EarthJeff: Swirling on Planet Earth Part IV, “The Look”

EarthJeff: Swirling on Planet Earth Part IV, “The Look”

“I enjoy the looks that we get from people in public as we hold hands, as I have my arm around Bee, when I rub her shoulders or back, or when I kiss the back of her head. One person out of every 10 gives an “Awww, isn’t that sweet?” look. On the other hand, nine out of 10 just give “The Look” of shock, surprise, or disgust. “

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This has been an interesting experience; this Swirling thing.  Something that I have already discovered is the shocked or surprised look that people give at seeing a mixed couple.  Of course, that is a learned behavior.  Before I relate an example to back that up, I do want to say that I enjoy the looks that we get from people in public as we hold hands, as I have my arm around Bee, when I rub her shoulders or back, or when I kiss the back of her head.  One person out of every 10 gives an “Awww, isn’t that sweet?” look.  On the other hand, nine out of 10 just give “The Look” of shock, surprise, or disgust.  Of those who give “The Look”…. White women seem to look like, “Why is that Black woman stealing one of OUR men?”  White men give a racist, disgusted look like, “Why is that “N”-lover mixing the races?”  Black women express disapproving looks that seem to reflect the often-discussed, “Why is she selling out?”  Black men have a jealous, ugly sneer as if to say, “Why is he stealing one of OUR Sistas?

Doesn’t she remember about slavery hundreds of years ago?”

One day we got “The Look” when we stopped at a suburban gas station. I pulled up to the pump and gave Bee a quick kiss before I got out of the car.  The woman across the pump stared at us and gave us The Look.  I went in to pay, and when I got back in the car after pumping the gas, Bee was laughing up a storm!  When I asked her what was so funny, she said that the woman who gave us The Look actually backed her car up a couple of feet to get a better look at Bee to see if the White guy ACTUALLY kissed a Black woman – and that when she confirmed her suspicions she had a look on her face like she peed her pants.  To the White woman at the gas station, I say: Yes, the White guy DID actually kiss that Black woman.
As I stated, I LIKE getting The Look.  Please do not get me wrong – I am not interested in interracial relationships just to make some political statement.  There are many reasons why I prefer Black women, and “Political Statement” is not one of them.  However, I do like to be out there showing that color does not matter and that interracial relationships are normal.  I believe the more that we show Swirling as normal; the more people will accept it.  Slowly to be sure for some, yet the acceptance will come.  I have pictures of my kids and Bee’s kids hanging by my desk.  When my students ask who all the kids are and I say “My girlfriend’s kids” I always get an amazed, “Your girlfriend is Black????” I just shrug nonchalantly and reply “Sure, why not?”  Some of the kids see me out and around with Bee in public too, because she actually lives in the area of the public high school where I teach.

At any rate, I stated earlier that expressing shock, disapproval, or disgust of interracial relationships is a learned behavior.  For example, the other day Bee and I went into a clothing store because she had to purchase some pants for her son.  We were standing in line at the register behind a young Black couple who had a toddler in a stroller.  The man gave me the “You are stealing a Sista” look, and the woman gave Bee the “You are a sellout” look.  The cashier, who was black, kept giving us the Stink Face.  Meanwhile the toddler in the stroller waved at me, then Bee, and then started playing peek-a-boo with me and saying hi to Bee. It did not occur to the little girl that there was anything at all unusual about a mixed couple.  To that baby, we were all just people.  During the entire time we were in line, a second cashier kept coming out from the back, staring at us, leaving, come back to stare again… for a total of three times . . . Geez . . . .

Sometimes The Look does not occur in long and involved encounters.  There’s the time when two Black women in the store saw me kiss the back of Bee’s head – and one of the women dropped the item she was carrying.  Or, the time we stopped at a red light, and a White man in the car next to us glared at us when he noticed Bee scratching my head.  Of course, there was also the waitress who smiled sweetly when she saw Bee and I holding hands.  I much prefer the sweet looks!  I know that I always make a point to GIVE the sweet looks when I notice a mixed couple.  The more prevalent that interracial relationships become, though, the more accepted that they will be and the less we will all get The Look.

