Is Your Career Leading You to a Man Mecca or a Mirage?

Is Your Career Leading You to a Man Mecca or a Mirage?

Every so often one of the ladies here says they are not meeting non-black men who are interested in dating them. Now those ladies have a hint as to why that may be so: you work for the Department of Health and Human Services while many of the men you should be dating are working at Deloitte and Touche.

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Black women are not working where the eligible men are also working. The result: black women have fewer opportunities for ‘dating, mating, and relating’ (hat tip to Chris for the phrase) men who are interested in the same. The result of the result? Black women have lower rates of marriage, in part because of our career choices.

From Opting Out by Maya A. Beasley:

Bowen and Bok’s seminal work on the life experiences and life outcomes of college adults at elite universities (1998) shows that African American and white students occupy career sectors in very different proportions. For example, while 76 percent of the white male graduates they tracked were working in the private sector, only 67 percent of black men and 48 percent of black men did so. Instead, African American graduates were disproportionately working in government or non-profit sectors–34 percent of black men and 52 percent of black women relative to 24 percent white men and 39 percent of white women.

Every so often one of the ladies here says they are not meeting non-black men who are interested in dating them. Now those ladies have a hint as to why that may be so: you work for the Department of Health and Human Services while many of the men you should be dating are working at Deloitte and Touche.

If you’re trying to catch fish, go where the fish are jumping. If your trying to catch a man, go where the men are working.

 

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candielady357 95 pts

This just one way to meeting eligible men. You have to travel, expand your interests, take up new hobbies, read everything, go to different restaurants, expand your social circle, hang out at museums, go to different movies,(like independent films), take a class in something, whatever. Develop a sense of wonder. Meeting non-black men (excuse me, but I find the term, 'rain beau' a tad strange) will take a bit more work, but it will be worth it.
Let me also point out that some of us are working for ourselves at home, so the opportunity to meet anyone is not there unless I go outside. I've met guys everywhere so I would say to the ladies out there that perhaps your career and where you work is fine, and that branching out a little better in other aspects in your life might be in order.

Bunny77 2054 pts

Hi candielady357... you bring up a good point about working at home. My last job had a lot of home based work (and travel as well). While this seems like a great thing, it actually put me out of circulation and I had to do more to meet men (of any race) because I didn't have a natural group of co-workers who might be attending parties, events, etc., where I could meet more men. And sometimes, yes, it is good to meet someone at the office. My home office had quite a few marriages result from people who met there... but of course, I was out of that loop. candielady357

AJ2011 2310 pts

candielady357 "This just one way to meeting eligible men. You have to travel, expand your interests, take up new hobbies, read everything, go to different restaurants, expand your social circle, hang out at museums, go to different movies,(like independent films), take a class in something, whatever. Develop a sense of wonder. Meeting non-black men (excuse me, but I find the term, 'rain beau' a tad strange) will take a bit more work, but it will be worth it."

I can't cosign this. Black women aren't socially retarded, at least not to the point where having a civil exchange with a man, who isn't black, requires a membership at the MET. In a way you've stereotyped black women as ignorant and isolated. If I've misread than please correct, but I don't think I have.

LovingMyself 295 pts

You're spot on with this article. I've noticed this. It's funny because I actually live by a Deloitte office. Come lunch hour the streets and restaurants are flooded with men in suits. It is very much male-dominated with a sprinkle of women. Not work that interests me, but for those interested, it's a viable option.

ValleyOfTheSun 42 pts

For the foreseeable future, STEM fields are a great place to be. From experience, you will never be starved for male company or employment opportunities with a degree in computer science.

AkiAnpan 18 pts

Soooo, a sociology major is a no go? :3

AJ2011 2310 pts

AkiAnpan Depends on what you plan to do with it. You could easily turn that knowledge into your own research firm. India, China, Brazil, Kenya, and South Africa have growing middle classes and how they see themselves in their respective societies translate into consumer dollars. I'd say add a language to your credentials. I'm learning Portuguese. Brazil would be nice but I'll take Cape Verde and even Angola because I could teach at their universities too.

AkiAnpan 18 pts

AJ2011 Thanks for the response! I actually meant to write more in my initial comment ,but, I messed up by posting while registering. I know I have options, even more so than just soc. research and what not. I am learning a few languages too! (Spanish and Japanese) I just worry that I'll end up with some kind of social service job that black women tend to fall into.

