking at it correctly. Ask yourself, so is the solution to raise those categorized as black children as black children?

Cause that's the question that those who are bi-racial with one black parent and who look black are dealing with. In this societies eyes, they ARE black.

Again, black people nor bi-racial people with one black parent CHOOSE to be any race. This racial identity is FORCED on all us.

So the question you are asking is literally the same as me asking are my children which have two "black" parents should be raised as black.

What other choice is there?

Bi-racial people who have one black parent and who look black ARE black. Do you get it?

There is no getting around this. Just like all other black Americans can't get out of being considered black just because they have a multi-racial background, those who have one black parent and who look black can't get out of it either.

You are literally asking can person defined as black not be considered black. Not in a society dominated by a white supremacist ideology.

That is why focusing on the what is wrong with black people gets no where.

"There may be some women here who never thought through the full ramifications of raising biracial children and they may think about it more."

At this university there are two females who are bi-racial and one or both of them seem to be having ethincity issues.

When my son was younger strangers would ask about his father's racial background. That question can become tiresome. Why should I have to explain my son's ethincity to a total stranger?

LOL, I think this one older lady thought I might have kidnapped my son because he was crying for some reason and I was not attending to his crying issue. Something he wanted in the store... I believe and I became annoyed with him. Yes, you and your child will sometimes receive unwanted attention.

Umm, y'all can keep Tom Sizemore. That's one I don't really want to claim. LoL. Love him as an actor, and I think he's brilliant. I just wish he would get himself together. He's thrown his talent away for trivial things like stealing phones from Verizon and drugs!

On a light note: when I first read the title, I imagined a skit where Dave Chappelle is on an airplane hijacking biracial folks for his "racial draft."

Lynn and iamme73, I cosign with alot of what you've written in your posts. Like I said upstream, I have no need or desire to claim biracial people (black/white mix, specifically)as black and I respect a biracial person's choice to decide how they wish to be identified. However, I understand the political and historical reasons why SOME black people do want to claim them and I believe for the reasons stated by me and Lynn and some others upstream why those attempts may have some validity.

As I stated before, we live in America; it has a sordid, ugly racist past. And, although, we as Black people have made enormous strides, the subtlities of white supremacy exist and are deeply ingrained in this society and other places where enslavement and colonialism existed. THAT. IS. A. REALITY. So, if you choose to call yourself a martian it will not change the fact that American society will treat you like a black person if you even look remotely black. Period.

Arguing that other black children will make fun of your little biracial baby does not negate or render obselete that history or that reality. It is IMO, delusional. It is akin to overweight black women telling themselves that they are "thick" or "curvy", becasue they'd rather not deal with the reality of being obese and unhealthy and do the necessary work to chnage. Because, trust little white children will also make fun of your little biracial baby, too. So that arguement, IMO is neither here nor there and still does not address the overarching nuanced reality that when your little biracial baby starts to reach the age where self-identity becomes paramount, if he or she looks a bit too brown by WHITE people's standards he or she will be treated like a black person. THAT IS REALITY...and a nasty one. How do you prepare them for that nasty does of reality?

I really think the movie "Skin" with Sophie Okonedo is instructive to this cnversation. It is about a white couple in 1950's South Africa who, unaware of their black ancestry have a child that looks mixed. Her skin is a light brown, her hair is curly and her features are rounder and softer, belying her African genes. Her father wants her to be classified as white under the system of Aparthied, beacuse that is waht is most beneficial to his daughter and he goes all the way the the SA Supreme Court to have her classifed legally as such. However, white South African society treats her by the way they PERCIEVE her and they PERCEIVE her as NOT white, but BLACK and they TREAT her as such, mosty beacuase they have the POWER to do so. The story, which I believe is based on a actual events, is riveting in its depiction of how this woman had to find her way in a racist country, amongst whites and blacks(to a lesser extent though) that strictly enforced rules of engagement based on how one looks.

How each BW decides how to raise her children is her choice. How a biracial person decides to identify is their choice. I respect that. So, I would hope that my choice to ensure that my children, whose father may be white, are knowledgeble and proud of the side of their heritage that is Black, Jamaican, African, would be respected as well.

Here's some of my personal reasons for encouraging any mixed children I MAY have to identify as Black.

1. EVERYONE else will be emphasizing and reaffirming their White heritage and the more subtle superiority they believe it inherently comes with. That's what the dominant society does. Most of the time it's at the expense of Black culture That's why there's no need for a White History Heritage month. It's crammed down our throats every day. Heck, most Black people act in ways (both subtle or overt) to reaffirm White culture's dominance.

