Black Women Just Have A Way With Words, Says Director and Writer Louis C.K

Black Women Just Have A Way With Words, Says Director and Writer Louis C.K

“It just hurts more?” Hmmm, I wonder why.

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Louis C.K., comedian, actor, writer, director, and lead actor of his self-created television show “Louie,” was on late night television show “Jimmy Kimmel Live,” where he was asked to explain his decision to cast a black actress as the mother of his two white children.

When queried by Kimmel on the choice to cast a black women as the mother of two ‘very white’ daughters, Louis C.K replied that “If the character works for the show, I don’t care about the racial.” Continuing his explanation for his casting choice, Louis C.K spoke of a particular scene on the third season of “Louie” where the mother of children–a working professional–forcefully encourages him to get a job: “And when a black woman tells you to get a job it’s just more…’Get a job,’ it just hurts more.”

“It just hurts more?” Hmmm, I wonder why. And is it only white men who feel this increased pain when black women tell them to get a job? How often do black women actually tell white men to get jobs? Somebody should do a dissertation and field research on this topic.

The name of the actress who will play Louie’s wife has yet to be revealed.

The third season of “Louie” premieres Thursday at 10:30 p., ET on fX.

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imahrtbrkbeat 87 pts

Also, I don't know if this makes a difference, but you do all realize that he's half Hispanic! He's the product of an interracial marriage himself...just FYI. 

Brenda55 19541 pts moderator

 imahrtbrkbeat Thanks for the infor and thanks for participating in this thread good seeing you here. 

 

I don't think that what he said is more that foot in mouth disease and we are all reacting to that. 

imahrtbrkbeat 87 pts

 Brenda55 Thanks, Brenda. I feel the same way -- I placed a comment on this a bit further down in the thread. I think there are more offensive things going on in our OWN community than to be getting upset with a balding, self-depricating, half-hispanic -- but seen as white -- man who makes the same sort of comments about EVERYONE. His comedy is definitely an acquired taste, and I've been following it for a while. Oddly enough, the foot in mouth syndrome is actually apart of his act, which makes the inappropriate nature of it even more hilarious, in my opinion. 

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Perhaps someone should just come out and ask C.K. what he meant by a Black woman saying "get a job" is more hurtful (looking at you, Christelyn).  Not ready to put him down as a racist without hearing him explain himself.  And it's nice that he has a Black woman playing his wife.  Unfortunately, Black women don't seem to get a lot of roles in TV shows or movies nowadays (except for Tyler Perry productions), so it's good to see that at least one more is getting some work.

iHeartLove 804 pts

This isn't that offensive IMO. You can't let stereotypes take over your life to the point where you're looking for them. There is almost nothing a white person can say about black people or black women that cannot be construed as racist or stereotypical.  That doesn't somehow invalidate racist comments or the responsibility of white people to speak/act right, but at the same time, I don't think we need to yell fire every single time.

kiki100 630 pts

 iHeartLove   The writer here is asking why he would make that comment. It is really different if a ww says the same thing?  This is more 'othering'. I take it he takes noted from black males.

imahrtbrkbeat 87 pts

I think that a lot of people are reading this wrong. What he may have said may not have been said appropriately or properly, I feel like Louis is coming from the perspective that -- it just doesn't happen with black men as far as black women are concerned -- as far as their approach. You don't always see this happen with interracial couples in the media, so I think it's a cool approach to show that relationships are relationships, period. Despite what he said, I think it's very cool that he was able to essentially cast a woman based on talent alone, particularly an actress that is unknown. 

 

I think if you become more familiar with his standup, the comment could be taken with a grain of salt. 

Maxine 1005 pts

I have seen snippets of the show that I thought were hilarious, but not enough of the show or his stand-up to make up my mind.  I know critics (and friends of mine) rave about it being the best show on TV, so I'll eventually check it out.  I do remember an episode where his grandmother referred to Brazil nuts as n____r toes in front of him and his daughters (not funny), and I know there was an episode where one of the little girls went in blackface for a school project on Frederick Douglass (not funny either).  As for the Jimmy Kimmel comment that it hurts more when black women say get a job, at first I thought he was trafficking in angry,cuss-you-out black woman stereotypes...but could he be referring to the fact that bw put up with black MEN not having a job so often, that when she's sick of it it's a big deal?  Anyone else interpret it that way?  Anyway I'm glad the best person at the audition got the job, regardless of race.  I only hope the audience sees it that way, and not some gimmick, like her race itself and him having married her is the joke.

kiki100 630 pts

 Maxine Blackface, n-gger nuts?? I had no idea.

