GAT-DL Okey-Doke: Black Women “Breeding Out Blackness”?

GAT-DL Okey-Doke: Black Women “Breeding Out Blackness”?

When I see something mentioned repeatedly within a short period of time at different locations, it’s not within me to see it as merely a coincidence. Sometimes, some people really want to get a point (or a fear) across and they will flap their gums all over the place to make it happen. Right now, [...]

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When I see something mentioned repeatedly within a short period of time at different locations, it’s not within me to see it as merely a coincidence. Sometimes, some people really want to get a point (or a fear) across and they will flap their gums all over the place to make it happen. Right now, it’s dictating to black women that if they have children with non-black men, they are self-hating women trying to “destroy themselves” and they are “breeding out blackness”. Because according to some folks, if there’s anything that is a threat to the existence and safety of black women….it’s having interracial children.

 

O.o

 

While this particular brand of stupid isn’t exactly new, it did give me pause to think about the cognitive dissonance, as one BBW commenter stated, that occurs regarding black women and our ability to date, marry, and procreate across racial lines. But in reality, these fears make no sense as race has never depended on any woman’s womb. You see, race is a *social* construct. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Nothing to do with DNA. It pretty much has no real scientific validity and serves no purpose except for division and compartmentalization. One could say it contributes to discrimination and oppression. But overall, it’s nearly impossible to protect and preserve because it simply does not exist.

 

So then, how on Earth do you make a black woman genetically responsible for carrying on a fictitious construct?

The answer? You don’t. And black women, you aren’t.

 

You are not a “race-traitor” for having a multi-racial or bi-racial child. You do not “hate yourself” or “hate black daughters” because you elect to exercise your freedom to date, marry, and have children with whomever you want. You are an EMPOWERED human being when you decide that you are living your life and loving whomever you want and if you decide to have children, fully expecting to love those children because they are your own.

They came from your womb, not by way of a factory paid for and approved of by the self-appointed protectors of the black race.  There is no GAT-DL stork sent to bring you a child with a pre-existing measurement of blackness. You will not hold the infant up on Pride Rock and have a light beam down from parted clouds to ensure the black race knows just how black your child is and how black you remain before God and black people everywhere.

 

But I digress.

 

Simply understand that it is not empowering to stand back and examine a child and decide how much you will or won’t love her or him based on how light or how dark that child is. And that’s regardless of race or ethnicity:  If your love is measured with a paper bag, that problem lies with YOU and not the child.

 

No child is too dark to love.

No child is too light to love.

 

And if this is going to be a factor, something you cannot wrap your head around, I ask in all sincerity that you think very carefully before deciding whether or not you want to be a parent. Especially if it’s going to be your knee-jerk reaction to assume that having a child with your non-black partner is an act of self-hate. Oh yes, I’ve seen the IRR-apologists and I know some of you are sitting out there now struggling with the idea that you need to stamp that “BLACK” label on your child as soon as the umbilical cord is cut, lest you fail the entire race.

Put the stamp down. Hold your child. Love your child.

 

And stop letting other people who don’t really care about your individual interests anyway tell you what you need to do in order to preserve THEM. The only thing you need to worry about preserving is a healthy love that can be passed from mother to child.

 

 

 

(Note: The Olympics post is coming! I’ve been crazy busy so I haven’t been able to write like anything….)

 

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Lili2009 1826 pts

I'm going in Monday to have our 2nd child (a girl.) Was someone else on this blog also scheduled to give birth this week as I recall? If so, good luck to you!  Hope you're doing well! 

Christelyn 8683 pts moderator

 Lili2009 Yes--Bunny77 is just about due. Happy pushing!

Brenda55 19275 pts moderator

 Lili2009 Congratulations on the new addition to the family. Hope all goes well for you and hubby. 

Karla 18215 pts

 Lili2009 Congrats to all the mommies, daddies and babies!

Kiwiwriter 611 pts

 Lili2009 Congratulations to you and all the upcoming mothers!

