One Blogger Says, “Feminism Ruined Courtship”

One Blogger Says, “Feminism Ruined Courtship”

Feminism has left a relationship vacuüm resulting in confused women who do not know how to interact with men thus making them more vulnerable to exploitation by relationship predators. This ideology has attacked femininity in women and promoted misandry. Instead of equality, this movement created a gender war between men and women.

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The New York Times posted an article confirming my assessment that Generation Y, also known as “Millennials” are a bunch of confused, socially inept tech junkies who lack basic communication skills and pretty much suck at dating. Unfortunately “the hook up culture” has destroyed courting leaving a trail of emotionally broken women fighting for scraps and lazy men who can get sex and companionship with minimal effort and no real commitment. That is why relationship pimps like Steve Harvey are able to write a New York Times Bestseller giving women horrible advice about how to get a man. Dummies everywhere ate that book up because they are so desperate to find companionship and willing to sell their souls to Lucifer just to have a warm male body to claim as their own. I’m blaming it all on feminism. Yeah I said it. That’s my default for 2013.

Feminism has left a relationship vacuüm resulting in confused women who do not know how to interact with men thus making them more vulnerable to exploitation by relationship predators. This ideology has attacked femininity in women and promoted misandry. Instead of equality, this movement created a gender war between men and women. In the romance department, heterosexual women are at a huge disadvantage because feminism has brainwashed them into thinking that men are bad, emasculation is good, and if you choose to have sex with men, getting ran through by “randoms” is okay because you are strong independent woman fighting for equality and embracing your sexuality. NEWSFLASH, being a slut does not make you enlightened or empowered. A woman diminishes her power when she carelessly gives herself away to unworthy men.

“In today’s society anyone advising women not to  screw random guys is engaging in  slut shaming. Let’s get scientific for a moment. Having sex with random people increases one’s chances of catching diseases; unwanted pregnancies which could lead to abortions, and psychological damage. Women who make these poor life choices are often left mentally and emotionally damaged and unable to have healthy romantic relationships with the opposite sex.”

I’ve read my share of writings from Radical Feminist like Dworkin, Mary Daly, and Jill Johnston and let’s keep it real; the toxic thoughts of these broads are the foundation to modern-day feminism. The dysfunctional thinking of first wave feminists parlayed into a social movement that demonized half of the human population which has fundamentally damaged relationships between men and women. Anything produced from a rotten foundation is corrupt. Add unicorn expectations, absentee fathers, and poor emotional intelligence into the mix and you have a big disaster.

This post isn’t about women’s advocates who actually fight for the lives and safety of women. These are real warriors, who stop domestic violence, remove political dictators, rescue people from trafficking, feed the hungry etc. People like Mother Teresa, Wangari Maatha, and Ellen Johnson Sirleaf have made valuable contributions to the world and improved the lives of millions of people including women. In fact I would just rather call these people human rights advocates because they fight for the freedom and dignity for all people. They aren’t some loud mouth sexually confused ass-clown who believes they are rocking because they wrote an analysis on The Feminine Mystique.

The type of feminist that are destructive to society are the entitled hipster brats who complains about heteronormative oppression and slut shaming on Tumblr. These types sit on the internet or some community meeting with her equally obnoxious cohorts creating make-believe pseudo-academic politicized terms to identify highly confused people who want to mainstream their dysfunction. In reality, many of these type of feminists aren’t doing anything worthwhile to stop inequality. They are often silent when women of color experience severe oppression and disenfranchisement. Somehow they find a way to blame men for their bad decisions instead of taking accountability for their mistakes. That is why I rarely take these broads seriously and mentally black out when they open their mouths.

Unfortunately the Millennial is probably the product of women influenced by first wave feminism who mated with faux-males also known as Betas. Man-haters tolerate Eunuchs because castration prevents these Betas from challenging the logical fallacies of feminism. Fast forward to 2013, as a result of brainwashed mothers and Beta fathers, many women do not know how to interact with men. Many men act like adolescent teenagers by delaying commitment as long as possible. Instead of protecting and providing, women are now competition and viewed with distrust. There is no incentive to commit when there are women willing to give all the benefits of a relationship without any accountability or investment. To take the issue between men and women even deeper, many women emasculate men on a daily basis without even knowing it. Men have accepted the emasculation and as a result conduct their lives as thoughtless children too immature to see the benefits of finding a wife and establishing their legacy.

So what is the solution to the dating dilemma? Women must transform their minds and relearn how to interact with men. Accepting mediocre behavior during the courtship stage will lead to dissatisfaction later on. Women also need to check themselves about some of that nonsensical feminist rhetoric. There is nothing wrong with acting like a woman and embracing your femininity. You don’t need to drink, think, or act like the boys to get a guy’s attention. You also don’t need to engage in emasculation to prove that you are equal to a man. The type of man who will make a good husband and father isn’t going to date a woman, who believes he is subhuman.

