Film and Panel Discussion:  “The Souls of Black Girls”

Film and Panel Discussion: “The Souls of Black Girls”

Recently, I was on location at the A.M.E. Zion Church on the Hill in Harlem to attend a panel discussion and film screening of the “Souls of Black Girls.” Negative media representation of black females and other women of color is nothing new to the BB&W community, but this news documentary was very refreshing in that opened doors to the minds of younger girls and teenagers and their critique of the media.

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Recently, I was on location at the A.M.E. Zion Church on the Hill  in Harlem to attend a panel discussion and film screening of the “Souls of Black Girls.”  Negative media representation of black females and other women of color is nothing new to the BB&W community, but this news documentary was very refreshing in that opened doors to the minds of younger girls and teenagers and their critique of the media.  Through local outreach from Total Equity Now, the institutionalization and manipulation of these images were discussed with Harlem’s middle schoolers.  Not shocking, the girls echoed many of sentiments of their peers in the film.

Many women and young females of color are suffering self-image disorder with many trying to cope with attempting to attain a European standard of beauty.  One young lady stated that she was the only person of color in her school.  “The white boys don’t like black girls.  They don’t like me, so I didn’t approach them. I thought about it, but didn’t go there,” she thought.  Which got me thinking what if we taught girls of color from their early years that they had options in that department or that it was okay if they were interested in boys outside their race?  Could that change their idea on beauty and build self-esteem?

One particular scene just haunted me throughout the film.  The film also spoke to several young white girls on the manipulation of images.  One said, “They’re very sneaky about it.  Like you’ll never see a black girl on the cover unless she’s Beyonce.  And she’s like us anyway.”  It struck a chord with me, bringing back a high school memory.  A similar statement was made by 11th grade English teacher.   “Beyonce isn’t really even black.  She’s caramel.”  Everyone looked at me at that moment for a reaction.  I was shocked, but held my tongue.  My perception of Beyonce has always been a struggle.  We’re both Louisiana Creole, but I’m dark skinned.  Creole women were known for their beautiful light skin and being so beautiful were kept inside in fear of either darkening or being kidnapped.  Dark-skinned Creoles, even those with “good hair”, were written off.  My grandmother was also fair-skinned and known for beauty for miles.  I called her vanilla and she called me chocolate.  From a young age, I assumed that fair or light-skinned women were the epitome of beauty.  It wasn’t until I came to NYC that I learned beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Colorism it seems is recognized even in the younger generation and its even more raw.

Two caricatures were also highlighted:  Mamie and Jezebel.  Its believed that we as black women have yet to define our sexuality and I have to admit I agree, at least in my case.  If I show the slightest bit of skin, I must be open for business and cat-calling.  If I’m closed down or quiet, I must be a cold bitch.  But one point that was made white women seem to get a pass on this.  With Girls Gone Wild, you pay for white girls to show off their bodies.  They get their checks, go to school, graduate, and get that job.  With music videos:  “You get to see that black ass for free.  If you a black hoe, you’re gonna stay a black ho.”  This is simply an extension of slavery.  Black women are still looked down upon as objects of pleasure, whereas our white counterparts are still place upon a pedestal.  One thing is true, though, we’re as guilty as our white counterparts if we allow this to continue.  Sadly, both black males and females have contributed to this nonsense.

The attendees, adults and children, asked questions such as:

“Why is there more emphasis on black women than white women as video vixens?”

“How can we downplay the role the media has in portraying images and how can parents be better role models?

“How can we portray different images of black women emphasizing our individual ethnicities and culture because different ethnicities have different ideas of beauty?”

