Brenda’s Rebuttal to Bloggers Who Take Jabs at Black Women Who Prefer Interracial Dating

Brenda’s Rebuttal to Bloggers Who Take Jabs at Black Women Who Prefer Interracial Dating

“We on sites like this one want better than misery. We are not dumb, we have eyes and we know what we have been through and what so many of our fellow black women are going through. We question the reasons why and attempt to set a course of action to live full and happy lives on our own terms. We want no parts of the grand delusion that others attempt to sell to us. We know better.”

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Brenda wanted to comment on this post, but decided she had a lot to say. –CK

Lets face it.  Most of the women writing ridiculous articles like the one featured here that was written by black female bloggers are not written in a vacuum.  All media, academic and census reports aside, these authors have sisters, girlfriends, co-workers, fellow students, churchgoers etc. who are having a difficult time finding and getting a ring out of their chosen IBM.

What we have here is a subset of black women whom I feel are charlatans because they know full well what current imbalance regarding the number of available and marriageable black men means for black women because many of them live it or have women close to them living it.

Ask yourself just how many of the women who write tripe like that written by these women are themselves married or even close to it. Of the women who proclaim loudly the wonders of Black Love tm, How many are jump offs and multi-year string a longs? How many are  single moms who want to marry their child’s dad but can’t because he won’t commit?  How many are sharing their man with another woman? How many have not had anything close to a date in years when they are posting their grand statements on whatever blog will accept the submission. How many are “port wives” who only see their man when he is in town? How many are mistresses who have to keep their relationships on the DL so his wife, if he even really has one, does not find out?  How many of these NBABM women who claim that they have a “Good Black Man” are actually in one of the situations above? How many married down and are now supporting their families and the one he brought with him all the while attempting to make him presentable to be seen in public during social and business functions? How many are women playing the waiting game while their man serves out his sentence in various parts of the criminal justice system?

So what is the difference between the aforementioned and women like ourselves?

The difference is that the aforementioned  cannot for a variety of reasons be it preference, obligation, solidarity, cowardice, lack of imagination, fear etc bring themselves to widen their options and consider a man outside of their race as a candidate for husband. They state  they cannot fathom why we can. I think it is more than that.

Rather than admit that they are not successful in finding the quality of man they want, that they are disappointed in the man they chose to settle for they spend their time attempting to throw shade on women who fully exercise their right to date and marry who they want to. They need that precious shade to hide just how less than satisfying up their own situations are.

Most folks do not like being told that they are wrong, that they have misread a situation or that the life choices that they have made are a failure.  They do not like  to question belief systems that they have been raised with even when the current situation demands it. They do not like being made to look like fools for sitting around waiting  for a situation to improve when it never will and then finding out too late that they are left holding the short end of the stick. The do not want to believe  that despite all evidence to the contrary that what they thought was right, what they were taught believe is no longer relevant and wrong and no longer works. Basically women like this are attempting to put the best face on a lousy situation by putting lipstick on the back end of a pig and then trying to convince others that all is well in Black Love tm land when they know full well it is not.

Now some women will indeed read the words written by these bloggers and embrace them.  They have to, since they validate their own world view and current situations. What they do not want to consider are viewpoints, like the ones found on BWE and IRR blogs that are contrary to their own life situation. Seeing what blogs like these have to say and discovering black women who have made successful lives for themselves by dating and marrying non-black men is unsettling and causes these women to question the validity and quality of their own lives.  One does not have to question a less than satisfying situation when all are equally miserable.

We on sites like this one want better than misery. We are not dumb, we have eyes and we know what we have been through and what so many of our fellow black women are going through. We question the reasons why and attempt to set a course of action to live full and happy lives on our own terms. We want no parts of the grand delusion that others attempt to sell to us.  We know better. We will speak about what we know.  We will blog about what we know we will tell our stories. We will live our lives our way without reservation.

