“Do You Believe in Jesus?” And other anecdotes from the life of a non-Christian

“Do You Believe in Jesus?” And other anecdotes from the life of a non-Christian

Newsflash! Tanisha’s a JEW!!

Author : Tanisha Shulamit

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ACT 1: Scene 1:

“What church do you attend?” he asked.

“I am sorry?”

“What church in town do you attend?”

“Oh, none. I am not a Christian,” I take a deep breath and release it, “I am Jewish.”

“Oh,” he said with a confounded look on his face. “Are you a messianic Jew?”

“Um, no.” I said in a matter of fact manner. “No, I am not. Messianic Jew, is another word for Christian. I am a Jew, Jew.”

“So you don’t believe in Jesus?”

“Do you?” I ask.

–Silence–

“Well of course I do. You know you’ll go to hell without Jesus.”

Trying to push down my annoyance, “Well, I guess it’s a good thing that I do not believe in hell.”

 

Scene 2:

 

“A Jew? How are you a Jew? Did you know that Jews sold us into slavery, that they hate us?”

“Really? Do you know history?”

“Yes.”

“In that case, if you knew history, you would know that 1)during the time of the slave trade, Jews were escaping persecution in Spain and Portugal and throughout Europe and that the Muslims, particularly the Ottoman Empire, ruled most of Africa at that time. 2) That it was a Jew, a white person, and a black person who formed the NAACP and 3) it was Jewish Rabbis who funded the Civil Rights Movement.”

“Well, they still hate us.”

–Walks away–

 

Scene 3:

 

MLK Celebration at YXZ Synagogue:

Jewish lady walks up to me at the end of the service and everyone is high off of the gospel music–Jews love gospel music..

“You all sang beautifully. It brought tears to my eyes”

“Oh, no I wasn’t in the choir. I attend synagogue.”

“I’m sorry you didn’t come with the church?”

“No ma’am, I’ve been attending this synagogue now for over a year.”

“Oh, are you Ethiopian.”

“No,” I say, but I am thinking, ‘Do I look Ethiopian to you?’

“Are you a convert?”

Blank stare, no response. She and I both know she is not supposed to ask that question.

“Well, welcome either way.”

“Thank you.”

—end scene–

 

This is pretty much how many conversations go down, here in Texas. So, I decided that I needed to address these attitudes. I’ve been wanting to write this post for quite some time and I got the go ahead from Christelyn to do so weeks ago, but I am just getting around to  it. I wanted to broach the topic of non-Christian and non-Muslim religious practices of black women. I decided to do so because 1) I tire of people ASS-uming that I am either a Christian or a Muslim, or even still a convert–that I won’t clear up either; and I get asked a lot of questions about my pen name, “Tanisha Shulamit”.

 

My pen name  is a combination of my birth name and my Hebrew name. My Hebrew name is Tovah Shulamit and I wear it proudly. The name Tovah means “good” in Hebrew and is normally used in greetings such as, L’Shanah Tova (Happy New Year) or Shavua Tov (Have a good week) and my middle name Shulamit means “peaceful.” For you bible peeps, Shulamit is the chief character in the book, Songs of Songs, for whom King Solomon writes his passionate love letters to. She is  a shepherdess who eventually becomes his wife and Queen of Israel–one day I will break down the erotic aspect about that book, and shock some of you Christians. :-)

 

Me at the Wall, March 2004, bundled in a friend’s coat. Its was cold, burrr

 

In general, I tend to keep my religious beliefs to myself because honestly I am not a hard liner however, the beautiful thing about being Jewish is that we do not believe we corner the market on truth and the way to God and there is a lot of leeway in the way that you practice. I, personally believe in universal truths and  in cultural rites and all religions are a mixture of both.

Nor do I discuss how it is that I am Jew because it is not a necessary conversation to have. No one asks how someone became a Christian or Muslim do they? Nope..