It has to be said that kids are smarter than what we give them credit for.  They know what’s up. They’re looking at the magazine covers and advertisements and wondering what the heck is going on.  They need platforms like this for their voices to be heard.  The young ladies were shy to talk to us at first, but once they felt comfortable they us how the young boys at school treat them and their female peers.  It ain’t good! They’re tired of seeing people who don’t look like them on television and on magazine covers and those that do look like them are usually in music videos and half-naked. They know this is not the truth.  They know they’re beautiful, but they want the world to notice their beauty too.  The best quote I heard all evening:  “God made me like this.”  This young lady was very proud of who she is. I just hope many more young women can share the same sentiment.  I believe that they can if we take control of our images and write our own stories instead of letting others tell us our story.

Here are a couple of more photos from the event:

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JennMJack 1180 pts

I think this post is so timely. Especially with the recent shift in media coverage to focus on images pertinent to Black women. Nicki Minaj, Beyonce, and Rihanna, to me, all operate in that same thinly veiled Black women self-hatred zone. They morph themselves into physiques and veneers that are appealing to pseudo-male society. But, I say pseudo- because, the larger audience for those women include women of all nationalities. These types of images get to define Black beauty. Beautiful women like Alex Wek (who is seen as beautiful around the world) is hardly a standard-bearer in this culture because the emphasis is still based on colorism.

 

And, what does the imagery of Beyonce, Gutter Snipe Minaj and Rihanna do for little girls who look more like Alek Wek or Gabby Sidibe, or Brandy? It says you have to bleach your hair and take your body to extremes in order to be pretty. It is truly disgusting.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

 JennMJack its interesting you mention Beyonce, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj because I've always noticed on sites with a larger white readership most of the comments mock their bodies (Beyonce is often called linebacker and manly while Nicki Minaj because of her rear, "fat" and a whale or just plain "fake") and in the case of Rihanna their facial  features (her nose and forehead are often targets).    In fact, there is was a recent Rihanna post on Gawker with several of the posters calling her face masculine. 

 

That's the thing, to those who are interesting in enforcing a white supremacist beauty standard, "Black Beauty" is an oxymoron.  In a sense we are being played.  Beyonce is put out there as a more "comfortable" form  of black beauty while simultaneously being mocked, "ghettofied"  and "jezebelled"  at every turn in the most subtle and not so subtle of ways.   

 

its a catch 22, if we call her beautiful we'll be countered with "she's only beautiful because she looks like us", if we call her ugly then its "you're just jealous"  and if we don't say anything at all?  "she's not that special, her hair is fake, her butt's  too big". 

 

So while Beyonce and Rihanna are popping up on more magazine covers than Kelly Rowland,  its all just a distraction to me, we are being hoodwinked. .  A minority can't win the white beauty standard game, its a set up, it's been rigged from the start.   Even when there are attempts to subvert the standard black women of all colors still lose (e.g. see the lack of women of color in the "Fat Acceptance" and "Health at Any Size" movements).   

 

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Avoc42883 Great points. I totally agree. It is a trick bag of sorts.

thecrazyartist 2211 pts

 JennMJack  Avoc42883

 I notice this too,  I live in a predominantly white area and Beyonce isn't on most mens radar, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj are the butt of jokes, but never called "beautiful", in all honesty the only black women that people seem to think are genuinely attractive in this area are halle berry, kerry washington and naomi campbell.  It comes down to the BC beauty standards vs what mainstream america thinks(IMO).  The "hip hop" standards that the BC has promoted for the last 15 years or so just do not mesh with what america as a whole thinks,  sure light skin, long hair, "thickness" and a big booty will get you accolades in the BC(regardless of actual features, poise, class etc) where as in mainstream america being fairly tall, and slim with "balanced" features is more desired.   It also comes down to america not seeing the light vs dark battle, Beyonce, Halle, Alek, Rihanna, and Naomi are all seen as black, so it does not matter having "light skin" does not give you an edge.

