Jamila on BWE: Will You Be Going to See ‘Red Tails’ When It Comes Out?

Jamila on BWE: Will You Be Going to See ‘Red Tails’ When It Comes Out?

Do black women cease to exist in George Lucas’ new film?

    Author : Jamila Akil

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    I know the crowd here has a soft spot in their hearts for George Lucas because not only is he a great filmmaker ( I still watch the old Star War’s movies) but because he has a lovely, intelligent black women on his arm. Lucas has a new film coming out titled Red Tails about the Tuskegee Airmen, the popular name given to the first black men who served as pilots in World War II.

    Personally, I had no plans to go see the film because the promotional snippet shown over at What About Our Daughters made the movie look about as exciting as watching paint dry. The fact that one of the characters becomes involved with a white women is not an issue for me; after all, black military men from America and Africa who are stationed in Europe have long been having consensual relationships with white women in those countries. I’m also not one of those black people who is silly enough to believe, or propagate the lie, that if I don’t go see this particular black movie  ‘a baby seal will be shot in the head and have his little baby seal brains sprayed across the polar ice caps’–otherwise known as the ‘no other movie with black characters will ever again be made if you don’t do see this movie’ argument.

    I’ve also seen other movies where a white man has a consensual relationship with a black woman, despite the fact that this would be historically inaccurate. The Last King of Scotland, featuring James McAvoy, is just one example of this type of relationship. Interracial love affairs are increasingly being made a part of movies because the number of interracial couples is increasing, and those couples want to see their relationships represented in popular culture, particularly advertising and movies.

    Some black women have already said that they won’t be going to see the flick because one of the lead characters in the film has a white women as a love interest, making it historically inaccurate. The one black actress who had a prominent place in the movie ended up having her scenes left on the cutting room floor in post-production.

    So, ladies (and gents) of Beyond Black and White, if you have heard about this flick, do you have plans on going to see it? Why or why not?

    [UPDATE]

    BB&W got this email from a reader on this very issue, and I (Chris) thought it would make a good companion to the discussion:

    I just wanted to give Black women who are planning on seeing this movie a heads up. I attended an advanced screening for the film, “Red Tails,” and there are absolutely NO Black women in this picture. Not a single soldier talks about a girlfriend, a wife, a sister or a mother in the film. No one even has a picture of Lena Horne on the wall! The only woman in the film is white; she plays the wife of one of the black pilots. In real life, the Tuskegee Airmen were all married to black women,but the movie creator(s) saw fit to erase every single one of these black wives, and only feature a white wife for one of the black male characters.

    Every war movie *except* those with black soldiers show the soldiers fighting to come home to their women (of the same race). This is true for every white war movie from the black and white era, to “Saving Private Ryan” and right on down to “The Dirty Dozen.” When it comes to black soldiers, movie makers find ingenious ways of leaving black women out! This trend even touched “A Soldier’s Story.” I’m sure just as many and more IR happened with white soldiers, but guess what? Those are rarely-if-ever put front and center, if they even get shown at all, in hero movies with majority white casts.

    George Lucas says he worked on this movie for 20 YEARS. Both of the screen writers are BLACK MEN. The director is a Black man. There are about 15 Black actors in this movie. You mean to tell me NONE of these men noticed that they didn’t have wives, mothers or sisters? It was not an accident or an oversight that Black women were excised from this movie, this was intentional. There is always a angle in war movies that involves women. Whether its The Patriot or Saving Private Ryan, the women these men leave back home have a presence in the movie.

    And now black women, who are once again NOT shown as women worth fighting for, are supposed to bear the burden of supporting “Red Tails.” Otherwise, we risk seeming ungrateful to Hollywood, unsupportive of black male actors, close minded to interracial themes or just plain too ignorant to see period pieces or anything that doesn’t have Tyler Perry’s name on it.

    Think about your daughters. If they are going to watch a film celebrating Black achievements, why are they discounted and pushed to the sidelines always for someone white? It doesn’t matter how ‘positive’ the movie is in other regards, this is plain disgusting and just shows the contempt that these movie makers have for Black women. They expect us to automatically support with our dollars anything that degrades or just plain erases us from reality. It’s a joke. Once again, Hollywood, gets the chance to put out a movie that tells the world (and it WILL be in worldwide distribution) that Black men value anyone and everyone other than Black women. If I were a black women who cares about her image, I would boycott this and advise other black women to do the same.