Maxine 1005 pts

 kiki100 Yeah, and they didn't censor it either.  She actually said N------r toes and Louis CK's character didn't correct her.  The daughter wrinkled their nose up and said something like Daddy I don't like that word.  Then the grandmother dropped dead.  I didn't see the whole episode where she went as Frederick Douglass for Halloween but there was no correcting her as to why people might find it offensive.  Sara Silverman says n------r in songs and also appeared in blackface on her Comedy Central show ("I look like the beautiful Queen Latifah!").  This iis becoming a trend among white comedians to appear edgy.

CocoaFly 253 pts

 Maxine  I'm not watching no old white woman say the N-word.  In the Jimmy Kimmel clip he can't remember the his co-star's name and he said when a bw tells you to get a job, "It hurts more."  We know what he meant. It's because bw are supposed to be "aggressive." He said the ex-wife on his show is different from his real-life ex-wife. He said he and his real life ex-wife get along. I'm passing on this foolishness. 

Brice Cameron 2071 pts

I have read a lot of articles lauding Louie, but I have never watched it.  I like Louis C.K.'s humor.  This is his most famous bit, which became a bit of a viral video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

 

I think it is both funny and true.

 

He also does a bit on white privilege:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

 

White people talking about race inevitably place their foot in their mouth occasionally, but I think that he is generally on the right side of things.

Brice Cameron 2071 pts

Correction:  The part about cell phones sending and receiving signals from space is not true, just funny.

CarlaRose 232 pts

I don't watch TV so I don't know anything about his show (I do know him as a comedian), but reading this reminds me of the "Sapphire" AKA ABW stereotype that is so ingrained in our culture. With that said, I guess A job in the entertainment industry is better than no job. 

 

I do wonder when are we ever going to be seen as empathetic, sympathetic, vulnerable, and outwardly affectionate in the entertainment industry. 

ImaniScully 200 pts

If I shut out everything that was "offensive" or stereotypical on television, what would I watch really? Sometimes things are not that serious. I'll watch. I'll laugh. I'll enjoy myself.

zipporah 1727 pts

@ImaniScully this is one of the reasons I DONT watch much tv: I dont laugh, it's not funny & i dont enjoy myself when its on. I'd rather watch old youtube vids

KingsDaughter 4644 pts

 ImaniScullyThe pool of black women on TV is already limited, and any negative stereotyping in that uneven playing field will be very noticeable.  Personally, I don't stand for that and it doesn't matter whether it's being done by this guy (possibly) or Tyler Perry.

kathy116 18 pts

It seems like the ex-wife was always supposed to be a ball-buster regardless of her race. That is also a stereotype --- not all exes are angry, not all ex-wives are bad women.

ImaniScully 200 pts

I love Louis C.K. And I love his show. And I'm not even sorry. I regret nothing. lol

Blackberry 1177 pts

Ummm... I don't know, don't watch the show. But he is a subversive comedian, so the comments don't seem all that out of place given his style of stand up. He was on "talking funny" with Ricky Gervais, Chris Rock & Jerry Seinfeld. One of the things these discussed was profanity and taboo topics in comedy. Jerry discussed why he refused to curse on stage, Chris talked about he gets away with being mysgonistic on stage, and C.K. talked about why he is able to get away with using the Nword on stage. If I can find a link I will post it. That aside: I am not up and arms about the casting of a black woman. Cast the best woman for the job...isn't that what equality looks like? It is easy to explain why children look the way they do...families are diverse these days. ABW stereotypes exists, if he wants to feed into that he can. It is not his job (on a comedy show) to eradicate all stereotypes. It seems like the ex-wife was always supposed to be a ball-buster regardless of her race. That is also a stereotype --- not all exes are angry, not all ex-wives are bad women. At stereotype is all about males projecting their vulnerabilities onto women, by making the women the "bitch" the man is in no way responsible (in whole or part) for the failure of the relationship. Last point: BW are too sensitive sometimes. Sorry I said it, but it's not meant to be flighting words. BW want more images of them in media, but if it's not the ideal BW are more up in arms than they are about the abscence of BW in media. Not saying we should be satisfied with "the help" and "precious" .....but BW are women. Women as a group aren't treated that fairly in media (need I mention short lived Play Boy Club or Dukes of Hazards). Progress is slow folks, black woman got the part and Louis C.K. doesnt hate BW --- so congrats to Susan .....whatever her name is.

Toni_M 18881 pts moderator

Blackberry

I kind of agree. Who IS the ideal black woman? Look at Olivia Pope: She's a strong, sophisticated, go-getter who's every influential and powerful, and yet very vulnerable and loving and kind. She's flawed to be sure, but that makes her more believable than if she were the super woman free of kinks that is desired. 

 

You'll note that many of the most popular characters, male and female, on TV are flawed. I bet if you sat down and thought about it, there are probably very few "flawless" characters that were very popular.