Women must respect themselves enough to not accept laziness in dating. Stop sharing the best parts of yourself with people who aren’t committed to you. Showing respect and conducting oneself with dignity will attract a certain type of person into your life. A guy asking you out on a date via text message last-minute is inappropriate. You are the backup plan and you deserve more than that. Texting is not an effective communication tool. Texting is for quick exchange of information, not full on conversation. Texting is lazy and impersonal. Responding to such a piss poor communication and rewarding the guy by going out on a date is ludicrous and reinforces bad behavior. Women can have a lot of power without having to embrace toxic feminist doctrine, degrading themselves, and viewing men as the enemy.

Below are some resources that has helped me tremendously in the dating scene. Some of you need to go back to basics and learn how to appropriately date to get the best results and find the right guy who will respect and appreciate you as a woman. Disclaimer: This links are mainly targeted at heterosexual women who want marriage. If you don’t fit into that group than disregard.

1. Baggage Reclaim- Start from the beginning and read every single post. its worth it because most of you have no idea how discern if a guy is into you, set healthy boundaries or understand when its time to walk away.

2.  Alison Armstrong (THis woman is godsend. My interactions with men have improved dramatically since taking her workshop http://www.understandmen.com. The workshops are expensive but they are highly recommended. If you can’t afford the workshops then check out her books on Amazon. One of my personal favorites is Keys to the Kingdom

3. The Rules Series by Ellen Fein: A lot of people complained about the The Rules but the truth is that many women have poor boundaries and incorrect thinking about dating. They waste time on men who don’t care about them and have inappropriate interactions. Ellen Fein has written an updated version called Not Your Mother’s Rules.

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MySmile 4172 pts

I think everyone has their areas in which they are more conservative and everyone has areas where they are liberal....For example, I may be a bit conservative when it comes to who I'm going to share my body with (meaning full blown sexual intercourse), but I'm not as conservative as some of the women on here when it comes to kissing, making out, and "fooling around" (found that out from another post)...That may be partially because of my age (23) and the fact that I'm in college, but it just goes to show that a difference of opinion does not necessarily mean a lack of values (but sometimes it does). I do think that the majority of women are not emotionally equipped to have sex with a bunch of different people without being attached, though...I've seen what happens when most women try to "act like a man". I don't think it's a good thing for men to sleep with a whole bunch of people either..it's a turn off.. (though they are more successful at doing it without emotional complications), so there is no double standard in my eyes....

 

Also, I wish there was a way we could edit our comments after we already posted them, like on facebook!

Jamila 7189 pts moderator

In my experience, those who are concerned about how many people you have slept with before getting involved with them fall into two categories:

 

1) They are religious types. They are Christians/Muslims/etc who feel that "virginity" is a gift that you share with your partner on your wedding night. It is the signing of a sacred bond between two people. 

 

2) They are scared that if you have had sex with many people before them, they may not measure up to your past sexual experiences or your past partners. In other words, the real issue in option 2 is the person's self-esteem and ego--the fear of being compared to others and found lacking. 

 

I once read in a book that, "people don't take off their character when they take off their clothing."  If you want to know what kind of a person someone is, you don't have to know their sexual history (how many people they had sex with) you just have to spend time with that person--get to know them, watch how they behave in different situations, watch how they treat others, listen to the things they tell you and then measure what they say against what they do.  

zabeth 817 pts

 Jamila I agree. IMO, I think that a man can surmise what your views on sex are by: 1.) How long it takes to get into bed with you. 2.) The discussions you two have regarding sex. Moreover, I think a woman can surmise a man's stance based on similar factors: is he pushing for sex early, does he respect your boundaries, etc. The number only says so much. 

Elegance 2096 pts

 zabeth  Jamila 

"Moreover, I think a woman can surmise a man's stance based on similar factors: is he pushing for sex early, does he respect your boundaries, etc. The number only says so much."

 

Well, it could just say he's really horny and really attracted to you too. I mean if the hottest guy in the world wanted me I might say yes right away too...hypocritical I know lol! But the number may indicate how many women he pushes for sex early with. It tells you whether it's just you or if it's part of his nature. A guy who has only had 3 partners and pushes for sex early is different from one with 100 who pushes for sex early. The one with 3 might be highly attracted to you, horny because he doesn't get it often, even mistaken that having sex is early is normal since he has little experience.

