Elizabeth the Intern asks:  “Are African-American Females Truly Free to Pursue Lives of Happiness?”

Elizabeth the Intern asks: “Are African-American Females Truly Free to Pursue Lives of Happiness?”

Every time I see a white woman with a black man, I must admit I get a little jealous. Not because I want her man, but because I wish it were just as easy for me to date interracially so my mind began to wonder: why is that? Why is it easier for black males to pursue IR than their female counterparts? Why or how are non-black females more easily able to pursue relationships with men outside their race than black women? It’s got to be more than a European standard of beauty.

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OK ladies, my youth is about to show, so I need some words of wisdom.  A few days ago, another study popped up where it said that white men are still not pursuing black women. For some the study provided was yet another article, but to me every time I see these articles and studies its very disheartening.  Maybe because I’m a dating virgin.  Maybe because I haven’t learned to brush it off.  But all this negativity surrounding black American females is just daunting.

Every time I see a white woman with a black man, I must admit I get a little jealous. Not because I want her man, but because I wish it were just as easy for me to date interracially so my mind began to wonder: why is that?  Why is it easier for black males to pursue IR than their female counterparts?  Why or how are non-black females more easily able to pursue relationships with men outside their race than black women?  It’s got to be more than a European standard of beauty.

In America, remnants of slavery are still seen in our culture.  From the way we eat our food, to the OOW birth rate, to even how we raise those children.  JFK stated, “One hundred years of delay have passed since President Lincoln freed the slaves, yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free. They are not yet freed from the bonds of injustice. They are not yet freed from social and economic oppression. And this Nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, will not be fully free until all its citizens are free.”  I believe that wholeheartedly.  Though we have still come a long way since the Civil Rights movement, I feel we still have a long way to go.

Many African-Americans, especially women, have been given opportunities, especially in education.  However, it’s 2012, more than 200 years since slavery in America was abolished and so many of us are still in chains:  economically, academically, and most importantly psychologically.  You can say that is self-fulfilling prophecy or whatever (that is a debate for another day), but that is just the fact.  And its not just African-Americans… the majority of America is locked in this mindset of slavery.

I work in the entertainment industry as a PA in Film and TV.  I have an education from one of the best schools in the nation.  I’m absolutely driven, talented and all-around southern adorable (sorry no modesty here), but I have rarely seen anyone who looks like me behind the scenes or on camera.  I know the game but I bring it up in conversation to challenge people for more inclusion.  There is no affirmative action here and I’ve gotten called out for “pulling the race card.”  Hey, I just call it how I see it.  Everyone in this business has to fight tooth and nail to get their foot in the door and so many will see doors closed based on skin color.  I believe that solely lies with producers and writers, who have no friends of color and will not allow themselves to imagine their world with color.  So that brings me back to my question.

Most of the world leaders in any field are white men.  Period.  But white women have been interacting and dating interracially since before the time of slavery.  There was a time when black & whites not only fought together but also married each other (i.e. Bacons rebellion for you history buffs).  But how is interracial dating more accessible or obtainable for white women today?

When slavery was established, the law stated that it was passed through the mother.  So that meant a child born to a white mother was born free regardless of the race of the father and a child born to an enslaved black woman was born a slave regardless of the father’s race.  Does this legacy still linger in our hearts and minds on a subconscious level?  No, I do not believe everyone thinks that way, but think about it from a biological and cultural perspective.  Biologically, you want your genes to survive, so you naturally want to procreate.  First your biological instincts tell you only the strong will survive.  Men, first thing you’re looking for is a woman who appeals to your physical senses (which mostly culture dictates, not all the time, but mostly)  and one who can also produce children that will not only survive but thrive.  When culture dictates to you that black (or mixed race) children have this hard knock life and there are no visible examples of black (or Interracial) nuclear families (though there are numerous) who would you choose:  Gisele Bundchen or Shaniqua?

For smart men, beauty and strength lie in the eye of the beholder.  For most men, they will look to culture, social norms, and familial approval to dictate whom they choose leaving many black women, who fit the bill and then some, out in the cold.  Let me say that I’m specifically talking about American black women.  African and even Caribbean women have been able to date interracially around the globe, especially in America and the UK .  Why do you think that is?!   I see no stigma of slavery attached to their mindset and many African sisters, who are able to pursue lives and education within and outside of Africa, have it going on.

