Jamila on BWE: Who Will Protect Black Womanhood?

Jamila on BWE: Who Will Protect Black Womanhood?

I realize just how many books I have read about white women who led promiscuous lives throughout their college years or early twenties and yet still managed to marry a Nice Guy, eventually. After all of their promiscuity, drug addictions, divorces, and abortions these women were still able to find a Nice Guy to settle down with, marry, have kids, and live The Life.

But what about black women?

Good question, Jamila. Gooood question.

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    In college I chose to live in the International House my first semester. As a relatively sheltered high school student I wanted to go off to college and meet as many new people as possible who had experiences that were different from my own. What better way to do that than to choose to live in the officially designated house for international students, the only residence hall on campus where students were allowed to smoke and drink in their dorm rooms?! This was also my first introduction to the fact that most other nations allow people to legally smoke and drink before Americans; those lucky Europeans!

    Anyways, some of the students in the International House were from Middle Eastern countries. One of the girls my age wore hijab; she was always very sweet, kind to everyone, and soft-spoken. And she never showed one bit of skin from head to toe, didn’t even wear sandals as I recall. After some time living in the house, another of my friends let me in on a little secret: The hijab-wearing Middle-Eastern girl was involved in a long-term secret sexual relationship with the grungy, smelly white hippie who lived in the house!  I had seen Mr. Grungy-Smelly-Hippie with Ms. Hijab,  but I had no idea they were hooking up. Clearly my friend was closer to Ms. Hijab than I was; I questioned my friend about the future of Ms. Hijab’s relationship, would conservative Muslim parents from the Middle East allow their daughter to marry a grungy white guy from the midwest? Heck no!, was the response I got.  The plan was for Ms. Hijab to continue her dalliance for as long as she wished behind her parents back (and without their knowledge). When the time came for her to get married Ms. Hijab would marry the man her parents had chosen for her and simply pretend to be virgin. Case closed; everybody is happy.

    Fast forward 10 years.

    I realize just how many books I have read about white women who led promiscuous lives throughout their college years or early twenties and yet still managed to marry a Nice Guy, eventually. After all of their promiscuity, drug addictions, divorces, and abortions these women were still able to find a Nice Guy to settle down with, marry, have kids, and live The Life.

    But what about black women? Why don’t black women get to make their mistakes early in life and then, after all is said and done, they have parents or a beau standing there waiting to clean them up, buff their image until it sparkles, and then put them back on the right track?

    The answer is simple: American culture, and even black American culture, was not set up with the intention of protecting, supporting and valuing black womanhood. American culture has historically placed a high value on white womanhood. Conservative Muslim girls have Muslim parents who will make sure that they are protected; and yes, I know that sometimes Muslim parents go way overboard in their protection of their daughters, sometimes to such extremes that they harm their girls. However, the extremes are just that–the extremes, and do not represent business as usual.

    Who will protect black women? For now it looks as if we will have to do this ourselves, by acting in ways that preserve our dignity, self-respect, and choosing men who will honor and respect us.  This is just a start. But it’s a good start.  And eventually our behavior will turn into a self-sustaining reaction that spreads to whatever society we live in.

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      Jay from Philly 607 pts

      BWE suddenly deciding to be more sexually liberated should have happened when I was single. Doesn't do me any good now.

      Patricia Kayden 272 pts

      "Who will protect black women? For now it looks as if we will have to do this ourselves, by acting in ways that preserve our dignity, self-respect, and choosing men who will honor and respect us."

      Agreed.

      P.S. Who has ever protected BW? Historically speaking, I don't see that BW have ever been placed on pedestals or otherwise cherished. Oh well.

      kiki100 163 pts

      Patricia On a black blog this question was posted and a BM responded with 'back in Africa in the 13th century, the black man would protect african women'. Girl I was rolling on the floor with that one for more than one reason.

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      kiki100 Is that sarcasm or was he totally serious?

      kiki100 163 pts

      Toni_M He was dead serious. He was trying to tell me that somewhere along the way things changed and mentioned something about colonization, the white man, etc.

      Rosie S 565 pts

      kiki100 If he has to go that far back there is something wrong...

      Joyce345 705 pts

      Rosie Skiki100

      Back in the 13th Century???????