 

The number tells you about habits. A guy can talk talk talk about his thoughts about sex but actions speak louder than words. What he says may be completely different from what he does. Many virgins know a lot about sex and have opinions about it, but they have never done it. Anyways, no point in arguing this since people will ask or not ask, tell or not tell. I believe in honesty and full disclosure. Seriously, some people get credit checks to see their partner's spending habits and financial health and you would pass up knowing your partner's sex history? I don't get it. 

MySmile 4172 pts

 Elegance  zabeth  Jamila  

"Many virgins know a lot about sex and have opinions about it, but they have never done it."

 

Yep! This may be off topic, but I don't know why people always assume being a virgin means you're super religious, a prude, or that you're clueless about sex...not so! There are plenty of reasons why people choose to abstain from sex....This is a bit personal, but I have never had intercourse... I look forward to it, though!..Sex is not a bad thing and women are definitely not sluts for wanting or having sex outside of marriage (don't think anyone here is saying that, but it's been implied elsewhere). I just know my limits and what things I'm comfortable with (especially emotionally) for now....I can't wait to try things with someone I trust completely (preferably someone I'm at least engaged to...but maybe not..) In my opinion, the best thing is finding people who are okay with wherever you're at right now...whether that's having had 2 partners or 20...but you have to realize some people aren't going to be okay with you having had 20 partners..It goes both ways, many guys will not date me because I won't put out anytime soon.....or they don't want the "burden" of dating a virgin (afraid you'll get super attached and crazy if you end up having sex....and I probably would get attached, but hopefully not crazy! lol)....but here we always say not to waste time on people who don't want you...so there are always other people out there 

 

 

EnJay 885 pts

 MySmile  Elegance  zabeth  Jamila Very well put.  

Elegance 2096 pts

 Jamila 

I'm neither 1 or 2.

 

Hey, we shouldn't judge people for their preferences and wanting to know everything about their partners, some of them are really nice people lol! It's okay to want to know about partner's childhoods, their opinions, their values, what they do for a living, but how many people they have slept is is somehow off limits? Is a criminal record, past drug use, and past mistakes off limit too?

 

I was thinking about this last night. If you want to buy a car you start looking at cars, ask friends about theirs, and start thinking about the car you want. You may read many things online and in magazines about the safety, comfort, speed, style, and affordability of a car. You have to consider if if will suit your needs, if it has enough space, it's size, attractiveness, and if you can afford it before you pick one with the right fit. Then you take it out for a test drive. You might search far and wide for one you can afford or wait for one to become available. Then you buy. 

 

People do ALL of this just to buy a car but they won't do that to find a mate? A man you are planning to spend the rest of your life with and possibly make children? You just ignore the mileage and wear and tear? I think it's wise to know your partners history, including number to figure out his attitudes towards sex, what he does with his body, how he relates to other women (i.e., not just pieces of meat to satisfy his momentary lust), how much variety he needs, how quickly he becomes bored with a woman, and what he is willing to do in bed given past experience. All of this is important. There is a big difference between the character and attitudes of a man who has slept with 20 women and one who has slept with 100. I think that is worth knowing. 

Jamila 7189 pts moderator

 Elegance "Is a criminal record, past drug use, and past mistakes off limit too?"

 

Nothing should be off limits if you want to ask it. But I'm saying that 1) often times the asking of the question says much more about the person doing the asking, than it reveals about the person being asked.  Is the asking being done out of curiosity, or prurient interest? What do you (not 'you' specifically, but 'you' in general) hope to find out by asking the question now, rather than later or never asking at all?

 

I think asking a person about their credit history is important--once the two of you decide that you want to mix your finances. I think asking someone about their ability or inability to have kids is important--if we are thinking of having children then it is important that I know you have uterine scarring (or whatever). But, would I ask about your credit history on a first date? No, by the time I would need to know your credit history I've already got a good idea about how responsible you are with money. By the time I consider having kids with you, I'm sure you would have already told me about your trouble having kids (or what you think may lead to trouble.) 

 

But when would I need to know how many people you have had sex with with? Unless I'm asking out of 1) fear of measuring up, 2) prurient interest (which, if you are prurient then that is just you being you), or 3) I'm looking for some detail about you that I think is revealing. What is your number supposed to reveal that I won't find out in the process of dating you? Nothing. 

EnJay 885 pts

 Jamila  Totally with you, Jamila.  Some questions are things that I need to know because they affect US or ME in the here and now.  Some questions are things that I want to know because I'm curious (or sometimes, NOSY).  I may go ahead and ask them anyway, but I do know the difference.

 

 

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 Elegance  Jamila I am a strong believer in due diligence. If someone needs to believe that I am a religious nut or bad in bed because I wanted to know how the men I dated and the one I married conducted their lives before we met - and this always included sexual partners - they are welcome to continue believing it. It doesn't matter. The interesting thing is, I have NEVER dated a man who was angry or offended because I asked him that question. Not a single solitary one. I think men are just different in that way.