I'm a lurker, btw. Hello you guys~! I'm 22, a junior in college, and this spring semester is my first time actually being away from home (I transferred from a community college/staying at home & commuting). I've also never dated. No, I am not trolling. よろしく。

kimvannie 11 pts

AkiAnpan check out the JET Programme, you can be an assistant teacher of English here in Japan

AJ2011 2310 pts

AkiAnpan Hell Japan it is!! No seriously you're ahead of the game. Just keep thinking big.

Tiffany315 242 pts

AJ2011AkiAnpan Hey, AJ2011, I'm learning Portuguese as well. I made it to intermediate level after using LiveMocha and Mango Languages. I'm currently looking for websites and books that cover intermediate and advanced-level vocabulary and speech.

AJ2011 2310 pts

Tiffany315 I almost went the Rosetta Stone route but I wanted this one school on my transcript (and later resume) so I go to 2 schools right now. I just started last week. Thanks for the info, I need all the help I can get.

R. Kamaria 854 pts

Interesting take. I work at an urban university and 60% of the employees are white. There probably are only 20% Black and 20% Other (Mostly Asian and about 40 Latinos). My friends swore there would be lots of eligible men there. Ummmm... NOT. Most are married or gay (no, I'm not exaggerating). Additionally, the other eligible dudes are over 45. I have yet to meet younger, mature, mildly attractive men that are not students. Perhaps the fact that the last two companies I worked for happen to be in private and public education may be contributing to there not being many single dudes around. But alas, I have to accept that I live in a crappy state for dating. Once I get over the fact that I probably won't find a suitable mate in Michigan, I may be able to find someone.

AJ2011 2310 pts

Jamila, Jamila, Jamila. You are just AWESOME!

When I was in the military I worked in male-dominated rate. There were few blacks, let alone women, in my rate-Karla'll confirm this (Hi Karla!). After the military I stayed in the skilled trades for another 4 years. The men I dated in this period were my colleagues; highly skilled techs and engineers. I took the sales route after that and while the work was fun and the money was good, I didn't experience the same professional satisfaction and my dating dynamics changed. Sales was the professional destination for blacks and women in my company-I went from Senior Systems Technician to Sales Rep in the same company. The money was better by the Quarter but long term, I would have made more if I stayed in Operations and that's before a promotion. I'm in school to be a City Planner, you can guess the student profile for the major.....:)

Jamila 7259 pts

AJ2011 "I'm in school to be a City Planner, you can guess the student profile for the major.....:)"

Yep, I know! I'm interested in this field myself and I was speaking on this board with another woman who said she was finishing up her masters in this field.

Sales and Operations are great sectors to be also.

No offense to anyone here: customer service and human resources divisons are known for being dead-ends career wise if you are seeking to advance up the ladder. Middle and upper management employees almost always come from sales, operations, or management in some other division of the company.

AJ2011 2310 pts

Jamila Is she still around? I'd love to pick her brain.

Jamila 7259 pts

AJ2011 I hope so, but unfortunately I can't remember her screen name. She was in a graduate program.

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AJ2011 2310 pts

PearlRosie S My oldest god daughter's Quinceanera was beautiful (and expensive). She looked like a little bride. Her sister's isn't for another 7 years. I should make a full recovery by then. Most of my personal exposure to diversity was through my church and then the military. I did enjoy my "black" past times and having black friends to do them with. Double-Dutch, hand games, freeze-tag. There was no internet back then.

LovingMyself 295 pts

PearlRosie SAJ2011 Another non-double-dutcher here. I was regulated to turning the rope, but couldn't do that either because I was "double-handed." Still have no clue what that means, lol.

LovingMyself 295 pts

PearlRosie SAJ2011 Lol, I just stood there too. Except I was wishing dodgeball was a professional sport.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

Completely agree. I am a CPA; I have worked at a major accounting firm and currently work at a bank owned by a large financial institution. I also had a variety of financially focused internships while in college. Between co-workers, consultants, vendors, etc I cross paths with educated eligible rainbeaus every day.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

Being a journalist with an interest in new media, the majority of the opportunities I have or will have are dominated by white/rainbow men. Some white dude is establishing a start up company everyday here in New York. There are plenty of opportunities. At my last few jobs/internships I worked with a lot of non-black men. None of them really peaked my fancy, but it was nice to be in the environment, you know. To get to know how to act around these men and relate to these men. I'm no longer single, and I didn't meet my boyfriend at work. But who knows, maybe I can set one of my friends up. ^.^

