EarthJeff: Swirling on Planet Earth Part IV: “The Appeal”

EarthJeff: Swirling on Planet Earth Part IV: “The Appeal”

“In my last installment of Swirling on Planet Earth, I mentioned that there are several reasons why I prefer black women. Here they are…”

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Apologies for the parts of this that I have gotten into in response to various posts previously, but not everyone reads every thread.  In my last installment of Swirling on Planet Earth, I mentioned that there are several reasons why I prefer black women.  Someone asked me what some of these reasons are and I am glad to share although I admit just a bit of anxiety in doing so only because I do not want to offend anyone.  There are fine lines between racial fetishism, stereotypes, and a sincere preference for characteristics that groups may possess.  Now, every individual is just that – individual.  Personalities are different and drive much of who we are.  Physical characteristics are different.  However, there really are traits and characteristics that a group may have more than another group.  So let me ask this – if someone tends to prefer some of those traits, does that mean that such interest is “racial fetishism”?  I do not believe so but certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the answer to this.  These reasons are not in any type of priority order, by the way.  They are just my random thoughts.

I love full, luscious lips.  Lip gloss on beautiful, full lips just gives me shivers.

I adore beautiful skin tones.  There is such wonderful variety from person to person.  I cant fully explain why but I just think people look better with skin tones that are various shades of brown, but I just do.  Bee’s son, who is 6, was drawing various people and saying “nana is black…. Sister is brown…. Mama is white (not sure where that came from)… uncle is brown….” And when she asked him what color I am he said “Jeff is peach”!

Black women have such fantastic hair.  While white women have appealing hair in terms of variety of color (my daughter has red hair, which I love), the hair appeal of black women is in their style.  I love the huge range of ways black women wear their hair.  Natural, braided, gelled down, to the side, extensions, nice bun…. The list goes on and on.  I love them all.  I admit that I do have some of this fascination that is the curiosity that many white people have about black hair.  My favorite episode of the “Unwritten Rules” was the one about hair.  While I understand how irritating it must be when white people ask you, incredulously, “What do you mean you don’t wash your hair every day” or “how do they get those pieces to stay on your head”… it is just fascinated curiosity.  For the most part, I do not believe that there is any racial intent.  Rude?  Probably.  Irritating?  Certainly.  But it is not intentionally racist, even though it is born of ignorance.  The texture of coarse, dark hair is just beautiful to me as well.  I certainly do appreciate all the trouble that women have to go through to keep their hair nice.

OK… keep in mind that I am a guy…. I love nice, round, curvy bottoms.  So wonderfully feminine and appealing.  Look, Mother Nature put certain things on males and females to help attract each other so the species would continue on.  Find a mate and breed, right (Hey, ladies, I AM a Biology teacher…)  A nice round bottom is one of those.  Oddly enough (and I think I mentioned this in some earlier post), Bee does NOT have a nice curvy booty.  It is disproportionally small for her body.  Her back just kind of tails off like the cliff Sylvester Stallone is hanging on to in the opening scene of “Cliffhanger”.  She and I joke all the time about her “cute, tiny little booty”.  See, I don’t need ALL of these things.

These next couple need a disclaimer first.  I am NOT playing on this stereotype (which I personally do not like) of the “angry, rude, loud, belligerent, angry black woman who will snap on anyone”.  Most women are not like that at all.  Stereotypes are overblown characterizations based on some traits that have just a hint of truth.  That all being said, I love that black women are much more likely to tell you if she is upset with you and why.  I don’t mean to “get in your grill and go ham on you” – she may very calmly and politely tell you – but she WILL tell you.  I would much prefer to know why she is mad, get it worked out, and move on.  Many white women, on the other hand, may often play that stupid game of being pissed off for days expecting you to guess or figure it out as to the reason why.  Look, just friggin’ tell me and lets work it out.

