Beyond Black & White » Politics http://www.beyondblackwhite.com Chronicles, Musings and Debates about Interracial & Intercultural Relationships Sat, 28 Feb 2015 18:24:04 +0000 en-US hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 Conservative White Men Married to Black Women Sound Off on Jesse Peterson Bigotry http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/conservative-white-men-married-black-women-sound-off-jesse-peterson-bigotry/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/conservative-white-men-married-black-women-sound-off-jesse-peterson-bigotry/#comments Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:08:29 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35655 People should really do their homework when they come for this community, because I find that you folks are truly galvanized to protect what’s yours!! After the disaster of an interview with the “Reverend” Jesse Peterson and his screeching, bigoted caller, you all wrote in to ask the host and producers some HARD questions. So many […]

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People should really do their homework when they come for this community, because I find that you folks are truly galvanized to protect what’s yours!! After the disaster of an interview with the “Reverend” Jesse Peterson and his screeching, bigoted caller, you all wrote in to ask the host and producers some HARD questions. So many of you wrote, that they were compelled to respond, which sounded like a whole lot of back tracking.

 

But anyone with a scrap of sense knows what they heard in that original interview. I informed Jesse’s producer on Twitter that they have offended countless conservative men and women interracially married by calling their unions a “liberal agenda” and that folks who engage in such relationships are “damaged.” Here’s what a few of them wrote to the “good reverend.” Once you read, you’ll realize that conservatives aren’t “inherently racist.” But the small group in the corner often make it more difficult to communicate that message. Lucky for them, I believe in reciprocation! Once you read, you’ll realize that these TRUE gentlemen are not only willing to speak up for what’s right, they are also willing to stand up and for OUR honor. These men are my heroes.

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Ms. Karazin,

I’ve recently started watching your videos on YouTube, and I find them very interesting and entertaining. I admire how you’re taken your own person experience and entrepreneurial drive, and turned it into a production company. Your most recent video regarding your interview with Jesse Lee Peterson was especially interesting, but painful for me because I’m a very conservative person, who strongly believes in conservative principles.

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I went ahead and listened to your radio interview with Mr. Peterson, and after less than 15 minutes I couldn’t take it any longer. He played into just about every racial stereotype you could think of, which really caught me by surprise. He was obviously unprepared for your interview, and he also seemed to have little to no personal experience to draw from to help him through it. His efforts were a big fat fail.Conservative principles and lifestyle are actually very compatible with interracial relationships because, although conservatives get a bad rap for racial insensitivity, the truth is, people are more important than race to them. Popular media constantly rants that conservatives don’t care about blacks, the truth is that they don’t care that a person happens to be black, brown, white or whatever. What the person aspires to be is a whole lot more important, and putting your spouse and family above all other issues is very much to the same point.When I hear you touch on the differences of race and culture it grabs my attention. Perhaps you have done this already and I have missed it, but I would really like to see you do a feature on race and culture and their individual influences on relationships. In many of your video blogs it seems to be the elephant in the room that only occasionally get its trunk in the frame of the camera.

On a personal note, I happen to be white, and I’ve been married to wonderful person for over 18 years who happens to be black. We met on the “L”, (subway and elevated train system), in Chicago and were married 15 months later. We’ve since moved to the suburban Detroit area and are busy raising our family.
Please keep up your good work.

Sincerely,
Andrew Isble

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I don’t know if you heard the “Black Bill O’rielly”show today but I tried my best to stick up for what’s right. Typically, my words were twisted and the larger content of my message was ignored. That said, he walked some of his comments back!

It is not God’s will that I be on the radio. I will lend no further credibility to his cause. If I see a snake and pick it up I can expect to be bitten. I won’t do it. Anyway, I hope you know that there are plenty of people that listen and are willing to fight the good fight .

