Are the Brits Down with the Swirl? YES.

Are the Brits Down with the Swirl? YES.

Turning heads, coy smiles, and sudden attempts at conversation: things I experience everyday down in London. I’m going to answer the question I’m sure all of you have been wondering. Are the Brits down for the swirl? YES, ladies. And the desire is strong.

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Turning heads, coy smiles, and sudden attempts at conversation: things I experience everyday down in London. I’m going to answer the question I’m sure all of you have been wondering. Are the Brits down for the swirl? YES, ladies. And the desire is strong.

(added by Christelyn, because she thought it would be funny.)

No, I’m not talking about the kind of attention you want to avoid. No cat calls, puckered lips, or hissing coming from the mouths of the less than desirable. From what I can tell it’s not a fetish but a diverse pallet that the majority of Londoners share.

Throughout the city it is quite obvious that the Brits don’t have a set “type” like most Americans do. Here in America I can almost guess to the eyelash what type of preference someone has after talking to them for five minutes. But the Brits? They always keep me guessing.

In England the swirling isn’t limited to vanilla and chocolate. I have seen all types of people from all over the globe in a relationship with each other in London. It was clear that the Black women didn’t have to fear when they were not approached by a Black male. Every Black mother I have come into contact with proudly holds hands with her biracial daughter.

But what limits Americans from thinking in the same terms? The argument can be made that London is a Metropolitan city, where swirling is not uncommon. But I have a different theory.

In America, color often (wrongly) dictates the expected commonalities we have between one another.  Americans think of themselves in terms of White, Black, Yellow, Brown, or Red.

For example, when is the last time you met someone who identified themselves as primarily Norwegian? And in the rare case that this would happen, what characteristics would you expect this person to have? In America we don’t usually think in these ethnic terms. We think in basic terms of color.

It is hard for the British to think strictly in terms of color, because their respective countries of origin are so close. In Great Britain even the various Western European countries are known to have their own distinctive ways of life and traditions, and many citizens still feel attached to them. Here there is no guarantee or expectation that you will have something in common with all the people of your race. Therefore, being in a relationship with someone of a different race is not that different than being in a relationship with someone of a different ethnicity.

According to the UK newspaper the Independent, mixed race children are becoming a significant portion of the UK population:

On current trends, mixed-race babies will soon outnumber those born to black couples in Britain. The last census showed that people of mixed race make up the third-largest minority group behind Indians and Pakistanis. But with half of them aged 16 or younger, they are the fastest growing. In time, people of mixed race will become Britain’s largest ethnic minority.

It is very refreshing to be in a place that takes advantage of their diverse surroundings. And hey, I don’t mind the attention;) Reason #17383272 to move to London.

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Kingdomofgrayskull 9 pts

I live in London and British men, Europeans in general are very open minded when it comes to dating interracially. I am an American expat and my partner is a white Englishman. We are getting married next year and I have to say that I have not had any issues about my relationship over here. I find that European men just like beautiful women...and they do enjoy learning about different cultures. The idea of being with someone who is different from you is exciting. My fiancée and I talk about our differences, but also our similarities. The differences are small and really do not matter...in the end people are people. I myself am the result of generations of interracial love...so I'm all for it. I get compliments on my skin colour all the time, told I'm beautiful daily and to most men over here I am just a beautiful women 1st...American 2nd...black last. It's not important to them. Obviously I'm not saying relocate because there are white, black, Asian, Hispanic men in th US who will cherish you.... but I think just by being more open minded in your city and realising that the world is full of handsome, intriguing men of all colours is a good thing. I think it's silly to limit yourself, so try love out on the next sweet guy you meet. Look at him as a man first, colour last. Black women take a lot of flak from everyone...including black men, so sometimes it's hard to realise that we are desirable to many men. Don't be fooled thinking that no one wants us. I was beating men ( of all colours) off with a stick in the US and also here in Europe. So ladies please believe its white, black, Asian, Hispanic men in th US who definitely want you! Maybe you aren't noticing them or giving them a fair shot. I would like to see all black women just have an open heart. Just by being open to love then you are already putting yourself in the path to being more loving towards yourself, but also finding a man...no matter the colour, who deserves you and will treat you the way you deserve. Life Is short, so live and love without fear.

Toni_M 20122 pts moderator

 Kingdomofgrayskull Congrats on your upcoming wedding. :)

Seenyc 830 pts

VintageNarcissa made this comment on another thread

 

"Honestly, hearing this story reminds me of the chain letter written by a white American girl talking about her experiences in like England or something. She couldn't understand why all the men there were more interested in her black friends than her, because she's so used to being the center of attention in the states while her black friends are second string."