 

I will cover a few other alternative religious practices of black women and the way these practices shape their lives, but first  I wanted to give you a few facts and highlight a couple of amazing celebrities, in this case women, that are both black and Jewish because frankly I am tired of the misconception that all black people are either Christian or Muslim–bow ties and bean pies. There are many of us who are Jewish, Atheists, Deists, Buddhist, Hindus and a slew of other things and for once, I think that we should see this diversity in the media.

 

Fact #1– There are over 400,000 practicing Jewish Americans of African descent (not Hebrew Israelites, that’s a different group). Many were the result of black and Jewish unions during the Civil Rights Movement. (Jewish Rabbis bankrolled MLKs movement in the 60s) and post civil rights 70s. Some were born Jewish– many slaves converted to Judaism after the Civil War and the Emancipation. And some converted for love and plain belief. And some believe that many of the slaves captured from Africa were Jews–Ethiopia, Ghana  and S. Africa anyone?

 

Fact #2– There are two (there are others) major sects of Jews in the world, Ashkenazim–Jews from eastern Europe such as Germany, Russia, Poland etc and Sephardim (used to mean Jews from the Iberian peninsula(Spain) but now covers Italian Jews, Jews from Spain, Britain, North Africa and the Middle East.

 

Fact #3– Do you agree with everything Israel does? No, I do not but at the same time I  do not agree with everything Palestine or America does. I believe in peace and joy for all and I truly believe that we all can have that peace and joy and not at the expense of others. I tend to see both sides of a coin and most times I am neutral. I will call you out when you are wrong and back you up when you are right. I also have family that lives in Israel.

 

Fact #4– What’s your favorite holiday? Well, my fave holiday(s) are Purim–it is the Jewish answer to Halloween where we celebrate the saving of the Jews in the Persian empire by Esther. This holiday you are permitted to dress up in costumes and get stinking drunk. In fact most people bring their rabbi a bottle of vodka (ashkenazim) or wine/Araq (sephardim). Its a big party where we forget to tell the difference between blessings and curses and it is one of the only holidays we celebrate a woman. I love Rosh Hashana where we celebrate the goodness of god. Its the beautiful Days of Awe and Yom Kippur (day of repentance) where we repent not individually, but as a community because we believe that what one person does the whole community does. And Simcha Torah, when we get to wave Israeli flags and dance around the Torah. We know how to celebrate!

 

For you who do not know. Here are a few fabulous celebrities –there are some actors but I prefer to focus on women– that are both black and Jewish, to learn more about other Black and Jewish celebrities check out this HuffPost article:

 

Tracee Ellis Ross, born to singer Diana Ross and a Jewish Father, identifies as Jewish

 

Katerina Graham, The Vampire Diaries, born to an American Father and an Austrian Jewish Mother

Zoe Kravitz, born to a Jewish Mother Lisa Bonet and Jewish Father, Lenny Kravitz

Sophie Okenedo, born to a Nigerian father and British Jewish mother

Another alternative lifestyle that women practice is Buddhism. The most famous black buddhist female is Tina Turner:

I interviewed a buddhist friend about her beliefs  as a Nichiren Buddhist and this is what she had to say:

Buddhism originated in India, around 2000 years ago by Shakyamuni Buddha. Shakyamuni is known as the “original buddha”. He was born a prince and renounced his royal life to pursue find the cure for human suffering! In 13th century japan a priest, Nichiren Diashonin, discovered the ‘Direct Path’ to that “Cure”, the chanting of Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo! The practice for ALL people!!!

Nichiren Diashonin, a 13th century monk, studied for many years, the different writing of Buddhism, 1000 of sutras (teachings)… He discovered that from all the sutras the most significant was The Lotus Sutra. All the other sutras were based on the capacity of the people to understand…so it was mostly parables and similes, and stories to teach the basic principles of the path to enlightenment (to perceive the truth of life). On the other hand the Lotus Sutra was based solely on the depth if Shakyamuni’s advanced capacity to perceive the truth about life. Nichiren deduced the simply the title was the most profound sound found throughout the universe…and chanting it over and over would put you in rhythm with the universe. To perceive that life is Cause and Effect and that that is the Law of the universe!