 

I'm curious, did any of the men you asked that question find it offensive?

Elegance 2096 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  Jamila 

"I'm curious, did any of the men you asked that question find it offensive?"

Not really. But the one who I didn't date, who had over 100 partners but wasn't sure, well he had a reaction after a while. Basically after I asked the question we started to talk about his experiences, the situations where it occured, what he liked to do, if he cheated etc.

 

He kept trying to get me to "open my mind and let go" so that I would agree to do things with him. See, he tried to change me and get me to go against my values. He implied that I seemed like a virgin compared to all of his experience. He kept, CONSTANTLY, talking about sex acts and that was practically all he talked about. So we realized we were not compatible and I never dated him. Plus, in the process of discussing his sex experience I found that that he often used drugs while doing it. Yet in the beginning he said he never used drugs. 

 

In another instance something similar happened. I didn't ask for his number but a guy, who didn't commit to me, wanted to have sex. So we discussed what each of us liked. He told me he liked something I didn't and his ex did it all the time. He said it was his favorite thing and wanted me to do it. That told me we were not compatible. I think women need to discuss everything related to sex with their partner because you don't want to end up with a guy who prefers something you don't want to do. Otherwise you could end up like Terry McMillian (husband was gay), even a sex addict, or someone who has a weird fetish that he will go outside the relationship to satisfy. I don't like surprises when it comes to this issue. 

 

You know what's funny? In some places they still have blood tests before you are married. I heard (but I could be wrong) that those are done to determine if you and your partner are related. So even your parents sex lives are relevant lol!

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 Elegance  Jamila I believe they are also testing for inheritable diseases and STDs. I know someone who would have benefited from that test before they got married. They contracted HIV from their spouse.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

I believe that I have every right to know how many women my husband has been with, which is why I asked while we were still dating. I believe he and other men have the same right to know. It's not “insecure” and “jealous”, it's an excellent way of judging whether you and that person share the same degree of respect for the act of love. If you do not, you are better off finding out before things get serious. Strangers do not have the right to know.

 

I believe that men and women should both be wary of people who have racked up a large number of sexual partners if that behavior does not fit into their personal value system. It's easy to say “it's no one's business”, but a lot of decent men and women have married someone who is incapable of loyalty and their lives have been made sheer HELL as a result. And they most likely would never have married those people if they'd known the truth about them.

 

The older woman I mentioned in an earlier comment, the one who has been married and divorced multiple times, she has had children by other men during two of her five marriages. And, yes, I know that this doesn't mean that all promiscuous women who get married will behave this way, but if someone of her generation would do that I find it hard to believe that someone young enough to be her child could easily resist it, if they have made such behavior a habit or addiction.

Elegance 2096 pts

 AndreaLThorsen Totally agree! The number says something about who they are and what they believe. A man can say one thing but act completely different.

BeautyIAM 1270 pts

 AndreaLThorsen 

 

With all due respect AndreaLThorsen and those who agree, I totally disagree. 

 

To say you deserve to know who your partners sexual history is interesting to say the least.

 

Judging someone based off of who they have had sex with in not going to help people discern who they should or should not be with. I'm think about Tiger Woods. He seemed like a clean cut guy. We never heard about him sleeping around before he got married. He gets married and looks like a happy family man. Next thing we know, he screwed around with a bunch of different women. 

 

"I believe that men and women should both be wary of people who have racked up a large number of sexual partners if that behavior does not fit into their personal value system."

 

A guy could think I am some whore and think I am unworthy of being his wife because, lets say I tell him I slept with ONE guy. He now thinks my vagina is defiled. There are men that do that. Would I be really be a whore because I told him I slept with ONE guy?

 

But then you also have have people that get married as virgins. One person may step out on their spouse because their spouse is not hitting the right spots. 

 

Many people make all kinds of decisions in regards to their sexual past that they regret. So when someone finds out about that sexual history and then makes a judgement on that person is unfair. 

 

I also find this thinking problematic because their are men who think they own a womans body BEFORE he come to the picture. Acting like her vagina is now his now that they are a couple. And because of that, he wants to call her out on the things she did sexually that she may now regret. Even if she didn't regret what she did sexually, it doesn't mean he needs to have her look down on herself

 

Men are not made to feel as sexually responsible for their actions as women so the conversation is different. But I still think that judging a man for what he has done sexually isn't going to help a woman know what type of man he is. 

 

What I do think people SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO is any STI for obvious reasons. 