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diamondgal 431 pts

Haven't had too many problems with "the look", just based on who I'm with.  I prefer ethnic men as opposed to white (though there is nothing wrong at all with them, just a preference) and find that I take on the look (according to others) of whatever ethnicity that I'm with.  Indians think that I am Indian, etc.  The only thing that I notice is opposition from white men.  When I was with my Asian boyfriend, a white man came up to us and asked why I'm with him.  Black men as well.  Other than that, pretty positive feedback.

ann4950 732 pts

 diamondgal

 "When I was with my Asian boyfriend, a white man came up to us and asked why I'm with him."

 

That is interesting.  A bm I can understand.  Are you very fair or light in skin complexion?  If so, that probably explains why the wm said what he did. OTHH, it is not his business who you choose to date.  Good you for being so opened minded.

diamondgal 431 pts

 ann4950 Yeah, I don't understand that. No, I'm not very fair.  My complexion is almost identical to Stacey Dash and that's who most say I resemble. So, I'm obviously not white.

 

It is no one's business who people decide to date.  I don't understand the curiosity either.

 

On another topic, does anyone notice that some white men who are extremely nice to you regularly treating you differently after the election?  I work with an older white man who was very protective of me at work. Always talkative and gave me advice as if I was his kid.  Kid you not, this Tuesday, he is a completely different person.  

 

He sneers at me and is very short, to the point and all business.  On Tuesday,

he wouldn't even speak to me.

 

I'm just curious if anyone else is having this experience.  Maybe this should be included in one of the Obama threads.

MySmile 4172 pts

 diamondgal  Please start this conversation! We need it. I noticed it after the last election and I'm suspecting that's what's going on this time too...even though I haven't seen anything really obvious. I even heard on the radio after the 2008 election that some black people, who were the only speck of color at their jobs, were getting the stink eye and bad treatment from coworkers afterwards. Sounds like some people are a little salty! 

 

What annoys me about this is, though most black people voted for Obama, they can't automatically look at you and assume you did smh. Plus, are they going to get mad at all the white people (especially younger ones) who voted for him too??...because there's no way Obama could have won with just the black vote. They forget that important fact.

diamondgal 431 pts

@MySmile I will start on one of the President Obama posts! You're lucky to not have to be in a work environment with all of the tension. Yes, I fall into the generation that voted for Obama. But I wonder if I were white, would there be so much tension?

TeeVee 278 pts

Total strangers can be an absolute trip! 

 

EarthJeff, I love this series of essays.  I think it would be nice if Miss Bee would write about you! 

MySmile 4172 pts

Yeah, I have gotten a lot of "the look" but it's mostly positive, out of curiosity, or followed by a compliment...I don't always assume it's a bad  look but most times I can tell when it is. Like others have said, the longer you date interracial, the more normal it becomes. I still notice the looks (I'm nowhere near a veteran in the IR game..I'm only 23! lol) but I'm more comfortable with them now.  In most cases, I also find the look fascinating...but I never do over the top things to get attention.... I always wonder what someone's thoughts are behind the look....

Asia 195 pts

I too enjoy getting the look. I find it fascinating and I often wonder why they feel the need to give these looks or what their experiences have been like for them to feel that they need to give a look. I also make it a point to smile brightly at other interracial couples especially bwwm. Whenever I do see them there is just this understanding that transpires between us. =]

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

 Asia Haha I do that too!!!! :D Anytime I see a BWWM couple I just squeal and try not to look silly and obvious. Or bw any rainbeau really just that's the one I see most often when I do see it :D

Asia 195 pts

 somethingdifferent22 I know!! I find myself trying not to be too extreme. But often I want to go and talk with them but I stop myself.

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

 Asia <3 haha yesss the temptation is so strong though so I just smile and hope they catch it

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

Haha I'm with EarthJeff :) personally I love getting the stink eye. Thank you for making my dad and making me that important that you needed to get upset, obviously I must be doing well for myself. I never really see the stink eye from black women here in ny honestly mostly just more of a sad I wish I was her kind of thing. When I was in California people really didn't care but I met a lot of older white people who were very supportive. Here in NYC I DO get the stink eye from black males....a LOT you can just see the thoughts off "what a sell out" or jealous ww if the guy is particularly attractive. Haha strangely enough with my current boyfriend we seem to get a lot of jealous disbelief looks from older white guys or sometimes they just look happy for him. But this could be in part because I'm taller than my boyfriend at the moment or the fact that we're so affectionate. Either way I have seen the LOOK I doubt it will stop happening anytime soon, but really, it just makes my day ;)

oekmama 1047 pts

Thanks for the Tuesday-funny! You have a talent for comic writing. Luv it.