The main practice of Nichiren Buddhism is chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. When chanting, you are fusing your life with the rhythm of the universe, you are able to tap into the deepest level of your being and bring forth the best most capable you, you are capable of being! Chanting is coupled with faith and study to increase your understanding and conviction in achieving world peace-through Each and Every person undergoing their own Human Revolution!  At the age of 24 I was introduced to this practice by my best friend-her mother had at that time been practicing for 25 years!

Then there are those who follow either no religious practices or who have adopted a Pan-Africanist stance on religion like singer Erykah Badu:

Another friend of mine, Nikki DaVinci has no religious beliefs and this is what she has to say about her background:

Nikki daVinci

“My mother was not religious until she got married to a religious man.  Sometimes she would take us to churches all christian churches.   She didn’t force me to go to church until I was about 15.   I did have a family I stayed with for summer (Fresh Air Fund) that made church and religion seem magical.  That fascinated me.  They bought me my first bible.  I liked reading it because the stories really interested me.”

“I don’t practice any religion.  It’s not that I don’t believe there is a God.. I just don’t think it’s the way its been painted, the way he looks.. that he is definitely a he, that he hates gay people because of a book written by men?    There are too many gaps in religion for me to take it seriously because people can take their own interpretation of it and use it at will.  If anything Love should be considered a religion because that is also up for interpretation and changeable from person to person.   I do not have anything against religious people but I do not respect people who use it as a psychic crutch because the only thing definite about religion is that it requires a lot of you and not much in return.   There are hopes for a return but no definites.   I changed at 15 when I realized for sure that I was gay.  It was difficult to reconcile with who I was because it wasn’t a choice, it was just a fact about me.   I, up until that point, had my own unmatchable love for God & at one point I’d even considered being a pastor without any prompting from family but I could not understand being hated for the way I was created by who was supposed to be my “creator”.     I began to question everything and even the existence of God.   I came to a point where I realized that God was in people.. all people- each of us.   We were looking outside for what was our own divine.   I  wrote a poem about it..which is in my book The Nikki DaVinci Code on Amazon”
Tonight (a poem)
I never knew shame
Paraded naked for a dream
Cut my own throat at darkened seams
Bleeding ink..
What is the temperature of pain?
I am taking a study
Of everyone who said they loved me
See I went looking for God
And realized omnipresent
Meant in the mirror
“Mostly I like my flexibility to navigate the world and understand all sides from the religious to the athiests and even if I disagree the ability to respect their choice and opinion.   Christianity teaches acceptance but most Christians reject all that is different from them as damned.  There is so much irony. I like that my fluid nature allows my future children the ability to choose.  I will introduce them to all kinds of religions and they can decide which or what to take from each.  I want them to feel free to have faith in what they believe to be true.
I participate in most all holidays including Christmas.  It isn’t just habit but America is so geared towards Christian practices that we can almost all assure we will be off during that time.   Although my family isn’t close I do spend Christmases with those I love and it is more about the sharing of love and warmth, the God in each of them to me than the usual focus of Christians.   People might find having Christmas hypocritical but I don’t see it much differently then celebrating something like Cinco de Mayo and not being Mexican.   There’s fun and joy to be had on holidays.  Why not?”

 

Although I am Jewish, I truly believe that God, the goddess, is in all and is all and that our main purposes on this earth are to discover the god-like essence in ourselves and Tikkun Olam which in Hebrew means to ‘heal the world’ through healing ourselves and by extension healing others–basically discovering our humanity. I also believe that sin in the Jewish sense is a crime that I commit against another fellow human being or animal–the Commandments anyone?

 

I hope that this post will be a thing used to open dialogue among us to talk about our different paths to godliness/righteousness and most especially humanity–this is more what Judaism is about, our relationship with humanity–and to see just how much in common we have than not. And from this day forth, never assume that every black person you meet is either a Christian, Muslim or convert. Just as our personalities are a diverse and reflect different aspects of god so are our religious beliefs and practices.