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BWWithOtherBrothers 421 pts

Well. I'm into the 4th month of experimentally being the admin of a nonconformist swirl page for BW. Amazing, really. One has to be very firm with naysayers. Like, totally block them ignore them don't respond nor give them a platform to respond (or so I believe). They all say the same brainwashed nonsense. Its hilarious when they've posted a thesis (anti BWIRR), I delete without responding then they send a private message calling me biased, lol. Whew, they are nuts.  Of course, I don't reply to their pm's.                                                                                                                                            

Also many think its their right to lecture BW about our choices or to chime in about 'the good BM'.

One thing this swirl page experiment has taught me - conformist freaks don't want us to swirl and they don't love us. The men NEVER  mention loving us. Never! BW you're free, you've been free. So free yourself and date who you want. However I do advise not debating with anybody about your choices.

Toni_M 18752 pts moderator

 BWWithOtherBrothers *monotone voice* How dare you be biased in favor of what to do with your body and love life. It's totally fair and reasonable to let other people dictate to you your life decisions.

 

....

 

Some people are just out of their minds. :/

jillodelight 516 pts

@Brenda55 I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my comment after, Patricia Kayden (I'm not a black man) I don't see BW (myself)  as bottom of the totem pole and I wasn't attacking anyone.  I wasn't saying non-BM aren't attracted to BW, I was basically agreeing with her saying NBABM women focus non-BM who specifically aren't attracted to BW to avoid dating other races of men.  I wasn't starting a debate about BW's desirability.


Moderator's Note.

We're good.

ms. d 192 pts

I was talking to a friend who was like," do you still want to date white men?" Because for a while I was anti-black men. Now, I just want to date any man that asks me out. Lately that's been Indian and Latino men. If a black man ever asked me out(correctly) I'd want to date them too. I rocks with whoever rocks with me. 

Blackberry 1177 pts

@nieshasdavis "Now, I just want to date any man that asks me out" Haha! But seriously that is practical, he likes you, you like him = date. Probably the best way to stop being single.

iHeartLove 804 pts

Cosign!

 

Can I cosign an entire post? haha :D

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 iHeartLove Yes, that's perfectly fine :P

NewMaya 265 pts

  I was telling my girlfriend the other day that with all of the beautiful, single, smart, accomplished, black women walking around, they are eventually going to become a hot commidity.  Her response, no they are not.  Racism is too bad. You just cant win with some people!

DWB 7329 pts

 NewMaya Thank you. That was always my response (before I knew about sites like this) when I heard or read these stories about successful, college-educated black women being single ... obviously somebody's gonna take notice of what they're missing and try to win the heart of these amazing women ... and I still hold that position.

NewMaya 265 pts

 DWB

If a black man can become POTUS, anything is possible. lol 

FriendsofJay 1817 pts

 NewMaya But if a non-BM asks you out, I don't really think he's a racist.  Think about that.

NewMaya 265 pts

 FriendsofJay

 No, no.  My point was that people say that you will never see lots of wm with bw.  They also said that there would never be a black president in their lifetime.  So what I meant was if a black man can become president, dont be so suprised when you start seeing lots more bw/wm relationships out there.

Tammy_Ghalden 861 pts

I'm open to dating men of all ethnic backgrounds because I have found men of all ethnic backgrounds attractive. If you are truly and absolutely only attracted to black men, you will have to face some facts. You will have to accept that there is a good chance you will never get married or that you will when you're middle aged. That's when a lot of black men will probably be divorced and looking for another partner.

 

I have posted these statistics before, but they are so important for everyone to see. There are 1.8 million more black women than black men. About 10% of black men in their 20s and early 30s are incarcerated. About a quarter of the black men who have married in recent years are marrying non-black women and that share has been increasing. About a fifth of black men who are cohabitating are cohabitating with non-black women. There are more gay men than women. If you want a college graduate or at least a high school graduate, the disparities get even worse.