 

The only one I can think of is MacGyver, but then he's the type of person you'd want with you if anything went wrong. A ballpoint pen, a swiss army knife, and some yarn? You will MAKE IT! \o/ 

 

 

I agree that there is no reason why we should settle for stereotypes, but at a certain point, I'm simply not going to emotionally invest in crying about characters I don't see myself in. It's not me, it's not a representation of me, why should I give a hoot? I don't need to relate to ALL black women in reality, so it's not going to be true of fiction, Not all black women are like me, and that's not something I find upsetting.

 

I love the idea of classy, sophisticated and swirling black women on TV and in movies. And if those characters are increased, I'll be happy. And if some characters on shows and movies don't live up to that, I'm simply not watching. The more time and money invested in the type of characters I want, the more popular they become. And that's kind of how I'll pick my battles.

 

Blackberry 1177 pts

Here is a link to the part of Talking Funny I was referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tkrUOgr99k I think the whole episode is worth a watch, but the part about the Nword and black women is in the first 5-6minutes. But like I said the whole thing is up in parts on YouTube. Totaling about 40minutes. Very interesting.

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Blackberry 1177 pts

@ann4950 @Blackberry ???? Not sure I follow you completely, please elaborate regarding the part about his attitude toward BW.

JemITO 38 pts

I was reading about this last night. At first I thought, oh this is kinda awesome. Even though the children might look obviously "white" that doesn't mean that they couldn't have come from a black mother and it shouldn't be seen as an issue. Then the whole "get a job," comment seemed to throw in the angry black women stereotype which threw me off. But like other posters have said I will reserve judgement till I see how this plays out on screen.

Lili2009 1826 pts

First thing I thought was "black woman=ball breaker, dominant, bossy, sassy, etc."  I remember Bill Maher, who I think exclusively dates black women, made a joke about some politician getting a "dress down" from a black woman for his behavior. Hard to shake this bossy/dominant/strong stereotype, even with men like Maher who might know better. Anyway, the casting is buzz-worthy and maybe more will tune in to see the dynamic (and have lots to say about it.)

Avoc42883 1226 pts

 Lili2009 Bill Maher doesn't know better as word on the street is that he's rather abusive in the relationships he's in.  There have been many allegations of him hitting women he's been with.  He's basically known for dating lower income black women, mistreating them  for a few months and then dumping him.  I LOATHE when his name comes up on interracial sites.  He rarely takes his relationships public by the way, except his current relationship, with a white college student....

Jamila 7236 pts moderator

Avoc42883Lili2009

I gotta come to the defense of Bill. I think his show on HBO is great and watch it all the time. 

 

Now in regards to his relationships... I must admit that the black women I have known him to date have been a bit...how do I say this? Off.   When he was dating Karrine Steffans (aka "Superhead") I remember her going on some radio show saying that even though she was dating Bill and had been involved with other white men she would still never bring a child into the world with a white man. I thought her sentiment (I can't date white men but will only ever be willing to have a child with a black man) to be extremely odd. I have nothing to say about the other black women I know him to have dated other than I believe that she was a stripper--and I'm not going to hate on strippers for making their money. 

 

From what I've seen, he's been public with his relationships with black women. I can google and find plenty of pictures of him with these women. 

 

rsstile 17 pts

@Jamila @Avoc42883 @Lili2009 sorry jamila bill is a scumbag and I like his show as well..how you can defend him and not louis is mind blowing. Just because you date black women doesn't make you better than the guy who only casts one on a show. Abusive men are not ok even though they swirl...if anything bill seems to date down just to do whatever he wants to these women and don't bother showing the photos of him with black women, its offensive and embarassing to praise him.

Jamila 7236 pts moderator

 rsstile  Jamila  Avoc42883  Lili2009 "how you can defend him and not louis is mind blowing."

 

Maybe your mind is blown because your not paying attention. I've never seen "Louie" or heard of this comedian, thus there is nothing for me to defend or to be angry about. I think casting a black woman in this role will be an interesting twist and I'm wondering--just like everyone else--how it's all going to pan out.  

 

Everything else in your comment is smoke blowing, gossiping, and being overly dramatic. 

rsstile 17 pts

@Jamila Well then tell me how you really feel! I'm sorry I assumed you were familiar with louis ck since you based a post around his show...as far as bill I take a no bullsh*t aproach to abusive men and I don't care to call that as being overly dramatic,but you can.I was paying attention, I even reread your post and comments multiple times so as not to assume anything wrong. So with that being said I'm out. P.s. you came at me kinda roughwhen I only wanted to attack bill...

Avoc42883 1226 pts

 Jamila  Lili2009 i'm still meh on Bill but a serious LOL at Karrine Steffans.  Where does she think she got her light skin which is part of what made her so prized in hip-hop circles from?

Jamila 7236 pts moderator

 Avoc42883  Lili2009  I won't even begin to attempt to try to understand the mind of Karrine Steffans. It was just completely nonsensical to me. 