 

I had been thinking about that letter,  from a few years back, while I was reading the post and comments. I  recall that it was in London that the white girl was passed over for the black girl. I will admit, I took a twisted delight in hearing that story. TeeHee!

melissamak007 264 pts

Oh, and I am just finishing the book Don't Bring Home A White Boy by Karyn Langhorne Folan. Very interesting, and funny with a lot of good, true points. I could go on and on. BUT towards the end she gives a few of the IR (Black woman, White man) couples that gave their input a chance to say more about themselves. One of the ladies states that she dated "a lot of British guys" before meeting and, marrying her husband.She moved to London and dated more British guys. She made an interesting comment about while being there and thinking "Wow I can actually date whoever I want and no one cares." Ummhmmm... I hope everyone is having a beautiful holiday!!!

R. Kamaria 854 pts

When I was just a young lass, I was intrigued by this video. lol. The swirl hit me. lol. My boyfriend's dad was born near London and he has a few relatives who live there. We're hoping to visit them later next year. I've never been to Europe so I'm sooooo looking forward to it. 

AminahMatthews 603 pts

Has anyone ever been to Barnes, London?

zaianewms 35 pts

I cant wait to get out of America- the white men here are afraid of their own shadows and watch too much television. 

PhillyGirl 239 pts

Heading to London for Christmas & New Years hoping to have a GREAT TIME

tracyreneejones 4093 pts

 duranduran 

@SimonJCLeBON (Simon Le Bon) 

@thisistherealJT (John Taylor) 

@AnnieLennox (who talks to her Twitter followers) 

@BoyGeorge (His make up is to die for....) 

 simplyredhq 

 tearsforfears 

@petshopboys (the Pet Shop Boys) 

@aha_com (Aha...who are.....not British but still sexy) 

 billyidol 

 philcollinsfeed 

 davidbowiereal 

 

Chile...

 

Alana 2 394 pts

Spain is offering residency for foreigners who buy a home there for more than 160 euros ($210,800 USD). It's unclear whether it would include EU residency as well. I wonder if it's possible for a group of people to jointly buy a home as an investment or rental property. If so, this would be a great way for internationally-oriented BW to be eligible for residency and better jobs in the UK!

 

http://www.news.com.au/realestate/investing/foreign-property-buyers-offered-residency/story-fndbarft-1226520952618

Toni_M 20122 pts moderator

 Alana 2 Sounds interesting. Thanks for posting!

DU2 2440 pts

Niala my friend Fleace Weaver (Black girl travel) said when she is in ital they see her as american not african, black, etc american. I remember hearing a while back about the french being in an uproar about a promoter wanting to do a "Miss Black France" pageant. They did not get the separation, not that there is not some  bias, but they saw all french people as french regardless of color. I think more black women should travel abroad  I was in England in 2008 and I want to go back!

niala.charles 98 pts

 DUsher  It makes sense! You can tell more about a person based on their nationality than their color.

SwirlQueen 1067 pts

Thanks for the article Niala.  Now I gotta go to Youtube and look up all my 80s groups.  Dang I don't have time for that, but I got the bug thanks to this article and that dang on video.  Nikki Sheppard  This has your name written on all over it.

melissamak007 264 pts

So true! I am always talking about my experiences with British men while I was in England. London, specifically.

greengirl7 330 pts

 melissamak007  Care to share any stories with us?  Pretty pleeease. 

*puppy dog eyes*

melissamak007 264 pts

 greengirl7

 LOL! I went to Britain twice. Once to London to visit a homesick cousin and the other to Manchester. I can remember an old hairdresser of mine telling me how British men stared at her even though she was with her husband. She was petite, had stunning glowing chocolate skin, and a cute short cut waaay before it became popular. So, I couldn't blame anyone for staring. But, I digress.  I wasn't really thinking about that at that time but it quickly came back to me when I got offered help with my luggage, smiled at, and spoken to numerous times. When we went out to eat it was much of the same. I must say it was all very polite though. No leering, or cat calling from the corners! And it wasn't just the White Brits it was also the Indian. A British guy named Alec and a friend of his showed my cousin and I around. Oddly enough out of the two Brits I dated one is a transplant that moved to NY. The other was here on business and we did the long distance thing for over a year. Fun times! I would recommend going to anyone that hasn't. The culture, sights, and men are a lot to soak in!  

greengirl7 330 pts

 melissamak007 "A British guy named Alec and a friend of his showed my cousin and I around."