In addition, black women tend to be as loyal and protective as a lioness.  She will protect hers to the death.  Her kids… her man… everything.  That is a great feeling that your lady is that loyal and protective.  She is anything but helpless.  One evening my son was at his high school football game and he got dinged up and was down on the field.  I called Bee and told her that he was down but seemed OK and she immediately asked “Who hurt our baby”?  What, like she was going to vault the fence and run on the field and run after # 63 on the other team and chase him?  Boy would that have been a sight.  On second thought, I don’t want to know.

Even on a recent post here a joking, general comment was made and someone – I believe it was our beloved Brenda – joked that she wouldn’t want my Bee to come over and take off her earrings and open a can of Whup Ass.  It IS funny and we joke about it because what it really means is that there is an incredible quality black women tend to have of being fiercely loyal and protective.

As long as you are true and loving back to her, she will give you her heart – completely – forever.  Wow.

Looks like Mother Nature knows what she is doing.  Finally… passionate.  Ah, maybe that one needs to wait for some other time….

 

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CAPT SMOOTH 7217 pts

I think black women are as diverse as any other race of women. I've known very shy demure black girls and brash extroverted ones. Unfortunately, there is a truism that can not be denied, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"! The shy ones get ignored and the loud ones get all the attention. That's how the stereotypes get started! The media picks up on it and the next thing you know, we get the sassy Florence from "The Jeffersons" and Aunt Esther from "Sanford and Sons" defining black women. Both a far cry from the competant dignified role Diahann Carroll played a decade earlier in the sixties show "Julia". Black women are getting better roles today even though there's still a ways to go. We still have throwbacks to those stereotypes when Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj can't seem to get along on a show without the bitter catfights. Of course, that could just be a "diva" thing! LOL!

 

Speaking as one of the white guys that frequent this site, it does get hard to compliment black women as a collective without getting under someones thin skin. Every statement has to be prefaced with "some" or "many" so as not to offend somebody!  It's funny, I've never known any black guy that was offended by the stereotypes of black men being overly endowed. LOL! We are starting to wonder if black womens self esteem has been so damaged that some can not process a compliment any more. Some BW think there is no way a white guy can be attracted to them unless it's a fetish thing. Ladies, there is not a boy scout merit badge for sleeping with a black girl. I would not go as far as saying these ignorant jerks don't exist, but don't paint every white guy with the same broad brush that includes those idiots. 

 

 

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

 CAPT SMOOTH 

One of the things that helps a lot is men like your self entering sites like this one and engaging black women. I feel that this back and forth between non-black men and black women is vital. 

 

IRRs between black women and non-black men are still relatively rare, and there is a lot of misinformation, misunderstanding and miscommunication, false assumptions and stereotypes between the two groups that have to be waded through.  We cannot get to the bottom of that by yelling at each other and ratcheting up the heat level just because you thought you understood something that my or may not have been the intent of the person making the statement.

 

 It is one of the main reasons that I make sure that the guys are not ganged up on  here on this site.

I would like to see more non-black men here to tell their stories and engage the women here.  I feel that we all benefit from those exchanges. 

 

Finally thanks for being here Smooth and for being an active participant. 

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

I see you DWB. Happy your here and join in the fun also. The off topic thread would not be the same with out you. 

DWB 7236 pts

 Brenda55 HA HA -- thanks! ;-)

CAPT SMOOTH 7217 pts

 Brenda55 With a group of ladies as intiguing as I find here It's my pleasure.

 ;-)

Joyce345 1738 pts

I remember some time back quite a few ladies were co-signing a black man's negative comments about bw because 'some bw are like that.' So we can take an insult from a black man but not a compliment from a wm?

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Joyce345 Absolutely not on my part. And also, not everyone takes the same comments as compliments, even if they aren't offended by said comments, they still might not view the comments as compliments, where as someone else might. As the poster MySmile said in one of her posts, it's not an etiher/or situation.  Just because a black woman may not exactly like a comment that a white man makes doesn't mean that that same woman would automatically accept/appreciate any type of comment coming from a black man. 

