History of Swirling in the UK…A Boon for Black, African Men?

You have issues. You needed to be told through that documentary that you are worthy of love?

You have issues for anonymously picking a fight with a complete stranger on the internet. #trollspray

Tara, you wrote:

"Now for all of you who are tired of sexualized and fetishized views of black women, I’m sure this just pissed you off. But that whole “Jezebel” stereotype or anything portraying black females as desirable in any way isn’t something I’ve come across often, so I kind of appreciate it. (Although I know females who don’t value themselves as anything but sexually attractive can get into a ton of trouble and have very poor self-esteem. But girls DO need to know that they’re beautiful.)"

I totally agree. This brings to mind the character Alisha from the British tv show Misfits. She's a total Jezebel stereotype in the first season, AND a love interest in the second season. This seems downright revolutionary compared to American tv, where the hypersexual black female character has never gone on to be a serious love interest.

Frankly, I did not even realise that she was black until someone told me. But I guess it's England so she goes by mixed race.

Your comments are rather peculiar on a board of BW involved in relationships with quality men of other races, and most of us are smart enough to catch the misdirection going on here. There are a few folks who show up randomly on one thread only, use a woman's name, throw out some anti-BW/pro-BM/pro-WW comments and then disappear... so far, this is fitting the bill.

But I'll take on your premise here. You're absolutely right that you're not likely to see a wealthy white golfer or a wealthy white NBA star marrying a black high school dropout. To that I say, and?

The fact that Tiger and Kobe did this say more about their obsessions with non-black women than it does about black women's desirability.

Why are black people (including BW, if you are one) elevating athletes and entertainers into the "quality man" category? Because they have money? Notice I say money, and not wealth... because a large number of athletes are broke soon after their careers are over...

• By the time they have been retired for two years, 78% of former NFL players have gone bankrupt or are under financial stress because of joblessness or divorce.

• Within five years of retirement, an estimated 60% of former NBA players are broke.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364/1/index.htm

Now, you do see a decent number of BM athletes marrying and dating non-black women of little accomplishment. Perhaps for those women, that is a "better deal." But, in the two cases you mentioned, to get that "better deal" meant that one wife (Elin Woods) saw her husband cheat with more than 100 different women (including porn stars) and possibly expose her to a realm of STDs. The other, Vanessa Bryant, had to stand by as her husband was accused of rape... and even though it was not rape, she had to listen as he confessed to having sex with a woman he didn't know and had just met an hour or so earlier. And if you think that's the only time he cheated, well...

Maybe you think Tiger and Kobe are too rich to ever go broke... well, one probably thought that about all these guys too. Tiger Woods lost most of his endorsements (where his real money comes from) in the wake of the scandal and is Enemy No. 1 in the golf world right now... and of course, we ALL know what happened with O.J. Simpson.

http://www.businesspundit.com/25-rich-athletes-who-went-broke-10-1/

I think it's also very telling that these rich black men -- some of the richest in the world -- have to marry so far down to get a non-black woman that they can only get nannies, babysitters, high school girls on video shoots and waitresses not going to school. It's such a joke in the sports industry and behind closed doors, they think quite poorly of these BM who appear to be so obsessed with white or non-black flesh that they take any woman just so they can say they're with a non-black woman.

So, if you want to consider the chance to marry a philandering, overspending "NBA superstar" as "getting a better deal," then by all means, bemoan that.

I'm perfectly happy to see BW with men (of whatever race -- but IR for the purposes of this board) who value their entire package -- including their achievements and aren't so obsessed with non-blackness that they drop any sense of quality standards a man should have when searching for a wife.

Bunny - I remember you pushing IR heavily over on Black Voices. So, am I to understand that you have a problem when the coupling is reversed (BM/WW). That's mighty hypocritical of you. I think it shows that BM have more decency about them that they actually MARRY women of different races.

You have got to be joking b/c someone marries you and cheats on you it's somehow supposed to be better. You are delusional. If that was case I would rather blk women stay single. LOL Please take this figment of your imagination somewhere else.

They sure do marry and create a LOT of illegitimate babies around the world. They get ghost on these white women like crazy. I mean there are a LOT of biracial bastards with black fathers! So that says a lot about the brothers!

Funny, because I don't post on Black Voices and never have... and interesting how you seem so obsessed about e-following black women across message boards that you would be claiming to "track" me. There's places you can seek help for such obsessive behaviors these days, you know.

