“It’s Cool If You Date White Men, But….”: Why is the GAT-DL Trying to Regulate Black Woman Who Date Interracially?

“It’s Cool If You Date White Men, But….”: Why is the GAT-DL Trying to Regulate Black Woman Who Date Interracially?

Pro-interracial websites has become the GAT-DL’s new favorite whipping toy. Various bloggers across the web cluck their tongues on how and which manner is acceptable for black women to swirl. Toni takes a serious look at what this new gaslighting tactic is all about.

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This is a bit different from my other response posts in that I’m not so much responding to an article as I am a sentiment: The idea that a black woman who is open to dating and marrying interracially is somehow negotiating anything with other people in order to be able to do so.

You see, some people are SO DETERMINED to manipulate, control, and dictate the boundaries of black women, that they will even try and come at you as if you made some sort of agreement when you decided to open yourself to IRR. They feel it’s their right to set up the ground rules regarding your interests, what subjects are now “off-limits” to you, and even try and rewrite what it is you’ve communicated, as if their approval gives them the right to do this. As if you are going to cooperate with some total stranger offering an unneeded blessing on your personal choices, so long as you abide by their rules.

These ground rules I speak of are usually expressed indirectly, but some times people can come directly with their foolishness:

- “It’s cool if you date white men*, but you don’t get to talk about the bad things that some black men do to black women, or warn other black women about them.”

- “It’s cool that you married a white man, but you don’t get to talk about black problems, because you marrying a white man means you agree to forfeit your ethnic and or racial identity.”

“It’s cool that you’re engaged to a white man, because you act white anyway, and you should understand no black man would ever want you anyway with all that whiteness.”

- “It’s cool that you’re into white men, but no white man could ever (insert inappropriate comment about your body and sex life) like a black man can. You’ll just be missing out.”

- “It’s cool that you’re dating white men, but understand that issues impacting black women are now no longer any of your business. So shut your mouth! (Bonus lulz if this comes from someone who isn’t a black woman)”

- “It’s cool that you’re marrying that white guy. I mean, we all know that there’s a man shortage and sistas get lonely. I understand you’re unhappy with being unable to find a good brotha. And so I wish you well as you are empty and miserable the rest of your no-black-man-having life!”

“It’s cool that you like white guys, but you should know that any white guy interested in you is just looking to live out his slave fantasies. It doesn’t matter if he or anyone in his family never owned slaves. Or even if he’s not American: As soon as he steps foot on US soil, the first thing he’s going to go shopping for is whips and chains. Just thought you should know!”

 

 

Yup, interracial relationship spaces geared towards black women often features somebody showing up to dictate “read between the lines” sentiments meant to silence and corner the women there and gaslight them regarding how they get to feel about different topics. It could be because such persons are hoping you’re too stupid to see how inappropriate and ultra-familiar their behaviors are towards you. It could be because some people resent black women who date and marry white men because they suspect they’ll be picking up a butt-load of privileges passed on from white manhood (You can’t have it all, you fence-sitting jezebel! *snatches black card*).

 

What I do know is that when anyone comes with the “It’s cool if you date ____, but-” nonsense, you’re entitled to shut them down immediately. Take a page out of Mr. Samuel L. Jackson’s book: Inform them that you don’t remember asking them a godd*** thing, and then eat their Hawaiian burger and drink all of their Sprite before walking away. Or quoting Ezekiel 25:17 (which, surprisingly, is rather relevant in this context) at them and making them pee their pants while slowly reaching into your purse….for your lip stick. ;D

 

 

*Depending on the contract you never actually signed, this is ALWAYS true for white men. However, depending on the ethnicity of the man if he’s not white, the retention of your ethnicity or race may be negotiable.

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jazzyfae45 15 pts

Here is one that I've heard quite a few times..."Its ok that you date white men but don't forget there are good black men out there too, so make sure you give them a chance." That one just cracks me up because I never hear black men tell other black men that date white women to make sure they keep themselves open to dating black women. But that mess doesn't fly with me, I like dating white and latino men and I don't have to give a "good brotha" a chance if I don't want to.