Toni_M 18707 pts moderator

 Lili2009 YAY! :D

zipporah 1714 pts

blah blah blah--yes it possible to 'breed out blackness'--so be it...BTW,, I have a book on Dwight Eisenhower.. I saw a picture of his mother--she looks like she has' 'black' in her. She simiilar to  my black great grandma--but Miss Stroyer married a 'mennonite german' that changed the spelling of his name from Eisenhauer to Eisenhower

ForeverSerenity 339 pts

Well said! Enough with the people who think they know what's good enough for you.  I celebrate my multi-racial children, my daughters who have light skin and brown/blonde hair and my son who is dark like me with his kinky hair! Yeah love made them! 

zipporah 1714 pts

Its cool===isnt it? shows the handiwork of GOD when you have lots of different DNA strains

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

PVW's evil twin sister comes out of the woodwork: I think it is important to think in another context as well, but not just from the perspective of black women having to uphold blackness by having childen with black men only, but considering the types of arguments that black men make about why they can date, marry out and have children by non-bw but still uphold blackness. We need to keep these in mind to remind ourselves that it is not just about us, but about the men in our lives, and their perspectives are the ones that count, not the opinions of random dbr types. So, the DBR types say... They are just "spreading their seed as men should do." They are "making up for slavery." But here is where I argue in favor of a twist, which I know will give the GAT-DL a heart attack... So i'm thinking, what might a non-bm say in response, using the same arguments the DBR types spout? "I'm just spreading my seed with whomever I want, and I want to spread it with her (BW) exclusively. That is my prerogative as a man. Deal with it..." "Compared to you going after white women as a result of slavery and having children by these women but not always marrying them, I'm actually doing so in a way that reflects my manhood in a way that you can't even imagine. She is married and living with me in a way an enslaved woman could not have lived decades ago. So what do you have to say to that?" PVW's evil twin has this big shit-eating grin going right now... But here is the thing; the GAT-DL brigade would have black women feel guilty for recognizing the righteous empowered male attitude of the non-black men we are with. We are to uphold the empowered male interests of black men exclusively, EVEN TO OUR DETRIMENT AS BLACK WOMEN. "Uh, yeah, right..."PVW and her evil twin let out a collective snort. I must admit that I developed some of these arguments out of chats over the years with Mr. PVW. He has always been the type to say, I'm a man, I do what I want, screw you if you don't like it. In addition, we were chatting recently about history; he is French-Canadian, and stories about the priests in New France complaining about Frenchmen "going native" and settling with Native American women. The priests sent back reports that the authorities should encourage the emigration of French women. If he were alive back then, he said he definitely would have "gone native," it is just his personality type--forget the French women, he would have been with a woman of color. I told him, yes, I could have seen him doing that wherever he was, New France, the Caribbean, etc., because it is how he has lived his life with me today....

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

I remember when I was a lot younger, having a time when I was just learning about my natural hair, and I had a moment where I was concerned that if I had a bi/multi racial daughter that we would not be able to bond over hair. Over time, I got over that and I realized that hair isn't the most important thing for my and any future daughters I have to bond over. I never bonded with my mother over hair, it's really not that serious. Not only that, recently I stumbled upon a website called Chocolate Hair Vanilla Care, hosted by a white mother with a black adopted daughter. Completely obliterating the idea that people of two different races can't bond over hair. In fact, both she and her husband have bonded with their daughter over her hair care, and she seriously has some of the most gorgeous hair I've ever seen on a child. It's a beautiful thing. And something unique to their family. But I have resigned that I will simply have to wait and see what me and my children bond over. Maybe I my daughter will be a tomboy and not have much interest in hair. Maybe we will be more interested in clothes, or dolls, or writing. Who knows. 