MySmile 4172 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden "If you are truly and absolutely only attracted to black men, you will have to face some facts. You will have to accept that there is a good chance you will never get married or that you will when you're middle aged. That's when a lot of black men will probably be divorced and looking for another partner"

 

Exactly. These people will be facing some harsh realities. I hate to be so negative, but if  you are only attracted to bm or will only date them 9 times out of 10 (okay, maybe 8 or 7..idk) you will end up alone, a single mother, and/or in a dead end relationship. That's just the reality of the situation. I've seen it with my own eyes too many times to believe otherwise...Plus, as you stated, the statistics can back me up.

 

When I was little, I never knew being attracted to wm (well, back then, boys) could be beneficial in a way....I don't feel the burden that a NBABM woman feels (the feeling that you must hold it down for the black race and not even entertain the idea of being with a wm). In middle and high school I was on that path, knowing I was attracted to white guys too..I just didn't take the white guys who liked me seriously :-/ and I was embarrassed about liking some of them....I guess I cared too much about what others thought..plus I was going through my bad boy phase...glad that's over!!!

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden I've always had that stand point as well. There are men of all races and ethnicities that I've found attractive. There was a point in time when I did not consider color at all, all I wanted was a partner suitable for me. Since I didn't really date at all until I met my boyfriend, I would easily jump from a white crush to a black crush to a Hispanic to an Asian crush and think nothing of it. 

 

What made me decide to focus all of my attention on non-black men for serious romantic relationships isn't even the thugs or hoodlums or too many bad outcomes with relationships with black men (because as I said, I never really even had any). What spurned this decision is the black men that claim they are "good" men but they are the ones taking these black women that deserve a lot more than running them ragged. And then they turn around and get on Youtube and blogs and what not and talk about how they don't want black women because they're {inset laundry list here}. How they're five seconds away from swearing off black women for good and justify what they are doing  by saying, if they really didn't care they wouldn't say anything. Or they get on these mediums and say they don't like black women for anything other than sex and only go to white and Hispanic women for serious relationships. 

 

After I discovered things like that, I found it very hard to look at black men the same way. It scared the shit out of me honestly. I was terrified that if I continued to include black men in my dating options that I would end up like one of these women - doing everything that you're supposed to do and still ending up screwed over in the end. Then I found sites like BBW and the rest as they say is history.

Alana 2 387 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden  Right, and what % of married BM have BW wives who are not dark-skinned?

Brenda55 19292 pts moderator

Ladies and Gentlemen.   An example of the best rebuttal of all the to NBABM  women and their blog posts.

Keep to yo kangs cause yo all ain't stopping a thang. 

Congratulation to the new  bride and groom

 

 

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/10/audra-mcdonald-marries-will-swenson-in-small-ceremony.html

 

luckystar428 208 pts

 Brenda55

 Good for her! My mom absolutely LOVES her :)

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

If these NBABM women were so happy, why would they worry about who strangers marry?  What difference does it make to them whether some random Black woman dates/marries a non-Black man?

emmerdale94 141 pts

 Patricia Kayden THIS. This is exactly what I ask myself all the time. 

FriendsofJay 1817 pts

I've commented a number of times on the almost suicidal mindset that some BW have about dating out.  It still mystifies me.   Ladies on this blog have tried to reason with them.  I've tried to reason with a few myself.  It seldom works.   Why would an attractive BW with so much to gain (a happy life, a husband who truly loves her, a home and children) not want to make the best life she could have for herself?  You'd think self-interest alone would save her from herself.  I call this suicidal or self-destructive, but these women seem to live in that make believe world where their black prince will actually arrive some day.  The real heartbreak and betrayal for these women is that the BC, many of their friends, and BM especially, encourage them to remain martyrs.  In Verdi's opera "Aida" there is a ballet in the second act which has the captured Ethiopian slaves dancing in a joyous way.  Opera lovers derisively call it the "dance of the happy slaves."  I wonder if this NBBM fantasy isn't something like that.

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

 FriendsofJay To be fair, there are lots of non-Black men who make it clear that they will date all races except Black women (see discussions here about online dating).  I guess there may be some Black women who use that as an excuse to stick to Black men.