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Lili2009 1827 pts

Sorry if this was posted before. Henry Louis Gates did a really good episode of Knowing Your Roots on religious leaders. Here's a woman named Angela Buchdahl. Her mother is Korean and her father was Jewish American. She's the first Asian-American to be ordained a Rabbi or cantor in North America. She talks about her struggles with being accepted as Jewish due to her looks as a young person, and had pretty much decided to turn her back on it due to the rejection. But, she found her way back and is very influential.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/finding-your-roots/profiles/angela-buchdahl/

Lejusdecoco 206 pts

Well written! the song of songs is indeed an erotic book. Leaders should discuss more of it at the church, it is usually ignored.

KimnBerlin 8 pts

I am Atheist, but I was raised in the church. My mom married a preacher so we had to attend those long services several times a week, and all the activities. We were never allowed to question our beliefs (baptist church). Finally I had a choice to attend and never looked back. I would try to continue, but realized, I just didn't buy all the non-sense. Hope there can be an article about Black Atheist some day.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 KimnBerlin I am borderline like I said before. I practice Judaism because of the rituals and it allows for that attitude actually. But I self identify as a Jew. If I can find some true atheists, I will write that article..

Oneof thegirls 214 pts

 KimnBerlin There is an old article here about religion. Most of the people on this blog are non religious who commented on that expressed non-religious views. The question is are most of the christians and jews real? Probably not. Shulamit just stated she was more into rituals than the actual beliefs.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 Oneof thegirls  KimnBerlin about 70% of jews are atheist and are more into the rituals. I follow about 50% of the tenants because they are humanistic and are a good lifestyle, however i am not rabid about Israel, I'm not anti-muslim, I will not wear a sheitl nor do I want children. so yeah pretty much the rituals..

Sophia 486 pts

I don't consider myself religious at all but I do occasionally attend services in the Ethiopian Orthodox church. The church is so central to the identity of the nation, and is so tied to the nation's history and culture, that it is hard to dis-entangle from it.  I discussed my some friends of mine, all of us lax church-goers, and we all agreed that once we have children they'll be marched straight to church on Sundays.  It's one of the best ways to absorb the culture and be around their people.

Oneof thegirls 214 pts

What is interesting is that anyone born to a jewish parent is a jew in hollywood. Outside of that you hear people converting to judaism . Interesting rules we accept in religion.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 ForestElfQueen loves.. I know so many couples like this..

Outstretched 9 pts

I have been following this blog for about a month now, can’t remember how I stumbled upon it. I had decided early on, to be more of an onlooker but this post gave me a sudden jolt. I love it! It is a lot to read but it is well written and I love the fact that you touched on other religions asides yours.

 

I was born into a Christian home and attended Sunday service every week without fail, even signed up for as many bible camps as possible, as demanded by my parents. For my first degree, I attended a private missionary university where you couldn’t be any less Christian than you were expected to be. At first I went along with it, as I have always done and oftentimes felts magnificently heavenly but later I began to wane. I slowly drew away from the idea of Christianity but made sure to punish myself (emotionally and mentally) for the sin of doing so. I confided in my mother, only partly, about how I was constantly struggling to build a relationship with God through those doctrines but I didn’t dare tell her I was losing my faith.

 

I came to the UK to further my studies and things just went further downhill. Not because I became too distracted but I was finally seeing the world as it really is (not through rose-tinted glasses); the beautiful and the ugly, and it became harder to justify the dogmas I had dragged along with me from Africa, a continent that does not welcome the idea of questioning authority. I couldn’t understand why my idea of religion was so lopsided; cruel to some groups of people and good to a select few. But I continued to struggle, to try to keep my head above water and then one day, I just gave up trying.

 

I dare not tell my family about this! When my parent call and ask about Sunday service, I either cook up a reason for not being able to attend or lie about how great the pastor was. I cannot bear to even imagine what my mother’s face would look like if she knew; just thinking about it is making me teary. I am 26 and yet I am afraid to say out loud what I’ve been thinking and because of this, I am in a state of limbo. I want to find God for myself but I don’t know where to go, what to do or who to turn to. If there truly is a hell, then I’d better stock up on fire proof vest. 

