Jay From Philly E-Kicks Dr. Goddess Off Her Cloud of Ignorance!

Jay From Philly E-Kicks Dr. Goddess Off Her Cloud of Ignorance!

Last year, a Twitter bully named “Dr Goddess” became a tick biting on my left arse cheek when she hounded me along with her merry band of ignoramuses. Basically, she said I had no right to speak on black issues since I married a white dude. In comes Jay From Philly riding on his horse to defend my honor and the NWNW principle, and he emailed me a response on her blog that he thought would never see the light of day. Well guess what? Not only is Jay’s comment going to get the shine it deserves, I’m gonna Tweet Dr. (non)Goddess and her merry band of ignoramuses she she knows.

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Last year, a Twitter bully named “Dr Goddess” became a tick biting on my left arse cheek when she hounded me along with her merry band of ignoramuses. Basically, she said I had no right to speak on black issues since I married a white dude. In comes Jay From Philly riding on his horse to defend my honor and the NWNW principle, and he emailed me a response on her blog that he thought would never see the light of day. Well guess what? Not only is Jay’s comment going to get the shine it deserves, I’m gonna Tweet Dr. (non)Goddess and her merry band of ignoramuses she she knows.

Just take a read:

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Dr. Goddess,
This is my first visit to this blog, so I’ll disclose a few things about myself first. First, I am a married white man, so the NWNW campaign was not aimed at me. Second, as the son of a civil rights activist father and a hippie mother I grew up in the culture of American liberalism. I believed in the struggle for social justice which I understood as a cause that intertwined civil rights, feminism, environmentalism and labor. My views on all of that changed when I took a job as a corrections officer and ended up working in something few white Americans ever see, the belly of the Black American underclass.

My wife (then girlfriend) worked in a huge municipal facility with many thousands of people. She would remark to me that she got along better with her Black coworkers than her white ones. When we got engaged the white girls oohed and aahed and squealed over the ring on her finger. The Black women, most of them unwed mothers, suddenly became cold and distant when the subject of her engagement came up. Being married was an absolutely foreign idea to them.
Fifty years of Great Society social programs have created an intractable permanent underclass. The ghetto is now on the third or fourth generation raised entirely on government welfare. They are the grandchildren of the crack babies, lost almost from the womb. Fathers are entirely absent, and mothers are now disappearing as well. Children are raised (or not) by older siblings or a harried great-grandmother. They are told that only suckers work and that people who are kind are weak. At school they are socially promoted, allowed to bully others and assault the teacher. They have sex at a ridiculously young age but don’t use condoms and have babies just to brag about how many “b*tches” they “f*cked” (It was bragged to me many times by inmates, don’t try to tell me different). Going to jail is something that’s expected and you are not a real man until you do some time. They don’t have the skills or work ethic to do anything anybody wants to pay to have done.  Life is cheap, no one can think beyond the next hour, and no one lives long enough to gain wisdom through hard knocks to keep the next generation from being lost.

Don’t blame racism. Previous generations of Black men who lived through Jim Crow and slavery married the mothers of their children and provided for their families. And African immigrants are hard-working and married to the mothers of their children, so I don’t know where this “Parentless households are the African way” theory comes from. White people don’t hate the Black underclass, they have simply written them off. The lid has been kept on for a good long time, but now a government debt crisis looms, and the taxpayer funds needed to sustain the ethnically monochromatic hellhole of crime, pollution, hopelessness, guns, drugs, and death you extol are getting turned off. God help us when that day comes.

The women of No Wedding No Womb are not sellouts or elitists. They are women who have pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and they want for themselves what most women have wanted throughout history: A man who will stay by their side, a man who will provide for her and their children. Is it really that much to ask? If monogamy and marriage are for white people, and if they find it with a white man, why does that bother you, Dr. Goddess? More Black men for you, right?

Yes, you showed some high profile cases of white men leaving their wives. But white men don’t abandon their women and children at the rate Black men do. They don’t. You know it and I know it. These women seem pretty happy with their white husbands and tan-skinned children, Dr. Goddess. They’re not hurting you.

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Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

K. Michelkcdrgoddessarts I'm allowing you to give the final word on the subject. Say your piece, and move on. The constant trolling of the site is getting annoying. I'll be courteous, and let you have your final words. But after that, kindly leave.

kc 34 pts

Christelyn K. Micheldrgoddessarts

Are you including to me, here?