Maybe I’m going too deep on this, but I’m 24 and all these studies and articles are daunting enough without adding the prospect of psychological warfare into the mix.  Psychological Warfare is a dangerous game that few win, but we have to.   The negative imagery and stigmas attached to black women is unacceptable.  Too many beautiful, talented women and potential wives living life alone is not acceptable to me.  All these caricatures be damned to hell!  I declare war on it all (taking a cue from Bush and not seeking UN approval).  It’s Christmas and instead of spending it as the sister whose parents and family keep asking why don’t you have a man yet (I’m southern so that ish starts at 20), its time to bring an other brother home.

You know its ok, if I never find a man (actually its not, I’m just pulling that out of my arse), but knowing my potential and the dream of a family that I hope to have one day, I plan to prepare for it all now by being the best woman I can be.  It’s not mammy, its not Jezebel, or whoever, its ME!  This is not about BWE this is about each AA woman living their life to the fullest.  We deserve that not because of slavery or its legacy, but because we put in the time, work, and effort to continue to be a better person for ourselves and our health, wealth, and happiness.  So this is my call to arms ladies (PSYCHOLOGICAL ARMS, OK!;) I know I don’t have to tell most of you this, but for the youngins here:  Do not let culture dictate who you are or what you can have.  Be all that you can be.  You create your image and reputation, and you choose who you love.  Let no one tell you differently.

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I don't understand why it's so hard for black women to be able to date interracially myself.

Every other group has no problem being approached or pursuing other races and we all know no group is perfect and everyone has their flaws. Could it be that black women are viewed under a different kind of microscope than everyone else? That's the only other logic I have.

jakethewrestler 459 pts

 

IN the white culture the woman chases they guy but he then needs to pop the question.  If you go for a white man he will eventually have strong desires for you.  Be patient and very persistent.  A BWs beauty is intimidating and most guys dont like other guys staring at their girl so they go for a neutral looking lady.  But he wants you also because your real and he can trust you.

 Be humble but be proud at the same time that God gave BW the most beautiful features

jakethewrestler 459 pts

White men are intimidated by the dominate beauty of bw.  heres my suggestions but dont listen to me

Beauty tips for bw - let me know what you think

 

Designed to

Look great

But not to intimidate

 

Hair

1.     Weave, natural, does not make that much difference

 

2.     Hair does not make a pretty woman pretty

 

 

3.     bw have the most structured faces.  Project your face.  Do not let your hair cover any part of your face including the sides and forehead or the sides of you neck

 

 Dressing

 

1.     Dress to show your figure but do not show too much

2.     Show your neck  and arms

3.     Do not show your stomach or cleavage

4.     Short skirts – do it rarely if ever

Diversify

1.     Being with woman of other races will make you attributes appear even more appealing/dominate

Attitude

1.     Thank God for your wonderful riches

2.     Be proud of your wonderful attributes  

3.     but be humble …..  

oekmama 1047 pts

I think the trick is ignoring the studies and just living your life. BW are as free as they allow themselves to be, once they do not allow other voices (eg. studies, families, or so-called friends) to limit them or their goals. Remember, all you need to do is find ONE quality rainbeau. 

greengirl7 330 pts

**Off Topic News**

 

There is a brand new BW/WM romance/murder mystery series called "Deception", it airs Monday, January 7th on NBC.

They're showing the pilot episode on NBC's website: http://www.nbc.com/deception/video/pilot/n30467/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZWgz8Dyls

Gabrielle 105 pts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s7efFXED9U&list=PLB9678428BFCD0ABA&index=8

 

This is an really interesting webseries, but it did touch on Black Marriage. It has its pro's and con's. 

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Gabrielle 105 pts

 kia You clearly did not watch this video, yes it has Toure in there, but like i said this video has it pro's and con's. If you had bothered to watch this video, you would have seen beautiful young, black females discuss their viewpoint on marriage. 

SirLoinDeBeef 2655 pts

I'm curious that when the subject of slavery comes up, it is ALWAYS American slavery of Black people!