 

Blackberry 1177 pts

@Outstretched Welcome to the blog. Sorry to hear aout your dilemma. Hopefully the people on the blog will have some good advice. One of college too ayes was in a similar situation. She convinced her parents to let her attend college, but she knew wanted to leave their church and that her parents would not pay for her education if she left their church. So she lived a lie...I thought she was exaggerating, but shortly after graduating she told her parents that she was changing her faith and they banished her. She hasn't seen her parents in years.

Outstretched 9 pts

 Blackberry  Outstretched 

Thank you for welcoming me. I'm sorry to hear about your colleague's predicament. I too, am afraid of my father disowning me; particularly my father! I do not want to be the cause of grief to my family. I wish there were another one of that priest here in Birmingham, it would do me a lot of good. I'll just have to be on the look out for one.

Blackberry 1177 pts

@Outstretched I don't share this stosry to say this will happen to you, rather just to illustrate that there are more people than you would think who have similar concerns about their faith and their families belief systems. Where I used to live there is a very nice priest who runs a group call intro to God where he explains/discusses the major religions of the world. The class covered nine religions( I think). He was a funny guy, but I remember "catholicism for dummies" was one of the books on the reading list LoL

Karla 18240 pts

 Outstretched A warm welcome to you.  I must ask you, are you living on your own or do you depend upon your parents for support?  If you are living on your own, you must make your own life.  You think you need to stock up on fire proof vests?  Not even.  Personally, I don't believe there's a "Hell" per se.  We make our own Hell and then live in it.  Frankly, If Satan exists, he's sitting at Starbucks and watching humans do his job for him.  Right now, you are living in your own sort of Hell because you don't want to lose your family.  I can't tell you what to do but maybe the first thing you could try is to read.  Get your hands on anything written about other religions, spiritual beliefs, agnosticism, etc.  You may even want to visit other churches, temples, etc to see what they're all about.  If you are being supported by your family, that makes for a tougher issue.  Do you believe your family loves you unconditionally?  Are they open to discussion regarding this issue?  Do you have a friend, mentor or counselor who is removed from your religion in whom you can confide? 

Outstretched 9 pts

 Karla Thank you Karla. I'm done with school, living on my own and I have a great job so I'm not dependent on anyone. My fear is not of financial support but of being cut off and disowned. My family is a proud one or rather I should say my father is a proud man and therefore stubborn and I know, without a doubt, that he will not stand for this or accept it in any way. I have thought about looking into other options; I read a bit into astrology, after which I had to battle with guilt. I have imagined myself walking into the church of science just down the road but the sense of betraying everything and everyone puts fear in my heart.  

Shulamit 1982 pts

Outstretched

Hi sweetie, I am the author of this here post and I did not cover all of what I feel and know. I claim Judaism but I am a Jew in ritual only although there are a lot of things people do not know about the faith. It is quite a feminist faith. However some of the ideology IS quite archaic.

 

Here's what I believe. I believe that religion's purpose is to start a spark in us, to cause us to search and discover within. What's within? God.... We look externally for God but God isn't external. S(he) is internal.. Jesus said, "The Father and I are one." "I AM" he was not stating that he was some special person. IN fact what he was stating is true for all of us. I AM and I AM one with GOD. How's that? God breathe into Adam and that is how ADam and Eve became living beings. God put his essence into us. S(he) made us in his image, which means we are god and god is us. We can create and we can destroy with our words. But because of Christianity (modern christianity) and Islam (because Judaism actually believes what I am writing here) we as humans have had our godliness stripped from us.