EarthJeff 3334 pts

"Thanks for the Tuesday-funny! You have a talent for comic writing. Luv it."

You are welcome.  And thanks for the compliment...

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

I think it's quite funny. I feel like flicking peas in their eyes, or make a really ugly face at them. Or dig in my nose, OR, OR.. dig in your boyfriends booty. Or start singing a song. GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO STARE AT. Or just say, "I don't appreciate your stares, you ugly crap" and start banging on the tables... 

 

But that's just me. I'd stop doing all this after I'm all old and straggly.. or not.  0_0

 

tracyreneejones 3575 pts

@astringofpearls you won't. :-) when someone throws a grenade at you, you catch it and throw it back... at least, I do. Its quite entertaining.

KingsDaughter 4641 pts

In my experience more often than not black women were the purveyors of THE LOOK.

SirLoinDeBeef 2510 pts

In our experience, as the WM part of our marriage, we get the 'hard-stare' from two groups of folks:

(A). Older black men, possibly operating under the 'rules of personal survival' learned in the 30's through the 50s, and,

(B) Younger white women, who seem to think, "another one off the market," and "what doe SHE have the WE don't?"

Kinda fun!

PamelaFoster 617 pts

Awesome life experiences EarthJeff, your Bee is a lucky lady..

EarthJeff 3334 pts

 PamelaFoster Thanks, but actually I consider myself to be the lucky one to have her....

KingsDaughter 4641 pts

 EarthJeff  PamelaFoster Aww, sweet :))

mzsunshine 2434 pts

Thanks EarrhJeff for sharing your experience with swirling.  I am really enjoying your series.  I was reading this at work during lunch and laughing my butt off.  I was out with a friend (wm) recently in Saint Petersburg, Florida attending a professional sporting event.  Now mind you, there was an older black gentleman who stopped in his tracks  (he was across the street getting ready to enter his vehicle) and stared at my friend and I as if he was seeing an apparition.  My friend didn't notice; I just chuckled to myself. At the game, white people rarely noticed , however, most of the black male cleaning crew seemed to take a second look.  I don't think any gave the stink eye or face, the looks seemed to be "oh, a wm/bw couple.

EarthJeff 3334 pts

 mzsunshine "Thanks EarrhJeff for sharing your experience with swirling.  I am really enjoying your series. "

You are welcome, and I am glad you and other folks are enjoying it.  I love to share stories and experiences anyway, so this is really easy for me.  Especially in such a warm and welcoming community as this one.

mzsunshine 2434 pts

 EarthJeff

 I hope I can find a rainbeau, who is as confident with his interracial relationship as you are with yours.  I like the fact that you are not ashamed or intimidated about what others think or openly express.  Kudos to you. Bee is fortunate to have you in her life.

MixedUpInVegas 1653 pts

Eh, well, this is Vegas.  It takes something startlingly unusual to even get a second glance here.  White people are barely the majority, there are a LOT of different ethnic groups.  You see every imaginable combination.  I can't say that I have noticed Beloved Spouse and I attracting much attention.

 

When we travel I still haven't noticed anyone paying any attention to us.  Might be because we're old and not worth looking at--although Beloved Spouse is a good-looking old hunk, if you ask me! 

AminahMatthews 540 pts

In reference to the toddler in the stoller- Some kids have more sense then these stupid ass adults.

Excuse my language.

oekmama 1047 pts

 AminahMatthews LOL. It makes me wonder what the stink-eye from those parents were about. Could it have been a bit of envy on both sides - If we could've seen their thought-bubble, would it have said, "You mean I didn't HAVE to marry this idiot?"

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

I haven't gotten 'the look' in a long time. When I first starting dating white guys I'd get it every once in awhile but here in Seattle it's such rare occasion that I get it, I don't think I'd notice it if I did. And everybody and their mom is swirling in every combo imaginable. I did notice here lately that when my white husband and I show up some places the ww with white husbands damn near jump in the dude's lap when they see us together. I don't know what's that is about, I got a husband I don't want your man LOL. BW to me lately are more curious, they ask a lot of questions not bad ones they just seem wonder if that's' a viable option. WM mostly are just grinning and smiling, especially the older ones like 'damn I wish I had the balls' LOL. BM surprisingly around here don't pay us any attention but my hubby is 6'4" and 270 I just think they're intimidated, they don't speak and don't look him in the eye. They move aside, that's the nice part about having a big strapping Scandanavian farm boy as a husband LOL. But the look, I don't get much & really at this stage if I got I really don't think I'd notice. I've been doing the IR thing long enough not to care. 

