Ever Wonder Who the Inspiration Was for Mick Jagger’s “Brown Sugar?”

Ever Wonder Who the Inspiration Was for Mick Jagger’s “Brown Sugar?”

He was head of heels for this chocolate lady…

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We all know the chorus, Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good? Most of us knew Mick Jagger was talking about a black woman. And his muse was none other than singer, Marsha Hunt.

Their love grew in 1969–not exactly fertile ground for swirlers to thrive.  So he wrote her secret love letters. Then Brown Sugar hit the airwaves in 1971 and was a smash hit. Oh to be a fly on the wall who can read, so I could get a chance of what those love letters contained during the Sotheby’s auction for them on December 12 in London.

From The Telegraph:

Gabriel Heaton, Sotheby’s books specialist, said: “These beautifully-written and lyrical letters from the heart of the cultural and social revolution of 1969 frame a vivid moment in cultural history.

“Here we see Mick Jagger not as the global superstar he has become, but as a poetic and self-aware 25-year-old with wide-ranging intellectual and artistic interests.”

Written from a film set in the Australian Outback just after the Rolling Stones’ landmark Hyde Park concert, the documents provide an insight into the cultural events of the time, including the first moon landing.
Dr Heaton added: “They provide a rare glimpse of Jagger that is very different from his public persona: passionate but self-contained, lyrical but with a strong sense of irony.”

Hunt is the mother of Mick Jagger’s first child, whom reports say he treated shabbily until recently, when the Rolling Stone singer is seen staying by his daughter on her wedding day.

So why is Mick Jagger’s former object of affection selling the letters now?

She needs the money for house repairs in her home in France.

Curious about the Brown Sugar lyrics?

Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
Sold in a market down in New Orleans
Scarred old slaver knows he’s doing alright
Hear him with the women just around midnight

Brown sugar
How come you taste so good?
Brown sugar
Just like a young girl should

Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot
Lady of the house wonderin’ where it’s gonna stop
House boy knows that he’s doing alright
You shoulda heard him just around midnight

Brown sugar
How come you taste so good, now?
Brown sugar
Just like a young girl should, now

Get along, brown sugar
How come you taste so good, baby?
Got me feelin’ now, brown sugar
Just like a black girl should

I bet your mama was a tent show queen
Had all the boyfriends at sweet sixteen
I’m no schoolboy but I know what I like
You shoulda heard me just around midnight

Brown sugar
How come you taste so good, baby?
Brown sugar
Just like a young girl should, yeah

I said, “Yeah, yeah, yeah
How come you, how come you taste so good?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Just like a, just like a black girl should
Yeah, yeah, yeah”

 

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Seenyc 786 pts

I really don't like much from the Stones that didn't come from  the album Tatoo You. I'm not that big a fan.The song Brown Sugar is not something I would have wanted to be the inspiration for! 

 

His daughter  looks like him! I only found out about him having a daughter with Marsha Hunt when yahoo did a story on him and all his children a couple of months back. I read about how he denied being her father for a long time. She and Jade, Mick's daughter with Bianca, are said to be very close. Jade was a brides's made at her wedding and vice versa. I was glad to hear how close they were as sister's. I worked with his other daughter Lizzy(Elizabeth) when she was modeling about ten, twelve years ago, little brat!  I saw him at his girlfriend L'wren  Scotts fashion show last year. He was shorter than I expected. I'm either jaded because I've been in fashion for a long time or it's a reflection of just how unexcited some celebrities make me. LOL!

Renaissanceman 31 pts

This may be off topic, but maybe not Ladies and Gents, and music fans  : )

  -The Who!

 It's rock related, from the Stones era, and last night, November 14th 2012,  I saw The Who performing their 1973 Quadrophenia album, at the new Barclay's  Center in Brooklyn NY, Atlantic Avenue. Aside from the amazing show (and still extremely loud and majestic) that this  legendary British band delivers, I was pleasantly surprised to see, that there were some IR couples in the audience; not just BW and WM, but an Asian and Hispanic couple in the seats in front of us, because this particular neighborhood is changing, and on the cusp. 