Kingdomofgrayskull 9 pts

Hilarious! Thus s too funny and true. I've only recently discovered this blog so I do sometimes wonder about the acronyms. Is there a list that shows what they all mean. Of course I know the more frequently used ones ( NBAB, DBR etc )...I have no idea what GSQT-DL is...can someone explain this acronym?

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Kingdomofgrayskull It's GAT-DL, and it stands for "Guardians of all things dark and lovely".

 

Also welcome. :)

Christelyn 8883 pts moderator

Forgot to add one more..."It's cool you date/marry white men because with your high forehead and gap teeth, no black man was checking for you anyway, Christelyn. You know you don't look good enough to marry a black man." <<Yes, that was a real comment from a real troll who said this about me. These guys really tell on themselves when that say stuff like this though, because they basically admit that BM don't want women with afro-centric features. But instead of celebrating that these "ugly" women are being taken off their hands, they lash out. If we're so ghastly, they why, pray tell, is it so important to you who we date and marry, as long as we're not expecting it of you?

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Christelyn  Screw him, teeth gaps are cute! I love mine. :D And you are right, that is one I forgot because it's very common for persons like this to say in so many words, "Well because you look like "Mother Africa", BM don't want you. You don't look Eurocentric~ enough." That is some twisted mess in and of itself.

 

It's also a bit of emotional abuse on the fly. You're supposed to take a hit to your self esteem because you don't have BM affirming your beauty, despite the fact that you have the originators of Eurocentric features affirming your beauty, that is...the people these backward persons count on to tell them what is beautiful.

 

 

Wanna bet if there was enough powerful influencial white men going on about your specific features these SAME CLOWNS would be trying to "holla" at you because you are "WM-approved". 

 

SMH.

 

HitchcockHeroine 19 pts

 Toni_M  Christelyn You know, women mostly resemble their fathers, while men sometimes resemble their mothers. If black men consider black women to be to African looking, they have their own Father Africa looks to blame!

MissFLondon 655 pts

 Toni_M  Christelyn

 Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like facial mole's but the ones on Cyndi Crawford's face and my mother's nose have always been celebrated.

 

Sad confession.

 

My late glamourous Grandmother had a gap, which were all the rage is Nigeria and still are for some. My cousin tried and failed 3 times to close hers. 

 

When I got my braces in the mid 90s' I begged my dentist for a gap. As braces are free for under 18s' in England, he took it as an amusing pet project. For a while, I got a faint hint of one on my bottom row. Sadly, it turns out that a gap is just as hard to get as it was for my poor cousin to try to close.

 

zipporah 1729 pts

forfeting your 'racial' idenity? LOL...thats funny. Oh yes--if you have his NAME and its an ethnic one,(italian or german etc) you DO to a point BUT i read somewhere that some WW are using this to their ADVANTAGE! THEY are using that 'your too white' meme. Asians could have a 'standard american accent' and its OK blacks are OREOS?--I knew a grl who moved to Richmond--and started to sound like dis--fo' sho' she be from richmond umm -my bad- etc. not Richmond VA but Richmond CA--(north of berkeley CA) I told her mom not to worry about it though, since she isnt into boys, doesnt have a boyfriend and has a 3.7 GPA--it just may be a phase

zipporah 1729 pts

what i mean to say, is WW are starting to think,--- sounding like you are from the old south, means you sound 'black'--yadda yadda yadda--

FriendsofJay 1847 pts

Toni, I love you. You have the knack of thinking through the nonsense and finding the truth that lies behind the shield of pretense. As I said in a recent post, it's long past time for single BW to tell the BC that they've had enough of looking for their Black Prince and now want to spend the rest of their life with a quality man regardless of skin color. Who can blame a girl for wanting a man of her own, a family and a fulfilling life. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't understand the world as it is. The problem is getting the message out to other BW who have been brainwashed to think that acting white is wrong. We will only be truly free when we see ourselves as all members of the same race. You and Christelyn are going to convince all BCs of that.

