Why Does the “Fiscal Cliff” Seem to Make Everyone Crazy?

Why Does the “Fiscal Cliff” Seem to Make Everyone Crazy?

Whether we go over the cliff or not, everyone needs to have several seats and have an adult conversation.

Author : Jenn M. Jackson

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In a recent post on this site about the “fiscal cliff,” the author discussed this “old becomes new” economic situation in much the same language used by political commentators and politicians today. And, as such, it evoked a slew of responses from both liberally and conservatively inclined commenters about what the real reasons were behind our current fiscal crisis. We have heard all the talking points about job creators and the poor’s supposed dependency on entitlements. We have also watched everyone from the House to the Senate point fingers at the other side and squeal “they did it!” My question is, when are going to have a real, adult conversation about what this country needs to do to get back on track? Regardless of who is to blame, who can score political points, or who will look the worst once this is all over, when are we all going to set the example for our leaders in Congress by moving past the rhetoric and addressing the problem directly?

For all those screaming on the sidelines at one another, this is not to say that your passion isn’t warranted. But, have you ever heard the phrase “he who argues with a fool…”? Well, who’s to say anyone’s a fool here? One thing that can be said is that the American public is totally over this whole partisan, political football thing and they simply want their Representatives and Senators to figure this whole mess out.

What is the “Fiscal Cliff” and How Did We Get Here in the First Place?

Those on the right will argue about this, but this whole mess started because of the “Bush Tax Cuts.” And, I find that the most thorough, unbiased explanation of these relief measures comes from Investopedia.

A series of temporary income tax relief measures enacted by President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. The tax cuts lowered federal income tax rates for everyone, decreased the marriage penalty, lowered capital gains taxes, lowered the tax rate on dividend income, increased the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000 per child, eliminated the phaseout on personal exemptions for higher-income taxpayers and eliminated the phaseout on itemized deductions and eliminated the estate tax.

With this understanding, it is clear that the Bush Tax Cuts lowered tax rates for everyone. The rich and poor alike have gained from these measures. And, the easiest way to understand the cuts is simply to grasp that there were previously higher rates and, after these laddered measures became active over the past ten years, the rates have been lowered across the board.

So, where does this fiscal cliff come in you ask? Well, Congress has been wrestling over these temporary tax measures since President Obama was elected. And in 2010, against the advice of many in his party, Obama signed an extension of the tax measures until December 31st, 2012. And, since Congress couldn’t get their act together to solve this issue, President Obama pushed for spending cuts that would automatically activate if no compromise was made. The Republicans signed up for this, to their dismay, and everyone kicked the tax cut can down the road and moved on to the next issue.

Upon expiration, these tax cuts would be joined by sweeping cuts across other spending, like defense, for example, would face strict cuts. This is where the term “sequestration” comes from. So, here we are, perched atop the fiscal cliff.

What are the Options Right Now?

Really, it is a simple linear equation on this one. You have your outflow variables on one side like defense spending, education, healthcare, and the like. And, on the other side you have your inflow variable: taxes. People will try and muddy up the conversation and throw Social Security in there but, ever noticed how your pay stub deducts that automatically? Well that’s called a payroll deduction. We are talking about income taxes. These are two separate conversations and for now, the twain shall not meet.

So, it is supposed to look something like this:

Incomes Taxes =Defense Spending + Education + Healthcare + Other Stuff

But, with our huge deficit and other income from the few loans we have out there, it really looks like this:

Incomes Taxes + Other income =Defense Spending + Education + Healthcare + Other Stuff +Federal Deficit/Credit Payments

You get the point right? These are the levers that need to be pulled. They are toggles that need to be, I don’t know…toggled. And, everyone has an opinion about which ones should be toggled when and by how much. Liberals say we should raise taxes and cut defense. And Conservatives say the exact opposite. But, being that this is a linear function, isn’t the answer somewhere squarely in the middle? Arguing back and forth about who did what really solves nothing. And, until we start really understanding and thinking through the options before us, we will get nowhere.

It wasn’t long ago that this country had to buckle down and face World War I. Subsequently, the Great Depression, caused by a host of factors, led into the start of World War II. And, during this evolutionary period for our country, we didn’t spend so much time denigrating and vilifying one another for political gain. Folks figured out that things would be harder and they wouldn’t have all the things they wanted but they would work to get what they needed. This isn’t meant to be preachy, but when are we going to start talking about what might happen if we do go over this fiscal cliff? Have we even considered the fact that we, the people – no pun intended – have some control over our own domains? What are we going to do to get serious about our body politic? And, what does this fiscal crisis mean to the Average Joe?

What is the Likely Outcome?