     

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      ann4950 212 pts

      Newscasters Robin Roberts and Salley Ann Roberts' father was a Tuskegee Airman.

      Brenda55 2617 pts moderator

      I have to say that I am seeing a rather troubling pattern emerge around the BWE sites concerning this film.Support of or the lack there of is being built up as a sort of litmus test of one's commitment to what BWE stands for.

      I hope we do not go there. This is just a movie after all. A blip on the screen that is being shown in Jan. which is when the least marketable of films are shown. By August no one will be talking about this picture. That is the reality.

      Go and see it or not. Just respect each person right to make the choice that is right for them. Again it is only a darn movie.

      I get what some BWE bloggers are getting at in their criticism of the film. They are right to speak out. This is the only way filmmakers will get the message. Hitting them at the box office is effective also and some will go in that direction. However getting into a inter-mural fight over a limited release film and the decision to see it gains us nothing and is not worth the energy it takes up. BWE gets nothing out of that fight.

      Jules1 124 pts

      My review of Red Tails

      To my surprise, I went to a special VIP showing of the movie and Cuba Gooding Jr opened the film for us. He did not stay for the viewing of the film, just opened it, and left. He informed us that there are less than 70 Tuskegee Airmen still with us. The movie is worth seeing IMHO. The entire film is set in Italy for the most part, with about two scenes set in the US and they both involved briefings in a meeting room.

      The casting was good, all the actors played their part well. I actually think Terence Howard gave the best performance in the film, and may very well be a contender come award season. Set design was good, Lucas tried to stay as true to the times as far as uniforms, the setting, and military machines. The planes were gorgeous. Good cinematography as well. The fight scenes were amazing with very good action. The actors played well off each other and you could tell they had good chemistry on set. Ne-yo surprised me most of all, he has acting chops. In truth, the movie could have endured on its own without the romance angle, as I find that in most action movies there is no reason for romance, good action can carry a movie. However, there is a romance between one of the lead actor and an Italian woman. The romance was not believable at all because there was no real chemistry between the actors. It seemed forced and just tossed in to perhaps appeal to the female audience. Outside of that, and a few cheesy lines as are always present in action movies, I would give the film a very solid 7.8/10. You can tell that it does not have Star Wars budget money behind it, but it brings this story to a younger audience who may otherwise never know of these brave and noble fighters. It may make you cry, so carry a handkerchief.

      AJ2011 302 pts

      Jules1 Hey thanks for the run down. I'm going next weekend.

      Blackberry 306 pts

      I'm reluctant to chime in especially because everyone is being so reasonable. I come from a military family, both grandfathers in WWII, father served as well. My mother all but banned my brothers claiming she was tried of the worrying. But still military family.... So we're all excited to see this movie.

      But I gotta say.... CALM DOWN.... I'm sorry this movie isn't everything BW want it to be. Well it's not for BW it's about men. I understand the other side, lack of positive BW images and where there is opportunity and it doesn't happen --- well that hurts all the more. But folks its a movie. A movie about black fighter pilots....want something better well then go watch "Something New" this weekend instead. But please don't impute responsibility for BW's history onto George Lucas.

      ann4950 212 pts

      Blackberry

      Hmmm, I supposed "The Help" could have had a wm dating one of the "help". LOL, bw get "The Help" and bm "Tuskegee" that seems like an unfair trade.

      Blackberry 306 pts

      ann4950 I missed "the help" phenonmenon...kind of on purpose.... I'm not sure their is a good movie for the community of black women.... But I don't look to the movies for role models so...

      shesthedifferencemaker 115 pts

      -Part 2-

      RedTails was a perfect opportunity to have Black actors of both genders shine, to show their range, strength and compelling proficiency at their craft. Instead it is a one sided account featuring Black men only. The buzz and hubbub surrounding this film is due largely to George Lucas stating that no one in Hollywood wanted to support it because it featured a predominantly Black cast. The additional clamor has been caused by folks who took that one statement and ran with it, inferring that if RedTails was not supported another film featuring an All-Black cast will never be made again. Ok. Fine.