 

I've heard of that happening to other BW traveling in Europe several times before.  It makes European men sound so chivalrous! 

 

"Fun times! I would recommend going to anyone that hasn't."

 

Lucky girl, hopefully all of us aspiring travelers will get there soon. :)

melissamak007 264 pts

 greengirl7

 It is a lot different than NYC. The men there were more "chivalrous" as you said. More gentlemanly. If that is even a word! I think you will get there, in time. And if you need a travel buddy... You know where to look! I think my dream destination is Morocco.

greengirl7 330 pts

 melissamak007 The men there were more "chivalrous" as you said. More gentlemanly."

 

Sounds lovely, I love being around traditional men.

melissamak007 264 pts

 greengirl7 I can imagine... It's refreshing. To say the least. It's funny. My boyfriend and I were talking the other day about how men of different backgrounds approach women. I would ever generalize a whole group of people. But, I will say that there were patterns.

greengirl7 330 pts

 melissamak007 It's refreshing. To say the least."

 

It must really make being in a foreign country easier, when you find men who are so warm and welcoming. 

 

"But, I will say that there were patterns."

 

That is interesting.  Expat women talk about there being a big difference in the way Northern and Southern European men court and date.

melissamak007 264 pts

 greengirl7

 Have you ever been? There is a group called BlackGirlsTravel. We should have BBWTravel!

greengirl7 330 pts

 melissamak007 "Have you ever been?"

Not yet :(

 

"We should have BBWTravel!"

 

That would be fantastic, I love hearing about women's romantic experiences abroad...   Oh, and of course also about...... sightseeing and.... other... cultures.    :)

Deevinej 5 pts

Oh my goodness!  Right when I clicked on the little icon for your site on my page and saw D2 pop up.  I became a little giddy. lol!  I'm a long-time suffering Durannie, who has just started reaping the benefits of my fandom within the last five years with going to shows and meeting the band.  If you were or still a fan, and if they come to a town near you, definitely check them out at least once.  Just saw John Taylor a couple of months ago during his book signing tour.  He's still charming and handsome.  Funny because I made a point to avoid him growing up because he was so popular with the girls.  

 

Back to the topic at hand, I was talking to a friend yesterday about looking for an international man.  I'm a sucker for accents, especially from the Irish, English, Scottish spectrum.  I really want to travel to Ireland and Scotland.  I've been to parts of England twice.  One of my desires is to more abroad to Paris or somewhere in Great Britain for a year or two.  Sometimes, I think it's time to get away from the states.  My latest crush is Warren Brown from the BBC show Luther.  Yes, I like Idris Elba as well, but I'm kinda focused more on Warren. lol!  I'm glad that show is returning for another season.  

EvieE 229 pts

Not surprising. The last time I was in the UK which was this past summer, every other kid I saw was biracial. Just from my observation they were mostly with white women but there were a lot of black women and women of other ethnicities with them as well. England still has its issues, but IR dating doesn't seem to be as big a deal over there.

On a side note I used to dream of being stranded on a desert island with John Taylor from Duran Duran when I was a kid. And he's held up rather nicely over the years. 

arlette81 203 pts

 EvieE yeah you got that right. Mixed race is a race of its own because there are so many of them. i love that i have honestly never thought about race when it comes to dating, i date whoever and no one cares.  

sMoriarty 505 pts

Lads are the same everywhere. In every country, on every continent. 

 

Also, to quote (his majesty) Morrissey "I'm sure there are worse groups than Duran Duran, but I'll be damned if I can think of any." 

emmerdale94 143 pts

This article is spot on. I lived in Edinburgh, Scotland for a while and I couldn't keep guys away. Literally, I could have different dates each day of the week (including weekends) if I wanted. It was insane. I remember walking into a small nightclub and having an entire rugby team from Northern Ireland vying for my attention. Whenever I'd go to London....wow. I became very spoiled!