 

My advice is to not have the "suicidal mindset" that you refer to.  Just be happy and date whoever you want. 

jillodelight 516 pts

 Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay Yeah, the majority of non-BM in America, like BM, worship at the alter of straight hair and light skin: that's just the American mindset I think.  America isn't exactly diverse when it comes to beauty.  I think this is why Asian, Hispanic, and Native American women have it easier because their only slightly different from WW.  Coming from a BM or non-BM,"I like all women but BW just means I like all women so long as their WW or kinda look like WW."  Harsh, but it's so true lol  It is their preference but I've never been attracted to men who basically follow the crowd in taste, so I'm not sure why BW get upset when they hear these men.  I'm really into WM who really like BW, so that's who I focus on (Afroromance  woo!).  Crazy, right? lol  I'm also really confident that I'll find a quality WM as well: Yep, I'm biased, I do think WM who like BW are just better lol

Toni_M 18752 pts moderator

 jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay "I'm really into WM who really like BW, so that's who I focus on (Afroromance  woo!). "

 

LOL, seriously. Why fixate on who doesn't want you? It's common sense not to go there.

VictoriaAntoine 436 pts

 jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay  It is harsh thats shows I don't have no hope with non black men, I don't fit into the european standard beauty

 

jillodelight 516 pts

 VictoriaAntoine  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay Don't lose hope! I'm still friendly and I flirt with most men (if their not creepy of course lol).  Remember, we've all heard stories of non-BM whose BW girlfriends/wives are the only BW they've been in a relationship with.  Some men just don't know they like BW until they find one they like.

Toni_M 18752 pts moderator

 VictoriaAntoine  jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay http://www.blackfemaleinterracialmarriage.com/

 

Scroll through the articles and look at the pictures. You'd be surprised how many BW getting married to non-BM DON'T have those features. Or you shouldn't be surprised because beauty is in the eye of the beholder ultimately, and it's up to the individual to determine what the love of their life will look like. 

 

 

Statuesque 1736 pts

 VictoriaAntoine  jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay @VictoriaAntoine:  If you are saying that you don't have a chance with non Black men because you don't fit a European standard of beauty, I respectfully disagree.  It's just. Not. True.  First of all, most White women don't fit the standard of beauty you are alluding to, yet I see countless short, plus sized, brown haired, pale women with husbands.  Second of all, non Black men who are attracted to Black women generally (or to YOU specifically) actually like the way they look!! Men are visual creatures.  If they like you, they like the way you look.  Every woman here with experience dating non Black  men can tell you without hesitation or exaggeration that it is their skin tone, hair texture, facial features and body shape that are appreciated by these men.  Maybe it was a surprise to some of them and maybe others never questioned it.  

 

One of the most satisfying aspects of my relationships with non Black men (White and Latino in my case) has been just how much they appreciate me for precisely who I am - physically and emotionally.  They don't look at me and think I need to change, or think I am beautiful "for a dark girl."  If you haven't experienced this yet, I hope you do soon.  It will remove forever the notion that your blackness is a hindrance to being loved and accepted.

 

Let's keep this in perspective:  There is nothing new under the sun. Swirling has been around for thousands of years.  It preceded anything negative in our current-day issues with race.  It is completely NATURAL and NORMAL for a human male to be attracted to a human female.  We are getting back to the natural order of things and unlearning all of these pathologies that racism, colorism, slavery, colonialism etc. have taught us.

 

Sorry for going on and on, I just had a strong reaction to what you said.

 

 

NewMaya 265 pts

 Toni_M  jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay

 

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NewMaya 265 pts

 Toni_M  jillodelight    

 If you look at VictoriaAntoine's comments after jillodelight's comments, you can see the effects of jillodelights comments.  Her comments are toxic. You should ban any other black woman from coming on here with that low self-esteem, bottom of the totem pole, non black men dont want me mess.  Im still not convinced that jillidelight is  is not a black man coming on here trying to mess with these girls self esteem..



Moderator's  Note.

At this time I am not seeing a problem with either poster. 