      My position is not to tell you what to do with your hard earned money. If RedTails sounds all jazzy to you and you want to see it, by all means go and enjoy yourself. However, please do not come for me because I refuse to see a movie where I am not represented when I know I should be. Since Redtails decided that Black women should be missing in this feature, they will simply have to deal with the fact that me and other Black women are electing to be missing from the theater."

      ann4950 212 pts

      Missing bw? Even Star Trek had black women in the future.

      jess1 85 pts

      shesthedifferencemaker If I see Red Tails it will be when it come to my local library for free! Bw going along with this crap reminds me of how bw went along with hard core rap when if first came out saying that it was just music. Now we see how much damage it has caused to bw and girls.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      jess1shesthedifferencemaker How does hardcore rap relate to this movie? How will this cause damage to black woman and girls? Those are 2 totally different things.

      shesthedifferencemaker 115 pts

      From a poster on WAOD's facebook page :)

      Part 1

      "RedTails = Missing Black Women Syndrome

      RedTails, the new movie executive produced by George Lucas and starring among others Terrance Howard and Cuba Gooding Jr., is about the The Tuskegee Airmen pilots who fought in World War II. The movie is supposed to be an historical account of how the airmen faced racism, alienation and contempt for their sole existence and how they overcame these obstacles. Like Glory, but with planes and junk. Great, sounds like a winner. Sign me up! Wait. Not so fast… something seems off. In the movie and subsequent trailer for said movie there is a line that is uttered – “We count our victories by the bombers we get to their targets. By the husbands we return to their wives. By the fathers we give back to their children.” So who are these mystery wives and children? Are they figments of the fighters’ imagination? I ask because they appear nowhere in the movie RedTails. The only relationship that is highlighted is between one of the airmen and an Italian woman he meets once he became enlisted. What gives? In no war movie in recent history (or not so recent), has there ever been the wanton exclusion of the women who support the troops. Is it any coincidence that in this case the women who were doing the supporting are Black? To not depict any Black women in a movie with historical reference where actual Black women were present is a grave injustice. To be more blunt, this interracial relationship that was manufactured for movies sake, or artistic liberty if you will, is an even bigger affront as all of the Tuskegee airmen were married to Black women.

      Additionally, there were Black female pilots, namely Willa Beatrice Brown. Mrs. Beatrice Brown was a founding member of the National Airmen's Association of America, whose purpose was to lobby Congress for the racial integration of the US Army Air Corps. Her efforts were responsible for Congress' creation of the Tuskegee Airmen, which lead to the eventual integration of the U.S. military service in 1948. This seems like a nearly perfect inclusion of an influential and instrumental Black woman into the back-story, if not main story. How about a hattip to Bessie Coleman, who was the first Black person of any gender to earn a pilot’s license in 1921? There also had to be some Black nurses as well. Throw in a plot line about a lovely Black nurse that one of the Tuskegee men fall in love with, I mean since as I stated above there are making things up.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      shesthedifferencemaker Oh okay, now I see why you don't want to see it. BUT this is just a prequel right, who knows what will be in the others? But I totally understand.

      shesthedifferencemaker 115 pts

      Pearl

      it's funny people talking about a prequel. the first one took 20+ years to make and the reviews for the film have not been good. how long will it take for the next one to be made, if they even make another one?

      But, I'm reallllly interested to hear from the women on here who go see it this weekend :)

      ann4950 212 pts

      shesthedifferencemaker

      Good for Mrs. Willa B. Brown and Mrs. Bessie Coleman.

      This is first time I read about Mrs. Brown. You are correct there were bw who served in the armed forces. Just a little side note about those bw would have been appropriate.

      jess1 85 pts

      shesthedifferencemaker Omg! I loved WAOD's posts about this movie!!!

      jamaica68 19 pts

      Yes, I plan to see this movie this weekend. I support(pay $7.50) for a lot of other movies that don't have blacks in it at all so why would I not support this?!

      AJ2011 302 pts

      jamaica68You're going to see the movie probably because it looks good to you. I didn't see The Help, For Colored Girls, Waiting to Exhale, Something New, Love and Basketball, Barbershop, The Brothers, or even Brown Sugar. They didn't look good to me. Your position doesn't require defending.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      AJ2011jamaica68 oh gawd, I thought I was the one one in the world lol.. Except for colored girls.. and a couple of clips of waiting to exhale.. never sat through and just watched it...

      AJ2011 302 pts

      Pearljamaica68 My folks wouldn't let me see it because because fo the language and by the time I was old enough to see there were enough references in pop culture to where I knew the story already. I don't like story lines with a lot of emotional strain, which is why I never saw Precious either. The Color Purple was enough.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      AJ2011jamaica68 I seen Precious... could have lived without seeing it.. and the beginning was unnecessary..