Rev. Dave

Rev. Peterson,

Would you please define the nature of a traditional relationship or marriage for me? I have always seen it defined by the religious right as a relationship or marriage between a man and a woman. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps I missed something in the Bible? Some things aren’t so clear in scripture but that sure seems to be.

How can an interracial relationship or marriage be agaisnt God for no other reason than the fact that it exists? How is it an attack on the family? How does it degrade the morals of people? How does it defy the written Word? The old testament is filled with stories of righteous men and women who married outside their respective people.

I am shocked and offended by the position you seem to have taken on interracial relationships. Particularly your racist and unfounded attacks on black women. Black, white, latin, asian, native, or other, we are American. We are the We People. We are a people under God.

Please apologize for your undignified and racist remarks.

Yours in Christ,
Rev. David S. Hill Jr.

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To the Rev. Jesse Peterson,

It has come to my attention that you had a Mrs. Christelyn Karazin on your show and things didn’t go so well. I’m disappointed to hear that.

My wife and I have been married for 18 years now and have 3 beautiful, healthy children together. We were both Christians when we met and have been serving in the church together as long as we’ve been together. Before I met her, my prayer was that God bring me the best potential wife and most Godly woman that he could find that would be
that very best help-mate possible for me as the scriptures proclaim a wife should be. I left my prayers in God’s hands. Not long after that I met my wife to be….I’m sure you can guess by now where I’m going with this. She happened to be black and I am white. I understand now this doesn’t jive with your idea of a “traditional” marriage, but I really don’t care about the use of that word according to my marriage because after 18 years of being with her, there’s no doubt in my mind she was the one for me. An army of nay-sayers couldn’t convince me other wise. I have all the proof from God on this that I feel I need.

This brings me to my next point. As a believer, I don’t want those who share my faith in Christ and who are supposed to be shepherding me focusing harder on my skin than on my soul. If that’s what’s going on, then I know their heart and priorities as Pastors and leaders are not in the right place. The Church (as I know you are aware) is under attack on all sides as it’s always been by the wiles of the enemy and we have much bigger problems and bigger fish to fry than a few white dudes married to some “sisters”. We have anti-God movements by all sorts of communities that are anti-Christian and against the Church going on all across this nation. Interracial marriages, where the man and woman are both Christians are NOT part of those negative groups and should not be lumped in as such. Interracial couples who are
Christians should be loved, discipled and shepherded like any other.

I’m not sure what your motives were for bringing Christelyn on your show and agreeing with callers you had on there that our kinds of marriages are not of God. I hope it wasn’t nefarious because if it was, I truly feel you should go back and pray and ask God to deal with you on this issue and soften your heart or open your mind up a bit.

If you are truly serving God brother, I wish you the best. It is my humble opinion that your time could’ve been better served that day, then going off on Christelyn’s and my types of marriages. We are NOT the enemy…and as far as my wife and I are concerned, we are part of the Church. WE are your brother and sister in Christ, whether you want
to see us in that way or not based on my skin.

I hope this e-mail finds it way to you and P.S. ….maybe we shouldn’t speak of “totem polls” and where people should be placed on them (women or men). Doesn’t that seem contrary to the Kingdom of God and everything that Jesus taught? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to preference. Personality and everything else on the inside that is good in us comes from God (as I know you already know as a Pastor).

I wish you all the best in your ministry, brother (as long as you don’t target marriages like mine in a negative manner). Then, my prayers would have to go to other ministries who I feel are purer in
aim and goal.

In Jesus name,

Samuel Girard
United States Air Force (Retired)

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WTF? Worst and Most Racist Interview Ever!! http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/wtf-worst-racist-interview-ever/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/wtf-worst-racist-interview-ever/#comments Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:30:25 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35638 Yesterday I was invited to do an interview for some wacky, right-wing, conservative sock puppet for Sean Hannity named Jesse Peterson. Worst. Interview. Ever. See why.   You can listen to the whole interview here: If you would like to contact this “sage of wisdom” and ask him why he doesn’t think marriage to my […]

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Yesterday I was invited to do an interview for some wacky, right-wing, conservative sock puppet for Sean Hannity named Jesse Peterson. Worst. Interview. Ever. See why.