 

What you should be focused on is not external. You already possess it. and once you can grasp that idea, no one not even your parents can take that away. Remember that on your quest. And also remember this, you are not searching for TRUTH you are discovering TRUTH. There is a big difference in the wording. Because discovering implies it has already been found.. Good luck on your journey love. I promise you once you discover the god in you you will never feel guilty about anything again.. :-)

 

P.S. there is no hell and there is no reason to fear it. God did not give you the spirit of fear but LOVE. Because when you live in LOVE fear nor guilt can abide within. Our purpose in this life is to love all and experience all. To love ourselves and experience GOD in all of us. Its so simple, we make it complicated

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

 ShulamitThat was a beautiful response, Tanisha. Much of what you said falls right in line with my comment about the divine being within us all. There is no need to search. All we need to do is to clear away all of the thoughts and distractions that block us from our true selves.

 
NijaG 194 pts

 Outstretched 

Hi Outstretched,

I definitely can understand what you're experiencing, because I went through something similar when I was your age. I was raised Catholic, in West Africa, so I can relate to the strong parental influence and the issue of authority.

 

For a long time I really struggled with certain things I was taught and what my own mind and spirit was telling me. I read alot of spiritual books, websites and group forums (Buddhism, Native American, New Age, Christian Science, etc). I also attending different types of Christian churches.

 

My conclusion which I already knew deep down, is that there is no religion, philosophy, spiritual practice that has ALL the answers. Human beings are ever evolving and ever growing and changing. Our understanding of things expands, changes and/or deepens as certain things in life becomes clearer.

 

So, After all my searching and questioning, I actually went back to the Catholic Church. Not because I thought it was perfect, but because I considered it my base/foundation in my beliefs. The things I learned from expanding into other spiritual teachings, helped me better understand  and interpret many Christian teaching in ways that brought me better peace of mind.  There is no perfect religion, just like there are no perfect human beings.

Skayi 505 pts

I was raised in a Christian household. I'm grateful for the values and morals, but the more i grow, I feel like an Atheist and Agnostic. I'm sorry Mami.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

Growing up in GA it was naturally assumed that I was Baptist. Although my parents were raised Baptist, they let each of us children decide for ourselves what type of relationship we wanted to have with God. In my training as a yoga teacher, we've been studying yoga philosophy which includes some of the sutras that are used in Buddhist teachings. One of the things that I love about the sutras is that they don't pertain to any particular religion. They pertain to ALL religions. Many people assume that if you're a faithful yoga practitioner you must be a Buddhist or Hindu, which is not the case. The sutras guide you in the pursuit of the divinity that lives within you. Almost every religion tells us that we were made in the image of our creator, so it would make sense that the divine dwells within us. That means that we are all on equal footing and that no one is better than anyone else no matter where we fall on the religious spectrum. By realizing that, it makes it easier for us to have compassion for our fellow human beings even if their beliefs are different from our own. We're all on the same journey. What's different is the route that we each take to arrive at our own sense of the divine.

 

Blackberry 1177 pts

Great article! I can only speak as a BW....but people do make a lot of assuming about my religious beliefs and feel no shame in asking me right away. Are you black? Oh so you're a Christian right, what are you baptist? That is when I get pissed off and declare I'm a heathen and atheist and that usually sends them a running. I just think people are improperly presumptuous about other people's beliefs especially when religion is one of the most personal aspects of life. Mostly when we talk aout religion on this blog we talk about "politics of black churches in america" which a fairly small part of religious identity for BW. So I appreciated the article and look forward to more posts. PS "[Jews] we do not believe we corner the market on truth and the way to God..." funny because it's true!

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

I honestly don't understand how any woman, or man who cares about women, could subscribe to any one of the Abrahamic religions. I truly believe that the contents of the old testament are inherently evil, and that by identifying as a moderate, whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, we are just paving the way for an archaic medieval text to continue to claim a place of importance in the modern world.

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

 JessicaKhurana That same "archaic medieval text" says to judge not least you be judged with a greater measure. So you choose your system of beliefs and let us chose ours that is based upon said "archaic medieval text ."{

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

 LadyLittlefoot

 The same text says that you are completely justified in murdering me if I even suggest that we try out another religion. Not only are you justified, but you are REQUIRED to kill me. I just don't feel comfortable trusting everyone to just pick out the nice passages.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 JessicaKhurana I agree with you to a certain extent. However, knowing more about Judaism outside of the interpretation of the Bible that people read, I also know that women are seen as being equal in Jewish law and community..