I have been a loyal reader of this site since its inception. I speak often with the young black girls from low-income backgrounds I teach every day about self respect, self-love and laying the groundwork now (through study, extracurricular activities and hobbies) for a successful, fulfilled life later on. I strongly believe in the general concept of NWNW.

What exactly is the issue here? That we disagree now and again? I truly am confused about what's happening.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

KC, you should not have been included in the final word post--just K. Michel and Dr. G. I know who these folks are on Twitter. Of course you're allowed to disagree. kc K. Michel drgoddessarts

drgoddessarts 14 pts

kcChristelyn K. Michel For the record, KC, there is no one that doesn't believe in the general concept of Black women valuing themselves, having options and living happy and healthy. But, as they say and certainly, when it comes to NWNW, the devil is in the details---literally.

drgoddessarts 14 pts

kcChristelyn K. Michel I should say there's no one that I know and in MY circles who doesn't believe in valuing Black women.

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Christelyn K. Michelkc TROLLING???!!! God, you are nuts, Christelyn. YOU wrote a post with MY name in it, put MY picture at the top but *I* am trolling? K. Michel comes in, offers respectful analysis and asks questions but he's trolling? KC is an *obvious* supporter of this site and has questioned your (obviously) poor leadership and your support of white supremacist thought but KC is trolling?! You have GOT to be kidding me. I'll tell you one thing, though, you will think twice the next time you try to use your bully pulpit to come at me with your nonsense, Christelyn. I don't have to and I *won't* tolerate it.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

You have your place, I have mine. You dish, you eat. Buh bye. drgoddessarts K. Michel kc

eugeniamitchell 3482 pts

drgoddessartsChristelyn Well you've told us, thanks bye!

kc 34 pts

I need to figure out why it's okay for Jay from Philly to tell a woman he doesn't know that she needs to have sex so she'll be less angry. That's sexual harassment over the internet, and it should be unacceptable here!

If the men who come here are free to say sexually suggestive/aggressive comments to black women simply because they disagree, how can you claim you're working to protect black women?

If a man wants to stand up for a woman, he has all the tools he needs. A gentleman doesn't need to attack another woman in a sexual manner. Would any of you be happy if you heard husbands were on the internet telling women they needed to have more sex to be less angry?

Disgusting.

Robynne 232 pts

Unnu have time fi argue wid eediots.

(You all have time to argue with idiots).

Some people are intellectually dishonest and do not have the interests of bw at heart. Male identified women. especially bm identified females are a threat to other women. These are the types that will throw a bw or a black girl under the bus in order to save some undeserving miscreant, because you know, he is a black male. See Gina's blog whataboutourdaughters for numerous cases of this happening. Apparently bw who look out for themselves instead of perfect strangers because of a shared phenotype are self-hating. Especially when the bm collective never publicly defend bw. But bw must go through lengths to defend this said collective. Go figure.

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Robynne I hope you're not calling me an idiot. I really hope not. Further, Gina is a good colleague of mine and brought me into Blogging While Brown to be a SPEAKER, so pointing folks to What About Our Daughters is fruitless in my case (although I like the blog). I'm not a male identified woman, in the least bit. I guess the name "Dr. Goddess" certainly gives off the vibe that I would be male-identified. SMH.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

Were you aware Gina blogged for NWNW? Bet you gonna go tell her how disappointed you are and shame her about it, huh? drgoddessarts Robynne

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Christelyn Robynne ALOT of people initially blogged for NWNW!!! I wrote what I felt about all of those bloggers in my first post: http://drgoddess.com/nwnw There's no need to shame Gina about it. Gina's my girl! LOL!!

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

No shaming Gina at all. She has much respect from me, and she's a clear thinker, with the well-being of black girls and women at the forefront, always. Dr. Goddess, what's your bottom line? I'll let you and KC have the last word, and this is over with. Speak your (final) piece and then move on. drgoddessarts Robynne

Robynne 232 pts

"When yuh trow stone innah pigsty, pig squeal." ~ When you throw a stone into a pigsty, the pig squeals. Funny how you did not address the core of my post - the fact that you want black women as a collective to keep supporting black men at every turn, when the latter have no interest in doing the same as a collective with regards to bw. Why should AABW continue to support a collective that literally throws them under the bus at every turn? Note that I am speaking of the collective, since the fact that bwe bloggers are speaking of the collective generally seems to escape some people.

drgoddessarts

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Robynne Um, you commented 4 minutes after I commented, I'm not stupid. I just don't let you hussies say whatever you want to say and let it go unchallenged and you don't like that. I've already addressed everything you've said in this post ad nauseum. READ.