 

Does no one study or remember the 500 years of Brazilian slavery? ... the slavery of the Indians of Peru, working the gold and silver mines for the Conquistadores ... the on-going slavery of Somalia ... the slavery within the old Ottoman Empire ... the slavery within all the Chinese Dynasties, right up to the Republican revolution ... the slavery of white Italians and those living on the shoresof the Medeterrian Sea (sp?), take by Algerian corsairs and sold in the markets of Islam.

 

Who ever mentions the various tribes of American Indians who took and used slaves in their frequent inter-tribal wars, including captures whites and blacks.

 

Or even take up the Judeo-Christian history of slavery in the Old and New Testaments of the Christian Bible or of the Quran (Koran).

 

But, no, when slavery is mentioned, it is always the evil white man vs. the black man/woman and it's legacy, to the current day and moment.

 

Sigh!

simpleebisou 128 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef As a history buff and human rights activist, yes I know about many of these histories.  BUT since I wrote the post as an AA female, I had to write from the perspective of an AA female, and the legacy of American slavery of Black people is the closest to my life experience other than my knowledge of Judeo-Christian history and also being of Native American descent.

 

"But, no, when slavery is mentioned, it is always the evil white man vs. the black man/woman and it's legacy, to the current day and moment."  It was not and will never be my intention to write about that (the evil white man).  EVIL COMES IN ALL COLORS AND I'VE SEEN IT FIRST HAND.

 

However,I am HIGHLY interested in what effect the history and legacy of slavery plays in the American dynamic and since I choose to date interracially how that will affect any future relationships.  Its curiosity simply on my part, but it seems there is some anger there, so please don't in any way feel that this is an attack on the American white male.  If it isn't clear by now, I LOVE WHITE MEN!

SirLoinDeBeef 2655 pts

 simpleebisou Good reply & I will co-sign most of it - limiting your topic of interest, for good and sufficient scholarly reason, is a pre-cursor to a good study of anything, history included.

What, for instance, would be the incidence of (and anecodotes, letters, family histories, etc.) IR relationships & marriages between the 'conductors' of the Underground Railroad and the various black woman slaves that they were 'transporting' - either then-and-there or after the US Civil War and the Lincoln Amendment - this would be between, say, 1865 and 1900 (representing the onset and fierce enforcement of Jim Crow in the South and, increasingly, Mid-West).

 

Excluding the far West, as that area was having it's own 'Jim Crow' struggles with Asian Women, principally Chinese & Japanese.

zipporah 1911 pts

...and what about the intertribal slavery of West Africans...the REASON we are here. Stronger tribes SOLD US to the WM that were already there....this is a reason im not into much afrocentrism, because they tend to mix jimcrow with slavery

zipporah 1911 pts

I may be wrong on this BUT its when Black people COMBINE slavery and the Jimcrow movement TOGETHER that this happens. After slavery was over, youd be surprized how many blacks and whites paired off, mostly between 'house slaves' (relatives of the master) and whites. Some 'house slave' women either married whites, and their kids passed as white, each other, or regular blacks. The ones who married each other started RAMPANT colorism 'paper bag test' to see who could be their friend

 

I happen to know this went on because an old friend of my parents who was born in 1906, was John Wilks Booth greatniece, and her and her brother couldnt 'pass' as white, the ones who could in their family 'dumped them'.  They lived as lightskinned blacks but werent colorstruck and had black  friends of all hues. She even happened to adopt darkskinned babies later in life and was involved with black causes.

Quita 117 pts

Hi everyone,

I'm a lurker since 2010 and this is my first post. Reading your positive posts has encouraged me to take control of my romantic life and not just leave it to chance. I am a nursing student and I study quite a bit, but I would love to fall in love with a great guy. My new year's resolution is to start losing weight to be able to attract a great guy who loves me for me. I know I need to get healthy and make some changes in order to get that great guy that I know is out there for me once, I am ready to receive him.

mzsunshine 2612 pts

 Quita

 welcome and you will meet that 'great guy'.

Karla 19126 pts

@Quita Welcome! Hope you'll be able to post more, in between studying.

Quita 117 pts

 Karla  Yes, I should, I am on break until mid January.

Brenda55 20938 pts moderator

 Quita Welcome.  I am a retired RN and am glad to see that you are entering the profession. If I can be of any assistance even just to offer words of encouragement do not hesitate to ask. Good luck with your studies.

Quita 117 pts

 Brenda55 

Thanks so much, I will probably take advantage of this. This is like a second career for me, but I love what I am learning.