Elegance 2096 pts

 BeautyIAM  AndreaLThorsen 

Tiger Woods? I write off almost all athletes, musicians and celebrities because I think most of them sleep around a lot (depends on the type of music and type of sport though). She should have known, he's a famous, rich celebrity and an athlete who had tons of admiring female fans. 

 

"A guy could think I am some whore and think I am unworthy of being his wife because, lets say I tell him I slept with ONE guy. He now thinks my vagina is defiled. There are men that do that. Would I be really be a whore because I told him I slept with ONE guy?"

 

It just means he is not the right guy for you. It would be good to know that before you fell in love with him and got hurt. Your thinking is incompatible with his.

 

"Many people make all kinds of decisions in regards to their sexual past that they regret. So when someone finds out about that sexual history and then makes a judgement on that person is unfair."

 

It's always puzzling to me when women bring up the "fairness" issue regarding sex. Life isn't fair and neither is sex. We wish it was but it often isn't. Maybe it will be in the future so it's not now, a pragmatist would see that and function based on reality not idealized fairness.  That's like saying 'When someone finds out about that sexual history and then makes a judgement that hurts my feelings." And? Do you expect people to ignore their values and preferences because it hurts other's feelings? People will look for and ONLY accept the person they want, even if that's a virgin, because there are virgins out there wanting to be accepted. I hurts my feelings that rich people don't give me their money...I guess they should then. 

BeautyIAM 1270 pts

 Elegance  BeautyIAM  AndreaLThorsen 

 

 "She should have known, he's a famous, rich celebrity and an athlete who had tons of admiring female fans."

 

Ummmmm.... "she should have known".....pure BS...but I'll leave it at that.

 

Okay so what about people that get married as virgins then. What if they end up cheating on each other. They both thought that the other was a good judge of character because they hadn't slept with anyone before marriage. 

 

Thinking that just because someone has a low amount of sex partner is going to keep their partner from cheating is potentially setting themselves up.

 

People don't have a right to know who you've shared your body to or how people you've been with. Its tacky IMO. There is no point in knowing irrelevant information that does not add to a relationship. It does nothing for the relationship. 

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

BeautyIAMElegance

Yeah, here's the thing. It doesn't matter whether we agree with each other or not. I'm not the one you need to convince. I am, and have only ever been, attracted to men. That is why it doesn't matter to me if women want to get angry and offended by what I think regarding this topic. I married a man. And he didn't mind one little bit that I wanted to know his sexual history. His opinion on this topic mattered, and still matters, to me. I'm not saying this to hurt your, or anyone else's, feelings, but I think it needs to be said.

 

Women are in no way obligated to agree with me (or each other) on this topic, because it DOES NOT MATTER whether we do or do not. I will continue thinking and feeling what I think and feel, and you will likely do the same. That is why I am not interested in trying to convince anybody of anything. When it comes to romantic relationships and personal values everyone must do what is right for THEM, regardless of whose feelings it hurts. Straight women have romantic relationships with men. THAT is the audience you will need to convince that your number is irrelevant, for it to actually matter in your personal life.

 

I am opposed to people, especially BW, making decisions for the sake of political correctness. Always do what is right for YOU, first and foremost. To hell with “fairness”! BW screw themselves every single day trying to be “fair” and giving people breaks so that they can feel saintly (or whatever it is) in the process. That is why so many BW end up with a-holes and losers who take advantage of them.

 

As for Tiger Woods, I know almost nothing about him. I am not someone who reads tabloids and follows online gossip sites; I'm just not that interested in celebrities. But it's highly possible that TW could have behaved the same way before he was married. It just would not have been profitable for the women he had sex with back then to out him, because he was a single man and who would care? Generally speaking, no one cares about a single man sleeping around, which is why you will probably never know if that was or was not the case. Not that it matters in the lives of anyone here. I think the likelihood of TW marrying a BW is slim to none. LOL.

 

The thing is, people rarely change, because change is very difficult. Just take a good look at all the people you have known who tried to lose weight and keep it off, or who tried to stop smoking. How many succeeded long-term? People don't simply stop being who they are, and have always been, because they got a ring and recited some vows. You can agree or disagree, but I doubt you can show me a multitude of examples to prove me wrong.

 

If you don't want to share your number with the men you date, DON'T. Simple as that. You do have a choice. Personally, I am not ashamed of having been with the men I was with before I married. They are all decent, hard-working, upstanding men, who shared my values, they simply were not the one. I have nothing bad to say about any of them. My husband has met two of my exes. I've met some of my husband's exes too. What I learned from those experiences led to my accepting his proposal.

 

“People don't have a right to know who you've shared your body to or how people you've been with. Its tacky IMO. There is no point in knowing irrelevant information that does not add to a relationship. It does nothing for the relationship.”