ElfeV 7093 pts

VintageNarcissa "...I'm no longer single, and I didn't meet my boyfriend at work. But who knows, maybe I can set one of my friends up. ^.^"

yes, i think we all need to have matchmmaking as a hobby! :D lolz. my husband thinks i'm weird but i'm determined to make at least one match before i croak. haha

Luna Noire 415 pts

ForestElfQueen said: "yes, i think we all need to have matchmmaking as a hobby!" I think that's exactly right. We all need to help a sista out if we can in that regard, lord knows that there are a lot of BW that deserve some happiness in their relationships. Now if only we can make sure it's a good match and they actually get the happiness part of the deal...

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

ForestElfQueen So serious! My boyfriend and I have been trying to set up various friends since we got together! And not just my black female friends either. It's so, well not funny but just interesting that there is so much focus on black women being single. Stats be damned, I know a ton of white, hispanic, Asian girls who are single and complaining that they are single. I can honestly say that right now I am the only one of my friends who's in a relationship right now. When they were in relationships, I wasn't and they were most likely the only one in a relationship. It doesn't matter what your race or what you do to try and get one, it's really tough to not just find a relationship but a good one. The way I met my boyfriend was definitely one of those exceptions to the rule, so I can say that it does happen. But I want to see all of my friends in happy relationships and if I could take credit for it, I'd never let them forget it, lololol.

blackpanthershay 7255 pts

ForestElfQueenVintageNarcissa I love matchmaking...how do we make it happen?

Luna Noire 415 pts

Sorry for not linking those two better, but hopefully everyone can connect those two comments in the right sequence.

I always get that "You have the exceeded the limit" message if I try to post anything over, say, 10 sentences long.

Luna Noire 415 pts

The sequence makes far more sense if you click on the "sort" option at the top of the comments to see the oldest comments first, and then the rest in descending order.

Again, apologies to everyone that my two-part comment is so all over the place, and so disjointed.

Luna Noire 415 pts

CONTINUED:

So dating out is her goal, and that is definitely not happening where she works or where she lives. But she is definitely not going to get a different job or move to a different part of the country, either. Of course, the immediate response is "She should try online dating", but that isn't working, either - the closest guy (geographically) that she's had an interest in that was also interested in her was in Dallas, and I thought he was kind of sketchy anyway, But it didn't matter, because he said that distance wasn't going to work for him anyway.

Now I know you don't have the answer to this, and neither do I, but what is a woman like that supposed to do? The chances are very poor she is going to bump into Mr. Right at work or shopping at the grocery. There are almost no white guys where she works or lives that are interested in dating a beautiful, educated (M.S. degree) black women in her 30's. Online dating has been a huge bust. Meanwhile the clock is ticking. So is her biological clock.

Other than, "Be patient, keep looking everywhere and keep flirting", there's nothing else I can tell her. How many thousands of black women are in the same unenviable position as her? I feel for her, I really do.

Mel_woman 113 pts

Luna Noire I'm not an advocate of the the move to another state/country, change careers, go online, or meet him randomly at Whole Foods/Farmer's market to date IR. Though it works for some, it's not realistic for many bw to depend mainly on these strategies. What about social events? Does your cousin have any hobbies/interests that could help her to meet men directly ? Has she tried meetup.com to search for events?

Luna Noire 415 pts

Mel_woman - I have to hand it to her; she's tried all of that and more. She takes online courses (with online study groups!) for another Masters Degree, she still does online dating, she goes on cruises, etc. She visited me here in the MVA area this past summer, and got asked out on three dates in two weeks. One of those guys still asks about her, he's a real good guy, but he's not going to drive all the way down to SC for another date, know what I mean?

Now she's going to come visit me this summer (2012) for a whole month. Maybe that will be enough time to start a serious relationship, IDK. Hey, it's happened before.

Luna Noire 415 pts

Correction, not MVA area; DMV area (large metro area around DC, which includes parts of MD and VA).

Mel_woman 113 pts

Luna Noire Where did your cousin go in the area to get those dates when she visited you? (I'm in the DMV area as well).

Luna Noire 415 pts

She went with me to all of the places I go around Silver Spring and Takoma Park and DC - friend's houses for drinks and dinner, AFI Theatre, Kennedy Center, farmer's market, the Safeway, etc. Regular stuff, but I was the wingwoman, LOL. Oh yeah, and we went to a jazz club in Annapolis where one of the date requests happened. The other two happened when friends of friends met her at the drinks/dinner thing at somebody's house.