Anyway, time to go eat dinner with the white guy who married me... after I just had a nice lunch meeting today with my friend who also got married in March to her white husband... but I suppose we're all exceptions in Troll World.

Oh, they just can't help themselves!

There is so much trifling nonsense in this paragraph I don't even know what to say. So I'm just going to laugh at you.

HARD.

Don't you find it rather strange that white men don't create boards devoted to dating/marrying black women. A lot of these posters on here are obviously trolls who are not interested in dating black women. They're laughing at you.

Oh now I say you're a man. Because we've heard this line a million times before. If you think we're stupid and being laughed at, what you here for just let us be humiliated and laugh along if that's your thing. Why are so invested in telling bw how worthless they are especially if you're supposedly a bw. Yea, you're the troll. Boy what is compulsion you all have, you can't even control yourselves. Oh you need some help. Real men don't sit on the computer all day, real men have jobs they go to unlike bm like you. Are you the same woman/man that was on here not too long ago, the one that was going back to the Spearhead and talking about us. I think so b/c you kept saying how 'attractive' you were then it was a running theme along with being young. Good gravy, what is your problem?

Seriously, no matter how self-hating a "sista soldier" is, she is not go on and on about the quality of BM/WW relationships vs WM/BW relationships.

They would be more likely to say "it's sites and posts like this that are driving the good BM away".

It never fails that these men can't help but give themselves away with their rabid hatred of all things IR when it comes to BW weighing their options.

Liza,

But look at how they were/are treated? They may marry them and initially treat them as if they are the most precious thing in the world. Eventually the truth comes out. Kobe was accused of rape. Even though he wasn't convicted of rape, I don't believe that sex (infidelity on his part) was denied. You know what happened to Tiger's Aryan goddess. Both women and their families are much better off materially though. That's the only thing to be mad about. Those highly coveted WW still get disrespected, humiliated, and abandoned by those BM. Tiki Barber as well as O.J. and the late Nicole Simpson are other examples.

A friend of mine told me of neighborhoods in Germany filled with WW and their mixed children who have been abandoned by their Black fathers. WW aren't winning with BM either.

My point was - at least it reached the MARITAL PHASE. The majority of these white men are not looking for anything beyond a few dates and a romp - if they even take the time to actually DATE you. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Hmmm. That's weird, because the first white guy I slept with we had sex on the third date, and now he's my husband for 10 years next April. Not saying it was a good idea. It really wasn't. But in my defense, I knew what kind of man he was. And surprise! He called the next day, and the next, and the next...

Yea Chris b/c I had sex with my 1st husband on the 2nd date and he married me. Yea it wasn't the best idea but we did get married and stayed married for 9 years. I can't say I waited forever with Matt either and we got married. So Liza is pushing an argument that has no merit but she's committed and can't be wrong so, whatever.

I've said this TEN times already. There are rare exceptions, but I do not believe it is appropriate to have sex that soon - especially in an IR dating scenario. Why didn't your husband create this message board?

LOL! Ha...MLQ infiltrator. Attention, Liza is a troll. She's using the GAT-DL message points. Cease and desist. HAHA you just can't help yourselves--you always give yourselves away. ;-)

Oh...why didn't he create this board? HE'S BUSY MAKING MONEY AT AT J.O.B. SO HE CAN SUPPORT HIS FAMILY IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED. He has no time to blog. He's a real man, with a REAL job.

They can't, it's weird, it's a compulsion like a sickness. Oh that's scary.

LOL, did you hear that, Chris? Clearly you are a unicorn. :O

Does this mean you have magical powers?!

You need to go somewhere and sit down b/c every time you bring up an example it's a bad one. As Bunny said I'm glad bw/wm are getting together on the same level that's what they should do. Black men and these low level non-bw they are dating and marrying is not a good look, they get talked about and maligned. The reason any man would marry a woman beneath him is to rule her and abuse her, not love, honor, and respect her. So it's great that educated bw (which there a ton of) are marrying other educated successful white men. You act as if all bw are nannies or Burger King workers. Haven't you seen the news bw are attending college at some of the highest rates ever. So if a wm is looking to date a bw, in likelihood he'll probably have to pick between some educated, successful women. I don't want the marriages between bw/wm to represented with rich white men and some dumb hoochie like it is between bm/ww, they should be embarrassed. I think since the first thing you said about yourself is that your 'attractive' that you're mad wm aren't falling at your feet but you must not have anything else to offer, so why would they. White men are smarter than that, sorry.