Politicians and pollsters would like you to believe that the world is going to end if the other side gets what they want. But, the truth is, the two sides are a lot closer on this stuff than they’d like to put on. The focus on reelection sometimes gets them all up in a tizzy. But, it is highly likely that the next few weeks of political melodrama will be capped off with an anti-climatic middle of the night vote. And, surprisingly, all will be saved. Even if all is saved for only a few more years, all will, nonetheless, be saved. I mean, that’s what happened last time.

But, in the meantime, this might be a good time to put the pointed finger away and turn some attention to the fact that we have got a looming fiscal crisis threatening to undue the progress made in the past few years. Not only that, this crisis is totally controllable. With some finesse and a lot of compromise, our leaders could get a solution passed tomorrow (this is a tad hyperbolic but you get the point). But, how are they going to get there with all the bickering and political grandstanding? The truth is, within this country, there are two spheres which exist in parallel. In a political sense, the right and left exist in almost perfect disharmony. And, they operate in disjointed bubbles which allow them to only reinforce their own beliefs. But, sometimes, you just need to hear a voice of reason to snap you back into reality.

What would you tell our friends in Congress to do if you could? What lessons have you learned that might be worth passing on to another person stressed out over the looming fall? Maybe we could all think about increasing our savings and starting a money market account before rates get any worse. Or, one might consider cutting back on gas usage to use the saved dollars to pay off school loans or other debt.

There are many lessons to be had here. But, what I would say is, let’s stop debating and start listening. Rep or Dem, conservative or liberal, we have got to get this straightened out. The New Year will be here before we know it. And, we have got to get our political houses in order. What do you think we really need to do about the fiscal cliff? Without blaming anyone or pointing fingers, what are some real solutions to this very very real problem?

Still fired up about the cliff, tell your Representative directly here.

Or, contact your Senator here.

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sharisajidan 72 pts

It is hard for our elected officials to have a conversation when one party is being held ransom by a LONE UNELECTED lobbyist by the name of Grover Norquist who enticed them to sign his pledge to never raise taxes vs. them upholding  the oath/pledge they made to the Constitution and nation. That's one of the root causes of this BS.

sharisajidan 72 pts

Also, this is not really a 'crisis' in the doomsday way people make it out to be-- yes our taxes will go up--- but to the rates they were at with Clinton. Fact is, a study showed it'd be good for our long term health/stability and unknown to most people it will bring down the deficit FASTER-- but almost TOO FAST-- and that's the issue.. we want a balanced slower steady way to bring down the deficit, instead of a fast austere way of doing it in which unemployment will jump slightly and too soon in this recovery.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 sharisajidan I totally agree. But, what it the most unjustifiable aspect of this whole debacle is the can kicking. I hate the fact that politicians use issues like this to either shift blame or deflect responsibility to the next Congress.

 

It is childish.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 sharisajidan Right. Grover Norquist is the most influential non-politician in the political world. He is shameless and greedy. But, the Reps who go along with him are no better.

ironcowboy 324 pts

What exactly is there to straighten out?   The entire fiscal cliff argument and tax rate debate is COMPLETELY irrelevant, and designed to confuse, amaze, and scare people! 

 

We can’t pay off the US debt (that includes off budget items), even if we confiscated the GDP of the entire world (mathematical speaking)!   So, this is a crazy argument for conservatives to even make!    LOL, trying to reduce the US debt with income taxes… LAMO…[oh god, my tummy hurts from laughing so hard]  that is for non-thinkers!

 

Income taxes… they are not designed to do what you think they are designed to do!  They are designed to do the opposite!  But  democrats… who think they can use the US tax code to reduce poverty rates long term…  LAMO…[oh god, my tummy hurts from laughing so hard]  that is for non-thinkers!

 

Let’s look at the BIG picture of the applied effect of Income taxes over the last 99 years:  tax rates have gone UP.  The numbers of people who are required to pay those tax rates have gone UP.  Federal spending on the poor has gone UP.  The US national debt has gone UP.  The GAP between the rich and poor has INCREASED!

 

There had been maybe 300 U.S. millionaires in 1860, but by 1900 there were 4,000 to 5,000….And because there was little change in the value of a dollar between 1860 and 1900, the gains were real and not the product of inflation. Then along came the Federal Reserve Bank and the modern income tax in 1913.  1 million dollars in 1913 is NOW equal to 23 million today… BUT only 66,000 people in the USA have a total net worth above $23 million bucks (2007 figures).  So we went from 1860 with a population of 31 million and 300 millionaires to 308 million people (in 2007) to an inflation adjusted 23 million in NAV.  We went from this: 0.000010 population: millionaire ratio to this: 0.000214.  MAN we are cooking with gas now!  Whoot Whoot whoot….