 

You can listen to the whole interview here:

If you would like to contact this “sage of wisdom” and ask him why he doesn’t think marriage to my husband is “traditional”, you can do so here:

Jesse Peterson

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Television is STILL Not Ready to Make Black Women ‘The Main Chick’ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/television-still-not-ready-make-black-women-main-chick/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/television-still-not-ready-make-black-women-main-chick/#comments Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:18:38 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35187 If you’ve been around for a while, you might know that I watch soap operas. Not just casually either–my DVR is set to Bold and the Beautiful. It’s a thoroughly horrible show, but of recycled story lines and romantic pairing that lasts about three episodes. So I wasn’t holding out much hope that a love affair […]

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If you’ve been around for a while, you might know that I watch soap operas. Not just casually either–my DVR is set to Bold and the Beautiful. It’s a thoroughly horrible show, but of recycled story lines and romantic pairing that lasts about three episodes.

So I wasn’t holding out much hope that a love affair between a handsome, white and wealthy fashion mogul and a black girl with a prison record and from the wrong side of that tracks began to develop. “Rick and Maya,” the unlikely love story was thwarted by rich, blond and classist Caroline was an exercise in train wreck viewing.

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Rick and Maya

Caroline, who also comes from a rich family, snubbed her nose at Maya, and straight up told that that she was just an experiment and that their bond was nothing more than a white man of stature sowing his wild oats prior to making a commitment to a pretty, blond “Becky.” Which in this case, was Caroline. Because once Rick and Maya broke up, Caroline stood front and center to graciously accept her role as the trophy. Never mind she worked real dirty behind the scenes to sabotage his relationship with a black girl she was convinced was beneath him. In real life, it’s pretty typical that pretty white women look at BW/WM pairings as slumming. “Why be with her when you can have meeeee?” White women have been elevated to goddess status to pretty much all men…right? Well…notsomuch anymore.

Black women and white men are experiencing spoiled-brat, entitled behaviors from the opposite gender. Both white men and black women are forging alliances that are long-lasting and fruitful. Marriage between a black woman and a white man has a lower chance of divorce that even WM/WM marriages.

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Rick and on-camera wife, Caroline

So then, why is Hollywood still committed to pigeonholing antiquated stereotypes that black women are Jezebels/Mammys/Sapphires? I mean, these pairing ARE HAPPENING offline, so why the hesitancy to reflect cultural changes that are occurring in real life?

So after conniving Caroline schemed and plotted to get married to Rick, Maya, sidelined, began to be envious of the status and respect that comes with being “Mrs. Forrester.” So a few months into the marriage, Maya began to do her own scheming, and exposed a secret Caroline had that left her husband unable to forgive her and drive him back into the African America character, Maya.

Maya is ecstatic about winning her man back, and Rick delights in flaunting his new bed buddy in front of a jealous Caroline (they all work at the same fashion house in which Rick serves as CEO). But the patriarch of the company, who ultimately calls the shots, is disturbed by his son’s abandonment of his pretty white wife, whom he openly says is better suited for a man of his stature.  He goes so far as to demand that unless his son reunite with his more “suitable and acceptable” mate or face a de-throwing as CEO. Rick agrees outwardly but tells Maya his just doing it for show and he really wants to be with her but his big bad daddy won’t let him. Sounds eerily similar to IRL…

Maya isn’t happy about the charade, but goes along. You know, because us black chicks are happy tap dancing fools for any old half a man, regardless of race, amiright?  Rick tells her to be patient, that he’s only faking the reunion with his wife to save his career. Hold on, black women! Don’t give up on us yeeeetttt!!!

But what really took the cake today was Rick presenting his side hoe with a fancy apartment, in which will serve as Mistress Headquarters.