      Toni_M 2678 pts

      AJ2011jamaica68 Wow, I've only seen two of those, and not in theaters.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      AJ2011jamaica68 Don't make it a rule to see black movies, never have. Maybe the Spike Lee movement turned me off and I never wanted to give anyone a chance. Brown Sugar was a movie I loved. Maybe because I could relate to the era and urban setting they grew up in. Something New was another one I like too. I love Sanaa Lathan so that is another reason I saw those movies. I wasn't initially that interested in those either.

      AJ2011 302 pts

      I've a had a few days to think about it. If I went to see the movie, would I actually supporting the legacy of the Red Tails? Am I paying homage to the efforts of my Grandfathers (both), Great Uncles, and other black men who served in uniform by paying $7.50-with my discount?

      Speaking frankly, black women don't have to see the movie to honor the men in their families or, if you're veteran like few other black women on here, to demonstrate your patriotism. You can buy documentaries or watch them online, you can buy books, or even start a file about them on your computer and sharing that with people you know. You can write letters to the actual Airmen if you wanted to. I do volunteer work with black war veterans every Saturday. So not seeing the movie doesn't mean you don't support the legacy of the Tuskegee Airmen. At first I thought the black women who had an issue the film were being a little insecure. But if they don't feel the portrayal is accurate or that black women are being excluded while other women have a place in the movie, then their feelings seem pretty valid on some level.

      Bellydancer 178 pts

      There is supposed to be a WW2 movie focused on a secret black female regiment that went behind enemy lines in Germany. Now I hope they can get that one made.

      Bellydancer 178 pts

      I will be going to see the movie my grandfather served in WW2. In most action movies like this women are usually excluded or have a few lines and do not move the story along. If I had to boycott every movie that did not feature a black woman in it I would only see 2 movies a year and one of them would probably have Medea in it (lol) Plus Lucas has said "I will direct and write the action if you (screenwriter) will write the story" so I don't blame Mr. Lucas at all for the lack of bw he does action better than anyone and that's what interested him was those plane battles and that's what I am looking forward to also.

      kiki100 163 pts

      The issue here is that this is a black film. Sure there are lots of films with no blacks in it..lol It has been stated before that other war movies feature the women behind the men, even if they are only saying goodbye. This film didn;t even have one. And we are asking why.

      The Working Home Keeper 612 pts

      kiki100 According to my husband, who is a big Lucas/Star Wars fan, Red Tails is part of a trilogy. The prequel to this film will focus on the personal lives of the airmen and the sequel will deal with them returning from the war and dealing with racism in America . I didn't see the interview myself, but Maxine below stated it was when Lucas appeared on The Daily Show.

      kiki100 163 pts

      The Working Home Keeperkiki100

      Yes I did heart about that as well. I will keep this in mind. Thanks

      kiki100 163 pts

      Had no idea about this one: Jazmine Sullivan EDITED OUT of Red Tails-

      www.whataboutourdaughters.com/waod/2012/1/18/confirmed-jazmine-sullivan-edited-out-of-red-tails-toldja-so.html

      shesthedifferencemaker 115 pts

      kiki100 but it's probably nothing. those bw making a fuss about it are just "insecure or paranoid". mmhmm

      kiki100 163 pts

      Have you seen 'The Tuskeegee Airmen'? The version with Larry Fishburne?

      Jules1 124 pts

      I will be seeing the movie. As a matter of fact, I won a pair of tickets for it tomorrow evening.

      kiki100 163 pts

      Update us with your review of the film.

      Brenda55 2617 pts moderator

      Again hubby and I are going to see this film. I have a little problem with the whole boycott issue.

      It seem that there is a little revisionist history going on here. It is my understanding that this picture takes place in theater hence the battle scenes. It is really not about the gals they left behind or the home front. This is meant to be an action flix.

      The location was Italy. Can't say that there were too many black women in Italy during WW2 and while there were black women serving in the military there were not a whole lot of them either. Further I am not sure there were any black women serving in Italy during the war. So I am trying to figure out where a black women would have fit into this whole deal.

      The IR relationship takes place in Italy. One of the airmen meet and woos an Italian woman there. That makes sense. Sorry but that stuff did happen. So to me this whole boycott the film is again looking at the past through the prism of the present.