I find that their comments are directed at themselves and their own experience and

not towards other black women posting on the site.

As such they are not in violation of the TOS and will stand.

Thank-you,

Brenda55

NewMaya 265 pts

 Statuesque  VictoriaAntoine  jillodelight  Patricia Kayden  FriendsofJay

 Statuesque, it is just her low self esteem that she is projecting onto other people.

FriendsofJay 1817 pts

 Statuesque  VictoriaAntoine  jillodelight  Patricia Kayden

 

Statuesque, you right on all accounts!

 

First the face of America used to be WASP-ish: fair skin, blue eyes, straight hair.   It's not anymore.  Time Magazine ran a feature on "The New Face of America" ten years ago.  Immigration has changed that face to slightly darker skin, different textures of hair and a more eastern European look.  I'm told we WASP will be in the minority by 2020 or 2025.  I say it all for the better.

 

Secondly, white or any non-BM who likes BW likes them BECAUSE of the way they look.  Never forget that.  We enjoy that difference!

 

 

MySmile 4172 pts

 Patricia Kayden  "To be fair, there are lots of non-Black men who make it clear that they will date all races except Black women (see discussions here about online dating).  I guess there may be some Black women who use that as an excuse to stick to Black men"

 

I actually think this is a huge part of it...thinking non bm don't want anything to do with black women. People use those instances where that is true to justify being nbabm. Sure, there are a lot of guys who won't date bw, but all non black men are not the same. There are a lot of guys out there. Some people just don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Plus, some think "If Bm don't want bw, then I know wm definitely don't"  In one of my classes, a girl said she was upset about black men dating white women because black women are already at the bottom and if black men don't like us then who will? This other girls were like "Some Hispanic guys love them some black women" but nobody dared to bring up wm or am..I feel like a lot of girls aren't even aware that there are a lot of non black men out there who are attracted to bw...and when they do see it, they think it's rare or weird...

NewMaya 265 pts

 MySmile  Patricia Kayden

It is only natural that it would take a little longer because.... well... black women take a little longer with everything.  I even heard a black guy say it once, that it is inevitable that black women will start dating out like everyone else.  I used to go out with a white guy in NYC and when we would go out in Manhattan, we would see more black women with white men than the opposite.  When it happens it is going to be sooooo good.  I am with a black man and I love him but I am very pro bw interracial marriage....very. I think that it makes black relationships better and if my relationship does not work out, I would not date anymore brothers period.   I think that I will probably be married when it gets good but I will probably be like so many black men already married to black women, they seem to think that they are missing out on something with their black brothers dating out.  I have been out with married black men and seen them admiring black men while they are out with white girls.

 
Toni_M 18752 pts moderator

 NewMaya  MySmile  Patricia Kayden I'm glad you edited out the disclaimer because I was gonna say, you don't need it here. Being able to love and date who you want means just that. :)

 

Best wishes to you! o/

Brenda55 19292 pts moderator

 FriendsofJay Jay my dad always says that when it comes to matters of the heart commonsense goes right out the window.

 

 

The heart wants what the heart wants and for most black women that is a black man. 

I am cooler than cool with that.

What I am not cool with are these women attempting to rain on my parade.(que Babs Streisand) 

 

Now I am going to be perfectly honest with you. Even if the vast majority of black men were to cream of the crop there would still be a subset of black women who would want a non-black man and would be well within her right to pursue her desire. There is a subset of every race and culture who looks over the fence, sees someone different than they, digs them and then what's to hook up with that person.

 

Remember. The growth in IRR is not just happening among black women. All races are mixing at greater rates. 

People of all types who want to are mixing because they can and the social restriction have loosened markedly allowing them to make the choice they want..

 

The naysayers have not figured out is that the war is over. Date Who You Want. (Shameless plug) Marry who you want.  The naysayers don't like it and can and will express it but the deal is done.  They cannot stop anything.