I mean, REALLY? In (nearly) 2015, folks are still hung up on seeing BW/WM in HEALTHY interracial relationships? I mean, as much as I know how some of you like Scandal, the Olivia Pope character mirrors the Maya character on Bold and the Beautiful. In both cases, the black women in relationships with rich and powerful men are presenting a dangerous cliche: The white man with lay up with you, but he won’t marry you. You can be the side chick, but never the main chick. That’s reserved for “Becky.”

Of course we know this is simply not what’s happening offline, where there’s hundreds of thousands of black women being the main Missus to white men, Hollywood is still clinging to the same old stereotypical tropes. We can keep kidding ourselves that both these characters are motivated by star-crossed love of powerful white men, but it’s just a dressed up version of a very old story. In what crazy world can homosexual pairings and public affection is being promoted and celebrated in Hollywood, but black women with white men are still begging for scraps?

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QOTW: Should White Guys Date ‘Sister Soldiers?’ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/qotw-white-guys-date-sister-soldiers/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/qotw-white-guys-date-sister-soldiers/#comments Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:38:07 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35149 The question… Getting to know a nice African American woman.  She is terrific – she graduated with honors from an elite liberal arts college in the Midwest – and has a law degree from an elite historically black college and university.  She not only is educated, this lady is driven – she is the sole […]

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The question…

Getting to know a nice African American woman.  She is terrific – she graduated with honors from an elite liberal arts college in the Midwest – and has a law degree from an elite historically black college and university.  She not only is educated, this lady is driven – she is the sole proprietor of a law firm in Washington, DC – and she does ever well professionally and financially.  She’s also very attractive – believes in giving back to her community – and is reverent towards God.

Part of her law practice deals with civil rights – and she’s a damn good civil rights attorney.  Sometimes I see her profession trail into our conversations (which is cool – because we all like to talk about our profession).  It seems, though, based on current events (the multiple shootings by police), many of our conversations trail back to race/ethnicity/nationality – which would be natural based on her profession.

I’d like some advice on how to deal with some of the sensitive race conversations.  Here is an example:

She recently told me that one of her childhood friends (in an interracial marriage), who was physically abused by her husband – and she said that if a white man did that to her, she’d really go after him (maybe more so than a black man).  I’m cognizant of our nation’s past in that the white folk in our country enslaved black folk – at the same time, I think it’s horrible that a person of any race physically abuses another.  Talk to me about how to approach a scenario like this.

I think this is a woman has put her career on hold – like me – and I think we are a great match – we are similar educationally, professionally, values, etc.  And I’m going to continue to pursuing this woman ;-)  But talk how to handle some of these race relations conversations that come up.

Thank you ;-)
Here’s my take…

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As Much as I Love Christian Bale, I WON’T Be Watching “Exodus: Gods and Kings.” http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/much-love-christian-bale-wont-watching-exodus-gods-kings/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/much-love-christian-bale-wont-watching-exodus-gods-kings/#comments Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:20:50 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35084 …And neither should you. Hollywood has a looooong history of white-washing biblical stories that originated on or around the continent of Africa, so much so that Egyptian history is part of the Western History curriculum. There are some people who have no idea that Egypt is in AFRICA, and the average citizen looks like this… […]

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…And neither should you.

Hollywood has a looooong history of white-washing biblical stories that originated on or around the continent of Africa, so much so that Egyptian history is part of the Western History curriculum. There are some people who have no idea that Egypt is in AFRICA, and the average citizen looks like this…

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Not this…

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In ancient Egypt, people ranged from brown to ebony, and dark AFRICAN peoples where in positions of power and status, and not subjugated to slavery and thievery.

So looking at the cast of “Exodus,” I notice a marked absence of dark brown people in the cast, but the most glaring race reappropriation is that of Zipporah, Moses’ Ethiopian wife, who is being played by Spanish actress, María Valverde.