Joyce345 1738 pts

 introvertedwanderer

This whole debacle just looks like a manifestation of indoctrination to me.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 introvertedwanderer  Joyce345 It would be easier to buy that line of thought if there wasn't such abundant proof to the contrary.

 

BTW, if a lady doesn't like a comment or compliment coming from a particular man, she need not show her behind; she can simply walk away. I've done it many times. Many a creep has walked up to me to tell me how "luscious my ta-tas looked" or something just as unsavory, YET not a single one of those men could tell you what my voice sounds like.

 

Maybe more Black parents need to start teaching self-control to their children, if nothing else. My father always told us, "Just because someone else is acting a fool doesn't mean that you have to join them." Good advice for children and adults.

 

What EarthJeff said in his post was anything but unsavory, and if you and others felt it did not apply to you, why say anything at all? I agree with Joyce345. It's nothing more than a manifestation of indoctrination. Good luck carrying that baggage through life and into IRR. You'll need it.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  

"BTW, if a lady doesn't like a comment or compliment coming from a particular man, she need not show her behind; she can simply walk away. I've done it many times. Many a creep has walked up to me to tell me how "luscious my ta-tas looked" or something just as unsavory, YET not a single one of those men could tell you what my voice sounds like.

 

I don't know what you mean by this, seeing as how I have never "showed my behind" on this forum. I've always been respectful of others views even if I disagreed. Oh, trust me, I've also chosen to just walk away on several different occasions,  so it's not just you.

 

"Maybe more Black parents need to start teaching self-control to their children, if nothing else. My father always told us, "Just because someone else is acting a fool doesn't mean that you have to join them." Good advice for children and adults."

 

You don't know how I grew up, so I'll tell you.  I grew up with parents, especially my mother, who  placed a  great deal of importance on self-control, having manners, being polite, and just being disciplined.  I am actually a very reserved person.  I don't like a lot of commotion, but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion, AND also, if I feel iike someone is coming at me with disrespect, I can choose to say something back.  If you have a problem with that, then that's you, not me.

 

"if you and others felt it did not apply to you, why say anything at all?"

 

Because I wanted to, so I did.  It's a forum, so I'm allowed to do that in a respectful manner, until banned.

 

 

 
AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 introvertedwanderer "You don't know how I grew up, so I'll tell you."

 

Never said I did. Don't really care.

 

 "I don't like a lot of commotion, but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion, AND also, if I feel iike someone is coming at me with disrespect, I can choose to say something back...."

 

What you expressed was not an opinion, it was an edict on how BW in general should be complimented by non-BM, when they aren't even addressing YOU directly. Question: Did you feel that this post was "coming at you with disrespect"?

 

"If you have a problem with that, then that's you, not me."

 

You're right, I definitely have a problem with the behaviour patterns of BW like you. Whether either of us likes it or not, your behaviour will always reflect on other BW. And this seeming inability to handle something as harmless as a compliment coming from a non-BM (a condition that only afflicts certain AA women) was being discussed yesterday, on another IRR blog. And the subject was broached by a WM who read the comments here on this blog. And YES, that bothers me. I am not even single and it bothers me!

 

Black women from other cultures don't have to be concerned about this asinine behaviour affecting their personal lives, because they make a point of keeping AAs at arms length - personally and politically (which is wise of them), but AA women don't have that luxury.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 AndreaLThorsen

 "Never said I did. Don't really care."

 

You don't care yet you make a blanket statement about how more black parents need to teach their kids self-control.  Your statements came off to me like you were subtly implying that black women who take issue with something and voice thier opinions, must not have been taught any self-control while growing up, and are going to automatically go off on someone over a comment. I was simply letting you know that that is not always the case. Just because I might not exactly like what somene says, doesn't mean I'm going to jump down the person's throat over the comment.  But I might politely inform the person of my own preferences.