      Aabaakawad 424 pts moderator

      Colonization at that time would be Arab. Joyce345 Rosie S kiki100

      My latest conversation: ForumPress

      kiki100 163 pts

      Yup Joyce, the man made no sense. He didn't have an answer so he pulled something out of his ass.

      TigerTheLion 28 pts

      kiki100 I think this is primarily a western problem. Google the likes of "Yaa Asantewaa". Before women in the west were even allowed to vote, this woman not only declared a war on the british, she lead it. to put things in context, the asante empire that Yaa Asantewaa belongs to were an imperial state. that should give you an idea of the role women played in that society. I don't think the guy you were referring to truly knew what he was talking about but I don't think the sentiments expressed here with regards to an african society is valid either.

      kiki100 163 pts

      Was she protected? This yet further proves the post. Who protects us and looks after our needs.

      NATruthstudent 955 pts

      TigerTheLionkiki100

      I just looked her up. Impressive! When the men of her nation wouldn't act to protect from the Europeans, she took charge. That nation is now known as Ghana.

      But that only goes to prove the point the ladies here are making, Tiger. And it's over a century ago. The African men of her African nation did not protect that nation or that nation's women. But "African American" so-called men want to get all up in arms when, because they do the same thing, and worse, some of those beautiful thinking women open their minds enough to date and marry other men who are not of direct African descent.

      I'm saying that women should not HAVE to be the fighters, the protectors. And they DEFINITELY should not have to do it alone when it becomes necessary to fight and protect.

      Jay from Philly 607 pts

      Per Khadija Nasif, the only thing protecting Black women is white-male dominated law enforcement.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Jay from Philly Finally someone said it.

      The Working Home Keeper 612 pts

      Jay from Philly Watch out Jay. That kind of talk will get you labeled a racist imbecile LOL!

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      The Working Home KeeperJay from Philly Lol...don't worry Jay, I told the same thing to my ex who is a bm. I told him the only way I feel protected from him is with white dominated law enforcement and the white dominated court system.

      Not to sound racist BUT.........

      Haha

      AJ2011 302 pts

      Patricia Kayden I don't see any group/race/ethnicity that has a history of protecting or putting their women on pedestals unless it was to limit the activity or romantic access of those women. On second thought men from some indigenous American cultures did treat women with equal value as far as their their place in society prior to their assimilation. Why do you think so many colonial women seemed to never willingly return after being "kidnapped? :)

      tigerjlv86 210 pts

      Jamila always speaking the truth...

      Other than my parents and some of my closest black (male and female) friends, I've found more white (men and women) people doing things to project black womanhood than anyone else. We all fought to help Amber Cole after that incident, but one of her most vocal supporters was a white woman.

      We can band together here and look out for each other, but I think the best thing we can do is surround ourselves with the kind of people (all colors) that don't judge us and respect us flaws and all.

      Being happy in a functional, loving, and respectful relationship helps too. The ladies in the hospital yesterday was so drawn to my husband and I because even as I was terrified of surgery, they could see and feel the love and happiness we have. He never left my side as long as he could stay, and as soon as they moved me into post op, he was right there...let me stop before I get too sappy.

      I do believe that couples like him and I and others around the area are helping to turn the tide in attitudes about black women.

      NATruthstudent 955 pts

      tigerjlv86

      Yes! Teaching by example! I love it!

      AJ2011 302 pts

      I delete my posts sometimes. Some stuff just doesn't add to the discussion.

      Joyce345 705 pts

      Lemme offer my two cents. I'm no expert so I stand to be corrected :) The feminist movement has made more strides in white society than in any other society. White feminists have made strides that other women had not.

      I believe there was a time when a white woman was either a virgin or a whore but because of the mainstreaming of women's rights that period is in the past. I can remember a shakespeare play where the leading lady was at pains to prove that she was a virgin. I believe it is Much Ado About Nothing.

      In other societies, feminism has never been mainstreamed. In fact where I come from feminists never identify themselves as such because they would be outed as instruments of the devil. They just call themselves women's rights activists.

      Blacks largely missed out on the feminism memo. For many African and African American men (women too), a woman is either a virgin or a whore. There is no in between.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Joyce345 Your two cents makes sense to me. I agree that in the black community, African or Black American there are only absolutes.