blessedgal 56 pts

 eugeniaberg  Don't you just love them 6'4 boys? My fiance is 6'4 too........there are advantages to loving a man that size...*grin* although at 5'4 1/2 I have to admit I look like a dwarf next to him!

friendswmimi 261 pts

I so relate to the "LOOK" that you get from strangers.  During the summer, I went to visit my now boyfriend in Montgomery, AL.  When I was leaving to come back home, we stopped at a gas station to get gas.  When I was getting in my car, my boyfriend gave a nice kiss on the lips.  The LOOK  from the white guy next to us was priceless.  Wide eyed and wide mouthed.  Funny!

zipporah 1726 pts

Since you were or seemed to be openly affectionate with Bea, instead of her with you, is it possible they were 'jealous'? Simply because, I live in CA, and many young people i see 18-29 aren't even affectionate with each other in a college town.Its girls hanging over their boyfriends; I started seeing this since the middle 2000s (the guy would have his hands in his pockets not cuddling her & girl would force her head on his shoulder).Its isn't rare to see couple hold hands but it IS rare to see a guy with his arm around her SHOULDER--is this just a CA thing only?

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

I have gotten "the look" on several occasions, the last guy I dated was mixed white and hispanic and looked mostly white(like an olive skinned black haired white guy, so most people do not know it), add to the fact he was 22 years my senior and the stares were upped 1000%.   I was once out with him and an aquaintance from where he worked(an older white woman) flat out insinuated I was a golddigger looking for someone to pay for my kids. An older black woman warned me he was just a pedophile and would eventually abuse me(I am 21, far from a child).  Oddly enough not many older men harassed us regardless of race, they gave us looks, and one old white man even came up to congratulate him(creepy).  A black man around my age was bold enough to tell me I needed to date him and not the "old white ass man".  Other female co-workers(he was a very good looking guy so a LOT of females spoke to him) were nice enough to smile in my face, but then I overheard them talking crap saying quote unquote

 

Co-worker 1: "WTF is she? She looks brazillian she sure isn't white"

Co-worker 2: "Does she even speak english? She was awfully quiet"

Co-worker 1: "You know he could have any woman his own age, yet he gets this kid"

Co-worker 2:""You know how men are, they will get whores from latin and asian countries because they don't appreciate old-fashioned american beauty".

 

 

ASwirlGirl 3035 pts

 thecrazyartist Wow . . . just . . . WOW at those comments!

uninterracial 948 pts

 ASwirlGirl  thecrazyartist Yes, there are no words.

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

 tracyreneejones

 After hearing that conversation I was unsure if I should tell them I could hear them, or just take the high road(I am trying to get over the agressive "don't eff with me" image here).  I took the high road that time, I decided to not sink to the level of these classless, bitter, fools.  I still kind of wonder what they would have done or said if they knew I was a mixed american and not brazillian.  I live in small town america, and up until maybe 15 years ago, white blonde and blue eyed was the only form of accepted beauty in these areas.  That started changing recently, in HS Jessica Alba and Halle Berry were considered hot/sexy/beautiful by many guys and some girls disdain was apparent.  To add insult to injury my date was a very good looking guy, and to some of these women, only an ugly loser would date a non-white woman especially one that is black or part black. 

 

Comments from most black or latina women(there are not many asians in my area) were a hit or miss, they either thought it was cute, or they thought "why her and not me?". 

tracyreneejones 3575 pts

 thecrazyartist I support you being non-confrontational and bigger person-like.. I don't get the opportunity to be ignorant and check a b*tch because I'm a bi-racial rust color neutral person. My blood has already been tampered with, alas...

 

onmywayup 1771 pts

 thecrazyartist  tracyreneejones "That started changing recently, in HS Jessica Alba and Halle Berry were considered hot/sexy/beautiful by many guys and some girls disdain was apparent."

 

That reminds me of something that happened in high school.  Some guy was saying that Halle Berry was hot, and this other girl sneered, "You do know she's black, right?"

 

He said, "No...really?  I just thought she was really tan!"

 

"No--she's black."

 

"Oh.  Well...she's still hot."

 

"Ew," she said.