 

"What you expressed was not an opinion, it was an edict on how BW in general should be complimented by non-BM, when they aren't even addressing YOU directly. Question: Did you feel that this post was "coming at you with disrespect"?"

 

No, it was my opinion, what I personally feel, my personal preference on the matter. I am allowed to have an opinion. I personally feel that these types of comments/compliments should be more specific, obviously some people agreed with me and others didn't.  But it was still my opinion, and one that I stil stand by. And as I said before, I'm allowed to do that, since this is an open forum. And no I did not feel like this entry was disrespectful to me.  I've already stated in a couple of my other posts that I did not really feel insulted/upset by EarthJeff's entry, just that I had my own opinion on the subject. When someone writes an entry, they typically don't have just one person in mind, but once they put up the entry, we as individual posters can give our opinion on their thoughts.

 

"You're right, I definitely have a problem with the behaviour patterns of BW like you. Whether either of us likes it or not, your behaviour will always reflect on other BW. And this seeming inability to handle something as harmless as a compliment coming from a non-BM (a condition that only afflicts certain AA women) was being discussed yesterday, on another IRR blog. And the subject was broached by a WM who read the comments here on this blog. And YES, that bothers me. I am not even single and it bothers me!"

 

 

And once again, that's you. And also, you don't know me, so you don't know my behavioral patterns.  You aren't around me to observe my behavior on a regular basis, so you have almost no basis for your statement.

 

"Whether either of us likes it or not, your behaviour will always reflect on other BW."

 

Well, it's a good thing then that when I'm out and about, I usually handle myself very well. 

 

"And this seeming inability to handle something as harmless as a compliment coming from a non-BM"

 

I don't have a problem handling compliments from non-black men.  Just the other day, a white guy who was at the place in which I work asked me my name,  I told him, and he said it was a pretty name. I said "thank you" and told him "nice to meet you".  Now, if I couldn't take a compliment, that small exchange wouldn't have went like that.

 

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 introvertedwanderer I'm somewhat relieved to hear that you only feel free to "have an opinion" online. Or, perhaps, that guy at your job was lucky that he only complimented your name. :)

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 AndreaLThorsen

 

Actually, I feel free to have an opinion in my day to day life, off line as well.  But actually you make a good point though, because I am introverted, so it might take me a while to collect my thoughts and process information, which actually makes some people feel that I don't have a voice, because I don't vocalize everything right away.   Kind of funny how that works, because of personality.  Also, atating an opinion may lead to interesting discussions in a person's daily life.  If you and I were friends and we went to watch a movie and one person ended up liking the movie, while the other one didn't, that's a difference of opinion that we have that we can then elaborate on through discussion of various components of the movie, such as storyline, development of characters, etc. 

 

Also,   I generally have a  pleasant demeanor, even though I'm not the most demonstrative person, so that guy had no reason to assume that I would have gone off on him for giving me a compliment like that.  That compliment/comment was perfectly fine on his part.  Now, if he had said something that was more along the lines of "Oh, you're so beautiful.  I love black women", that's when I would have been like "What"  and just went about my way, without really acknowledging him, either in a positive or negative way.

 

But anyway, this has been interesting. Thanks for the back and forth. : ) 

Lexi88 2180 pts

WOW! can we say over-analyzing?! 

 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

I didn't read all the comments but I wonder why every time a white guy comes on here, a bunch of bw think they're talking directly to them. If you don't like wm like this, don't date them. And move on with your life, I swear folks sit around waiting to be offended by everything AAnd nothing. I swear it's ppl on here that need mental help, and some wander why they can't find a date. Wow! It's not that serious, @EarthJeff got a woman he don't want nobody on her, he's just complimenting folks. I wonder what's wrong with a woman that can't take a compliment, that's some deep issues there. And it's totally ungracious, too many bw been indoctrinated by the blk community into thinking if a wm give them a compliment it's a fetish. My husband can talk about my curvy behind all night long, I works what I got.