Secondly, the new Barclay Center brings these great acts into town along with the Nets, thereby creating jobs, in a neighborhood that borders a depressed inner city area, to a gentrified and  "bourgeois  bohemian" area. This in turn will bridge neighborhoods, which already have been healing in the last 10 or 20 years.

Please tell me that I am not an idealist  : )  ...?

 

 

diamondgal 431 pts

Never heard of this song, but - ewwwww.  This is creepy.  That's exactly how I DON'T to be portrayed.

AminahMatthews 542 pts

Marsha was GORGEOUS and still look good. They have a lovely daughter. But I too am not a fan of the rolling stones. I like some or a couple of Bowie's music better then the stones. And this is not because of the song "brown sugar."

Renaissanceman 31 pts

Agreed with aforementioned comment/s, that the melody itself along with the catchy "Open G chord" guitar riff makes it a classic rock song. The lyrics, I never thought about too much until 2005, when my AA GF and I went to see them. She actually mentioned at the end, that they didn't play Brown Sugar, but then it came in the encore.

Maxine 1005 pts

Marsha wasn't the only brown sugar Mick was into.  P.P. Arnold, the first person to release The First Cut Is the Deepest, was also involved with him.  She said England was a totally different world for a black woman, and the relationships (friendships, romance, help in the music industry) she had would not have happened in America at that time.  Just above the picture of her with the Stones, she talks about Mick juggling her, singer Marianne Faithfull, and model Chrissie Shrimpton! http://www.rogerwaters.org/interviews-new/pparnoldint.html

AminahMatthews 542 pts

 Maxine WoW!  So marsha wasnt the first sista Mick was dating. AWESOME.

 
Jamila 7285 pts moderator

From an article on the Petraeus affair:

 

"Regardless, privacy aside, there’s one thing I find to be an absolute certainty: If you communicated evidence of your lovemaking by e-mail or text message—like Petraeus apparently did—my research shows that you will likely be found out. All cheating affairs I encountered were discovered because of a digital paper trail. Remember, people: Don’t put it in writing."

 

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-12/how-often-do-people-have-sex-at-the-office#r=nav-r-story

 

Basically, you can only write love letters to your spouse if you want to avoid ever getting caught up in some drama. 

SirLoinDeBeef 2527 pts

 Jamila A story I once heard while out in San Diego, CA, was that a local fee-for-teaching group put together a course on How To Have An Affair - the woman teaching the course, on the first day, asked the audience her first question:  "How many of you here paid for this course with your credit card?" - about 3/4's of the audience raised thair hands - then she said, "NUH-UHA!"

Brenda55 19648 pts moderator

Jamila

If your are going to put that stuff in an e-mail at least use this:

http://www.hushmail.com/

 

It encrypts the message.

 

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

 astringofpearls Truth. Musically Bowie is in another universe.

Maxine 1005 pts

 KingsDaughter  astringofpearls Them's fightin' words! :)  I'm a huge fan of both.

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

 Maxine  astringofpearls LOL, yes I said it. But anyway imo the Stones were just the rougher conterparts of the Beatles. A bit more interesting but not by much.

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

Hmm....I also find it rather uncomplimentary, insofar as it draws significantly upon ancient racist themes dating back to slavery about black women and their sexuality. If anything, his shabby treatment of Ms. Hunt and the daughter he had by her is reminscent of that. Granted, he treated the wives who mothered his children in some sort of shabby fashion (Bianca and Jerry Hall), he married each of them. All his children by them were recognized as being children of the marriages, while Ms. Hunt had to fight to get recognition for her child.

Bellatrix79 443 pts

 pioneervalleywoman Preach.  I'm not going gaga over this "revelation".

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

"Oh to be a fly on the wall who can read, so I could get a chance of what those love letters contained during the Sotheby’s auction for them on December 12 in London." 