      Brenda55 2617 pts moderator

      Just did some quick research. There were about 4000 black women serving in all branches of the military during WW2. That is a drop in the bucket given how huge that conflict was.

      ann4950 212 pts

      Brenda55

      4,000 maybe a drop in the drop bucket as you say; however, these women's roles were just as important and should not have been overlooked.

      Brenda55 2617 pts moderator

      ann4950

      True. However that is not the movie that was being made. This movie is about the Tuskegee Airmen. This is not a movie about African Americans serving in the military during WW2. That war was a huge conflict involving millions of people in uniform. I mentioned the number of Black women serving to the way that I did to illustrate how few there were.

      Karla 1679 pts

      Brenda55 And of those 4000 BW, 479 served as nurses, who were, practically, the only women near the front lines in WWII. The Black nurses were sent to Africa (naturally), Burma (now Myanmar) and the Southwest Pacific. Towards the end of the war, they were sent to England to care for German POWs. There were none in Italy, where this movie is primarily centered.

      Brenda55 2617 pts moderator

      Karla You see this is the problem I am having with this call to boycott the film. There seems to be an attempt at revisionist history. This film is NOT a history of the airmen. It is a about a specific point in time, in Italy. It would have made no sense for black women to be there.

      I am going to see the film Wednesday with my husband and Dad.

      It is a shame that some bloggers are attempting to make this a litmus test to ones commitment to BWE. This "movement" has always been about making the choices right for you and that is the choice I am making.

      nyaw 52 pts

      After watching their interviews and reading some comments, I realize we all have many reasons for seeing the movie. There are those going to see it because they are fans of the directors, others because of the history behind it and what it means to them but for those that want to see it to go oooohhhAHHH he is so cute and is loyal to black men they will be very disappointed... Then their is the main topic of why not to see it (because there is no black women leads) can be a good stand. However I am a history gal! I have no problem with the swirl with the BM, but I will wait until it comes out on tv. The arguement is valid and I stand by it.

      dani-BBW 118 pts

      Yup, I'll be going to see it. I would really like to see more non-Tyler Perry Black movies made so I'm going to support this in hopes that it will spur more change in Hollywood. Also, I'm interested in learning of the Tuskegee Airmen, I only have a superficial understanding. Also I got an AMC coupon for a free small popcorn with purchase of a ticket for the movie, LOL.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      dani-BBW Now I want some popcorn.. Chris should make a food post

      Christelyn 2190 pts moderator

      Pearldani-BBW This weekend will be ALL about the food, Pearl!

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Christelyn dani-BBW Oh mah Gawd I can't wait .. rawr!!!

      tigerjlv86 210 pts

      My husband and I plan on seeing the movie. We're both Lucas fans. Lucas has alluded to making a prequel and sequel pending the outcome of this movie, so I wouldn't be so quick to rush to any judgement about including/not including BW in the movie. He also mentioned that there was so much to their stories, that he couldn't possibly put it all in one film. This doesn't necessarily excuse him if he had ulterior motives, but we don't know what went on in his mind coming up with this film.

      We may or may not go see the movie this weekend (I'm not much on opening weekend), but we will go.

      Shenikwa 23 pts

      I am certainly going to see this movie. While this part doesn't include BW, and I agree with most women on the fact that it' not fair, I am still going to see this movie. I am a huge Lucas fan and I think that what he is attempting to revive here is good thing. Now he has a chance to read what we would like to see here and maybe he can make the two other films into something a little more tangible for us. But I will support this film and his endeavors.

      Islandgirl 217 pts

      The movie is classic between the devil and the deep sea moment. From what I have read a lot of hollywood studios were reluctant to make this movie on the basis that black people don't watch and/or want this type of movie. Therefore it is an understatement to say that the hollywood is closely monitoring the outcome of this film. It is, unfortunate, that when it comes to black men playing the lead in hollywood films that the leading ladies are usually light skinned or racially ambiguous. Nevertheless, I believe a bigger impact could have been made if some of the focus of the movie revolved around the support network of the Airmen, to show that black women made a difference during the war effort not just black men.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Eh, I'll go see it in theaters, then on Netflix..

      This movie looks a bit interesting.. The funny thing is Joyful Voice doesn't look interesting to me and I don't like Keke Palmer.. (too loud)

      The White chick is for money.. I thought you guys would get it.. There really is no place for a white man but somebody's gotta be white so white people will... idk feel comfortable? And of course she'd be casted as the wife.. I mean yall didn't see this coming.. the movie wants to make some money right? But anyway.. I like cheez-its