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

 Shulamit

 Also in most modern Christian communities. But it is the same text, full of the same atrocities, just both communities have evolved and now only cherry pick the parts they want to live by. It would be like me choosing Hitler's Mein Kampf as my personal "bible" and declaring to the world that it is my spiritual guide to life only after cherry picking the inspirational, benign sounding passages to showcase. (Believe it or not, there are quite a few nice sounding passages even in THAT book.) Sooner or later, if enough people are accepting it as a true divine guide, SOMEONE is going to use it as justification for genocide.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

 JessicaKhurana  Shulamit That's why no book of "scriptures" no matter where they come from should be interpreted literally. Those "scriptures" aren't going to get you to where you need or want to be. At their heart, the majority of religions teach tolerance, compassion, selflessness, patience, and perseverance. I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them right now. Just because something is written down and held up as the "gold standard" doesn't necessarily make it the end-all be-all.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

 Honestly.   JessicaKhurana  Shulamit All of our core beliefs, whether religious or otherwise, are based on our upbringing, unless we choose to question them or go our own way. As someone who was born and raised in the Bible belt by Southern Baptists I have a pretty good grip on the concept of the Good Book being the last word on how to live right for Christians. And that's fine for them if that's what they want to believe. My response had more to do with what Jessica was saying with regard to not subscribing to Abrahamic religions. If I understand correctly, she doesn't subscribe to the tenets of Christianity. Her response about cherry-picking the good passages of the Bible possibly equating to cherry-picking inspirational passages from Mein Kampf demonstrates my point about neither of those books truly being the end-all be-all or the foremost authority with regard to the subjects that they talk about. When taken out of context, many things look good and "right".

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

 grrlysquirrel75  Honestly.  The difference is that we have the common sense to not use Hitler's manifesto as "scripture". Instead, we use the bible... which actually contains even more atrocities.

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

 Honestly.

 I guess so... but while there are lots of nice passages about peace, love, and fairness, there are just as many about killing witches and non believers. As a non believer, no matter how you look at it, I end up struck down (ie DEAD) by the rightous. Dead is dead.

JessicaKhurana 5 pts

 grrlysquirrel75  Shulamit

 According to the believer, the bible was written through divine inspiration. It has no flaws, and is god's own word. Choosing to ignore the majority of its contents because they don't jive with a civilized society seems a bit presumtuous for mere mortals, don't you think? It is true that most christians are good people. It is also true that most muslims and jews are also good people. Can't we just say that it is true that most PEOPLE are good people? Can't we just be good people without that archaic torture manual? If we keep it around, someone may one day take it seriously and actually DO some of the terrible things our loving GOD calls us to do in it.

Karla 18240 pts

Wonderfully written.  Thanks for sharing.  I have made it my business to read about other religions to gain an understanding of human nature and human beings.  I have taken readings and philosophies from each religion and incorporated them into my life.  I just don't think Christianity is the only religion that exists or is true.  People find their spirituality in different ways and I respect that.  I love the diversity; it makes for a richer life.

Lili2009 1827 pts

Thanks for your informative post. I was baptized Catholic and so is my son, but we did it mostly to please my family. Not sure in which direction we will go for spiritual teaching. I'm not a great believer in organized religion, either, but I'm still working it out. Husband was raised with no religious training. However, he is the most generous and compassionate person I've ever known. Something about religious dogma that kills those good human traits sometimes. Anyway, I love to learn about religions and I see them as very much an expression of human culture and a way for human beings to understand the mysteries of life. So, still working it out. Thanks, again, for a good post.

R. Kamaria 854 pts

I grew up with a Christian mother and Muslim father. People ask, what are you? I say I am that I am. And that throws them off. I said I'm a believer. In what??? Energy, God and Love. My friends who didn't know my dad was a muslim would talk major isht about islam and how crazy and evil muslims are. Then I'd tell them about when my dad would teach me to pray and the time I went to the mosque with him. Then they'd make up some excuse or say that they only mean the terrorist muslims. Get out of here!!