She's my cuz, so I tamped down my inate tendency to keep to myself and tried to give her some exposure. Itwas hard, though. It's hard being that social!

Bunny77 2054 pts

Luna, you bring up a GREAT question and, as you said, it's one that thousands of BW are facing everyday. And I absolutely deplore how many people seem to pooh-pooh the idea of a woman's biological clock and her desire to have children (if she has that desire)... the common answer to this seems to be to ignore the fertility issue and just say, "Most black women eventually marry." Yeah, whatever...

I would give a different piece of advice in addition to yours... I guess my question would be, how badly does she really want this? I know she has a great job and doesn't want to move very far, but again, how badly does she want this? Careers and places of living can become golden handcuffs, so to speak. It's such a Catch-22 for women in their 30s -- they usually have built up a nice life and career for themselves by this point, but it's that same life and career that might be keeping them tethered to singleness as well. I know that was the case for me. And I read a lot of articles by mostly white women in their late 30s/early 40s who are very regretful that they missed out on their chance for children with a husband because they never married. Most of these white women are journalists who live in New York City -- but never once did I get the impression that leaving New York City for a more fertile place for marriage (Midwest/South) crossed their minds. Not saying it would have worked, but were they willing to compromise their current lifestyles for marriage and family? Do they regret perhaps not doing so earlier on?I am not saying that your cousin has to pack up and move now, but say she meets a nice guy who's somewhat long distance (can she date in North Carolina or Georgia?). Say it goes somewhere and he has the better job and he'd like her to move (after marriage, of course). Would she do it? Is she thinking in that realm already?

Luna Noire

Bunny77 2054 pts

I'm speaking from my own experience, as I dated my husband long-distance (a four-hour drive) and we lived in different states. When we had discussions about marriage, we ultimately came to the agreement that I would move, simply because he had the more stable career (and higher salary). So now I live in his state. I haven't regretted the move for one minute... however, there were a lot of women (never men) who were just shocked that I, this professional career woman with a seemingly great job, just gave it all up for a man! Maybe they were even more shocked because BW aren't supposed to do that... well, you know, since we've gotta make sure we have our own and never depend on a man and all (sarcasm). Some white women gave me shade too and said they would have neeeever done all that for a man (never mind that these were divorced WW with children saying this... so they had already been there, done that). The thing is, even before I met my husband, I knew I was ready to make that move, if possible, because I did feel the clutches of the golden handcuffs. Yes, I had a great life, house and career, but those things were keeping me stuck... and since nothing was changing in my relational life, then why should I keep holding on to those things if they ultimately were holding me back from love?

Whatever your cousin decides, she has to figure out how badly she really wants marriage and family and what she's willing to do for it... yes, it sucks she can't just find a man right there in SC and settle down with him, but it is what it is, and she has to work with the cards she's dealt right now. So how is she going to play them? I'd have different advice if she was a bit younger, but if she's in her 30s (late or early?), she's gotta start pulling some triggers NOW.

Luna Noire

Bunny77 2054 pts

Yes! I started applying for jobs after I got engaged, and got the second one I applied for. I transitioned from being a newspaper reporter to working in PR for a university. Rosie S Luna Noire

Bunny77 2054 pts

Meant to add... the crazy thing is, I make about the same amount of $ with better hours and benefits in the new job, so go figure... the only thing I miss is some of the travel I had with the old job. Rosie S Luna Noire

Bunny77 2054 pts

Exactamundo! That's the amazing part for me... here I was in my dream career, and it started to feel like a curse. I've met other women and men (including married men) who said they admired what I did.Oh, and the university where I work has a day care/preschool/kindergarten on campus too. How's THAT for a great family-oriented job! But just think, what would have happened if I had decided I could only consider men in my general geographical radius... maybe it would have worked out, but since it hadn't in 10 years, my hopes weren't high that something would automatically change! Rosie S Luna Noire

Alana 2 387 pts

Bunny77Luna Noire There is a regional Catch-22 for women in their 30s as well. I moved in my 30s from the DMV to a city in the Midwest that is not Chicago. I don't know if it's because I am over 30, black, or whatever, but I had more dating opportunities in the DMV. The catch 22 for women in their 30s who do not want to marry a man with children is that many men their age in places like NYC don't want to settle down yet, and most men their age in the Midwest and South are married or divorced. Being from a more bustling city, it saddens me to think that women have to choose between living in a place like NYC or being married.