 

All I know now is whatever relationship I have with my children, I will love them *because* they are multiracial. I will love them *because* they are a perfect blend of myself and their father and the love that we feel for each other. I will be proud to have created something that is explicitly mine, and no one else in the world could have made this thing, this *person* the way I did. I remember an episode of Grey's Anatomy where a girl was in the hospital telling one of the doctors how her mother always used to warn her to be safe by telling her she made her from scratch. That is something that stuck with me. And it exemplifies the love I feel for my children even now when they don't exist. Of course back ground and heritage and those who came before us comes into play. All of that makes us uniquely who we are, and you never know when recessive genes will pop up. But it's only me who will labor them into this world. It's only my egg and my partners sperm that will spark them into existence. And that is more important that maintaining any social construct. More important that keeping up with any cockamamy, half assed Joneses.

 

I'd seriously be damned to consciously subject myself to the pain of child birth (because when I have children they will be planned upon) to turn around and hate my children because of the color of their skin or the texture of their hair. Because despite it all, despite whatever they are mixed with, it is my DNA that caused them to look the way they do. And it is simply so, that to hate my children is to hate myself. To hate my children's non-blackness is to hate my own blackness. And that is clearly something that most people do not understand. And funnily enough is a denial I feel many are attempting to hide behind the guise of "I want brown babies. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@VintageNarcissa My hubby and I are trying to get pregnant and once I get pregnant b/c I have to do to bring this child into the world b/c I'm a type 1 diabetic. My husband and I were just talking the other day, he asked me what I wanted boy or girl. I said a healthy baby. That really is what matters, I'm doing more than any many could imagine to have a healthy baby and gladly sacrificing. God's blessed me enough to fund the best doctors & care I'd be the most hateful & selfish so and so ever to say 'I want brown babies' I want a healthy child that's a part of me and my husband. Everything else is just kind of icing on the cake. That's what is important now that we're trying to have a baby, the baby is important, which means my health is important. This is the real world and we are more than a IR family and this child will be more than bi-racial.

Blackberry 1177 pts

"You will not hold the infant up on Pride Rock and have a light beam down from parted clouds to ensure the black race knows just how black your child is and how black you remain before God and black people everywhere." LOL! Sometimes Toni you make so much sense, that it is absurd that some people need this spelled out for them. That aside I do have male friends, of varying races, who held up their newborns and sang part of the circle life song, but I think they were just very proud papas.

tamonibe12 13 pts

Every where I turn black men are with other races so who are black women suppose to be with?  No body?  That's the real question.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

And another thing. The way I am about childbirth anything that comes from me is a part of me. I really think people are really taking that for granted. I see people who continuously down their children! Like they did not come from them! My baby could be born with blue hair and have branches for arms! I'm loving my baby no matter what! It's a part of me! If you hate your kids you hate your self! Now THAT is self hate!

zipporah 1714 pts

I love babies of all kinds BUT THEY DONT STAY BABIES FOREVER---and the best of them take TWO PARENTS at best with 18 YEARS to boot,, etc. Some young married couples plan on having more than 3 kids..its also cool when mixed couples have kids and have more combinations of colors and hair textures

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 zipporah Two parents are a must! I want A LOT of kids, kind of makes me go crazy. I want them all the be lined up while I'm signing report cards. LOL 

 

"Its also cool when mixed couples have kids and have more combinations of colors and hair textures" 

 

This makes me so crazy, all the kids would have distinct looks, but still look like each other!

The Working Home Keeper 6552 pts

 Pearl Rose  zipporah "all the kids would have distinct looks, but still look like each other!"

 

Sounds like our kids LOL!  All three have different hair textures, but similar facial features!  Our two boys often get mistaken as twins.  Our daughter has black, wavy hair.  Our oldest son has brown hair with loose, long curls.  And the baby boy has brown hair like his brother, but with tight curls (like a fro).

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

The Working Home KeeperPearl Rosezipporah

I am friends with a multi racial family that's very large and all of the kids have different physical characteristics, but they all have pretty much the same family resemblance in their facial features. The mom and dad are both multi racial, the mom being black, white and native american she kind of has a look like Tatiana Ali or Leobodyc5 from youtube (google to see what I mean) and the dad is black and white and hispanic and looks like a cross between boris kodjoe and mark salling. They have 6 kids. 