 

With all due respect to this wonderful blog the vast majority of black women who are in IRR are not reading this blog. ( We endeavor the change that)  However they are hooking up with non-black men anyway. A lot of us hooked up with our non-black man years ago. Many hooked up decades ago when the social sanctions were much more rigidly enforced.  Nothing was stopped. 

 

There comes a point however that adults make up their own minds and have the gust to make a choice and stand by it.  If you knuckle under to peer pressure and live the life someone else dictates for you then you deserve the consequences of that decision. Many women in the so called BC find themselves in that situation and they are the only ones who can extract themselves.  That choice it theirs alone. It is always about choice.

Black women can make any choice they want to.  Including ones that others deem pathological.

 

I do not worry much about the black women who are NBABM. I am more concerned with the black women who do want to date an marry a non-black man. Part of the reason I am here is to offer guidance, insight,assistance and the truth to those women who have pretty much already made up their mind to pursue  an IRR. 

 

Finally, Jay I love my Verdi as much as you do. Check this out. Sends chills up and down my spine every time I hear it.

'Va pensiero'' - Verdi Nabucco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vORBLyGEozo&feature=related

 

Joyce345 1738 pts

 FriendsofJay 

I tend to think these women are in denial. Some truths are just too difficult to face. They don't want to face the reality that there are SOME bm who denigrate bw purely because they are black and uplift ww (or lighter skinned women) purely because they are fair skinned and for no other reason.

NewMaya 265 pts

Real story:  I worked with a very physically beautiful black woman years ago.  She was kinda medium to dark brown,naturally long hair, nice features, beautiful teeth, nice shape dressed really well carried herself in a really classy way  (think Kenya Moore tribe).  However, she had a really negative side and could suck the air out of the room.  She dated a black guy for 17 years.  He started dating and planning a wedding with a nonblack woman while she was still his girlfriend.  So he broke up with her and announces that he is getting married in two weeks.  Now I actually know three beautiful (not average) show piece looking black women that this happened to with black men.  They were with black men who were planning weddings with other women while being in longterm relationships with them.  It is more common than you think.   Anyway back to the first girl.  A lot of white guys were in love with her.  I mean white guys who would not give the average black women a second look.  She was a hot girl and knew how to turn on the charm.  She was trained well.   So another guy who worked with us (a good looking white guy) after knowing her for years asks her to go out.  She says yes.  After dinner, he proclaims his love for her.  Guess what?  She shoots him down.  She is a NBABM sister.   This is the black woman who could have any white guy that she wanted based on looks alone and she only wants a brother.   I dont know if she was negative back then because of what she might have been going through with her boyfriend or what.  I am sure high quality white men approach her all the time cause she is very well put together and polished.  BM would really get pissed off if they saw her with a white man.   She is still single and dating a low quality black man.  The first black man was pretty successful, up and coming.

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Brenda55 19292 pts moderator

 NewMaya This exact thing happened to a cousin of mine while she was pregnant with the guys kid. He was married.  She was having an affair with him.  Unknown tt her he was also having an affair with a WW at the same time. He left his wife and...you guessed it married the WW.

 

He met with my cousin to break the news when she was 6 months along.  He has never seen his son which my cousin raised alone. All matters of child support were handled by third parties since he did not want his new wife to know about his concurrent affair with my cousin and the resulting child.  My cousin is now 60 and has never married.

 

 

Toni_M 18752 pts moderator

 Brenda55  NewMaya ...Wow.

NewMaya 265 pts

 Brenda55

What a sad, depressing story. 

MySmile 4172 pts

 Brenda55  

"This exact thing happened to a cousin of mine while she was pregnant with the guys kid. He was married.  She was having an affair with him.  Unknown tt her he was also having an affair with a WW at the same time. He left his wife and...you guessed it married the WW. He met with my cousin to break the news when she was 6 months along."