      Robynne 210 pts

      It's like Bunny said below - apart from other women having protectors, they are more discreet with their "indiscretions." They don't divulge every single bit of their sexual history to Mr. Man. If some bw learned to shut up and not be like Sherri Shepard from the view, that would go a long way.

      ann4950 212 pts

      RobynneHere is a question. Why does Sherri always defend Kim K.?

      Sophia 226 pts

      I sincerely believe that at this point, it's best for black women to concentrate on living the best life they can for themselves. We need to save ourselves first and foremost. If and once we're set then we can afford to help a select few, ones who are willing to accept help with the proper attitude of humility.

      There is no community to protect AA women and so the best thing is to live well, live securely and be loved by worthwhile people. Hopefully, the actions of these increasingly successful black women gets filtered to other black women, and up and coming girls and that will help them come out of the matrix. Nothing speaks louder than action.

      NATruthstudent 955 pts

      Sophia

      Self-empowerment is the key, which I'm sure most, if not all, of the ladies here will agree with. I've learned that you can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves, male or female.

      MadamCJCPA 668 pts

      Not to derail the topic too much further, but Toni your post about the "Red Tails" movie reminded me of the rallying of men and women started by a group of non-black women over at the Amazon.com forums over Amazon's decision to no longer offer their Amazon Mom program for FREE after over a year. The company now has tied the program to their Amazon Prime membership, so if you want to continue to receive benefits you pay the $79 yearly fee. I have been a Prime member for years so these entitled women with their whining get no sympathy from me, but I must give it to them they managed to organize a movement to pushback against Amazon within minutes of Amazon's announcement and it is gaining steam everyday so I will watch with apt attention to see if Amazon relents. If they do then I know for future reference that this is the type of rabid savageness that we black women must use to get the respect due us for competition of our hard earned $$.

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      MadamCJCPA Well to bring it back on topic, I say regardless of how I feel about this particular movement, it's always wise to take a page out of someone else's handbook. Lobbying and protesting with dollars to get what you want has worked before, and there are other groups that certainly work it to their advantage on the regular.

      It's something that BW should certainly consider doing on their own behalf, and through working together with other BW to achieve a common worthwhile goal.

      MadamCJCPA 668 pts

      Toni_M I am in total agreement with you on the hold protesting thing. My point was the absolute quickness and the immediate large following of allies to their cause that caught my attention. Because you know usually when we black women protest we have neither the speed nor the large come togetherness in order to unite against a common goal that these groups enjoy.

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      Speaking of protecting black womanhood: Have you guys heard about the move to boycott "Red Tails"?

      Apparently there are no black women in the movie, and the movie will feature a BM/WW as the romance. So basically this is a movement about advancing the image of BM, and BW have been left completely out of it.

      I dunno. On the one hand, I like historical movies, especially something that shows BM as capable of something other than being gang bangers and pimps (and hoping that message sinks in), but I'm not sure I'm prepared to do it at the expense of BW being treated as irrelevant.

      Lines are being drawn in the sand as I type this...

      ForestElfQueen 1921 pts

      Toni_M yeh, someone mentioned that in After Dark thread 1. Not sure if it(lack of bw in the film) bothers me that much. hmmm.

      ForestElfQueen 1921 pts

      Toni_M i'm sure the IR-as-conspiracy ppl will love that.

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      ForestElfQueen I'm cringing at people crying about the interracial relationship. I couldn't care less myself. I understand balking at the absolute lack of representation for black women, but let's not do this "why Hollywood gotta take OUR men and put them with those evil non-black bitches!" game, where BW come off sounding pressed and bitter.

      BWE bloggers should know better than to take that kind of bait. Make it clear that your movie dollars will not be spent if you don't feel accurately represented or represented at all.

      I predict if this movie does flop, the blame will be placed squarely on BW being insecure, bitter and unwilling to support BM and that "ironically" this is why they are alone and unwanted in the first place. At least if these persons aren't smart enough to make their stance clear, and move away from "side-eying" BM/non-BW pairings. Some BW who only want BM are gonna cry about it, and I don't begrudge them that. But pleeeeeease, can those of us that this does not apply to NOT throw our lot in with this group?!

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Toni_MForestElfQueen I agree that the IRR doesn't bother me, mostly. I wish bw were in it but could care less if it was as a love interest or anything else. Many bw played large roles in history and yet we usually can only be found as the mamie in many historical movies.

      Like Karla, I actually don't like when they try to throw in a romance for the $. With that said, I like the historical aspect and plan on seeing it.