 

This is something you need only worry about convincing a man of. Particularly the one you wish to someday marry and start a family with. In the end, his will be the only opinion that counts.

Elegance 2096 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  BeautyIAM 

"This is something you need only worry about convincing a man of. Particularly the one you wish to someday marry and start a family with. In the end, his will be the only opinion that counts.'

 

EXACTLY!!! Women can make whatever judgements  about the type of person I am based on asking or being concerned about sex number (yes that is being judgemental while trying to convince us judging is wrong lol). But I truly hope that that perfect, impeccable, loving, one of a kind man you love isn't "tacky" and doesn't care about your number. He is the one you will have to convince that number doesn't matter and you may find out that he is like THE MAJORITY of men who do care about sex number and do believe it says something about a woman's sex character. 

 

Hey I wish sex number didn't matter to men, but that doesn't seem to be the reality. It's not like women like me made them think it was important. Men's attitudes have to change before I would ever advise a woman to sleep around. 

BeautyIAM 1270 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  BeautyIAM  Elegance 

 

That's why I said, "with all due  respect" because even thought I totally disagree with you, I'm RESPECT your opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just offering a different opinion. 

 

I only really left a response because of this comment

 

"I believe that men and women should both be wary of people who have racked up a large number of sexual partners if that behavior does not fit into their personal value system."

cocoababe 1578 pts

Neecy and Elegance, I think you have done more than enough to explain your POV. I seriously cannot stand when people pretend to be obtuse about these matters. if folks want to play dumb and take the victim route, that's on them.

 

For marriage-minded women my age (early 20s) a lot of your tips are being applied by my peers and its WORKING. Notice i said MARRIAGE-MINDED women. If you are not interested in a long-term relationship, then disregard all the advice about self-preservation and having boundaries.

 

anyways, thanks ladies!!!

 

Elegance 2096 pts

 cocoababe 

Thanks : ) I guess I just keep replying to this topic because I had no idea that women didn't ask or share their number so it's shocking to me. A long time ago in health I remember being told that it was important to know your partners sexual history because they more partners he is with the more likely it is he was exposed to an STD. I remember all the charts showing you are sleeping with all of your partner's partners. So out of habit I always have that discussion early on. I especially have it when guys say they are "very sexual". That usually means they sleep around a lot.

 

Finding out about the number is a gateway to a lot of other topics such as: what kind of women do you go for, how long have your relationships been, how long do you wait before doing it, did you use protection every time, what crazy and unusual things have you done, where have you done it, did you cheat with any of these women, do you prefer women who have more or less experience, did you find it fulfilling, do you need variety, how long have you been satisfied with one woman, did you have group sex and is that your thing...I could go on and on and on. You should know all this stuff before sleeping with someone or committing to them. 

 

The number leads to further questions. If a guy has only been with 10 there are fewer questions. 

EnJay 885 pts

 Elegance  cocoababe I understand what you're saying, and where you're coming from, even if I don't agree with you on some points.  I tend to be very frank in my discussions with people, and I can't imagine why I would ask a man "how many women have you slept with?" or "did you always use protection?" unless I was just being nosy.  My line of questioning is more about diseases, and current relationships with exes... stuff that could actually affect ME.  Some of those other things come up as you get to know the individual.  If you make it clear that you aren't into certain things, sexually, a question like "have you ever had group sex?" isn't really relevant in my opinion.  I would be offended if some guy asked me that, especially someone I was just getting to know.  But again, I do respect the fact that we are all different, and the best practices in a relationship are the ones that are working for you and your partner.

 

I would like to add that I find you to be earnest, and your points are interesting because a number of them are so divergent from mine and many of the people that I know.  I like to discuss ANYTHING, whether I agree or not, but I did get offended early on by all the mean-spirited talk about "sluts" and calling women masculine just because their brand of femininity isn't the same as yours.  

 

There are SO many ways to "be" a "woman," and the vast majority of us are doing the best that we can.  I believe that.

 

 

EnJay 885 pts

 cocoababe Self-preservation and having boundaries are always a good thing.  I encourage everyone to be mindful of both.

MySmile 4172 pts

I think it's a combination of the more extreme version of feminism and other factors (family structure, upbringing, environment). As much as we'd like to say that the behavior of one woman doesn't affect the dating scene for another, sometimes, it does....for example, there are a lot of women who spoil men and take care of them....they go dutch or they just pay for the guy too, they don't expect the guy to open doors, etc...I've actually met guys who said they were cautious about doing certain things because they weren't sure if the woman would like it (then again, that's no excuse..) I know everyone is different, but why do some women dislike when men try to be polite or chivalrous? Just because you can open the door for yourself doesn't mean you should want to or have to....If a man is used to women taking care of him, he definitely won't know how to take care of a woman. I haven't dealt with guys who wanted me to take care of them (save for a few losers in high school), but I have dealt with clueless guys who weren't rude or unwilling, but generally just had no idea what to do..either because nobody taught them, or nobody expected it...I shouldn't have to teach someone what to do...