 

For some reason, that bothered me--even though this was before I knew black girls/women could date interracially.  I have no idea why, but it did not occur to me until I was well into college, even after seeing increasing amounts of black guys crushing and dating white and Latina girls...even despite the fact that the majority of guys who crushed on me in middle/high school were white.  They would ask me to go to a movie or to homecoming or something, and I would just say politely, "No, thanks."  Yeah, I was a little slow on the uptake...lol.

 

Sort of off-topic, but...oh well. :/

 

 

oekmama 1047 pts

 onthewaydown  thecrazyartist  tracyreneejones LOL. That just kills me. That is so typical guys.

That 'Ew' though shouldn't bother you so much - that's that girl realizing that hotness trumps whatever negative ideas she hoped that guy shared with her.

EmilySpring 286 pts

 onthewaydown  thecrazyartist  tracyreneejones 

"Ewww" is their trick.  They use it often to shame younger guys, who are more vulnerable to peer pressure, into not even considering a Black girl/woman.

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

 EmilySpring  onthewaydown  tracyreneejones

 Similar things happened when I was in HS a group of guys were discussing the movie "Honey" and the exchange went like this:

 

"Dude Honey was so hot in that movie"

 

"You know um, the girl from clerks 2(Rosario Dawson) right? She is hot too"

 

"You know that Honey is part black and so is the girl from clerks 2"

 

"I know they are still hot as hell"

 

"You are so stupid and gross"

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

 EmilySpring  onthewaydown  tracyreneejones

 Funny thing is Jessica Alba isn't even black, but played a half black half hispanic girl, yet this girl still felt threatened by his comments because they were "gross" to her.

tracyreneejones 3575 pts

@thecrazyartist @EmilySpring @onthewaydown ain't nothing 'gross' about a beautiful woman. WW/BW think its about skin color. Men know its about honey pots, curves and lady parts first and nearly foremost. Ain't nothing nasty about a black woman other than the things men want to do to her under the Cherry moon.

AminahMatthews 540 pts

 thecrazyartist  I'm not calling jessica alba black...but I bet she does have some african ancestry in there somewhere just like Eva Longoria..  AGIAN!  I'm not saying she's black. But If Dr. Gates did some ancestry research on Jesse just like  he did with Eva, I'm pretty sure there will be some african in there.

 
MySmile 4172 pts

 thecrazyartist "and one old white man even came up to congratulate him(creepy)" 

 

This just happened to me yesterday!! Lol I was at Golden Corral (love that place) with a guy I've been seeing and this old white man came up there to congratulate him (we aren't even together, but he didn't know that) and kept asking if I had any friends and talking about how he always wanted to date "one" but he always sees the reverse so he didn't think it would happen (black men and white women).. The guy came back up to us and the buffet once and came to visit us at our table later!! That's a total of 3 times! He even gave me his business card!! lol wtf? He was talking about how he should hold on to me...I appreciate the "compliments" but it was pretty creepy...Then he started making all these demands talking about "I want one with real hair and no 'paint' on her face" haha..he looked a mess and rather trashy himself ahaha like dude, I am NOT setting you up with anyone I know. You are way too old and you are creepy...they will not want you! I thought it was funny (and a little aggravated that he was speaking of me like I was an object) . He did too, but he was a little bit more annoyed that the dude kept bothering us...and just creeped out that he acted so amazed by us lol.

onmywayup 1771 pts

 MySmile  thecrazyartist Omg...it's a good thing this has never happened to me...I would have lost all my politeness and started laughing, especially after he started saying things like, "I want one too!" Oh, wow.

MySmile 4172 pts

 onthewaydown  thecrazyartist Oh yeah, I meant he always sees the reverse, which is black men and white women so he didn't think bw and wm really happened like that.

 

And oh yeah, I was definitely laughing while he was there but we really let loose when he left..I could barely contain myself!!!! I mean, a simple smile, or a "you two are a beautiful couple." would have been good enough. (even though we aren't officially together..just dating...he thought we were).

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

 MySmile  onthewaydown

 Since my date was noticeably older than me, the congrats was really weird, the guy told him:" I always had a thing for exotic women, plus you snagged a young one, good job!" I assumed "exotic" meant black.  This dude must have been about 65, at least old enough to be my dates father!

 

tracyreneejones 3575 pts

@thecrazyartist @MySmile @onthewaydown having "one" can be understood as "an exotic car" type of envy. Might also explain why they can't snag a BW for themselves, their still behaving as if BW are things and not people. Men will say the same regarding an attractive woman, like the guy accomplished something great. Then again, he has....