 

That's not cool--what Hunt is doing. 

 

I was once involved with this guy who I wrote very intimate emails to. Like, the kind of stuff that I would never in a million years say out loud or put in print to anyone else, but I (thought) I really liked this guy and that he liked me back so, yeah, I went there. Anyways, we eventually stopped talking to each other (surprise!) and I asked him to erase my emails. My friends told me how petty it was of me to ask him to do such a thing, but I didn't care how petty it looked or how petty he thought I was--all I could think about was getting rich and famous one day and then he would pop up out of nowhere to sell my emails so that he could pay his kids college tuition or something. He said that he would delete them. Man I really hope he told me the truth. 

 

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 Jamila 

After the way he treated her and their daughter, I think that she is justified.

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 Brice Cameron Hunt had her part to play in that too. She refused to ask for child support through the courts for years and didn't enforce his paternity rights. She eventually got too broke and took him to court for CS. She was being controlling, thus both of them had their part to play.

Maxine 1005 pts

 Jamila  Brice Cameron Do we know that Mick Jagger was against auctioning the letters?  The last interview I read with her, she made it sound as if they're still in touch and actually on a friendly basis. Then again you'd think if they were that friendly he'd chip in for her bills. She is a cancer survivor (nearly bald now) so maybe medical bills were her undoing.  It's possible she'll choose letters that aren't so jujicy. Anyway he's worth $100 million and she got her electricity cut off.  I say sell baby sell. 

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 Maxine  Brice Cameron "Do we know that Mick Jagger was against auctioning the letters? "

 

I can't imagine any circumstances under which a person would approve of private love letters being auctioned off. 

 

I think that it is much more likely that she asked him for the money and he said no, so she's selling the letters. It's pretty messed up that he would claim to be on good terms with her but would let her lights get cut off. Yeah, I know their relationship was years ago, and he doesn't owe her anything, but still, letting your child's mother go broke paying medical bills and getting her lights cut off without helping at all seems a little shabby of Mick.

DWB 7641 pts

 Jamila  Maxine  Brice Cameron He's got more than enough money to help his kid, no matter how south their relationship may have went (I don't know all of the details of course, but still...)

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

 Jamila 

When I was 14, my oldest sister told me "never put anything in writing; always say that love s[tuff] in person, just the two of you, so that there are no witnesses".

 

Of course, ten years later, she told me "Never let a woman know where you work or how much money you make". I think it's a cultural difference. Of all of us four siblings, she's the hard-nosed one. 

 

However, I still never put anything in text, especially digital text like emails. 

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

 Law Wanxi  Jamila It's too easy to forward  them to hundreds of people or post on the net.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

I want to like the song, but I don't like the lyrics.  I guess he is trying to be complimentary, but he fails miserably.

 

Off topic.  Did anyone see The Simpsons last night?  It was about Abe(grandpa) Simpson's old swirl relationship.

 

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

 Brice Cameron  What colour was the love interest since the Simpsons are yellow?

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

@KingsDaughter @Brice Cameron Ha!

Moon Child 62 pts

These lyrics are racist as hell! I don't find them a compliment. He's glorifying slavery rape of black women and how white oppressors were obsessed over black women!? I never have liked the stones very much but this is just wrong!!! So, he treated she and her daughter with indifference over the years?! Hmm, didn't sound like he loved her, just that he was satisfying some sexual curiosity like the white slave masters did over black women.

 

Not attractive and highly offensive. He could have done better than that. Ugh.