MixedUpInVegas 1691 pts

 Quita

 Quita, dear sister, it is high time you came out of hiding and joined us!  Self-improvement, whether it is through education, improved health or elevated outlook and expectations, is always a good thing.  Anything that is good for you will help you succeed in life.  May you continue to grow and move up in the world!

SimonneJackson 78 pts

Great article, I'm from the South too and know the "Why you ain't got no man yet?" comments all too well.

 

 

MySmile 4258 pts

 SimonneJackson lmao!! I'm from the south too, but my family/ friends/ acquaintances were never like this...I never felt pressure to be in a serious relationship or find a husband while I'm really young...I formed relationships on my own time....I was having a conversation with some girls in class once (mixture of black and white girls) and they were talking about how their parents and especially grandparents always ask them when they are going to get married!! Sheesh..these girls were in their early 20s like me and one was only 20 years old!!

starzzzy 475 pts

 SimonneJackson I'm also from the south and I would say that from my observations White women seem to experience the "hurry up and get a man!" syndrome much earlier than Black women do. Seriously in college it seemed no White woman went unmatched with a future husband. They were sure to have a man by the end of Junior year so they could start planning the wedding. As much as I want to get married one day, I'm 22! I think I can wait a couple of years for all that.

MySmile 4258 pts

 starzzzy True! The marriage thing is more common with white women, but some black women deal with it too..I was a bit surprised that the other  two black girls in the group had family like this because most people don't push marriage for black women.I think the few black girls who experience this come from extremely traditional families (their parents/ grandparents/ family members married or found the one young) or single mothers who are afraid of their daughter ending up alone like them, so they go overboard (no offense to anyone, but it happens)

 

My family didn't lead me to believe finding a husband should be a top priority at 23! One of the girls I spoke of above was only 20 was white and came from a small town in the middle of nowhere...her grandmother was the main one pressuring her (go figure! lol) In most of these cases, it's female family members, friends, and acquaintances who put the pressure on. Most dads & male family members are not trying to see you get married any earlier than they have to lol

 

For most bw it's moreso "Why don't you have a man?" (any man will do to some people) or being surprised you don't have any children yet rather than encouraging you to get married.

 

I think more black parents should speak of marriage in a positive light (I grew up thinking it was a natural part of life and never imagined being single for the rest of my life) but at the same time they shouldn't rush their children or try to pair them with just anybody (black women do this with other bw sometimes..try to set you up with so and so who isn't doing anything with their life) !!!

starzzzy 475 pts

 MySmile You mentioned something I can't believe I forgot to mention in my original comment! You would not believe how many times people (mainly middle aged Black women) have asked my mom (who has been married 22+ years) if I had any kids yet or if I was pregnant. Really? Have we got so comfortable with OOW babies that it is now a expectation? I have actually heard less comments about me being single than about my potential for having children.

 

I will have to agree that marriage needs to be a more positive topic among Black people. Why should a Black woman have the expectation that she will more likely spend her life a single mother than married with a stable family?

FriendsofJay 1969 pts

The responses to this article have been some of the best I've read on this or any BWE blog.  AleeL mentions that BW don't want to be disloyal to the BC.  But isn't the BC disloyal to BW?  The community seems to think its alright for BM to date anyone they wish, but give BW the fish eye if they're seen with any non-BM.  I don't have a problem with BW dating WW or any other kind of woman, but when I hear that a BW dating a WM means she's being a "sellout": I don't really know what to say.  How can this hypocrisy exist?!  What's wrong with the BC in general and BM in particular that they don't see this double standard as ridiculous? 

 

MarieFischer mentions BW giving anyone but a BM "attitude."  Believe me WM fear this the most.   I have personally witnessed WM approaching a BW very respectfully and being treated like they're trying to grope her instead of simply asking her out. As she mentioned, WM have egos too. 

 

VintageNarcissa said that many BW shout their disinterest in any man who isn't black.  If a guy is going to get cussed out in public simply for asking for a date, it will take him a long time before getting up the nerve to ask another BW out.  Telling him to "man up" or "put on his big boy pants" isn't going to mean much if you were rejected loudly and publicly by ANY woman.  Pardon my saying this but most women---black, white or anywhere in between-----usually go out of their way to say "no" to a guy by letting him down easy.  So you're offended that a WM asked you out?  Just say "no thanks."  As MarieFischer said, "Men have ego and feelings too."   All you have to do is give us a brake.  If a WM didn't like you he wouldn't approach you in the first place and ask you out.  I really don't see the reason for this attitude. 