Robynne 232 pts

LOL!!!! I'm not surprised you said that. Ah well. I am not one to argue with the disingenuous. It's already been called out, and you obliged by giving a blow by blow demonstration :) drgoddessarts

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Robynne I'm disingenuous because I don't want to repeat myself ad nauseum? Right. Obviously, I disagree with your assessment. There are Black men who stand up for Black women all the time. You all choose to ignore them. Even the Nation of Islam flashes "RESPECT AND PROTECT THE BLACK WOMAN" at every large gathering, somewhere, usually across a gigantic screen. There are many examples and sometimes it's complicated, like it is in EVERY community. The fact is, this entire country throws Black women under the bus. What do you plan to do about that or do you only want to be involved in statements that hold Black men accountable, only? SMH. Carry on, Ma'am...

Pearl 2251 pts

Well aside from all this does anyone thank the lord everytime they see a little black boy with a huge backpack and glasses sitting at 'the losers' table? I know I do!

kc 34 pts

I've just re-read and digested what Jay from Philly has said, and I am completely stunned that he's gotten a pass from nearly everyone here at BB&W.

Not only are his comments completely devoid of fact and based entirely on personal anecdotes and observations of situations relevant only to his own personal environment, he makes wide-sweeping judgements about any and all black people in this so-called American "underclass". His comments about welfare in particular are more based in myth than fact, and he shows little understanding of the history behind social (entitlement/welfare) programs within the United States.

I do not accept Jay from Philly as someone in the corner of black women, despite his surface claims. I ask that the women here take a second, close look at what he's said.

Pearl 2251 pts

kc Do you live in a black community? .. Not all black communities are like this some are quite quiet... like Ladera Heights in La

kc 34 pts

Pearl

I don't currently live in a black neighborhood, but I did spend the first years of my life in a Midwestern ghetto that was mainly black. I attended a private school there during kindergarten (as part of the school voucher program). When our family moved to a neighboring suburb that had an even mix of black and white families (a little more white than black), I attended a magnet school made up in large part of low-income, highly intelligent black children.

Pearl 2251 pts

kc Well, I live in a bad neighborhood and some of the things that this man says is true in the neighborhood I live in. I understand how you feel though, I would not want some one to generalize me because of where I come from and where I live.

kc 34 pts

Pearl

I work "in a bad neighborhood" up close and personal with low-income women, men and children on a daily basis, many of whom depend on pubic assistance and welfare to help them during rough times. The fact of the matter is, Jay from Philly knows very little about the welfare process (the fact that he says entire generations are being "raised on Welfare" indicates his ignorance).

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

kc, just because Jay's comments aren't as "PC" as you'd like doesn't lend them any less credibility. I've also witnessed what he speaks about. And if you can look at the AA community and not see a stinking, smoldering pock about to explode, then you might need to take a good look. kc Pearl

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Christelyn kcPearl "And if you can look at the AA community and not see a stinking, smoldering pock about to explode, then you might need to take a good look." <<--- This, coming from someone who doesn't live in a Black community. Ah, this is the kind of refreshing, self-hating drivel I have come to express from Christelyn. Thank you, hon, you're the PERFECT person to run a campaign directed at the Black community. SMH... Jesus, Lawd... Help Her! This is a shame on so many levels...

kc 34 pts

Christelyn Pearl

It's not about "being PC". Please don't reduce my argument and thoughts to something as simple as "I just don't like how he says it".

He wrote "The lid has been kept on for a good long time, but now a government debt crisis looms, and the taxpayer funds needed to sustain the ethnically monochromatic hellhole of crime, pollution, hopelessness, guns, drugs, and death you extol are getting turned off."

That paragraph doesn't set off any alarms for you at all? His language is similar to that of white nationalist groups (whether he realizes this or not), and although I do not wish to insinuate that he is a white nationalist, this type of damaging rhetoric does not help any of us in the least.

drgoddessarts 14 pts

kc Thank you for your kindness and clarity. The implicit approval of this type of sexism, misogyny, stereotyping of the Black community and/or Black males is what sparked my initial distaste for NWNW. When Christelyn approved of a Black woman's post calling her neighbors hoodrats and filled it with stereotypes, that is when I dismissed Christelyn as anyone even remotely concerned about the Black community. Jay is clueless, as you've so aptly indicated and he's talking to a group of clueless, self-hating people if they approve, are apologists for or otherwise approve of his ridiculousness. He has more commentary here: http://drgoddess.com/nwnw2 (scroll down). It's just shameful and that's why I can't take these people seriously or lend them any credibility, whatsoever.

kc 34 pts

drgoddessarts

I'm here to support black women in the best way that I know how, and that does not include listening to Jay stereotype and shame black women.