More than likely I will be of a few conduits for my children to have positive associations with their Black heritage. I'm not going to concentrate 50% of my efforts into reaffirming dominant White culture. That would not be an effective use of my time and as they older limited influence. To me that's just stupid. People here are deluding themselves if they don't acknowledge dominant White Culture is based in large part of their superiority complexes compared to other races. In other words, it's to the expense of Black culture. This to me is my reason to encourage my children to see themselves as proud Black people who have a white father.

2. Like I mentioned before, it's to my own benefit to keep the AA population as large as possible for as long as possible. I'm not going to assist in AAs becoming a permanent underclass in the United States. I may want to return here someday and I like to keep my options open. Again, people are deluding themselves and don't want to face the truth that AAs will become marginalized as our numbers go down. In fact it's already happening.

3. More than likely my children will be visibley Black and not able to 'pass'. The truth in the US is that most mixed people who have visible Black heritage will be categorized and treated as Black. You're deluding yourselves if you believe otherwise. I would want my child to be comfortable with a Black identity to interact smoothly with the rest of society. Of course I know there are growing numbers of biracials demanding acknowledgement, but I don't see a shift in this thinking by the dominant society. I do see some acknowledgement of other biracials being perceived as biracials (i.e. half Asians), but most people still classify race visually, and if you are visibly Black that is what you are to them.

I think in nuances, so I don't understand the binary thinking most people are showing in their comments. People are saying that mixed people identifying as Black are denying their fathers heritage. That's just stupid to me. When Jewish women marry outside their race/religion the children are considered Jewish until they decide otherwise. I see our situation very similiar. Jewish people aren't going around disparaging these women for 'denying' the heritage of their children's father. Maybe Jewish people are so successful in getting their political concerns met is because they don't waste time fracturing their society into 'segments' but present a united front? Something to think about.

Anyway, like I said any Black children I have will not deny their father's heritage. I date White guys who have the same mindset as myself. We tend to see the world in the same way. For instance, my Irish boyfriend acknowledges Black people are at a disadvantage in the US. He has no problem having his mixed kids identify as Black. Why should he? He knows he's there's a high probability that he is going to marry a Black womean.

Either way, I'm cool with how every person on this site will bring up their kids. You should afford me and others who think differently the same respect. When people get insulting, and emotional in their posts, I know there are more issues going on inside them that they need to deal with. It rolls off my back because I've made peace with my choices, so I don't have to disparage anyone else's choices that may be different than mine. BWE is not a cookie cutter way of life for every bw!

Lynn, you can't save the black community when 50% of it's members aren't interested in saving it.
And I know you didn't say that but indirectly you did when you made your second point which I know you got from Khadija's blog.
I understand what she meant by it, politically you want your numbers to be higher but don't you think it's too late for that? Black men aren't interested in saving the black community and are marrying none black women and the children from these couples tend to identify with the mother's race more and more, at least it seems that way in the UK.
I admire your dedication but really, the party is over and everyone has left. You stand alone, it's time to move on and build other communities....I am always amazed at how some women just won't let go, i admire that strength, but for your own good, just stop and move on.
If you don't want to be a permanent underclass, move on and join another community. Save yourself like everyone else does.
The majority will most likely remain a permanent underclass with or without your "help" (if you think drumbeating it into your kids to be proud of their AA history and identify as such will help).
Just teach your kids how to be productive members of your society, and yes, of course you should teach them about AA history but don't overdo it or it might have the opposite effect...

Sweetie, what makes you think I'm not already on the path to saving myself? Believe me, I am. Once I get a couple more IT certifications that are internationally recognized, I'm on my way outta the US! This does take some time and everyday I work on it. I'm working on it right now. My house is sold, my business is sold (it was a franchise) and I'm counting down the months!

I'm not heavily invested in how other women raise their kids, provided they become productive members of society. I do feel it is too my benefit to spill a little 'virtual ink' on this subject. There may be some women here who never thought through the full ramifications of raising biracial children and they may think about it more. Again, to me it's worth it to talk about it. You may think I'm wasting time, but I don't. I pay attention to this blog in spurts as time allows, because to me most of the conversations are merry go-rounds, and someone eventually 'goes off' which halts everything. I do like to hear about bw who are in happy marriages with non-bm.

I also hope to encourage younger bw to look internationally. If I can do this at 36, how much easier I could have done this at 25! I'm aprehensive, because it's the unknown, but I hope to encourage other bw/bgs to jump ship. You can do it!

Also, your comment makes little sense about me wanting to save the BC--when all I do is talk about how I'm leaving it.

I was answering your comment...this one...