Brenda55 20938 pts moderator

 FriendsofJay 

MarieFischer mentions BW giving anyone but a BM "attitude."  Believe me WM fear this the most.  

 

WM must be getting over this because the number of BW/WM pairings is increasing.  I know black women ain't fighting the feeling as much these days and non-back men are learning who they should and should not approach.

 

. I believe that a lot of this is generational.  I see teens and twenty something guys approaching BWs and if they get grief then they just move on to the next girl. The kids are much more relaxed and open about this stuff.

 

 In my opinion most of the issue is with the thirty to forty something age group.  We are in the middle of a sea change, and some of those women  and men are having difficulty negotiating this.  I think that non-black men are more open to wanting a IR  relationship yet have memories such as you have posted , so they remain reluctant to approach unless they have a very clear sign that the women in question is indeed interested.  That and the wider choice that non-black men have to date a women out side of their race makes it easier to  move towards a group of women that are more accepting of their approach such as Asian women or non- American black women. Some  American black women in this age group are holding onto useless baggage and they are looking for a 100% clear sign of interest from an overwhelming number of non-black men before they feel comfortable with dating outside of their race. Some will work it out and some will not. The world does not belong to the timid however.  

FriendsofJay 1969 pts

 Brenda55 Right, Brenda.  Teens and twenty somethings are more relaxed about IR dating and marriage.  That's what I love about the younger generation.  They don't have all the baggage my generation had.  

MySmile 4258 pts

 FriendsofJay "I have personally witnessed WM approaching a BW very respectfully and being treated like they're trying to grope her instead of simply asking her out."

 

I never understood why women (of any race) act like they're mad when men (of any race) approach them respectfully (key word lol)...so are you mad because he likes you? He has eyes. You're a woman and he's a man...Even if you don't like him, why be mean to the guy? I think some women get a kick out of publicly embarrassing or being rude to men. I'm not rude to them unless they are really asking for it, and even then, they'd probably just get ignored/ the cold shoulder. Despite some of the things I've said here (I'm the type who wants some guys to "grow a pair" lol) I really am sensitive to the feelings of men (because I'm sensitive in general).  Even if they are hurt/ embarrassed, it's best for them to realize that all black women are not going to shut them down like that. I hope they know that just because one woman loudly rejected them, it doesn't mean the next one will...I would hate for that to discourage people from pursuing someone they like...

Brenda55 20938 pts moderator

 MySmile  FriendsofJay 

"I think some women get a kick out of publicly embarrassing or being rude to men."

 

This is a good point.  WM may have an easier time steering clear of the "ball breakers" among WW because the know the cues to look for most of the time.  With black women not so much.

FriendsofJay 1969 pts

 MySmile I'm glad you're sensitive to the feeling of us guys.  We're famous for putting our foot in our mouth when we shouldn't.  But remember, if a guy approaches you, he likes you, so he might be a bit nervous asking you out.  All I can say is give the guy a chance.  All for us WM have heard all the stories about how BW only want BM, so it takes a bit of nerve to approach you.  It completely different from approaching a WW.  We know about them, but BW seem to think differently.  And the idea of a BW having strong feelings about slavery from 150 years ago just doesn't occur to most of us.  As so many people on the BWE blogs say, "IR marriage is the key to erasing prejudice from the American people."  I believe that and I know it will work.  I'm not so much pleading my case as I'm pleading the case for all the non-BM who find you girls attractive and want to get to know you better.

MySmile 4258 pts

 FriendsofJay

 

Yeah, nothing wrong with a guy being nervous, I think it's kinda cute actually....the point is whether or not he's respectful....now if you say something completely ridiculous (something offensive!), it's on you if you get shut down lol...