Elegance 2096 pts

Wow that post was amazing and totally confirms what I think is attractive about BW. You know what, I wrote a post on my blog stating the EXACT SAME POINTS! I know that these things are attractive to the men who like BW. It was a very popular post and many BW loved it, saw it as a compliment, and felt better about themselves as they should after reading your post.

 

BUT there were also some BW who HATED that post too! Their complaints were shocking to me! First someone were uncomfortable with someone saying such positive things about BW as though it was fake, vain, or unnatrual. Then there were others who said it was objectifying them and they did not want to be liked only for their looks!?? Of course no one wants to be liked only for their looks but that's the first thing that attracts someone when they meet you good grief! Others even said it was racist to point out ways that BW are more attractive than others...and yes it was BW saying it was racist for another BW to list attractive things about BW.  A last criticism was that it was not up to BW to advertise their attractiveness, but as you have seen here don't accept when White men do it either. 

 

In my opinion, you can't help what you like or find attractive. If you get negative feedback on your statements then you will just keep thinking them but not saying them aloud. The women who have problems with this have self-hate issues and issues with White men that they have to deal with because they are suspicious are reading malice in benign compliments that other women accept gladly. They make it hard to like or get along with BW which is really counterproductive on a blog about interracial dating that tries to make IR seem attractive!!!!

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 Elegance I am not surprised by what happened on your blog. Despite the claims to the contrary here, I have NEVER heard a BM give a compliment to BW, specifically or in general, who was then naysaid. It's usually eaten up with a spoon. And it's NEVER something that applies to all BW. NEVER!

 

I believe that the women who do this are very much in denial. They may not even realize that they have these issues. In my experience, such women are usually not the deep thinking, self-reflective type. And their romantic relationships tend to be short-lived, which speaks for itself.

 

Frankly, anyone who would demand that any and all compliments directed towards BW as a group be so general (and non-physical) that they could easily be directed at Hispanics, Asians, Caucasians and any other group of women, has both ethnic and body issues that they need to deal with. Pretending that it's "just a matter of opinion" is insulting.

 

You don't want to be lumped in with other Black women positively, but you don't mind being lumped in with non-BW positively? Hmm... Interesting.

FriendsofJay 1807 pts

Ladies, can't you just take a compliment at face value.  None of us WM would be on this blog if we didn't like you. 

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

I'm catching up on my BB&W reading and was not even going to respond to this post EarthJeff . Then I started reading the comments and I ended up stopping after a few references to some posters responses down thread. 

 

I appreciate that you took the time to write this series and this post especially. Preferences are exactly that and you should not be chastised for yours. I cannot fathom how someone could have taken offense at what you wrote but then again some people find trouble where there is none. 

 

Keep writing EarthJeff and letting black women know that they are beautiful inside and out. Obviously, some woman missed out on positive affirmations. 

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 LadyLittlefoot "I appreciate that you took the time to write this series and this post especially. "

Thank you, Maam.  It is easy to write when you write from the heart...

DWB 7236 pts

Hmm ... from the descriptions of the white guys that a few ladies here have had the unfortunate experience to have had to deal with, I think that I understand some of the uneasiness with the piece by Jeff.

 

I suspect that these guys have used some of the same wording to describe their stereotypical expectations of what a black girl is "supposed" to conform to.

 

Those guys are idiots.

 

Ironically, they seem to conform to a stereotype of a white guy who is only interested in black women for less than honorable reasons.

 

Irony ... she is ironic.

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB hahaha I like you Mr. DWB.  That's all I was trying to say. I didn't even drag EarthJeff into it..I was just speaking in general terms while we were on the subject... I also wasn't talking about all white men who give black women compliments....I don't have a type but you sound like the type of guy I'd date (if I was older..not sure of your age...and if you weren't married lol)  You seem very understanding.