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Wait. Hold up. Moses’ wife was Ethiopian. The average Ethiopian woman looks like this…

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In an age where interracial relationships are more accepted that ever before in history, I can’t understand WHY Hollywood chose to cast Moses’ AFRICAN wife with a white woman from Madrid. This should be a major slap in the face for the IRR community, regardless of gender. Do these people STILL believe that a casting a black woman next to a white man in legitimate matrimony will cost them ticket sales?

And don’t get me started at the casting of Sigourney Weaver as Tuya, the mother of Rameses, king of Egypt. What Hollywood is telling the world is that brown and black people are too inferior to even play THEMSELVES!!!! Hollywood believes no one would see a movie accurately depicted by the people it’s in reference to, with the ONLY exception being slave movies, which movie execs have absolutely NO PROBLEM depicting black folks with pinpoint historical accuracy. It’s only the major accomplishments of brown and black people that whites want to claim as their own.

I find it disgusting. And I won’t be watching.

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Charles Barkley: “The Black Community Has a Lot of Crooks” http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/charles-barkley-black-community-lot-crooks/ http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/charles-barkley-black-community-lot-crooks/#comments Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:27:45 +0000 http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/?p=35001 Skimming over news reports this morning, I couldn’t help but click the CNN video of Charles Barkley telling some very uncomfortable truths about what goes on in black communities, and how some events can contribute to strained relationships with police. Charles first goes into racial profiling, and then comments on Mike Brown,  then the Eric […]

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Skimming over news reports this morning, I couldn’t help but click the CNN video of Charles Barkley telling some very uncomfortable truths about what goes on in black communities, and how some events can contribute to strained relationships with police.

Charles first goes into racial profiling, and then comments on Mike Brown,  then the Eric Garner case. He’s not calling the chokehold police gave Garner murder, and is giving the cops the benefit of the doubt, saying that they might have used “excessive force” but they didn’t set out to murder him. I disagree. Chokeholds are forbidden for the exact reasons Garner died…because they kill people. If you deliberately use an tactic forbidden by your organization for the precise reason someone died, then I think an argument can be made that they murdered this man without premeditation, otherwise known as second-degree murder (thankyouverymuch, Investigation Discovery).

However, at the end of the conversation, Barkley brings up an uncomfortable truth–“the black community has a lot of crooks.” And if you form your lips or poise your fingers to argue, don’t bother. There’s a culture in the black community’s lower classes called “getting over,” at least that’s what they called it when I was growing up. “Getting over” was viewed as almost a “fight the power” action, where you rob, steal, and cheat to “get over” on ‘The Man.’ It’s seen as some type of rebellion against a system that poor folks deem unfair and unjust to them. A more extreme example is one of the members of the Black Panthers announcing that he would rape as many white women as he could *cough* you know, to get back at the white devil. “Getting over” is often celebrated and earns you a certain level of respect in the hood. The mentality of “getting over” has lead to a certain level of acceptance of criminality in the hood, which often leads to constant targeting by local police in order to prevent utter chaos and anarchy.

And if you think I’m just full of it, read this Eldridge Cleaver…

”I became a rapist. To refine my technique and modus operandi, I started out by practicing on black girls in the ghetto — in the black ghetto where dark and vicious deeds appear not as aberrations or deviations from the norm, but as part of the sufficiency of the Evil of the day — and when I considered myself smooth enough, I crossed the tracks and sought out white prey. I did this consciously, deliberately, willfully, methodically — though looking back I see that I was in a frantic, wild and completely abandoned frame of mind.

”Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women — and this point, I believe, was the most satisfying to me because I was very resentful over the historical fact of how the white man has used the black woman. I felt I was getting revenge.”

How sweet. This sociopath practiced rape on black girls (not women, girls). Who was he getting revenge for when he defiled his “own?”  As usual, black girls and women are seen as sacrificial lambs or human collateral damage. What a load of bullshit.