He is not married to a black woman. He is not invested in the black community. His entire point seems not that the black community can and will improve, or even that black women deserve better and will have better, but that black women who manage to escape the "hellhole" of blackness by marrying a white man and having "tan skinned" children have succeeded in a way most other black women never will.

It's disgusting and I am frankly quite disgusted that he's getting thumbs up on this type of backwards sentiment.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

Oh ye who knows little. Jay is, indeed, married to a black woman. He met her while he was working as a corrections officer. kc drgoddessarts

kc 34 pts

Christelyn drgoddessarts

I assumed wrongly because of the language he used: "She got along with the black people in the office the best".

Given that I know now with certainty that his wife is black, I am even more perturbed and dismayed that his comments are acceptable here.

Is he getting a pass because he has a black wife? I hope that is not the case.

kc 34 pts

Christelyn drgoddessarts

I'd also like to add that I really don't want this conversation to devolve into personal insults (and I see you've started a bit, so I'm asking you to stop). I've read through this blog, and you guys have said some awful things to each other. I do not want to be part of such mudslinging. It serves no purpose.

drgoddessarts 14 pts

kcChristelyn It seems that anybody who marries interracially, uses their black or white spouse as a trophy and/or disparages the Black community, in general, and Black men, in particular, gets a pass here. Not From Me.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

He gets a pass because we don't censor opinions. The very reason YOU are here is the reason HE is here. You can't have it both ways. People may not like what you and goddess have to say, but for now, I'm letting you say it. This isn't a right, this is a courtesy. kc drgoddessarts

drgoddessarts 14 pts

kcChristelyn KC and others, I'm sorry but this is just Christelyn's immature M.O. I've told my story of what happened when I asked some BASIC questions trying to understand NWNW and that was in 2010. I just saw this "Open Letter to NWNW" about yet another Black woman's experience trying to respectfully approach Christelyn and understand this whack campaign in 2011. Her response: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/urban-scientist/2011/09/23/an-open-letter-to-nwnw/

drgoddessarts 14 pts

Christelyn kc Bull. Sh*t. I would never, ever, EVER run a campaign and let some random yahoo abuse the participants, the people who come just looking for answers, the whole nine. YOU, Christelyn, PUBLISHED a blog on THIS. SITE. that totally trashed the Black community, allowed another Black woman to go on and on about the hoodrats she couldn't wait to get away from and totally stereotyped a Black woman just because she saw a moving truck and that she was by herself one day. She revealed that a Black man showed up the next day to help but by then, she'd totally trashed this woman with a million and one assumptions. YOU published it, nobody else. When YOU were criticized for publishing it, YOU justified it. And you've done it over and over and over again. Please take that "free speech" nonsense somewhere else. If *I* am running a campaign to uplift the Black community, there is NO. WAY. I'm gonna let somebody come into the comment section, let alone PUBLISH them, talking that white supremacist trash. But you know why you allow it? And you know why you publish it? Because you're a self-hating Black woman who BELIEVES IT, plain and simple. And THAT is why you will stay losing.

kc 34 pts

Christelyn drgoddessarts

I'm not sure why you believe I would want to censor Jay's opinions. Have I ever said he shouldn't be allowed to post his thoughts, that he should be banned, or that he should never be allowed to read BB&W? We both know the answer is "no".

What I don't understand is how Jay from Philly is not called out on his non-factual statements about African Americans in general (the conversation has evolved from general statements about an assumed black underclass), his incorrect claims about welfare and social (entitlement) programs and his sexist, creepy comments.

Please don't make this about me. This is not about me. This is about what I expect from Beyond Black and White as a website, and what I expect from you as a leader and moderator of this blog.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

So is that your last word, then? Because I've said what my opinion is, and I'm tiring of the circular arguments. kc drgoddessarts

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

Watch yourself. This is not your turf. This is mine. drgoddessarts kc

eugeniamitchell 3482 pts

Christelyn I'm not really understanding why ppl are still here. If you don't like this blog, you don't like this post, you don't like NWNW, you don't think it represents you as bw, you don't like what Jay had to say, you don't like Chris. No one is required to do anything special specifically for you to make you feel okay about all of this, you not that important. Get the hell outta here b/c you're not going to change anything here it's not gonna happen. Go write your own blog, go start your own movement (which I still have yet to see any naysayer) but get some gone, please, This is just weird.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

It is weird but in a morbid sort of way. I honestly think it's because they want/need the attention. They see they have an audience and they want to exploit it. eugeniamitchell

kc 34 pts

drgoddessartsChristelyn

Guys, please don't do this. Why are you two fighting each other like this? No threats, please.