"2. Like I mentioned before, it’s to my own benefit to keep the AA population as large as possible for as long as possible. I’m not going to assist in AAs becoming a permanent underclass in the United States. I may want to return here someday and I like to keep my options open. Again, people are deluding themselves and don’t want to face the truth that AAs will become marginalized as our numbers go down. In fact it’s already happening."

...and I was saying how I think there is little you can do to save the black community by keeping the AA population 'as large as possible'. I think it's too late for that.

@ Observer

That cuts too close as a diversionary tactic to me. Maybe my 'little bit' of what I can do is not enough for you, but it's enough for me.

Observer: …and I was saying how I think there is little you can do to save the black community by keeping the AA population ‘as large as possible’. I think it’s too late for that.

I'm getting sick and tired of you twisting my words around into a SAVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY campaign. I'm looking out for myself, and my family. Your post above is totally dishonest.

I agree Lynn. I'm in the same situation talking about my future children with my Irish boyfriend. He even said "I imagine us having little mixed black babies." He knows the reality.

Little mixed Black babies....I love it!

I tell my boyfriend I hope they have nappy blonde hair, blue eyes, african lips..... ;-)

Lynn, more and more biracial children are identifying as biracial, not black.
Yes, some might see them as black in America but over here we use the term biracial/mixed a lot, same thing in the UK.
You mentioned politics, I simply said that yes, it would help AA's politically if biracial people identified as AA but the reality is AA men are marrying "Out" more and at a faster rate than AA women and having children with none black women and those women want their children to acknowledge their white or "other" side as well, so the mothers of these children identify their children as both, biracial.
AA women might want their children to only identify as AA but I would personally raise my children as biracial/mixed, prepare them for the global world....and also, when they grow up they might not want to identify as simply AA/black which seems to scare some of you....
Honestly, some of you guys seem to have some personal issues with whiteness and your insecurities with biracial people is very obvious.
I promise, if you raise them right they won't grow up to hate you or their black side. ;)

Observer: Honestly, some of you guys seem to have some personal issues with whiteness and your insecurities with biracial people is very obvious.

Another tired a$$ diversionary tactic. Now your attempting to twist my statements about AAs losing political, economic, and social power into being 'insecure' of biracials.

I swear, for someone who writes pseudo-intelligent comments, your reading comprehension sure goes down when you're reading others. What is so hard to comprehend about AAs' having natural concern about self and their kinfolk? Or, do you not believe AAs should have natural concerns like that when EVERYONE else does?

I don't know what country you live in, but it must be the only country in the world's history that has ALWAYS respected each individual's basic human rights and dignity--oh wait there is no country on Earth like that.

So, I don't know what world you live on where the above happens, but on EARTH it has never gone down like that in the history of mankind's civilization. So, I call bullsh-t on your above comments.

"Heck, most Black people act in ways (both subtle or overt) to reaffirm White culture’s dominance."

May I add other cultures of black people. Too many of us desire "whiteness" over own skin tone.
Brown, mid-brown, dark, olive, red and yellowish skin tones are also beautiful.

Love the skin you are in.

I just don't understand some of these posters.

The problem that bi-racial people have with racial identity is that this society sees them as black and they and their parents know this.

Yet instead of dealing with this societal bs surrounding race, which forces bi racial people to be black, many blame black people and focus on what black people think about blah, blah, blah. None of that matters.

Black people can't force biracial people to be black. In fact, the vast majority of American black people as a group are multi-racial as well. We aren't your problem. White supremacist thinking is your problem. There is no getting around this.

This whole bi-racial people aren't black thing is silly and faces a huge up hill battle.

Think about this what if black Americans almost all of whom aren't 100% black went on a campaign to get re-categorized as not black, but multiracial. We aren't just black, we all could say, we are multiracial. We could say only Africans are 100% black. We need our own category to recognize our whole family tree.

How well do you think it would go over? What if black Americans started saying, I don't consider myself just black, but multi-racial?

Does anyone think it would matter? Would people not still see black people as black despite the reality that most black Americans are indeed multiracial in heritage?

Bi-racial people face the exact same obstacle. Again your problem is not black Americans. I know many bi-racial people and their parents are p/o that they are seen and treated as other black Americans, but focusing your ire at black Americans won't solve your problem.

Excellent point!

I totally co-sign. People getting emotional over this are just projecting their anger at dominant society not bending to their wishes. They're projecting their anger at a safer target--other bw.

Kinda similiar to what some bm do, huh?

Some of you ladies might as well rage at men who are attracted to slender women, men who are attracted to younger women, taller people on average make more money than shorter people, the list can go on and on....

Either way, rage at the dominant society for cataloging your biracial children as Black and not us. They are the ones with major influence,,,,

"Either way, rage at the dominant society for cataloging your biracial children as Black and not us. They are the ones with major influence."