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 FriendsofJay I am quitely counting down the days until the "Swirling" movie releases. Amid all the butt-hurt fireworks (which is always entertaining), I imagine there will be some great dialogue. :D

ASwirlGirl 3044 pts

FDLOL @ quoting Ezekiel 25:17!!!!!

blackpanthershay 7225 pts

Nothing wrong with a whip or two....I mean.....

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 blackpanthershay LOOOOOOOL.

EarthJeff 3336 pts

 blackpanthershay "Nothing wrong with a whip or two....I mean....."

 

And what if it is for use ON the guy?

Brenda55 19608 pts moderator

 EarthJeff  blackpanthershay Jeff. Behave.

EarthJeff 3336 pts

 Brenda55  blackpanthershay I...... ah.... was JUST commenting.....  

EarthJeff 3336 pts

 Brenda55  blackpanthershay I bet everyone reads my next installment - already submitted to Chris - of Swirling on Planet Earth now, eh?

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Brenda55  EarthJeff  blackpanthershay I heard this in the Austin Powers voice. Nearly died.

blackpanthershay 7225 pts

lol ha ha ha Toni_M  Brenda55  EarthJeff 

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

I wish someone would try and tell me this to my face. Because all of this makes NO sense whatsoever. 

 

And I could honestly, honestly careless what's going on in the BC. I don't feel any kinship with BM. BW, YES, that is if they are on the same page as me. 

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

Do they regulate black men who date out? Are they not a part of the "community" anymore? 

 

I can careless about "those"" people. 

 

As long as I am a black woman. Those issues are my business. Alright. 

 

Black issues are my business, ALL of it is my business. AND I get to have the IR business too. HA

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Does the GAT-DL community also try to regulate Black men who date/marry out?  BWE Blogger Halima has pointed out in her "Who's Zooming Who" posts that there are tons of Black men race hustlers who marry White women.  They preach "Black power" but marry White.  Somehow Black men can separate what they say from who they fall in love with.  Black women need to do the same. 

zipporah 1729 pts

@Patricia Kayden yup--they BEEN doing that since the early 70s--LOL--preach 'black power' but marry non black women!

VictoriaAntoine 436 pts

I dont care about "Black Issue" I don't follow the rules!. I date the hell I want

EarthJeff 3336 pts

Thanks for this... love the post.

Brenda55 19608 pts moderator

I remember working a night shift with a nurse a couple of years after my marriage to Keith. We had just met and were working together for the first time.

During the course of the shift we introduced ourselves, talked about family and spouses and the like. One of the Aides working with us mentioned that my husband was a Scot. The look on this woman's face could burn a hole through steel.  She was not happy about my choice and preceded to take me off to the side to give me ....the lecture.

I knew it was coming but my jaw dropped nonetheless.

Not because of the nonsense she was saying but because of her appearance while saying the nonsence. Think Alicia Keys.  Now my Oprah looking self is getting an anti Swirl lecture from someone who got her looks from some sort of blend somewhere in her ancestry. 

She even took my hand and was rubbing the back of it saying stuff like "how could I not want this.  This is what I want"......................

 

...........................Well alrighty then  this was getting into a totally weird area  and I was not digging the additional gay vibes so I got as far away from that nut as possible. Much to my relief the job canned her a few weeks later.

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Brenda55 ........

 

I think what the nutjob was implying was was that you as a black woman don't love your own self and beauty if you don't run out and find a dark-skinned black man to unite with in "black love".

 

Because some of these folks are on this "black women who date and marry interracially suffer from self-hatred issues" kick.