 

Wow, this exactly like my oldest sister's situation, except for the dude was already married to the WW (she was pregnant at the same time as my sister...plus, they already had like 3 older children) and my sister had to show up at his house just to find out he was really living with his wife and not his cousin like he said (even so, a man pushing 40 still living with his cousin...ummm..nahh..I'll pass) ..She is now 35 with two children from two different men. I'm not sure if my sister is NBABM because I've never asked (I'm closer to my other sister)... She's dated white guys before, but more of the Robin Thicke/ Jon B (anybody remember him?) types...and more recently she joked that she likes her men chocolate (both of her children's fathers look similar). I really hope my sister finds someone.. I've heard her express how much she wants to be married and it upsets/ saddens me. I don't care if he's chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, etc..just let the next one be a good one. My grandmother had a man living with her for about 30 years...He never married her and when he died he didn't leave her a dime.....My  aunt has lived with a man on and off for several years and has grown children from the man...yet, he never put a ring on it. :-/ I've seen this story play out time and time again...I'm really tired of it. :-/

jillodelight 516 pts

 MySmile  Brenda55 Another thing I wonder after hearing SO MANY of these stories: It seems like BW focus so much on the pomp surrounding successful BM that they ignore the fact that the majority of these men are just plain cold, mean and unethical.  It seems like a college degree, money or both just brings out the worst in them.  It seems like a lot of BW resent successful BM going after non-BW but usually after hearing the BM speak or watching his actions I'm thinking "Why are you mad? This guy isn't even a nice person." 

 

*sigh*  The commitment phobia and unwillingness to break the cycle makes me completely unsympathetic to BM's "problems".  Who cares if mean "successful" BM opt out of community building, but the men who "stay" could at least build a legacy for their children.  I do sometimes wonder why, out of all the men, we got stuck with men who are just plain anti-community.  I can't stand when liberals and black  intelligentsia say racism is the cause of failure in the black community.  Uh, no, it fails b/c the only thing the majority BM are committed to are their penises. *breathes out* Sorry, I just hate how BW are being treated so badly :/

MySmile 4172 pts

 jillodelight  Brenda55  "It seems like BW focus so much on the pomp surrounding successful BM that they ignore the fact that the majority of these men are just plain cold, mean and unethical.  It seems like a college degree, money or both just brings out the worst in them."

 

The bad part is, a lot of these guys aren't even successful...the guys most of women shack up with aren't...BUT you have an excellent point...It's been said here before....all this talk about how bw want a good black man blew so called successful black men's heads up...and has a lot of men who really aren't that good walking around like they're a prize smh. That's why you can't just get with someone who looks good on paper. Some women will deal with whatever from a man if he has a good job/lucrative (don't know if I'm using it correctly, but I like the word) career, a nice car, a nice home, he's a nice dresser, he has a six pack, swag, or some other nice but shallow characteristic...since when did that alone determine whether someone is a good person? Bw have emotions too, and I think the biggest problem, even moreso than a lot of bw dealing with no good, broke losers, is that black women's emotional needs are not being met.

 

"I do sometimes wonder why, out of all the men, we got stuck with men who are just plain anti-community." 

I definitely feel what you're saying, but at least we aren't truly STUCK with them haha..that'd be a nightmare if we didn't have the freedom of choice...

MySmile 4172 pts

 jillodelight  oh yeah, and I wasn't saying swag is a nice characteristic lol...I was just saying that matters to some bw...they will only date a wm with swag... (a bm) told me my ex boyfriend (white) had the swag of an old Jewish man...like WTF? Who cares about someone's swag? it's silly that so many (GROWN) black men really think swag matters in a relationship!!! Plus, that implies that only someone with swag can handle or be with a black woman. I don't even have "swag" lol so why would that be important for a potential mate?

mahogany 480 pts

      

"I definitely feel what you're saying, but at least we aren't truly STUCK with them haha..that'd be a nightmare if we didn't have the freedom of choice..."

 

Excellent. Excellent. Excellent.  Freedom of choice is where its happening.

 

NewMaya 265 pts

 Brenda55

 Sometimes these types of men have bad luck after a while it catches up.

Joyce345 1738 pts

 Brenda55  NewMaya 

 

Oh dear. The entire problem between AAW and AAM can be summed up as a lack of reciprocity.