Grace80 204 pts

 R. Kamaria Faux American convert Muslim or West African Muslim?

 

I think that the reason most African Muslims like West Africans don't really practice Islam and fast to convert to something else is the feeling that they don't really belong in it. It's the reason that there's no outrage for Sudan as there is for Palestine.

Sophia 486 pts

 Grace80 More like that outrage is selective depending on who is doing the hurting.  

 

If non-Muslims hurt/persecute Muslims, like in Palestine, then it is a big huge deal.

 

However if it is Muslims persecuting other Muslims or non-Muslims, then the Muslim world doesn't really care.  

 

The only people who give a shit about Sudan, other than the afflicted Sudanese groups, are Western charitable organizations. 

Shulamit 1982 pts

here ya go.. Sephardic Israeli Jew: http://bit.ly/Kbkpxo  **drools**

 

Tammy_Ghalden 867 pts

 Shulamit Damn! He is hot. I love the way Middle Eastern men look.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden He is Oded Fehr from the movie The Mummy...

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

 Shulamit Is it wrong to say he's my favorite Jew? 

**runs off to update my Yummy Goodness Pinterest board :-)

Shulamit 1982 pts

 LadyLittlefoot LMAO. He is a JEW so nope.. He is one of my faves too. and where is this Pinterest board so I can follow? lol

Karla00 382 pts

I currently live & work among a few people that are Jewish. It's funny because I was reading one of your post the other day and realized that your last name was Jewish. I'm currently dating a Jewish guy and even though he's far from being orthodox its been quite a learning experience.

MySmile 4175 pts

Honestly, I have never met a black Jew but I knew they existed :-).  Nice to meet you lol. I think people are going to be like that for a while when it comes to black people. They assume we are all of the hoopin and hollering variety lol. I'm a Christian with some Agnostic viewpoints. I think there's some stuff nobody can really know! I'm still forming my beliefs about religion. I went to a christian school when I was little and was forced to attend church on Sundays and Wednesdays (still was, even when I was in my parents house temporarily last year...I'm in my early 20s!!!). I just couldn't stand it. My whole family is religious and it drives me up a wall. I never had a choice. Nothing turns you away from church quicker than sitting through a 4 hour church service. I like peace and quiet (except when I choose to be in a loud environment) and I'm not a morning person so sometimes it drives me crazy to be around all that screaming, hollering, and fainting. Also, if I see one more facebook preacher I'm going to shoot myself in the foot..well, not really...but still, even if you're an open minded Christian like me you can feel left out. Seriously, why are black people as a whole so super duper dramatic with their religion? I'm not knocking someone who is deep into their beliefs...I'm just saying you can believe without being annoying lol. When parents are extremely pushy it usually has the opposite effect. Many agnostics, free spirits, and atheists come from religious (mostly christian) backgrounds. I understand bringing up a child into a certain religion, but once you get to a certain age, religion is more personal. I'm glad I'm on my own now and not forced to go to church. I am still expected to go to church when I visit though but I try to find ways around it lol.

sMoriarty 505 pts

 MySmile 

"Seriously, why are black people as a whole so super duper dramatic with their religion?"

 

Omg! As soon as I read this my mind immediately went to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVCUTt57en0

 

Its hilarious because when I used to go to chuch with my mom, there were people who would *really* do that. Nobody loves the 'Lawd' quite like black people haha. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsXBFX2mpjI

(just because it's pretty)

I do miss hearing the Choir. However I don't miss the 1673215812389 Billion hours of preaching. 

Joyce345 1738 pts

 sMoriarty  MySmile 

LOL! As an African I have always been fascinated by AA gospel music. I LOOOVED Whitney Houston's 'The Preacher's Wife' for the church music. In fact one of the things I wanted to see in America was a 'black church.'

 

I always said when I went to America I had to get to see 'black church' for myself lol!

 

Anywhoo, Africans are also VERY dramatic about their religion. It is just a different kind of dramatic. I guess we have that in common.