 

 The standard is by and large still a thin white blonde woman. You may have a hard time believing this but even mixed race people practice colorism against each other(I have seen it and experienced it).  People will judge each others mixed based on how white the non black parent is. In other words the ability to pass for white is valued. My mother is not completely white, so I have very apparent visable native american traits, my father is very dark with very "african" features.  Another girl that was mixed black  and white told me se was more "mixed and white" and I looked like "a nappy headed indian", and "you could pass for hawaiian or latina but not white like me"(this girl did not look white, she was beyonces complexion but because her hair was blonde and her eyes were green she felt the need to point out how "white looking" she was). A dark mixed girl(she was darker than obama with kinky hair) was put through hell and back by these people.  Yes, even mixed race people judge each other based on hair texture, skin color and degree of "pure white blood".   

 

I think it comes down to parents teaching their daughters self esteem from within, and self confidence from achievement.  You cannot seek validation from others, you have to validate yourself. I think this sort of thing starts in the home, children especially 5-8 year olds do not think about their looks until it is pointed out to them.  The media will not give you self esteem, and I am happy to see that young girls are taking the media to task over how they are potrayed.

 

DeepWater 2438 pts

 thecrazyartist  JennMJack  Avoc42883   Well said and thought out analysis, thecrazyartist.  I second that motion.

Toni_M 18699 pts moderator

 thecrazyartist  JennMJack  Avoc42883 "The media will not give you self esteem."

 

There's no money in it.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

 thecrazyartist  JennMJack I've totally seen mixed people duke it out in a "who's whitest and brightest" contest, sad when it happens because like I said, the white beauty standard game is a game where only whites can win.  People of color can get close but never as close as an actual white person can.

DeepWater 2438 pts

 Avoc42883  thecrazyartist  JennMJack   This, I believe and have seen happen in certain circles, Avoc42883.   You got that one right.   I've seen mixed heritage folk (metaphorically) fight it out, and on the usual, they don't want to be seen as "Black".   

thecrazyartist 2211 pts

 DeepWater  Avoc42883  JennMJack

It happens and it is sad to watch, like I said this girl looked like beyonce only her hair was naturally long and blonde and her eyes were green, she was no where near white and insisted on putting down darker featured people(like myself),  I already know I do not look like a black-white mix, I know I facially look more like a black native mix, I know my hair isn't silky and "fine" and is more coarse kinky-curly, and I know my eyes are dark.  There is nothing wrong with it. You would think after nearly 22 years I would pick up on these things, there is no need to point it out. I don't care what people see me as, be it black or mixed, as long as it is not offensive or degrading name calling I am fine with it.  These people(especially women) revel and absorb the colorism issues of black men.  She was more than happy to have DBR men following her and praising her, but less than pleased when a "pitch black" girl had a "geeky loser" prom date, who just so happened to be white.  She couldn't understand how a "fully black woman" and not a mixed one got a white boy to notice her.

FriendsofJay 1803 pts

 Avoc42883  JennMJack But as the November election proved, America is becoming more brown than white.  I'm told that by 2025-30 we WASPs will be the minority.  Personally I think that will lead to a better understanding of racial harmony. 

Avoc42883 1222 pts

 FriendsofJay  JennMJack What you are saying is overly idealistic in my opinon, look at some Latin countries for example.  Some have black populations of nearly 50% but you wouldn't know that by their tv and media.   Technically the black population in the United States is shrinking and its no secret that other minority populations hold deep biases towards blacks, often worse than whites.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Avoc42883  FriendsofJay I agree. It is a bit idealistic. But, I think forced harmony is harmony nonetheless and even though the Black community is shrinking (because births per family naturally decrease once an ethnic group becomes more affluent/educated), other minority groups will experience the same shrinkage over time.

 

WASPs will be in the minority, Hispanics will likely be the majority, but the bloc of minorities in totality will make a brown US.

 

Also, let's not forget pop artists' popularity globally. What is interesting is that Solange and Kelly are very popular in Eurasia. And they definitely don't fit the Beyonce phenotype. So, it is pretty American to do this whole "white=beauty" thing.