IMO, that will change since more ww are keeping their bi-racial children.

The polar ice caps are going to 'change'. The stars' heavenly patterns are going to 'change'. AND?

I'm a realist and I deal in the world we live in now. Currently, numerically speaking the percentage of ww or any other racial group bearing half-black children are so small that they are having little impact on the biracial discourse. Some ww (Obama's mom, anyone) are fine with their children identifying as Black like mono-racial Black folks. So the extremely small percentage of ww who are raising a stink about their bi-racial children is even smaller.

End the end, I don't care about your and other's biracial campaign. Good luck with the rest of society signing off on that. Maybe everyone on here that have 'biracial' children should concentrate on the majority of people in society who refuse to give you a biracial label. Leave the rest of the bw here who are having Black children with non-bm alone and respect our wishes.

Which leads to an explanation for why black folks want to claim anybody who’s got 1/1000th of black in them, especially if those people have achieved some level of wealth and/or fame. It’s like the black community wants to simultaneously pull down these folks and prop them up. Pull down (Halle Berry = is just black woman, like me) and prop up (See! Halle Berry is BEAUTIFUL and BLACK, like me!!)

Couldn't have said it better myself. I think that this is the primary reason blacks are so desperate to have mixed people claim they're black and nothing else.

But there's also a very, very strange and ignorant belief I've heard far too often, that seems to make black people believe they're genetically superior. They claim that a mixed child is actually black, because the black gene is so STRONG and DOMINANT. It overpowers the white gene, leaving a predominantly black-looking child who's somehow more black than white.

Which is so stupid. As you've mentioned, there are plenty of mixed kids who turn out on the paler/whiter-looking side, and most mixed kids are somewhere in between. Their curls are often looser, their skin lighter, their noses narrower. Their blackness just stands out more because most of America is WHITE and we are so used to thinking of white as normal and everyone else as a deviation from white.

Besides, most black Americans have white blood, so some of us have deluded ourselves into thinking that loose curls and yellow skin are full black traits.

Christelyn I don't believe that parents who call their child mixed or biracial are trying to somehow escape the inferiority of blackness because like BrownCow said either side of your childs background is going to have a negative effect. You can tell your child that there are just black how ever much you like but when u take your kid among other black kids they will point out to your kid that they are in someaspects different and will, just like some white let biracials suffer a bit of inferiority for their black side, some vicious blacks will make your kid suffer for their white lineage. They will be teased, bullied, we've all heard of the pulling out of biracial girls long hair and the like. Some people here want to act like there are only positives to being biracial. The child would be very confused as to why people who they supposedly are suppose to completely fit in with, due to what they learned at home, somehow ridicule them in blunt and quiet ways. Same thing goes for biracials who want to be just white.

By simply saying biracial your acknowledging both sides, rather than burying one or the other. To me it will help to make the child more comfortable with both than to make either the white or black side some kind of dirty secret. Maybe like some white people may associate the black lineage of their child with inferiority maybe some blacks associate the white lineage of their child with oppression and a superiority that threatens to drag them down hence they try to castigate it in much the same way you try to castigate the black lineage.

Like brenda55 said blacks do not want another layer of light skin people pushing us further down the totem pole. Its justifiable due to the racists system in society, but not fair to the child. They didn't create the system.
Biracial to me is just a word to attain equal footing for both in a persons identity.
Anyone who disagrees can talk among themselves because i'm not arguing with people tonight.

^THIS, 100%.

All of this is true.

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gagagirl ...I agree whole-heartedly with your comment. As a biracial Latin immigrant, I was always confused by this racial society of the USA. As a child, I was treated poorly by other black kids becaue I didn't fit in with them, a contrast that is so different from my interactions with other races of children. My Latin upbringing protects me from this sort of division because I was raised with Latin culture and grew up around other Latin children. As an ambiguously mixed person, I was never made to feel as though I was exclusively a black person--I'm viewed simply as Hispanic, and luckily for me, I am. I can't go around calling myself 'just black' when I wasn't raised in the BC nor do I feel exclusively black. Clearly it's an individual nuance for me as I'm sure it is for other mixies--because we all look different. It's not expected that we all look predominantly African and it's also a myth that the African gene dominates as I am 49% Sub-Saharan African as according to my Ancestry DNA test, and yet, I appear to have more European as well as East Asian appearance as according to so many people who meet me, including my white friend who took the ancestry test with me and found out he has 19% Indigenous American Indian. Although, I ocassionally meet an African American who will insist that I should call myself 'just black'...all while they're asking me if I have any African ancestry within me---If it were obvious, why would you have to ask?! lol :)