 

 

"It completely different from approaching a WW.  We know about them, but BW seem to think differently"

 

 

I think that's where part of the problem lies....it isn't completely different.  Well, I get where you're coming from because it could be completely different, but it isn't always. I think guys make themselves even more nervous by having all these worries about how bw will respond.....it's not all in your head (because some women are extremely rude for no reason) but some of it may be..you're "hyping yourself up" so to speak......Part of the reason some bw have their guard up is because some white men approach them like they're some weird creatures or in a stereotypical manner like they are trying to be someone else...but some black women lead themselves to believe all wm just want sex or a stereotype before the man even gets a sentence out, so sometimes it's in their head too! I just say be yourself, but don't be clueless...be aware of how the things you say to people could be misinterpreted...basically, it's good for people to be tactful when approaching a member of the opposite sex..at least attempt to be....

 

greengirl7 330 pts

FriendsofJay

"How can this hypocrisy exist?!  What's wrong with the BC in general and BM in particular that they don't see this double standard as ridiculous?"

 

Thank you, thank you, a thousand times: "Thank you!”.

 

The hypocrisy is maddening. 

A BM not being interesting in BW is fine and perfectly acceptable, and said BM is even free to express his preference by loudly insulting BW.   On the other hand, a BW not being interested in BM is traitorous, and proof that she either hates herself, thinks BM are inferior to non-BM, or thinks she’s better than other black people.

 

“How can this hypocrisy exist?!”

 

It would take a short novel to fully explain.   So in a few words:  Black Nationalists starting in the 60’s and 70’s claimed to promote “solidarity” and “kinship” between black people (BP), and fostered an Us vs. Them mentality in many BP.  They vilified WM and IRR while pursuing WW, because according to them all WM are oppressors and slave owners, but WW are innocent.  The “loyalty” they advocated was increasingly BM centered, until finally the obligation rested entirely on BW.

 

"I have personally witnessed WM approaching a BW very respectfully and being treated like they're trying to grope her"

 

These women are acting as gatekeepers for BM by making absolutely sure the man in question knows that BW are off limits, and that he should never encroach on BM's territory again.

Toni_M 20073 pts moderator

 greengirl7  FriendsofJay  "They vilified WM and IRR while pursuing WW, because according to them all WM are oppressors and slave owners, but WW are innocent."

 

Ida B. Wells must be tap-dancing in her grave.

Brenda55 20938 pts moderator

“Are African-American Females Truly Free to Pursue Lives of Happiness?”

 

Yes.

 

The problem is all inside your heads. Get your mind right and the rest falls into place.

 

Answer this question honestly. What do I want?

 

When you know the answer to that ask your self this. How badly do I want it?

 

When you know the answer to that ask your self this. What do I have to do to get it?

When you have that answer then make a plan a get moving.

 

Some of the images that bounce around among BWE sites and among BWE bloggers as well as this site on occasion are those from the movie the MATRIX. So look at things this way. You know something is not quite right with what you are seeing regarding American Black Women, their place in their communities as well as the world. You question it and get shouted down from several quarters including those closest to you your friends and family but there is still that nagging feeling that something is not right and you can't drop it.

 

Think of all those studies and the media's presentation of American black women as soul grinding little blue pills that are being offered to you to get you to not question the status quo regarding the quality of American black woman's lives and their place in the world. You can ingest it, buy into what is being presented and nothing changes.

 

 

On the other hand you can reject it, keep questioning and wondering and seeking answers. You can look a little closer what is being told to you and who is telling you. What is the agenda. What do they gain and what is in it for you? Does what you are told line up with your life plan?

 

In the end it gets down to what you want for yourself. No one other than yourself can answer that. The thing that has been life changing for many black women about these blogs is that black women can talk about their lives candidly without being shouted down. These are spaces where these studies, these images, these issue can be pulled apart, discussed found to be valid or lacking. These are spaces where black women can see what others like themselves are doing and see the possibilities. You can call that the red pill if you wish but in the end the choice of path is your. So we get back to your original question.

 

“Are African-American Females Truly Free to Pursue Lives of Happiness?”

Yes.

 

 

 

MarieFischer 31 pts

Also you could question how many Black women are pursuing White men?  Men have egos and many are more fragile than our own.  Many WM I have spoken with have stated they did not want to get cut off at the knees when they see a BW they think is attractive but (probably due to a stupid stereotype)  will give them attitude on why they would not go out with them.