 

- The oldest boy has darker skin that looks like he could be Hawaiian or Polynesian, dark wavy hair and dark eyes 

- The next oldest boy looks biracial more than anything. He kind of looks like Corbin Bleu, has light skin and light brown kinky curly hair and hazelish-greenish eyes

- The oldest girl who's the oldest of a boy/girl twin set looks like shes biracial or hispanic, either like Jennifer Freeman or Naya Rivera depending whether she wears her hair curly or straight. She has lighter skin and huge dark curls/waves and dark eyes.

- Her twin brother is fairly brown skinned, kind of like Barack Obama and his hair is almost completely straight. It's like type 2 hair, with just the ever so slightest hint of a wave. He has very bright, honey brown eyes.

- The next daughter has a skin tone similar to the brother before her. She has dark eyes like the oldest sister and light brown kinky curly hair like the second oldest brother,

- The youngest daughter has the fairest skin, eyes and hair. She has curls/waves like the oldest daughter but they're almost sandy blonde and green eyes.

 

They *all* resemble the dad in their actual facial features.

 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

Hmm. So if climate change did happen everything got hotter we would all be black. What if it'll get colder,we'd all be white. Human reproduction has nothing to do with breeding out anything. I'm tired of these self proclaimed scientists who don't even look up the things that they say.. do we not have libraries, internet, and encyclopedias? 

 

oekmama 1047 pts

LOL! This was my morning funny because it brought back to mind a very similar comment from my brother. He tried to pop this on me, when he heard I was getting married. Well, I laughed a whole lot longer than would be considered polite in most circles.

What this feels like is a 'last lick'. Anyone from the Caribbean here? Kids play this: When someone is leaving the game, you get one last lick (ie slap) in and then run. You make sure it's particularly stinging so that the person will feel it and remember you for a long time afterwards.

 

So, these fools think that yeh, you're escaping (or thinking of escaping) and try to get in one 'last lick' that's gonna stay with you make you feel guilty and possibly explode later... huh. not a chance.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

 oekmama Although I'm not from the Caribbean, when I was a kid we were all about getting the last lick in, so I totally see where you're coming from. These idiots are like "If you're going, we're gonna give you something to remember us by." What a load of bullshit!

Patricia Kayden 1669 pts

 oekmama Last lick sounds like tag.  And yes, Black men are trying to get that last kick at women who are moving on.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

Just when you thought color hatred only happens to humans, people are hating on black and dark colored fur coats of animals!! Its pathetic!

http://www.loupgarourescue.org/

 

 We actually need to help animals that are dark colored find homes because they face disrimination in adopting!! That's ridiculous! Its a dog! They're all cute and loving in their own way! Dark or brown pigmentation doesn't mean evil or bad!!

onmywayup 1728 pts

 BrokenHeartNSoul13 Wow, really?  And I thought I've heard everything!

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 onthewaydown I know I thought I had seen it all! Next they'll be projecting racism onto furniture! "Oh, we have a hard time selling the dark brown and black oak dining sets because it reminds people of blacks." LOL

 
Patricia Kayden 1669 pts

 BrokenHeartNSoul13 Dang racism is deep!!  I knew that black cats had a hard way to go (because of stereotypes that they are evil or associated with witchcraft), but I didn't know about black dogs.

 

WOW.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 Patricia Kayden Wow is right, I'm tired of all these stupid nasty people!!

 
BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

And I am SO sick of hearing the phrase "I don't want to mix race because I want my kids to look like me."

 

 STUPID!! First of all "Race" is an invention of a hateful human mind, its not real!

Second, the child is coming from you and another person, ITS YOU AND YOUR GENES! YOUR BLOOD!

 Of course the baby will look like you!! Because its coming from you! Not some Petri dish or strange donor!