 

Not bragging at all...because as soon as I came back to the states I'd be lucky if I had one or two white guys trying to take me out. There are a variety of factors that make interracial relationships more common in the UK, but I think one of the biggest is that they don't have that specter of slavery, jim crow, etc. hanging over them in the way that we do here (which isn't to say the UK has been free of racial inequality throughout its history - and religious strife and inequality has probably been a bigger problem in the UK throughout its history than it has been here...Northern Irish Troubles anyone?). 

niala.charles 98 pts

 emmerdale94 I miss it so much! It was nice being the "it girl" for a while.... lol. I think I'd have a better chance finding a husband there than here... haha

FriendsofJay 1980 pts

Things have really changed in London.  When I was there in the late 70's there was still a good deal of hesitation of the part of both black and white.  But when I was there in 2000, everything was different.  British Blacks have no memory of slavery, so there's little suspicion on the part of blacks.  Likewise white males.  I wish that were the case in the U.S., but we keep talking about an era that ended 150 years ago, prejudice that we've tried so hard to end and BW thinking that WM only have a sexual fetish for them.  Some of that may be true in some people, but there is a good deal of sincerity out there too.  More than most think.  And Niala is right, the attitude of BM is much different there.   Color hasn't been a problem in the U.K. since the 70's.  As far back as the early 60's, the problem was class.  That is dying.  After all Prince Harry married a "commoner."  In Europe, culture has become more all encompassing.  Only the U.S. seems to be behind the times.  The political right keeps saying, "we don't want to become like Europe."  I say that would be good for all of us.  And you girls could change that by being more approachable.  Every BWE blog I've been to seems to say you are.

FriendsofJay

Sorry FriendsofJay, but as one of those Black Brits you're talking about I think I should put you straight on a couple of things. British Black does not mean the same thing it means in the US. To be Black and British could mean that your family hails from the West Indies OR Africa.

 

To assert that Black Britons do not have any memory of slavery is incorrect. However, as someone whose family comes from the West Indies and whose great-great grandfather had land enough to share between his seven children the memories of slavery are not as distinct as they are in the US. However, that's not to say that the effects of slavery are not being felt by those of us whose ancestors were brought to the Caribbean on slave ships.

 

I think the riots that took place in 1981 in Brixton and the riots that engulfed London last year attest to the fact that unfortunately colour still is an issue in the UK. Yes, if you are educated then it’s about class, which university you went to, but on a whole colour still matters.

 

BTW – Prince William may have married a commoner, but she has about as much in common with the majority of the rest of the British population as Princess Diana did. She was educated at very elite and expensive private schools. She then continued her education at a red brick university (the equivalent to your ivy league schools) and after finishing university she was able survive without working for eight years before marrying the future King of England. Not so common.

 

 

tracyreneejones 4093 pts

I don't know what the article says all I know is that you used Duran Duran and I'm geek tripping in 80's hot flashes. I had the album this song appeared on, and I stayed up late to see the video where I noticed the Sri Lanka people were brown and Simon Le Bon is on my Twitter and that's all that really matters. I'll go read the article now...... 

Seenyc 830 pts

@ tracyreneejones   The black women tongueing(sp?) Roger  in the video always gave me hope that he was down with the swirl!

Can't wait to go to London, England to find my dream Englishman!

 

AminahMatthews 603 pts

 Mercedes824

 lol I thought I was the only one.  ;)

Dandelion100 733 pts

Wasn't Simon Cowell dating a black woman?

Courtney86 69 pts

@Dandelion100 Yes. Her name was Sinitta. I don't she was the only one he dated either. Here's more info about them here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1093990/Sinitta-tells-The-truth-Simon-Cowell-me.html

AminahMatthews 603 pts

 Dandelion100 Yea. Terri Seymour who is now a celebrity journalist for ExtraTv show was dating Simon too. They are currently still good friends.

 
Dandelion100 733 pts

@AminahMatthews Go Simon lol. He gets points from me,

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Dandelion100 Now the big news is that he is dating Carmen Electra.  I gotta say, that while I don't really care about Simon's dating life, I was actually confused upon hearing that he socialized with her.  Like really, Simon, Simon, Simon.

 
AminahMatthews 603 pts

LOL I will always love the 80's music. In fact, if it wasn't for the Brits (one hit wonders and all), 8o's pop music would suck. I use to get teased for listen to these 8o's artist:

 

Duran Duran

Elton John

George Michaels

Boy George (Culture Club)

Genes

Phil Collins....These are some of my favorite British artist and MORE and I STILL listen too today.

Seenyc 830 pts

What about Spandau Ballet, Kajagoogoo, Paul Young...*sigh*...dem was some great musical times.

AminahMatthews 603 pts

 Seenyc Yes!  ALL are still my favorites. They all sound just as good if not better then they did 2 decades ago.

 

Tears for Fears,

Eurythmics,

David Bowie,

Simple Minds,

Def Leppard,

Depeche Mode

Simply Red

Bananrama

The list goes on and on.

 
DU2 2440 pts

 AminahMatthews  Seenyc One of my friends loved The Cure. I loved Tears for Fears.