 

Lol at "Irony, she is ironic!!!"

DWB 7236 pts

 MySmile The best advice that I can give you is to NOT follow the example that my wife and I laid down with our former spouses. Take the time NOW to figure out what you want and the things that you most prize in a mate. You will never get everything that you WANT, but by avoiding those things that you HATE, you will be much happier in the long run.

 

Believe me, those stereotypical white guy, wanna-be playa's annoy me as well. Don't give them the attention they crave by letting them get to you for even a second ... they're not worth it.

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

 DWB  MySmile This is to DWB. I agree whit what you posted. Keith and I also follow the don't go to bed mad rule also.  We clear the air asap.

 

It has been my experience that most men prefer this way of dealing with relationship conflicts.  I have been told by non-black men that one of the reasons they like and admire black women is that we are not afraid the lay it on the line from the door and not do the sulk for days bit.

 

Oh excuse me too general....... I have been told by some non-black men that one of the reasons they like and admire the black women they are involved with is that they are not afraid the lay it on the line from the door and not do the sulk for days bit........close call. 

 

In any event you get the jist of what I am saying. Has thet been your experience?.

DWB 7236 pts

 Brenda55  MySmile Yes, yes it is. Both of our ex's used this subtle (but very accurately described as mental abuse) punishment  to control us. It goes back (I think) to the way that men are generally mentally "hard-wired" to handle problems.

 

Since we are both Christians, my wife and I also realize that Satan can use this to bring us apart.

 

Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree, but leaving stuff to fester and grow is not good. We have learned, the HARD way, that unresolved issues can be a relationship killer.

 

The ability to do this is something that I believe that American black women are better at and this has nothing to do with the hand on hip, man-killer stereotype of black women. My wife is the sweetest, most non confrontational women that you could ever meet. That said, I have been around long enough to notice the difference between cultures.

 

As always, YMMV.

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

 DWB  MySmile 

"Both of our ex's used this subtle (but very accurately described as mental abuse) punishment  to control us."

 

I agree.  I also find that this "go off into a corner and sulk" act is more a matter of a insecure person not wanting to deal with a situation up front but wanting to manipulating a person to come across to their way of thinking. While the person is shut down the other person is  on pins and needles wondering what they did or did not do. They are stuck and at the control of the person doing the sulking. 

 

The person sulking may indeed be "gathering their thoughts". I am not so sure that is always the case.  That pass works for the young and immature but as one gets older a person should have enough insight and confidence in their selves and faith in the person that they are in a relationship with to outline clearly what the problem is and then move on.  

 

For grown women to do the sulk for days bit is IMO less about "gathering their thoughts"  but manipulation and control born out of insecurity. An insecure person usually ends up in a very unsatisfactory and in a lot of cases short lived relationships if they find a relationship at all. All to often that same person lacks the insight to see that they are indeed the problem and not their partner. They also tend to expect all of the change to come from the other person and not themselves. The want others to fit some sort of parameter that they set.  That is not of course realistic.

 

I do not think that the whole sulk, cry at the drop of the hat behavior  is prized in much of the black community.  It is seen as a form of weakness that black women really could not afford to display. I do not see black woman's strength any different than I do the British reputation for having that stoic, stiff upper lip. I admire that slogan that was popular during WW2.  "Keep calm and carry on". That to me describes a good attitude to have. 

DWB 7236 pts

 Brenda55  MySmile People are different so I can completely understand how some people would want to collect their thoughts and let some of the anger subside before saying something they don't mean.

 

Beyond that, I believe your analysis is spot on.

 

Your final paragraph is EXACTLY the quality I think of when I personally praise black women for their strength. NOBODY deserves to be somebody else's doormat.

 

It's kinda funny that calling a black woman "strong" has become an insult to some. When I hear it I think "classy." What do they think? Why?

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

 DWB  MySmile I think that the collect your thought thing is fine. Sort of like counting to ten and taking a deep breath to prevent yourself from saying that you would regret later.