 But, the child like all humans will have their own looks and identity ultimately! That's the point and blessing of being human!! We aren't cloned ants or a species of wild dog!! We have our own looks and identity!! DUH!!

 

 Why do people keep using that stupid phrase??! I'm so sick of that! Dumb people!!

onmywayup 1728 pts

 BrokenHeartNSoul13 Right...I always ask those people if they know how genetics works.  They have 50 percent of your genes...chances are they are going to resemble you in some way.  People just need to stop with that nonsense.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 onthewaydown

 We shouldn't even have to say that to anyone!! They are so dumb! And I think some people are willfully ignorant because they want to project hatred onto others to make themselves feel better!

arlette81 203 pts

Yeah this reminds me of this white woman who was fed up of people being surprised that her mixed daughter looked exactly like her, she was just a tanned curly haired version of her.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 arlette81

 That's ridiculous arlette!! Sad worldl!

zipporah 1714 pts

the term RACE comes from white eugenists like Darwin and others--besides, they may NOT LOOK LIKE YOU.... sometimes they look like grandma and grandpa--i dont look like my parents but my grandparents etc...

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

"So then, how on Earth do you make a black woman genetically responsible for carrying on a fictitious construct?

The answer? You don’t. And black women, you aren’t."

 

  YAY!!!!! I love this comment from you Toni!!! This is absolutely correct!! Race was invented by elites and those in power who happen to have light pink skin in order to divide, destroy and hold power and control over the majority of humanity. I said "light pink skin" because obviously this didn't come from RayRay and Paco on Crenshaw blvd, lets be real here, rich "whites" created the idea of race to divide and conquer people and of course to keep themselves and anyone that they label as "white" on top. It will be nice when oneday we can just be called by our names and also be called humans instead of the stupid race labeling and color labeling systems.

 

"And stop letting other people who don’t really care about your individual interests anyway tell you what you need to do in order to preserve THEM. The only thing you need to worry about preserving is a healthy love that can be passed from mother to child."

 

And that comment was the icing on the double deckered cake!! Thank you for this excellent article!

We are not "Black" or "White" we are humans and we are individuals too, no matter who tries to label us otherwise to exalt themselves! 

Kiwiwriter 611 pts

I don't get it...how can you "breed out" genetic markers? I mean, wouldn't you be adding more people to a given ethnic/genetic construct?

 

What defines "blackness" or any other ethnicity? Sorry if I sound dumb or naive, or baffled, but I kind of am. Shouldn't people be defined by what they do and how they behave?

 

I don't participate in any Jewish rituals any more, haven't been kosher in years, am not a member of a Synagogue, but I'm still Jewish...and I'm still Jewish.  What is "Jewishness?" What is "Blackness?" How do you define that? By behaving like a stereotype? By that logic, I should have a long beard, wear a black hat, black coat, and prayer shawl, and speak Yiddish.

 

I'm missing something here. It just seems to me that Shakespeare was right, "This above all, to thine own self be true." Be who you are, you can do no less and no more.

 

The Yankees are up 4-1, over the hated Boston Red Sox, and I have to get up early in the morning. Vacation's over. Back to work. I'm going to hit the sack. All I can do is be me. I'm not anybody else, so I have to be me, whoever that is. If I run into myself, one of us will have to be the evil twin.

Brenda55 19275 pts moderator

 Kiwiwriter "I don't get it...how can you "breed out" genetic markers? I mean, wouldn't you be adding more people to a given ethnic/genetic construct?"

 

Come on.  do you think that the bimbatroids that make up the GAT-DL know any thing about genetic markers?  We are not talking about the sharpest tools in the shed. 

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

 Brenda55 Kiwiwriter They wouldn't know a genetic marker from a magic marker. Logic and actual facts are completely lost on them.

Zaire 83 pts

 Kiwiwriter 

LOL. Magic marker.