 

Nevermind the POINTED AND INTENTIONAL EXCLUSION of dark-skinned women from the dating pools of many dark-skinned men who clearly do not want "black love" or "dark-skinned babies". And among color-struck black women, I'm willing to bet the stigma of darkness is aimed far more at having a dark-skinned daughter than a dark-skinned son. The dark-skinned son, even if he hates himself, will never be called on his vile attitude towards women his own skin shade and his self-congratulations for marrying a non-BW for reasons having nothing to do with love. 

 

A darker black woman can marry the man she loves, a man who loves her dark skin and everything that she is, and doesn't make her feel like crap by refusing to be seen with her in public, or reiterating for the millionth time, "You're pretty for a dark skinned girl", and SHE'S the crazy one.

 

 

Skin-tone is irrelevant when it comes to indoctrination. Odds are, she's the product of a BM/WW union which is totally okay, because it's all about the black man anyway. 

 

When she rubbed your hand, she wasn't talking about YOUR skin, she was using you as a proxy for black men. Stop and think about how twisted that is: Black women don't even get to represent their own blackness. Black love has nothing to do with black women: It has everything to do with the egos and worship of black men.

 

Love is love, and people who actually have it know that the color or race doesn't matter. 

Brenda55 19608 pts moderator

 Toni_M I don't know Toni.  The whole scene was freaky. Like she had this dark skin fetish thing going.  I mean she was getting off on rubbing my hand and all.  I have no problem if you play for the other team, it's all good, just step to your team mates.  I was not rolling like that.

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Brenda55 :S

 

It does sound like a fetish.

AJ2011 2310 pts

 Brenda55  I don't think it was skin a fetish though. I had an old lady on campus try to convert to Christianity. She was black too. I think having black in common make people relax but it can get intrusive at time. I hear Jewish and Italian people complain that same "comfort" with in there cultures too.

Brenda55 19608 pts moderator

 Toni_M "Because some of these folks are on this "black women who date and marry interracially suffer from self-hatred issues" kick."

 

This right here.

Human being do not self hate at birth.  They are taught it and they are taught it by those closest to them.  No matter what the general public thinks or what negative images are out there if the family unit is there to counteract what the public thinks or the negative images are you make it through.  If your immediate surrounding culture counteract what the general public thinks  and the effects of the negative images then you make it through.

 

For black girls self hate is taught within our own families and communities.  As usual we love to point the finger at the general public and the negative images found in the media at large but we do little to counteract them and we do little to speak against the damage done from with in our own backyards. In fact too many of us,.specifically our men pile on.

 

Now that the BWE  bloggers have started talking about this stuff folks have been trying to discount and shut this community down.  It is not working I am happy to say.

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 Brenda55 I am a gabby one today. :S

thecrazyartist 2242 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55

 

"Skin-tone is irrelevant when it comes to indoctrination. Odds are, she's the product of a BM/WW union which is totally okay, because it's all about the black man anyway."

 

I know people like this, I am mixed race, I grew up in a two parent household, and my father would have a heart attack if I bought home tyrone from the block.  He always said "I don't care who you date or marry, as long as he treats you with respect and loves you".  Some other light-skinned and/or biracial women don't get this.  Their excuse is "I didn't have a black father, don't you want a black father?"  My response:  "I already have a father, I am not looking for another one". 

 

They have been taught that they are "self hating" and "trying to breed out the black" if they don't have a strong preference for dark skinned black men.  Whats sad is that this starts early as 5th or 6th grade, as soon as a young girl starts taking an interest in boys she gets "the lecture", my uncle tried it on me, and he got a mouthfull from my father.

 

A lot of the time the parent is afraid to speak up out of fear of being labled "racist" or a "sellout"(which is sad, it's in your childs best interest to put these losers on blast).

 

I already have a list of extended family that will not be invited to my wedding ragardless of who I marry, I don't want their ill-will, drama and insecurities at my alter(I can totally see how eloping is so romantic and stress-free).