 

BUT, then again, this whole argument may be null and void, because that's not the type of guy I want anyway...so they won't get much of my time these days.... All guys I've dated paid and most did the other gentleman like stuff because they wanted to and they already knew what I liked/ expected..In my opinion, guys should do these things anyway...I wish they would just assume all women had these expectations and play it safe! I also wish there were less of these lazy, emasculated (in my opinion) guys...I don't want to get catty with this at all though, because I know there are women out there who like those types of guys and don't see them as lazy or bums...but that's not me... I guess it works..helps me weed out the people I don't want..They're still there for the women who do want them...

Elegance 2096 pts

 MySmile "I wish they would just assume all women had these expectations and play it safe!"

 

Probably because the punishment for opening a door for someone who doesn't want it is harsher than the punishment for not doing so for a woman who likes it. In the former situation you could get a lecture and be accused of thinking the woman is weak. In the latter situation, the woman can kindly just ask for the behaviour. The men are trying to not offend women and they have been taught that chivalry is sexist and insulting. 

EnJay 885 pts

 Elegance  MySmile You know... I've never actually seen/ heard a woman respond to an opened door with "I CAN HOLD THE DOOR ON MY OWN!"  Ever.  

 

I have had the misfortune of having men walk in and not bother to hold the door, letting it slam in my face.  I think that's rude, whether there is a woman or a man behind them.  I hold the door for whomever is right behind me - I ain't gonna hold it open all DAY, but I'm certainly not going to let it slam in the face of the person right behind me. It doesn't cost anything to be considerate.  

onmywayup 1736 pts

 NicoleJButler  Elegance  MySmile "I have had the misfortune of having men walk in and not bother to hold the door, letting it slam in my face."

 

True. Ugh!

zabeth 817 pts

 NicoleJButler  Elegance  MySmile "You know... I've never actually seen/ heard a woman respond to an opened door with "I CAN HOLD THE DOOR ON MY OWN!"  Ever. " Me either. 

PoliticallyAware 84 pts

 NicoleJB  Elegance  MySmile

 I've been literally shoved out the way by men who wanted to get in the elevator first...losers!

EnJay 885 pts

 PoliticallyAware  Elegance  MySmile 

 

:o(  Very ugly behavior. 

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 PoliticallyAware  NicoleJB  Elegance  MySmile Multiple men have done that? That's horrible! As boring as the Midwest is, at least adult men don't behave like self-centered children.

EnJay 885 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  PoliticallyAware  Elegance  MySmile Yes, they do sometimes, in the midwest too.  I was born, raised, and college-educated in the midwest, and most of my family members are still there.

 

I think people in general have just become less considerate.

MySmile 4172 pts

 NicoleJB  "You know... I've never actually seen/ heard a woman respond to an opened door with "I CAN HOLD THE DOOR ON MY OWN!"  Ever."

 

Hey, I never said I've heard someone actually say that lol...I've just seen the looks some women give guys, like they're skeptical lol..and I was talking about women who don't like guys to do things for them in general because they believe there is always an ulterior motive....I hold the door for anyone who is behind me, also...and I've had the door slammed in my face plenty of times..some guys (and people in general) are just rude as hell!

EnJay 885 pts

 MySmile Oh, no - I wasn't saying that you said that at all.  I've just never seen or heard anyone be unhappy to have a door held for them.  I've seen some people not notice or even bother to say "thank you."

 

I did have a guy hold the door and stand in such a way that I would have had to squeeze past him (brushing up against him) in order to get through the door.  When I realized what was going on, I stood and stared at him.  He moved.  Weirdo.

MySmile 4172 pts

 NicoleJB Yea I definitely have ran into guys with ulterior motives who just want to cop a feel or get a close up as you walk by! That makes me uncomfortable...I don't mind guys looking at me, but not in a way where it is an invasion of privacy or super obvious!! It's okay for him to be attracted to you and think of doing that (we know what goes on in guy's heads), but he should have just kept it at that and he shouldn't have been so opportunistic

onmywayup 1736 pts

 MySmile "I know everyone is different, but why do some women dislike when men try to be polite or chivalrous? Just because you can open the door for yourself doesn't mean you should want to or have to"

 

I'm in complete agreement with that statement. I have seriously never understood why anyone become offended by that. Obviously he knows you can open the door; he's just being nice. Sheesh! That's something I will never get. 