 

My husband and I were discussing how we met (via a non-IR dating site).  He talked about how he sent message to various women (of various races) and none replied to him (and my husband is quite verbose with the written word so I am sure he wrote message that were at least a page long), thus he had stopped trying.  I, on the other hand, was not sure if my husband was open to IR dating, let alone dating someone long distance, so I just sent him a simple nudge.  Yes I poked the bear to see if he would react and react he did.  (I found out later he had not only had dated IR but not exclusively, but his first love was a BW as well as the girl friend before me).

 

My point is sometimes we as Black women have to take that initial step when it comes to dating (and marrying) IR. Yes some are not interested, but for everyone one WM not interested, I am sure there are two that will be.

VintageNarcissa 3152 pts

I personally believe that black women are free to pursue lives of happiness; it is simply up to them to realize and believe that they can. There are have always been negative stigmas placed upon black women. I honestly don't believe they will falter any time soon, and if they do, it will take a lot of perseverance, and a lot of revolution. But it is not impossible and several black women are living their lives just how they want in these times. 

 

When it comes to such stats as, white men are still not interested in black women, you have to consider the fact that an overwhelming amount of black women continue to shout from the rafters their disinterest in white and non-black men. I wrote a piece a while ago about an incident my boyfriend experienced. Once grabbing dinner at a Chipotle, her overheard a group of black women loudly discussing in the restaurant full of non black men, how they could never be with a white, hispanic or Asian man. One of the the women then proceeded to give my boyfriend the eye as he took off his jacket and settled down to his dinner. He later expressed to me his disgust as being oogled by this woman who moments before was in the middle of a conversation about how she could never find a man like him attractive. 

 

This is a major hinderance to the overall image of black women. Many, many, non black men do not pursue black women for the simple fact that they don't think they have a chance. As I said in my article, as much as we often like to gloss over the fact, men do in fact have feelings. They get hurt, they get nervous, the don't want to get shot down. So it's commonplace they they would avoid women who so openly state that they have no chance.

 

But at the same time, there are many women who do express interest in non black men. I mean, has anyone ever noticed how every time Chris talks to a random white guy its one that has some experience with dating black girls. I remember when I was new at BBW, there was a video of Chris interviewing three men, and they were all falling over themselves to tell their stories. Our issue is that we need to become more vocal, because the NBAB's still override us, with their Essence magazine and their All My Baby Mamas reality shows. But the fact that sites like BBW even exist prove that many black women are not only free to pursue their lives, but they are in fact pursuing their lives. 

 

That won't stop people from having a problem with it, but should other people's problems stop black women? They should not. 

 

One thing I've noticed, about myself, and amount many black women who are interested in dating interracially. We tend to be later bloomers. A lot of us either grew up in strict households, or we grew up in areas where the dating prospects were bleak when we were young, so we didn't bother. So we hit college age, many of us even hit post college, and we have no dating experience with any man, let along the ones we are interested in. This is a hinderance on our part, because often introverted or shy, we know what we want, but have no idea how to get it. Again, that can be a hinderance; however, we actually want to combat this, so we seek out help. We ask questions. We turn to blogs to find like minded people. And in that turn, we get the help we need to discover our confidence and realize for ourselves that we can pursue happiness. 

 

I find that younger black girls, those born in the mid to late 90's such have this problem less and less. More of these girls growing up in more integrated schools (as opposed to predominantly black). They are realizing a lot sooner that the black boys don't seem to be interested in them, so they don't even bother. And they were pursuing and allowing themselves to interact in interracial situations a lot sooner. I feel girls like these will have a lot better time defining their own standards of happiness. 

 

In the end, I feel the black women who want it will be just fine. That doesn't mean its not a lot of hard work to get where you want to be. 

Hallyu Love 369 pts

 VintageNarcissa "...or we grew up in areas where the dating prospects were bleak when we were young, so we didn't bother. So we hit college age, many of us even hit post college, and we have no dating experience with any man, let along the ones we are interested in. This is a hinderance on our part, because often introverted or shy, we know what we want, but have no idea how to get it. "

 

With this it's like you read my life. we are so ><.

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The Working Home Keeper 6963 pts

 kia "Don't let other people dictate how you should live your life."

 

Indeed!  Don't give other people power over your life!

zipporah 1911 pts

We need to stop worrying about 'racism' of COURSE it always exists. People are racist against other minorities as well , they are against asians, philipinos, etc.