      Karla 1679 pts

      Toni_M I'm going to see it, if only because it's a part of history and a movie showing military men like my dad. Tuskegee is my mom and dad's alma mater and they actually met some of these guys so, for me, it's indirect vicarious living. And, as with most old war movies, women, period, are irrelevant. I guess my question would be, why show any woman or romance? Is it Hollywood and the need for gratuitous anything?

      VintageNarcissa 253 pts

      KarlaToni_M I'm interested in seeing that movie because I am interested in period pieces like that. But I'm definitely not going to see it in theaters. I'm going to watch it online like any self respecting web pirate would. trolololol!

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      VintageNarcissaKarla Yeah, I'm thinking I may go the internet route.

      NATruthstudent 955 pts

      VintageNarcissaKarlaToni_M

      I hear that, Narcissa! Although I do enjoy the occasional trip to the theatre when I have someone to go with me. Last time was for the day after the premier of the last Harry Potter flick, my son took me.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      VintageNarcissaKarlaToni_M You so funny! I am going to our $3.50 movie theater when it gets there. I kinda wanna see it on a big screen...planes flying around and all.

      VintageNarcissa 253 pts

      Mocha ZKarlaToni_M Hehe. Well, I live in NYC so a $3.50 movie is but a pipe dream. But there is this theater in Queens that offers movies for $6 on Tuesdays. But it's an hour and a half trip to get there ... so I dunno. May as well use the internet while I still can.

      eugeniamitchell 3270 pts moderator

      KarlaToni_M That's what I think my thought is the romance will be so on the back burner no will notice it. But lord let it be a ww anywhere and bw go nuts. Now I'm accused of being 'browbeaten' b/c I dare go see a movie that I want to see. You know I'm a believer that battle-picking is an art. Most ppl don't know how to pick their battles. I sometimes think bw want to battle about every stupid, dinky thing when bigger battles await us that we need to pay attention to. I like George Lucas, that's why I'm going to see the movie, I'm not a fan of war movies but b/c I like George Lucas I'll see it. One of the reasons I went to see 'Saving Private Ryan' was b/c I liked Ron Howard. That's one of the reasons I have a hard time belonging to clubs b/c I don't like ppl putting rules and directives on me and if somehow I don't follow them I'm a traitor or browbeaten in this case. Maybe I made a decision for me and some ppl make a decision for them. But every little slight against you should not be a cause for all out war, it's a waste of energy and time to me.

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      eugeniamitchellKarla Yeah, I am still on the fence about whether or not I want to see it, but I made it clear that I respect the opinions of other women regardless.

      The one thing I simply CANNOT stomach in all this is a bunch of simple black folks, mainly women, crying foul because, OMG where is "black love"? And one person was whining about IR being "shoved down our throats". This let me know that individuals like this would be anti BW being in IRR on screen, and probably won't support any non-stereotypical, pre-approved BW caricature. It's bad enough these persons try to speak for me and my interests, it's even worse knowing these persons would not even support representation of BW unless there were "conditions" on her positive representation (read: as far in the BC box as you can get).

      Screw that, to be honest.

      eugeniamitchell 3270 pts moderator

      Toni_MKarla Yea I can understand you may not have wanted to go see it anyway. Then don't go just b/c it's some bm in it talking about the Tuskegee Airmen, you shouldn't be guilted either way.

      ForestElfQueen 1921 pts

      Toni_MeugeniamitchellKarla yeh, if i drag my feet going to see it, it will be because of the war aspect (i have trouble with that) not because of an IR romance.

      i can already hear the youtube conspiros saying that Lucas is trying to further annihilation of the AA community through IR propaganda. LOL!

      NATruthstudent 955 pts

      ForestElfQueen

      You KNOW they're going to...

      eugeniamitchell 3270 pts moderator

      ForestElfQueenToni_MKarla If George Lucas wasn't directing it, I wouldn't go see it. But this is man who has made two of my favorite series Star Wars and Indiana Jones, yea I'm going LOL.

      eugeniamitchell 3270 pts moderator

      ForestElfQueenToni_MKarla He and Mellody are going to be on Oprah's Master Class this week. I'd like to watch that, looks interesting.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      ForestElfQueenToni_MeugeniamitchellKarla That is exactly what they are saying! I have read it. I think I told you a little about it on the after dark thread.