 

Some folks just freeze up and the words become stuck in their throats. That is problematic and it is something that the person themselves has to work at changing. Few people are going to put up with a person like that for very long.

 

I think that the whole idea of strength became a negative for black women when more and more of life's burdens were placed singularly on her shoulders. The strength that I spoke about was practiced by women in concert with the men in their lives. Black women all too often do not have that partnership. Also strength in the black community  and especially out side of it is also seen as a way to masculinity black women. 

 

I will admit that I have a problem with the whole "strong black women" meme.  It is as burdensome and limiting as the "have it all foolishness" that some white feminist tout.  Both are unrealistic standards that do more harm than good.

 

Think about the roles that men have to live up to.  They are a bit freer now but think of your dad's generation of men or even his father's. No show of emotion. Pillar of strength.  That was so limiting and not always healthy for every man. "The Strong Black woman"  thing is just the same for black women which is why some of us hate it.

DWB 7236 pts

 Brenda55  MySmile "Think about the roles that men have to live up to.  They are a bit freer now but think of your dad's generation of men or even his father's. No show of emotion. Pillar of strength.  That was so limiting and not always healthy for every man. "The Strong Black woman"  thing is just the same for black women which is why some of us hate it."

 

That makes perfect sense and I can relate to it since, though I like the strong silent male archetype, there is more to a man than just that. I once heard Wynton Marsalis asked about a certain particularly soulful, intricate solo and he said that he tapped into his feminine side to come up with it 

 

NO!!!!

 

I have that same side and it is quite masculine thank you very much! ;-)

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

 DWB  MySmile LOL.  I think men do that feminine side.  I have seen so many men in the role of care giver and nurturer  to sick spouses and children and it is the most beautiful thing and loving thing to see. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@DWB @Brenda55 @MySmile that's called passive aggressive, my ex husband was passive aggressive it drove me nuts. It's a form of emotional abuse.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 DWB  Brenda55  MySmile LOL.

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 Brenda55  DWB  MySmile "It has been my experience that most men prefer this way of dealing with relationship conflicts. "

I know that I do

Brenda55 19276 pts moderator

DWB

"Hmm ... from the descriptions of the white guys that a few ladies here have had the unfortunate experience to have had to deal with, I think that I understand some of the uneasiness with the piece by Jeff.

 

I suspect that these guys have used some of the same wording to describe their stereotypical expectations of what a black girl is "supposed" to conform to.

 

Those guys are idiots.

 

Ironically, they seem to conform to a stereotype of a white guy who is only interested in black women for less than honorable reasons.

 

Irony ... she is ironic."

 

Excellent point.  It also speaks volumes that a woman coming to an IRR site cannot make the distinction between that guy and one who is currently in an IRR himself.

 

The fault is on the part of the woman IMO.

 

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

Aww, Jeff, you're such a sweetie pie. The fact that you can be real about what you like is good. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the physical characteristics that are prevalent among a certain type of woman. And that's what you were doing, showing appreciation. You're very loving and respectful in your assessment.

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 grrlysquirrel75 "Aww, Jeff, you're such a sweetie pie. The fact that you can be real about what you like is good. "

Thank you, dear....  I love to share and I love the interactions on this blog, so writing from the heart is really easy for me.

Statuesque 1713 pts

I'll admit that I did NOT scroll down to see what some people who were offended might have said.  I'm pretty sure I already know.

 

Jeff, thank you for sharing your thoughts respectfully and honestly.  At this point any man with the stones to opine on anything in this place should be lauded!

 

I think I am pretty good at discerning positive intent from men, and two men could utter the EXACT same phrase and I would bristle at one and smile at the other.  That's just the way it is with me...intent matters more than anything else.  I'm not a give-a-blanket-pass sort of woman nor do I take an everything-you-say-will-be-used-against-you approach.  Especially not on a racial basis.