AleeL 440 pts

It's more than the Eurocentric beauty norms, but that is a part of it.

 

I'd say segregation (sometimes de facto, in this case) is another large part of it. People feel comfortable with and date those who are in their environments. For the most part, black women aren't bumping shoulders with white men, at least not to the extent they are with black men.

 

Another is preconceptions on the part of both parties. White men have their preconceived notions about what a black woman is supposed to be like, and black women have theirs about white men. Some of these notions are negative, so the two stay away from each other.

 

Yet another is that the pairing is simply not normalized. When most people think interracial they think of BM/Other women or WM/AW. When the pairing becomes "normal" to people in their minds then their actions will generally follow.

 

Finally, there is the backlash. Black women are still afraid to be seen as traitors or white men worshippers. Dating a white guy in some places is just unfathomable, if you don't want to be ostracized.

 

But it's getting better day by day, and just because you might have a harder time dating interracially than someone else doesn't mean you CAN'T. It's really a game of odds and frequency -- the more you put yourself out there, in the greater number of venues, the better your chances are for finding your ideal mate.

 

Also, I don't think that black men don't have it as easy as some may be looking at it. My boyfriend tells me there are still plenty of white women who say, in private usually, that they wouldn't date one. And I've heard black men bemoan the fact that other women don't want to seriously be involved with them because of their race. I think that black men might be more proactive in pursuing women and don't give up as easily, hence why they date interracially in larger numbers.

 

BTW, whomever's family that is in the main picture is too adorable!

 AleeL

My boyfriend tells me there are still plenty of white women who say, in private usually, that they wouldn't date one.

 

 But they think that everyone wants them.....

MySmile 4258 pts

 AleeL That is true...there are white women who do not want to date black guys for whatever reason....just like there are white men who won't date black women...and black women and men who won't date a white person...idk why somebody would think everyone wants them...that would be nice (or maybe not lol) but it's just not sensible...

somethingdifferent22 368 pts

Here here! :D I was thinking the same thing when reading all these studies that pop up.

uninterracial 987 pts

Yes, do what you want. You can’t be worried about what people are going to think of you, including your family. No matter what you do, people are going to talk about you.

cocoababe 1585 pts

There are still bw who are still carrying the shackles and chains in their minds and psyche. They may be superwoman physically, but they are weak mentally. LET IT GO!!! all of it!!!

 

"But white women have been interacting and dating interracially since before the time of slavery."

As did black women. OH yes lol. I grateful for all the bw writers who are researching bw's history in this country and TRUST that bw have been swirling forever (both unwillingly AND WILLINGLY). Lorraine Spencer on facebook has so many vintage images of black women (mentally free) enjoying their company with men of all races: 

https://www.facebook.com/forensicmommy?ref=ts&fref=ts

 

Think how tough times were then!!! NO EXCUSES for bw. Sorry, I don't coddle grown people.

 

Let's remember, it wasn't the union between black men and white women that brought about Anti-miscegenation laws in the beginning. both of those groups had no rights back then.  It was always about white men marrying black women and thereby transferring his resources to her and their family.  Just think. A LAW had to be passed because black women were getting swooped up left and right.  White men could not stop themselves so the power that be went the legal route. "Black women are not a threat." I think not.

 

That's why the "Like omgawd slavery!! that's why I can't love a white man!! my ancestors will be ashamed!!!" excuse bored me to tears. If newly freed black women were marrying white man in the late 1800's, what they hell is your excuse again?

 

"Do not let culture dictate who you are or what you can have.  Be all that you can be.  You create your image and reputation, and you choose who you love.  Let no one tell you differently."

 

YES.

Toni_M 20073 pts moderator

 cocoababe "Let's remember, it wasn't the union between black men and white women that brought about Anti-miscegenation laws in the beginning. "

 

Nor was it the union that brought such laws to an end. But it's really interesting how this is continually painted over.

zipporah 1911 pts

hmm i thought it was harder for a WW to marry or go out with a BM years ago...especilaly the years between slavery and jimcrow. It was extremely RARE for  a WW to go out with a BM unless the BM got killed by the Klan, etc. Besides kids who have WM dads and were still with mom seemed to be more level headed than the opposite. the WM dad wouldnt care who thought about it and taught his kids not to worry over racism as much