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CaribCanadian 89 pts

 Kia I too believe its a competition thing black men have with black women. When black women mate with white men (especially) they can't compete with that black woman no longer. This is what bites black men's skin.

zipporah 1714 pts

THAT IS SOOO TRUE!! i remember in the 1970s, no one mentioned it when WW had half black kids..my cousins didnt have it bad at all, but what im hearing about BW having half black kids and being put down by the GAT-DL crew is ridiculous...OTOH i dont like it when people say that BM ALL have made bad choices,,,they only made bad choices if they are in the hip hop culture and that crew..some WM are pretty much punks too--ive SEEN THEM

Suburban Soulgirl 249 pts

I've usually heard the old "breeding out the race" argument from neurotic white supremacists...I'd never thought I'd see the day where some of "our own" would regurgitate such neo-naziesque garbage.

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

@Suburban Soulgirl and the funny part is that the white women who date out more or less told the white supremacists by their actions (they just quietly went about their business) that they didn't care what they had to say, they didn't care what names they called them, they could just stuff it!

Patricia Kayden 1669 pts

I guess a thousand and one things are said about Black women dating non-Black men.  I think it's good to ignore the haters and just carry on with being happy.  If Black women having children with non-Black men is destroying "Blackness", then what are the Black men doing who are having many more children with non-Black women doing to the so-called Black community? 

 

Only stupid Black women would take such a foolish argument seriously.

vthewriter 265 pts

This is unrelated, but since I've been trolling this site today I'll throw it out there: my wife is a hero. I'm proud of her. I don't think she really understands how many lives she saves. It's just a part of being her.

Alana 2 387 pts

The above stock photo is one of my favorite BW IR stock photos because everyone looks so happy!

 

EvieE 229 pts

Are there black women with self hate issues? Sure there are, especially when black women are constantly being told their brand of beauty is not acceptable for prospective mates. But most black women who date outside their race are waking up to the fact that we are desirable to other races and that kills the DBR black man and that's why they throw these lines at us. I can think or three examples of this. I remember having a long conversation with a black male friend of mine about interracial dating where he tried to justify why it was okay for black men to date outside their race but not black women. Basically he claimed it went back to slavery and how black women were raped by their slave masters, therefore seeing a black woman with a white man does something to the black man's psyche. Now mind you this guy has two children from two different white women.

My second example is one of my really close friends who I think is drop dead gorgeous. She's beautiful dark skinned sister who turns heads wherever she goes. Most of her life she's been told she's pretty "for a dark skinned girl" Manly by black men. A guy she dated even broke up with her because his mama didn't want dark nappy headed babies. He actually used a racial epithet but I'll refrain from using it here. It really hurt her self esteem but now she's happily married to an Asian man and called all kinds of race traitor and whores because she decided to take her dating destiny in my own hand.

My last example is something I personally experienced. I was at the movies waiting in the popcorn line while my husband went to the bathroom. In the next line was a black man and his white girlfriend or wife(not sure which), When her saw me look at him, he grabs his girlfriend and starts making out with her and then looks at me to see my reaction. I guess it bothered him because he didn't get the reaction he expected and their practically dry humping in line annoying the other people in line. So out of the bathroom comes my husband who is white. The guy seems to get angry. Later after the movie we see that couple and I've honestly forgotten about them, but I hear the word "bitch" muttered as he walks by. He seems pretty angry as if me being with my husband has ruined his evening.

 

So the bottom line is, these black men who throw these names at us like race traitor and white man's whore are the true self haters. They don't want us because we remind them too much of their own self hatred, but they don't want us to be happy because it underlines that there's absolutely nothing wrong with us. The problem lies with them. I refuse to apologize for who I love and loving our child unconditionally. Just not going to happen. 

 

Toni_M 18707 pts moderator

 EvieE " A guy she dated even broke up with her because his mama didn't want dark nappy headed babies."

 

O_o I heard that in the Uncle Ruckus voice.

EvieE 229 pts

 Toni_M I think she made a lucky escape there because even if he would have stood up to his mother, I think my friend would have had a nightmare in law experience for sure.