Let’s not be naive. Imagine a week in the South Side of Chicago in which the police decided not to show up. Would you walk those streets? Would you patronize a business? Would you let your kids play in the park? Yeah; I thought so. I shudder to think about black girls and women in that scenario. It’s the stuff horror films are made of.

Racism aside (because this author will never deny it doesn’t exist), unless and until the black community acknowledges that they are not helpless babies who trip and fall into all their problems, and we continue to infantalize black boys and raise our girls to be mules and single mothers, nothing is ever going to change. There will be another Mike Brown. Another Eric Garner. And so on, and so on, and so on….

And after you done looking at that, take a look at this…

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Are you ready to have these types of conversations?
I don’t think most of you are there yet. Some of us are, but most aren’t. I can tell by the level of defensiveness and emotional knee-jerk reactions we get whenever we discuss certain issues.
It tells me that black women are hurting but still unwilling to challenge the mental programming they have received for generations. They are trained to see “white supremacy” in everything that counters their cultural programming, even if the concept can serve to reverse the damage of that programming.
But we’re still going to have these conversations, whether you like it or not. We know we may lose page likes but that is not why we do this, anyway. We do this to increase the critical thinking skills among black women to a level necessary for them to improve their own lives.
That includes conversations on selective reproduction.
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BW Think Tank in all her glorious wisdom writes:
“NOPE, and when you try to talk to them about BREEDING FOR VOLUME they start talking bout genocide and eugenics. SMDH. For black women, (I only deal directly with BW) motherhood is the biggest issue because it is the single greatest indicator of POVERTY.
So much of what they are protesting about in Ferguson has to do with black women RECKLESSLY having children they cannot afford and CANNOT PROTECT. Mike Brown’s mother was 16 years old when she had him. He was raised by his GRANDMOTHER, while both his parents went on with their lives.
NOBODY is talking about how THAT impacts the chances of something like this happening to black children.
Black women are “fighting for their sons’ – AFTER THE FACT. They should be fighting for them BEFORE they have them under precarious circumstances by bum ass dudes. BW do more damage to their own children’s lives in the choices they make BEFORE they are born, than any white police force does, after it. NOBODY wants to talk about THIS side of the game. And any woman who does is cast the side eye.
This is about CLASS more than anything else. Black people have NO infrastructure, so they become reliant on the very system that oppresses them, to protect them and they are surprised when their kids end up dead. What other role would their children serve when they birth them with no PURPOSE and no PLAN in a capitalistic society?
All one must do is study NATURE. There are NO useless organisms in nature. Each ecosystem has organisms that in SOME way, benefit that system. Those that don’t are RE-PURPOSED, FED OFF OF and eventually die out. Breeding in high numbers with no infrastructure, no building, no production and no plan means your progeny will be designated as the SYSTEM sees fit. We keep arguing with this rather that studying it and then acting accordingly.
I only have one child. Why? Because I KNEW that it was beyond my capacity to SUCCESSFULLY rear more than one human being given the reality of my circumstances. PERIOD. And no amount of love for a man or loyalty to the race was going to make me “UN-KNOW” what I already knew.
Think about animals that are bred in high numbers. Pigs. Cows. Goats. Chickens. These animals are BRED TO DIE and be fed off of for their meat, skin, and byproducts. No consideration is given to their living conditions, except those that will increase the bottom line.
But when animals are bred for niche purposes, then the ART and SCIENCE of breeding is used. Quality is key and careful consideration is given to make sure that only the BEST, most desirable traits are created in each birth. Those animals are NOT consumed. they are protected and valued and coveted for their genes and beauty. And they are not shot down like rabid dogs in the streets.
Breeding for Volume = the Sacrifice/Slaughter.
Breeding for Pedigree= Quality and Specialty
And that has EVERYTHING to do with CLASS.
Those who don’t get it end up on the back of the train talking bout ‘race’.
SMDH.”

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