 

She's beautiful though and so is there daughter.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Moon Child Exactly, that's exactly what it seems like he is glorifying in the song. White massa brazenly going to a black female slave in the middle of the night and raping her.  As soon as I read the lyrics, I thought about all of the movies that I have watched in which a scene like that has occured.

 
zipporah 1730 pts

 introvertedwanderer  Moon Child We get 'BROWN SUGAR' they get 'BLUE VELVET'..Bobby Vinton wasn't the first artist that performed it in 1963, a doowop singing group did it in the early 50's who were black--i wish someone would write a song about BW/WM love today that is deep and romantic

DWB 7641 pts

 zipporah  introvertedwanderer  Moon Child The picking are slim, indeed ... can only think of three that come close:

 

My favorite (The most beautiful but it's sad as it's a tale of suicide and lost love.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PYKmvx-Lms

 

More sensual than sexual, inspired by a beautiful black woman walk down a French beach

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKo0-22vjv8

 

Lyrics were changed, but still:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqXSBe-qMGo

 

 

 

 

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

@DWB @zipporah @introvertedwanderer @Moon Child That John Hiatt song is beautiful. Never heard of him before.

NewMaya3 357 pts

 Moon Child

 Not flattered either and dont like the song...however, I do like the Rolling Stones.

zipporah 1730 pts

 NewMaya3  Moon Child I wasn't much into the stones, because they were one of the groups in the late 60s who went too far sexually and others followed (sexuality without the romantic part was one of the things that led to c/rap later)--i'm just biased i guess

AminahMatthews 542 pts

 Moon Child You took the words right out of my mouth. I just don't see why this didn't steer up any controversy.....and it was a hit in the USA?!

 
DWB 7641 pts

Funny, I've heard that song a million times but never knew the lyrics. IIRC, Houseboy is a  British slang term for a black house servant ... my interpretation of the song is that its the view of "over-sexed" black folk from a bored British white kid.

 

Sounds like he was more interested in bedding a black woman than loving one.

sMoriarty 505 pts

 DWB 

"Sounds like he was more interested in bedding a black woman than loving one."

 

I think he felt that way about all women, not just black women. Mick was notorious for wanting to bed anything that would stay still long enough. I don't think he's ever fully settled down. He's been divorced like, 30 times. 

NewMaya3 357 pts

 sMoriarty  DWB

 Yeah but he married the white and even latin women.  Interesting that even a European man did not marry her.  She is absolutely gorgeous.

zipporah 1730 pts

 sMoriarty  DWB At least you are honest: if we women don't like what is happening to how we are portrayed (c/rap-c/rock), we have to get serious on who performs certain music or movies--no matter how 'fine' they are or in what 'shade' they are.This song came out when I was in junior high school..they played it 3 times an hour in the old 'top 40 era' (they played other music as well of different kinds)some was romantic, as well

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 DWB I had never paid much attention to the lyrics either. All I could ever recall was "Brown sugar...yeah yeah yeah....brown sugar". But with the lyrics laid out like that it's pretty easy to tell he wasn't discussing a sweet romantic relationship. 

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

If those love letters were so beautifully written and so lyrical, why didn't he write a song using one of those? Never been a big Stones fan. I'm more a Fab Four girl.

zipporah 1730 pts

 grrlysquirrel75 I am too BEFORE 1967==LOL . They even did the songs Besame Mucho, and Till There was You from The Music Man--old standards

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

I have to admit that the words of that song are not romantic to me.  The whole idea of White masters raping Black female slaves is not cute in my opinion.  I always flip the station when it comes on.

Toni_M 18952 pts moderator

Yep, I was aware of this

 

Hated the song, but she's a pretty lady.

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

LOL Oh dear. Awful, awful lyrics, but then I was never a huge fan of the Stones though my parents were. Black seriously don't crack people, she looks fabulous.

The Working Home Keeper 6638 pts

 KingsDaughter Indeed!  Ms. Hunt looks gorgeous!  And their daughter is beautiful as well.

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

Wow, I didn't know Sir Mick was still alive! My mother had a teen girl crush on him back before I was born.

 

I have to admit he looks a lot better than Sir Paul McCartney, who looks like an elderly lesbian.

 

Mick should have married Marsha; she looks pretty good in that picture. 

 

["Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste." Well, I am!]