EnJay 885 pts

 onmywayup  MySmile I've never seen a woman be offended by that.  I personally HAVE been offended when a man is doing something just so he can be lecherous.  It's disgusting.  Like when someone lets you walk in front of him, and before you get past him good he's staring at your butt.  I don't like that.  Or when a man does something nice, just so he can harrass you later.  Sometimes it's easier just to stay in my own little bubble, because it's hard to know what the motives are.

onmywayup 1736 pts

 NicoleJButler  MySmile I have, unfortunately. :/

 

I wasn't thinking of ulterior motives when I wrote that statement.  But I'm not a fan of that either--like when some men would pay for your dinner with the expectation that you will give them something that night. 

EnJay 885 pts

 onmywayup  MySmile Really?? What did she say?  How can you get nasty with someone who is doing something nice just to be nice?

 

Oh yes, I always offered to pay my own way with men I didn't know well.  Even now I'm careful about what seemingly benign gifts I will accept.  I always have my own money, because even guys that you THINK are nice can come out of a trick-bag on you.  "I bought you a steak."  "Okay, here's your $45. Bye."  *Hails cab*

onmywayup 1736 pts

 NicoleJB  MySmile A old acquaintance. She basically told him, "I don't need you to open the door for me!" But then...she had trust issues, so I guess she might have thought he had an ulterior motive.

 

Most women I know, however, would love it if a man would open the door for them. 

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 onmywayup  NicoleJB  MySmile Yes, normal women do love it. Men I have never seen before in my life (or since) open doors for me at the bank, stores, the library and I don't find it the least bit offensive. I don't understand women who are offended by good manners. Your friend needs to chill. Men are not the enemy.

EnJay 885 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  onmywayup  MySmile I think normal people appreciate it when anyone does something nice for them, but conditioning plays a large role.  If you are used to being in an environment where you have to look for someone's "angle," it could make you cynical.

 

Living that way would have to be very stressful, though.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 NicoleJB  onmywayup  MySmile A friend of mine suggested that manners -- face to face and phone etiquette be taught in school, and I think that would be great. It would improve social interactions for the next generation. But the chance of that happening are pretty slim. Many schools are cutting music and art programs. Her kids attend a private school, so she may have better luck getting an etiquette program started there.

EnJay 885 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  onmywayup  MySmile That's a great idea.  I actually have a friend who runs a non-profit program like that for girls in Chicago.  I commend her for it.  The boys need one too, because they clearly aren't getting everything they need at home.  I don't think their parents even know any better.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 NicoleJB  onmywayup  MySmile I don't think they do either. I think it's great what your friend is doing. She should be commended. And yes, boys need to learn this stuff to. I wish public schools were able to offer such a class to students.

MySmile 4172 pts

 NicoleJB  "Oh yes, I always offered to pay my own way with men I didn't know well.  Even now I'm careful about what seemingly benign gifts I will accept.  I always have my own money, because even guys that you THINK are nice can come out of a trick-bag on you.  "I bought you a steak."  "Okay, here's your $45. Bye."  *Hails cab*"

 

I don't pay my own way, but I DO bring my own money (that's a given though, I bring my wallet everywhere)..I don't expect that to happen, but it's basic precautions...so that is a smart move

MySmile 4172 pts

 onmywayup  NicoleJButler "like when some men would pay for your dinner with the expectation that you will give them something that night. "

Yeah, there are people out there who will try to take advantage of you, use you, get over on you, whatever you want to call it. I've actually had this happen to me..a guy (black) took me to the movies and thought he was getting some!!, He kept trying to feel on me during the movie...He was hinting at me coming over his place afterwards and when he found out he wasn't getting it, but I told him I would still come over to watch tv or just hang out (not sure why I said that, if that was me today I'd want nothing to do with him) all of a sudden his room was too dirty for me to come over lol! That's why I'm usually prepared to deal with bad situations (if I don't know them well...I'll have money for a cab ), but I don't come into the date assuming they will be like that. I've also had a guy (white) who claimed he didn't have any money to take me out, yet he always wanted to come to my dorm room and attempt to have sex with me (glad I didn't let him!)...He tried to bring me a piece of candy (yes, one piece, in a little box..I think it was a sample) the day after valentines day (v-day I had plans with my single friends), thinking he would get some (he tried to be really smooth about it)....dang, I dealt with some losers in the past..I was way too nice...I know guys with the wrong motives are everywhere! I just try not to have a chip on my shoulder from these experiences (it is a challenge, at times).

PamelaFoster 604 pts

 MySmile    

 That story is freakin hilarious...what a low life loser!!

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 MySmile  onmywayup  NicoleJButler WOW. When you said you have had bad experiences with men you weren't exaggerating at all. LOL at the piece of candy. What a loser!