DWB 7197 pts

I know that it is more complicated, but if the black dolls looked more like the ones at this link, they'd be more popular:

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=dreadlock+barbie&hl=en&safe=active&tbo=d&authuser=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=knqxUJWuDMfy0gG8-YCAAw&ved=0CAQQ_AUoAA&biw=1600&bih=730

 

Painting a white doll brown doesn't cut it ... I think that they need the features that make black women unique and beautiful.

DWB 7197 pts

Having trouble with the link...

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=dreadlock+barbie&hl=en&safe=active&tbo=d&authuser=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=knqxUJWuDMfy0gG8-YCAAw&ved=0CAQQ_AUoAA&biw=1600&bih=730

DWB 7197 pts

Sorry, cut and paste ... :-(

DeepWater 2438 pts

 DWB   Howdy.  I think I can agree with you here DWB, there's formatting issues here.

 

To the mods good post but I believe y'all may be having some type of formatting issues?   

 

Ads are scrunching on top of comment page format.    This movie looks good and one to be checked out.

 

MixedUpInVegas 1643 pts

Oh My!  Clearly there has been a shift--a big one--in the years since I was actively parenting my daughter.  I do remember that there were "brown" dolls, presumably hispanic, that resembled my mixed-race daughter, and I bought those for her.  She seemed very happy with them.  I also remember that her high school years were difficult (isn't everyone's?) as she struggled to come to terms with not being quite in any category.  It was an issue I had to face myself.  In adulthood, it all came together for me, and it did for her, too.  Adolescence is difficult under any circumstances.  Racial identity issues don't make it any easier.

Asia 194 pts

I would had loved to go to this! It makes me think of my exboyfriend's niece. They're both white, the little girl is three now. When she first started noticing that I was a different color it started off as her seeing black women on the street and thinking it was me. And her mom would say no that's not Asia. She's in preschool now and somewhere along the way shes learned who's black and white. She says hes black shes white I'm white and she's describing her family members which she considers me part of her family and she then says he's black but Asia is white. And when they told me this I thought how odd that she would think that. I'm not considered "light skinned" so I don't know why she would be confused about this? Anywho I want to see this movie!

Jamila 7148 pts moderator

Thanks for sharing this with us. I'll look for that movie. 

 

Recently, I was in the car with my dad, and step-mom and my step-mom was telling us about her niece--who was at our home the night before and is about 4 or 5 years old, said she only wanted white dolls for Christmas because the black dolls all have "nappy" hair. Well, no one in my family buys ANY of the kids white baby dolls. All of my daughters dolls' are various shades of brown.  So my step-mom said that she would talk to her niece, because the only way the little girl was going to get any dolls from anyone was if that doll was black. 

 

Little black girls start having issues at a VERY young age. 

zipporah 1713 pts

This comes from the MODERN CULTURE!! since WHEN did little black girls wanted white dolls only? I always wanted dolls of all colors. Its colorism making a comeback with a vengence with  c/rap musics video ho's...but hey..as long as we women dont complain about it, theyll just keep on putting down these girls---you know, many of us 'like' the crappy junk we watch many times

Toni_M 18699 pts moderator

 zipporah This was me as a kid. I REALLY wanted a Kira doll when I was a kid because I thought she was prettier than Barbie, but it never occured to me to associate myself with Barbie or feel I was ugly because I didn't look like her. :/ But then, television and movies were not as "white-washed" as they've become over the past couple of decades and this is a huge problem for little black girls lacking true role models and sources hat reinforce their inner and outer beauty.

blessedgal 56 pts

 Jamila Can you please fix this post? The ads are overlapping and blocking the written content.....

Jamila 7148 pts moderator

@blessedgal The overlapping ads are happening to me to. I've tried to change browsers but that hasn't worked. It happens on some posts, but not on all of them. I'll let Chris know. 

Christelyn 8681 pts moderator

 Jamila  blessedgal I'm not seeing the overlapping ads on my computer.

Toni_M 18699 pts moderator

 Christelyn   Jamila  blessedgal It might depend on the browser. I'm seeing it as well. :S