 

I surely hope the man who is interested in me appreciates my physical features and isn't afraid to tell me why. Why is it a "fetish" to appreciate the physical characteristics the person you are interested in possesses?  The level of fetishist (if it ain't a word, it is now) obsession with Black women's backsides is at epic proportions among BLACK men, not White men, IMO. There's a double standard here.

 

If someone asked me to write an article about why White men appeal to me physically you better believe there would be unique physical characteristics that I would point out!!  Call it a fetish if you want, but if that person was a White man who was convinced that my honest and heartfelt appreciation of my attraction was not sincere, I'd feel just sorry for him. 

 

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 Statuesque "Jeff, thank you for sharing your thoughts respectfully and honestly.  At this point any man with the stones to opine on anything in this place should be lauded!"

 

You are very welcome.  I admit that I get such awesome advice on this blog, it is really a daily part of my life and i have found it to be very enriching...

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 The Working Home Keeper Thank you, Maam

HotToastAndButter 146 pts

You're so right about black hair and white curiosity. It's not always meant to offend. The other day I was walking down a busy street with my shopping bags, and I could hear someone shouting 'Hey', being in my own little world I continued to strut ahead. Until the guy call stopped in front of me, he was an flamboyant-gothic looking white guy who said "Can I touch your hair? It looks absolutely gorgeous", I let him. As bizzare as that moment was, I was flattered that he would sprint across a busy street Usain Bolt style just to feel MY hair. That was a compliment. Unlike the time when a homeless white woman came up behind me and smelt my freshly blow-dried Afro....

KingsDaughter 4584 pts

 HotToastAndButter  Do you think we're generally less offended by men asking as opposed to women (WW especially)?

HotToastAndButter 146 pts

 KingsDaughter Maybe, I suppose with men there is a lack of the 'competitive' vibe you would get from a female. However it also depends on how they asked. That homeless woman just smelt it as if she was entitled to do so. No words spoken, just sniff, grumble grumble and off she went on her way. Maybe if her fingernails weren't so full of dirt and she had attempted to speak to me I wouldn't have been so freaked out. Now my hair is in braids, but in the summer (when I usually where it in an afro) I'm going to be ducking like a Kung fu spy ready to slap away any hands creeping towards my 'fro.

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 HotToastAndButter "You're so right about black hair and white curiosity. "

 

It really is for the most part fascinated curiosity.  I STILL dont get how they attach some of the beautiful weaves or extensions or how you get them to stay in place.  But many of them are gorgeous.  One day Bee and I ran into one of her friends.  After the conversation and she walked away, I said to Bee "wow, I really like that look on her of just her tight gelled hair and that pretty bun", and Bee said to me "oh that bun is fake".  And I commented "it really is a nice look on her".

KinkyBottleBlonde00 206 pts

Ok, so from this post, (along with other posts I've seen), I've learned that it is never ok for men to share their opinions regarding their personal lives...got it. This "discussion" reads too much like the afternath of what happens when a woman asks her bf's opinion on which dress or shoes to wear and how they make her look :/

BWWithOtherBrothers 421 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00 Its a small minority that make the most noise. The rest of us who may lurk or not post as much appreciate what he's written.

EarthJeff 3239 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00 "reads too much like the afternath of what happens when a woman asks her bf's opinion on which dress or shoes to wear and how they make her look :/"

 

Ooooh, I call that the "unanswerable question" that women love to ask because there is no correct answer for the guy to give.  Men in a relationship often get various unanswerable questions - AT LEAST IN MY OPINION AND EXPERIENCE - and wise men will punt.  I was teaching my 15 year old son about unanswerable questions from women just a couple weeks ago....... 

TeeVee 278 pts

Earth Jeff, thank you for all the wonderful things you've said about black women. I really enjoyed your series.

 

 

BWWithOtherBrothers 421 pts

 TeeVee Me, too. Dude gave BW more love in one post than the entire history of hiphop!!