 

This was the entire point of the income tax!  …To prevent a serious increase in the number or millionaires per capital that the advancing industrial revolution would otherwise create.    You see, the BIG money families that existed in 1860’s to 1890’s, really liked being in a exclusive wealth power club, and owning a congress and the government!  The industrial revolution threated to mitigate their collective power hold on the government… so along comes the US income tax and Federal Reserve bank and vola!  The number of millionaires (inflation adjusted) has really not changed much at all!  The US income tax is and was designed to PREVENT more people from becoming millionaires, in a climate where the number of millionaires would otherwise have SKYROCKETED and threatened the existing power structure those legacy wealthy families enjoy!

 

However, the average poor American thinks a progressive income tax will redistribute the rich man’s money to him… HAHAHAHAHAH… But the opposite is the real truth!  Hhahahahaha….

 

IF you wanted to see real economic and political change in this country, abolish the income tax and apply a 90% death tax on the estate of every single American!

 

Then the only way for a person to get rich would be to earn it of his own accord, and in his own time!  This would eliminate the legacy wealth and the power hold they have on this country and it’s government… this would allow for TRUE progress!    But the Dems and the Repubs kiss the butts of the legacy power brokers in this nation, and generate smoke and lies to trick the non-thinking masses…

 

This present situation is all about RETAINED wealth and political power! 

 

The nation can have unlimited national debt; because, this can be offset by unlimited furfure productivity, all present debt is always properly balanced by some level of future productivity, seriously.

 

PS the value of your dollar has gone DOWN by 96.5% since 1913 and the income tax…  Who does that really help?  The rich only got richer… so… who?  Look at the 100 year trends…. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 ironcowboy

 OKay, so, you totally lost me on most of that. And I am not sure what LAMO means. But, the point of the post was to say that there is a basic formula, inputs and outputs. And, they either need to be balanced or the inputs need to outweigh the outputs.

 

It seems you suggest a death tax. Makes sense to me. These are the kinds of things Americans should be discussing. Real options to deal with fiscal crises.

 

I am not arguing about the purpose of income taxes. And, this post is nonpartisan in nature. It is simply saying that we should all consider this an "us" problem not a "them" problem. We have to stop casting blame and kicking the can around because nothing is getting solved in the process. Do you agree?

dani-BBW 1787 pts

TIME had a great story a few months ago, about the industry of outrage. So many people in the media are personally profiting from being divisive that compromise no longer seems like a viable option to much of the masses. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 dani-BBW

 Right. That is the whole point of these types of trumped up issues. And, I think Americans need to see the forest for the trees here. It really is a simple conversation and until folks agree on how to address it, we are going to get no where.

The Working Home Keeper 6638 pts

Back in 2008, my husband took steps to aggressively eliminate our consumer debt.  We switched to a cash based budget, began living on less than we earned, started an emergency fund and began paying extra on our sole remaining debt (mortgage).  In hindsight, I'm so thankful for the changes we made back then.  It has allowed us to weather this financial mess (which included a period of 9 months of unemployment for my husband).  Regardless of what happens with the financial cliff, we feel prepared because we have things in order with our own personal finances.  

ironcowboy 324 pts

 The Working Home Keeper YES!  SWEET... Please have many children and teach them this truth! 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 The Working Home Keeper

 IMO, that is the type of attitude to have. Folks should be focused on getting their own houses in order before pointing their fingers at anyone else. This is a great example of how to get your family's expenses managed in case something unexpected does happen in the future.

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

...and we are a middle class family, not of the wealthy "elite," supposedly the folks that are to be helped by the administration.....

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

Hi,

 

I liked reading this.  You made some important observations on how everyone was benefitted by the tax cuts, which many people don't seem to realize. 

 

This was an important observation you made:

 

 Maybe we could all think about increasing our savings and starting a money market account before rates get any worse. Or, one might consider cutting back on gas usage to use the saved dollars to pay off school loans or other debt.

 

Me:  I don't like to imagine the possibilities of payroll taxes increasing for everyone.  I don't think my family's tax bracket will be affected by the tax increase on the highest earners.  I'm troubled by the possibility of limitations on personal deductions and charitable contributions--for people who don't have as much deductions, it is a great help to have these tax saving possibilities.  The same goes for mortgage interest deductions and real property tax deductions.  But I'm pissed off the most over health care reform, because I will see the effects every month next year.  With respect to flexible spending accounts, we could deduct up to $5000 for our doctor's copays and other items.  Now we will only be able to deduct $2,500, and we don't meet the 7.5% of agi (I believe that is what the formula is) to deduct our out of pocket expenses.  So we will be faced with having to save more in the face of higher taxes that will undercut our ability to save to meet our needs. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 pioneervalleywoman

 Thanks for the comments. I really posted this because it seemed like the other posts was extremely divisive. Everyone was simply throwing around talking points and rhetoric. But, the truth is, until we face facts, we can do all that stuff until we are blue in the face and still nothing will be solved. You mention some real solutions. This is what people whould be talking about.

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