 

What is really disgusting is you can be out with a platonic friend/aquaintance and they will still feel the need to "speak up"/open their vile ignorant mouths.  I was working on a project with a lab partner and an ignorant girl took it upon themselves to not-so-subtley "warn" and chastise me.  They ended up lookng like an idiot. They called the guy a "white boy"  he is half white half asian, has identifiable asian features, and he was quick  to correct them.  They shut up and left after that.

 

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

thecrazyartistBrenda55 "

 Their excuse is "I didn't have a black father, don't you want a black father?"  My response:  "I already have a father, I am not looking for another one". 

 

ZING!

thecrazyartist 2242 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55

 Thank you

arlette81 203 pts

 thecrazyartist  Toni_M  Brenda55 

yeah i really dont get people who say stuff like that. i understand wanting a guy who has similar characteristics as ur dad but why does he have to look like him as well?

ironcowboy 324 pts

I would say it's just good old fashioned fear in those men (or even women).  It's really scarey for men and women to lose control over what they perceive as theirs.  When a BW dates outside the BC, it's a loss for them of power... and I would presume that power and control are 80% of what this is really all about.  Anyone who has been to abuse counseling, will quickly recognize nearly all the phrases you wrote in your article.

 

Listen to your gut, and follow your heart!

 

 

Toni_M 18891 pts moderator

 CortlandCarrington Yup, having this conversation in the Elle Varner post. It's clear that the yapping of the offended is about a desire to control and manipulate black women and their choices.

 

These people are insecure and powerless and they can't stand it. 

Joyce345 1738 pts

LOL@ slave fantasies.

 

One that keeps popping up here is about getting into an interracial relationship 'for the right reasons.'

Everyone who gets into a relationship expects to get something out of it.

jillodelight 516 pts

I came across one video on YT where a BW was saying "You can date WM but don't think they'll treat you better!" lol The entire video she talked about BW who date WM are doing it for the wrong reasons: her premise was BW with WM hate BM and no love relationship could be based on hate.  She also said that BW were more likely to date a racist WM and BM would never date a racist WW LMAO OK, lady.  She's very popular with BM: they consider her a good BW lol I wonder if any of them would actually date her though.

 

The slave fetish accusation is so random to me.  One YT BM (JAYLOVE, not really DBR but confused)did a video trying to analyze why WM like BW: it was obviously based on a slave fetish lol He even accused WM of being secretly racist and hating BM. He seems obsessed with the idea of WM loving BW but hating BM *smh*

“It’s cool if you date white men*, but you don’t get to talk about the bad things that some black men do to black women, or warn other black women about them.” Lol yet another double standard.  He also posted a video talking about how BM date WW b/c BW blah,blah,blah.  Then in the next video he whined about BW with WM who "hate" BM: that just means BW criticized BM behavior and it hurt his feelings lol They really can't take what they dish out.

I make it a habit to avoid mammy/ BM coddler videos as much as I do DBR videos.

 

Asia 195 pts

 jillodelight I've watched JAYLOVE's videos too at first I'm thinking okay yeah he gets it! The next second I'm like wait what did he just say? Oh never mind he doesn't get it LOL. I find that he tries to out black men who have color issues with black women. In all honesty I happen to find those vids humorous.

thecrazyartist 2242 pts

Another great article Toni, it's hilarious/pathetic to see these people talking as if their opinion matters, the scary part is they think it is sound advice.  I.

DU2 2203 pts

well written Toni these Stupor -heroes just need to GO AWAY!!!!!!

MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1068 pts

you're right, Toni....

i was just talking to my husband about this today....cut that b.s. out right off the bat....i married who i wanted to....*hears crickets*.....haters can throw up the stank face and suck lemons all day....i don't care..the tide is slowly turning...the revolution will be "Swirlized"....

AJ2011 2310 pts

And if I want to talk about "black issues" I will. What are they going to do except hit the reply button?

AJ2011 2310 pts

Implementing the Wish Factor with this one. I don't take kindly to people I'm not related or paying to setting priorities on my time. No wonder they keep it online because trying that crap in person looks ridiculous.