You guys both have interesting things to say, and are simply addressing the issues black women face from opposite sides of the same coin.

I have love for all of you who try to support black women and help women see beyond what the world assumes is best for them.

Good luck to you both.

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

Oh My GAWD! I'm Jay From Philly?! When the heck did that happen? Dr. Goddess...really? Come on. Like I'd even have time. Check his tone...does he even sound like me? Really? LMAO...Jay, come in here and help me out!

Christelyn 3167 pts moderator

Well, I guess the follow up post he sent me tomorrow may have to go under analysis...hhahaha

Pearl 2251 pts

This is the most craziest thing, you know I keep reading this page and this message and next door to my house on the left is this Guatemalen (idk the spelling) immigrant family and they have you know ALOT of kids and they are all by the same daddy, the daddy he gets up and he makes money fixing cars and painting stuff and just doing odd jobs.. I love that every time I see these people they are walking down the street literally in packs (because they don't have a car) of their families. They always drop their kids off at school and pick them up on time (that doesnt mean anything but i just admire that). I know NO immigrant families leaving their kids and the mother no matter how bad the situation is. Idk but I think thy have it harder than blacks right? I mean because they are immigrants, I like my immigrant neighbors, I like their style. :D

K. Michel 8 pts

I actually wanted to speak to "Jay From Philly" on Dr. Goddess' site but the comment never officially appeared there (which I find odd). So, I'll reply to his comment here.

Believe it or not, Dr. Goddess is correct in what she says. None of the criticism toward NWNW (at least those coming from myself and Dr Goddess) is about Christelyn's interracial marriage. Some will believe that, some won't. What can you do?

It's moreso about the fact that Christelyn was never a bastion for healthy Black relationships before creating NWNW, or since creating it. With that being said, Christelyn certainly has the right to produce her own material, and most of us aren't knocking her for it. But, Christelyn came to the African-American public (us) with NWNW. In life, there are consequences for every (in)action. What can I point to that Christelyn has said or done that I can look to and say, "Okay, she has the best interest of EVERYONE in my community at heart"?

I'd love to hear from you, Jay From Philly. In case you're wondering, this is me "checking" you for disrespecting Dr. Goddess in your comment. You should really know better than that...

Toni_M 4713 pts

K. Michel I am seriously so baffled by the willful ignorance that I am THISCLOSE to breaking into a old negro spiritual. I'm talking something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eiI52WluF0

First, how in the world is a site geared towards I N T E R R A C I A L D A T I N G about "black relationships"? Of course she's not a bastian for "healthy black relationships"! THIS IS A FREAKING IRR site! What we're about is healthy relationships period.Not "nothing but a brotha", not "black kings", not "waiting on my black man", not "open relationships w/ BM because a good black man is hard to find", not "man-sharing and piece of man", not "having several kids out of wedlock by men who can't be bothered to be involved with raising their offspring", not "lets ignore the pain and suffering that black women go through so we can be better mules for the black community, not "lets throw black female victims under the bus because we need to defend their black male predator, not "lets ignore the fact that the black community only cares about a black woman when she can be used to stick it to the devil white man", not "black girls are whores from birth, and their innocence and wellbeing isn't worth protecting, not "let ourselves be co-opted by black male centric thinking because racism affects us all...but somehow black men need our protection more than they need to protect us", not "come into someone else's house and lie about how we treated them because we are false as hell". NOT NOT NOT any of that.

I hope you are no longer confused, and if you are I can neither feel nor reach you.

WE are our own community, a community of women and men reaching out to other women and trying to help them the best way we can. Acknowledging each other in a way that is simply NOT BM-identified or centric. It never will be. My community is every person I elect to be connected to, that I can give to and who gives back in kind. Because that's what a true community does. It does not police people about their interracial marriages, it does not pretend that a black women having kids out of wedlock is somehow easier on her than waiting to be married. It does not lie, manipulate, play dumb, bully, harrass, bullshit.

So you, your friends, can pack it up, put it in a bag, and skip merrily down the road to Looneyville.

Godspeed, goodbye, and good luck.

Pearl 2251 pts

Toni_MK. Michel Oh Mah Gahhh..! YES , (DO YALL GET IT NOOOW?) I all of you do... because it could not have been said any better!