I enjoy the benefits that big cities have and I am used to their downsides. I feel like if I lived here the rest of my life, part of my soul would have to die, because it would be from a position of resignation, not acceptance. My dream is to change careers to urban planning, so it is difficult living here because although I want to be paired up one day, not in this environment. I have given up on dating for now because of depression and the fact that generally, women move for their man's job and not the reverse.

Luna Noire 415 pts

Alana 2 - I'd give you a hug and buy you a drink if I could; sorry that happened. I have absolutely no evidence or data to back this up, but just from talking to other women, it seems the degree of difficulty in dating is much higher for 30+ black women that are not already in a good area for BW/WM swirliing. You're good to go if you're here in the DMV, or in NYC, or in LA or SF, or Denver, etc. but if you're in the middle of Indiana or in Kansas or Tucumcari, NM or in Dothan, Alabama, you going to have very few prospects for IR dating when you're a young BW, and far less when you're an older BW.

My cousin is so smart and so beautiful and so funny and she's got rocks in terms of dating out. SIGH.

Luna Noire 415 pts

Bunny77 - She would definitely move if something serious occurred, and she would move anywhere. She's already said that many times.But, she's not going to move and quit her job just because things might be better somewhere else in terms of dating. Shes pretty adamant about that. As she says, "How do I know things will be better in terms of getting dates, and if they are,how do I know those dates will then lead to marriage? There are no guarantees, sometimes people date for three years and still break up and never get married."

I've got my fingers crossed she meets a guy where I live, and then moves here, because everyone wins then. She gets what she wants and I get her living near me, which would be great, because we get along really well.

Luna Noire 415 pts

Jamila, I agree with your statement, "Black women are not working where the eligible (and desired - my addition to the text) men are also working", and futhermore, as evidenced by all the comments we've seen on here by BW from locations that are not swirl-friendly, many black women are also not living where the eligble and desired men are living.

It's a frustrating situation when you're eager for a certain type of relationship and you are adrift in a sea of people that don't meet the basic criteria for the relationship you crave, and there is no land in sight. My cousin is a perfect example, she is a senior manager working for the state of South Carolina Weights and Measures unit, and it's a really good job with really good pay and benefits and she also loves where she lives. Unfortunately, she also wants to date and marry a white man. She's always sorta been interested in that, and has become a lot more interested after a couple of times staying with me and my significant other in MD. She would take a clone of him, that's for sure

BlackWomenDeserveBetter 1852 pts

It would behoove single women who are interested in a mate to explore male-dominated sectors...

My latest conversation: Red-Tail-Gate

Mel_woman 113 pts

A poster stated earlier in a different recent post (I think the one about leaving the country to find someone) that she has been working in a male dominated field for years and none of them have asked her out. A couple of posters told her that men usually don't like dating women they work with and that she should focus on meeting men outside of work. I also think dating people at work can get awkward, and how do you get pass the fear of sexual harassment? I work in the IT field, which is dominated by men, but many of them are to afraid to look in the direction of women, let alone talk to us. lol I'm in the my mid20s, and most of them are a lot older than me anyway.

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Mel_woman 113 pts

Rosie S Yea I was just thinking that it may not be wise to try to date someone who works with you or in your office, but it's better to attend conventions and seminars in your career field, if it's male dominated. But it still doesn't change the fact, that many of these IT guys are afraid to talk to women romantically in person. lol

Mel_woman 113 pts

Rosie S Yea, I know that many here have shy men approaching them and asking them out daily, but I was just sharing my experience with geeky men.

Mel_woman 113 pts

Rosie S Oh, I'm not ruling them out. Geeks are my type. :) It's just that, in my experience, waiting for a geek to ask me out is like waiting for a rocket to reach another galaxy. It might take light years. lol But I'm glad it works for you all.

Joyce345 1738 pts

Mel_woman

MY sister-in-law met my brother through her workmate who introduced her to his best friend. Even if you don't want to date your workmates, they are a great network that you can use to get a date. Use them!

The Working Home Keeper 6637 pts

My husband works for the State government, and his department is mostly female and mostly black. He's one of three white guys in the department. However, the private company I work for (and the industry at large) is mostly white men. But all the guys here are married except for one. I'm glad I got my dating, mating and relating wrapped up in college!