Avoc42883 1226 pts

 Jamila  Lili2009 I also wanted to add that I actually don't think Bill is racist or has a fetish as much as he's a misogynist, his preference just happens to be black women just how another misogynist's might have a preference for blondes.  Like many actors/athletes I just always saw him as the type to date women who he could have control over and drop at a moment's notice no different than George Clooney dating waitresses and D-list actresses.  with proper vetting I'm sure most of the ladies here would pass on him. sorry for the tangent!

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Jamila  Avoc42883  Lili2009 "When he was dating Karrine Steffans (aka "Superhead") I remember her going on some radio show saying that even though she was dating Bill and had been involved with other white men she would still never bring a child into the world with a white man."

 

"i'm still meh on Bill but a serious LOL at Karrine Steffans.  Where does she think she got her light skin which is part of what made her so prized in hip-hop circles from?"

 

WTH?! Mega-LOL! I think she's insane. Not just because of the anti-mixed-kid- but-schtupping-euros-is fine sentiment....but just in general from what I've read, she seems seriously wack-a-doodle. I'm not surprised.

arlette81 203 pts

 Avoc42883

 wait wait wait, you think she got her light skin from having white in her?  im way lighter than her and not a single of white blood in me. black people come in all shaded.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Avoc42883  Lili2009 Jamila rsstile 

I agree, it makes me wince to see Maher & his chocolate or caramel du jour on IR sites. He seems like a total ass & a cad (same with that Simon C. Idol guy, yuck!) & I don't see why women give them the time of day.  I'd run-not-walk in the opposite direction. :s

 

Jamila 7236 pts moderator

 Elfe  Avoc42883  Lili2009  rsstile I LURVS me some Bill Maher! lol I think I have "interesting" taste in men. 

rsstile 17 pts

@jamila interesting men dont abuse women.

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

My husband was telling me about this yesterday.  He's a big fan of Louis and loves the show.  It kind of gave me pause because it seems to feed into the "angry black woman"  thing.  My husband told me I should reserve my judgement until I actually watch the upcoming episodes.  Fair enough.  I do hope it turns out better than it sounds right now.  The show is pretty good.  I remember one episode Louis was majorly into this dark-skinned, natural beauty he saw at a store.  He even followed her home.  But she turned out to be a NBAB kind of girl.  However, her sister was down with the swirl!

rsstile 17 pts

Hmmmm...so....yeah, I'm a fan of louis, I like his show and his standup and I think this might be interesting and funny. I mean he's got big ones casting her and I think some of you should watch som past episodes or stand up before you unleash the haterade IMO

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

 rsstile My husband is a fan too and pretty much suggested I do the same.  Reserve judgement until after the new episodes have aired.  I like Louis and the show, so I hope it's not as bad as it seems!

blackpanthershay 7178 pts

 The Working Home Keeper My husband is a fan as well. I tried to watch his tv series a year ago but I gave up

KingsDaughter 4644 pts

I saw this on the Huffingtonpost and I just went ...hmm this statement has a couple of facets to it but initially it just sounds like a backhanded compliment if there ever was one. I wasn't in the mood to dissect this though.

Brenda55 19541 pts moderator

 KingsDaughter I agree. I am not going to spend time on this idiot.  The fall out from that statement has already started and he deserves the ton of bricks that is about to fall on him.

 

Black women do tend to lay it on the line and are more direct.  Men tend to like that about us. I know for a fact that they do not like indecisive mealy mouth women. "Just say what you mean."  It he meant that then fine other wise it comes out as yet another ABW slam and we are tired of taking that......and we won't.

Dude is gonna need to 'splain himself.

 

What is it going to be now? "Want to be trendy, edgy........cast a sista opposite a white guy?"

 

Great if black actress get more work and the roles are written well.  Lame if it feeds into negative stereotypes. 

 

 

KingsDaughter 4644 pts

 Brenda55 Agreed. I'm so totally sick of the sassy (i.e. loud) in-your-business preachy black woman archetype.

Brenda55 19541 pts moderator

Its feeding into the ABW stereotype......which is a epic fail IMO.

 

Never heard of this guy. 

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/louis-ck-tour-tickets-louie-season-3-342590

 

Sounds like a play for ratings. 

 

Here is the new "ex wife".

 

http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/louis-c-k-on-finally-bringing-his-louie-characters-ex-wife-on-screen-and-why-shes-african-american

Law Wanxi 5801 pts

 Brenda55 

"Never heard of this guy."

 

I never heard of him either. I stopped following or caring about "comedians" when they stopped being funny. 

zipporah 1727 pts

@Law Wanxi @Brenda55 Youre so right. I havent seen many of them either BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOILET MOUTHS...not all. There is good comedy out there