Of course I'm going to mention "attractive" first - as in the FIRST thing people will notice and simply because it a huge part of any attractive person's identity. No, I'm not bitter at all. As far as falling at my feet, I get a lot more attention from them than I'd care to...really. I'm just stating a very obvious fact. And I did state repeatedy in other posts -that there are a FEW exceptions. Please comprehend.

Really and no one is dating you, now that's odd. Please comprehend this, maybe it's YOU. I said that previously and now I'm convinced, it's YOU it's all YOU. You may be attractive, I'm attractive many women on here are attractive but once they talk to you, your attractiveness is not enough to keep a man interested. So I'm still thinking it's not them, they just see through YOU. You must be bitter you keep coming back trying to convince us all of something we all know not to be true but you keep trying. Yea you're bitter, you've been passed over.

Uh, Eugenia. Where did I EVER state I was single. I've been married 18 years.

Then why are worried about bw not being married to wm? What for? You got a husband, go to him. You're full of ish! It's one story then another, liars are the worse. Go somewhere and stab yourself in the knee. You've been found out.

Well, Eugenia - I'm out. This is one sick message board. Enjoy playing with these white trolls. I swear - they are LAUGHING at all of you. Have a great life. Bye.

Oh no, you'll be back. The compulsion to want to teach all of us a lesson won't let you stay away. We'll see you soon under whatever guise you have then. He/she whatever you are is the only thing that's sick b/c you're mad that bw are happy and finding happiness and you can't. SMDH.

White Women who date/marry bm actually get a raw deal because to the status quo, she loses value for having children or at any rate sleeping with a black man. That's not even saying anything negative about bm but showing reality. Many wm refuse to get involved with a ww that's been with a black man.

Lormarie - so they view WW having been involved with BM as damaged goods. What does that say abut the character of white men? What does that tell you about how they REALLY view BW?

Like a cat playing with a mouse before he kills it. Let's see how wacky you can get "Liza." Get it all out.

She/he is getting ready to go straight bonkers b/c they now they got something to prove.

Uh, Christelyn - don't you have a house full of kids to take care of - the only way to hold on to that white husband of yours. Whew!! I have just one brilliant child and I'm thrilled - never felt the need to weight myself down like that...or to trap a husband. Bye.

Told ya! And if you're their mom, I doubt your child is brillant b/c you're a fool. Poor kid.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA! Ever heard of SCHOOL? PRESCHOOL? Go on, let your crazy come out. We wanna see. I've got popcorn and stuff.

Boy that was fun! It's been awhile since we've had a troll on here and got to stick it to some stupid-ness. And that was particularly entertaining.

I really don't care how anyone feels about black men since it isn't my problem. As for how they view bw, it depends. Speaking as a bw who has dated and been friends with wm, I'd bet that a good number of them feel that a bw with a white or other nonblack man is like revenge on bm for being with nonblack women. Some feel that way even if they personally would not enter into a relationship with a black woman. So you and your disgruntled dbr crew and the mammy followers betta recognize.

Okay, I'm confused. According to this logic, WW are succubi who then change into incubi and thus WM and so then BW are affected somehow.

O_o

I don't follow.

They are usually getting the better part of the deal.

BW that is.

To me a good example would be Kim K, her husband's father is a bm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b015qms8/Mixed_Britannia_19101939/

Mixed Britannia

The previously untold history of Britain's mixed-race community and the many love stories that created it.

In the first of this three-part series, George Alagiah tells the story of romance in the First World War between female workers and foreign seamen, the street riots it led to, and how Britain just escaped laws preventing mixed marriage and the excesses of race science.

Off to look! Thanks for digging these up.

Ok saw both of the episodes that's out. Only white women and black men. White women and that. White women and this. Man those white women are foolish. Seriously how stupid can they be? Apparently tons of them got pregnant by American black GI and expected them to stick around and take care of them.

Oh right and right. They showed a couple BW/WM couple in the background. They could not find one couple too interview?! not one?! I've seen plenty of older couples with a black woman in old interviews from other sources but apparently they are not as important as white women getting black men.

i have just been watching that, great programme