LMU Book Signing Full of Young, Black Women and Fathers Concerned for Their Daughters

LMU Book Signing Full of Young, Black Women and Fathers Concerned for Their Daughters

Besides completely selling out of books, a couple things happened that reinforced the necessity for me to continue to nag young college girls to maximize ALL their dating options and not just hang out in the dorms painting each other’s toenails on Friday night. Also had a poignant moment with a black father who is struggling with the possibility of having a non-black son-in law.

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Last night Janice and I did a book signing at our alma mater, Loyola Marymount University Los Angeles (go Lions!!). We packed the house and sold out of all our books.

I got to drool over the newly-built kick-arse library, complete with Macs, a cafe, and a modern-lodge style study area with a roaring fire. Then they stuck it to me real good by putting us on the top floor looking at the window wall that overlooked Marina Del Rey and twisted that knife for the final kill. Yep. I’m jelly as hayell.

Nice to know we can pack a room of young kids…viva diversity!

 

When it Comes to Interracial Dating, There’s Still a Lot to Overcome

Two things struck me during our book discussion that I wanted to share. The young black and Latino girls in attendance STILL face issues with interracial relationships. The black girls wonder if non-black men are interested in them more than just a fetish. They asked me how to know how to identify non-black men who show interest in them (yes, the overtures are often different from what they’re used to). The Latino girls wring their hands about dealing with issues of colorism when dating black men, because being “too dark” will send all the grandmas and aunties to church praying and lighting candles in hopes that the children of such unions will take after the fairer-skinned parent.

College Girl Jumps to Defense of Black Men

Young black men were also in attendance and stayed mostly silent. As a former student, I know for a fact that each and every one of those boys are prime cuts at the university because they outnumber the girls by a 1-10 ratio, at least. After the discussion, one of the black girls felt it necessary to stand up for the brothers and asked Janice and I if we made provisions in our book so that black women were reminded about “the good brothers.” The silent boys nodded their heads in agreement, so I straight out asked her, “Why do you feel the need to speak up for these men? Why do you feel like they can’t speak for themselves? This is an open forum and they are free to speak. What compelled you to stand up for people who are welcome to contribute to the conversation? Please know if it is not your sole responsibility to “uplift” the brothers while you’re in college. Maximize all your dating opportunities as I’m sure THEY are.” This was met with a round of applause.

One Successful Black Father Recognizes the Challenges His Daughters Face

The other thing that struck me was the two successful black men who came to our discussion in the interest of their daughters. One of them, a divorced prominent attorney who serves on a variety of boards came because one daughter is involved with a Brazilian man, and the other, a Columbia law school student, pointedly asked her father if he would be offended if she came home with a white boyfriend.

 

Because he loves his daughter, he told her he would embrace whomever she loved. But as a black man, he admitted that he struggled internally with this idea. “It would be my preference that my daughters married black men.” I was impressed with his pointed honesty. He went on. “But when I was in college, all the black football and basketball players dated (and eventually married) white women and openly voiced their distaste for their own women. He admitted that people were surprised that a “black man of his stature” was not married to a white woman himself. He relayed that to the audience that people often said, “You’re a lawyer! You must be married to a white woman!” He conceded that among his peers, he’s a minority in proclaiming his resounding preference for black women.

This man had a unique understanding of what young black women–and his daughters–are going through in the relationship market. He admitted his dissonance and for that he had my complete respect. To put aside your own ego for the happiness and fulfillment of your children is the measure of a loving father.

Another father with a young adult daughter told us he knew early on that his daughter, schooled in elite private schools, was probably destined to swirl. So he bought not one, but TEN books for his daughter and the rest were reserved for gifts for the single black women in his life.

Don’t Overlook the “Nerds,” Ladies!

I made sure that I told each and every one of those ladies to maximize their dating options and Law Wanxi would have been proud to know that I advised them not to overlook the STEM students. They may be quiet and nerdy now but they’ll eventually be the bosses of all the jocks and frat boys!

 

 

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BWWithOtherBrothers 421 pts

Just posted this thread on the FB page and they find it helpful!

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

Christalyn...good for you on speaking up for the "nerds," as I am one.

browniegirl360 205 pts

 Kiwiwriter I too am a nerd and proud of it....I used to get called a "bookworm" all the time.

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zaianewms 35 pts

 Kia Thank goodness somebody said it!

 

browniegirl360 205 pts

 zaianewms  Kia  I agree, since when does our preference for white and other non black men meant it had anything to do with black men?

mdiva2002 250 pts

SMH, I'm not surprised that the young black men in the audience didn't speak up. I wonder if some of the guys even knew the book was targeted for women esp. black women dating interracially  and weren't just  going there to make their own kind of swirl with curious non-black women looking to date out.  

 

Kudos, Christelyn for shooting down Sister Souljah in the making hopefully she will go home and think long and hard about your words of wisdom. Life is too short to fight other's battle she needs to live on her own terms and no one else's. 

 

Kudos again, for including the nerdy guys as part of the young women dating pool. I know first hand dating a couple of nerds here and there that they can be really sweet, attentive, and can make the best boyfriends and even potential husbands. I really wish there was a book for young girls and women to not overlook the brainy cuties. 

DeepWater 2458 pts

 mdiva2002   Guuuurrrl, love nerdy types.  I fell in love with Steve Jobs (MacInstosh, Apple) long before the younger folk now ever heard of him, and dated fellas like him during the early 80s.    Obviously I have not commented here earlier in that I've not had a faddah that cared and the forum sounds interesting and agree with you and other commenters about the need for these men to put other Black men in check and stop tryin' to claim what ain't theirs.   Black males are no longer a part of my offline real everyday life and doubt so ever again and I'm the much better for it.  I agree that Ms. Karazin should take said forum to a multitude of cities and/or settings and give incalculable and invaluable information to young Black women now and in the future so their hearts and lives aren't destroyed, manipulated, and/or stolen from them.  

DeepWater 2458 pts

 mdiva2002  Was married to a nerd then too.

ScorpioEnigma09 80 pts

 mdiva2002  I LOVE nerds but then again I am one myself :)

ScorpioEnigma09 80 pts

It's interesting that one of the fathers admitted he struggles with the idea or possibility of his daughter ending up with a nonBM.  I grew up in NorCal and before I went to college my dad sat me down and told me that of the BW in his professional circle (he's a surgeon), the BW who are married are increasingly married to WM/AM.  That's just the reality.  There aren't a lot of BM in college and grad school and while he thought it was unfortunate, he accepted it because his main priority is that his daughters (I'm 1 of 3) are married to men who love us, no matter his color.  My mom actually had a problem that I didn't go after the black guys at my school. She's changed her tune now though.

 

As for the BM in the audience, why didn't they speak up?  I'd rather hear from them than from the BW defending them.

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

By the way, Christelyn, I bought the book some time ago, and I showed it to Mr. PVW this morning as I told him about the young lady of the GAT-DL you described. He liked the concept of swirling vanilla and chocolate ice creams, but he gave it an interesting twist. He's vanilla ice cream, and I'm his hot fudge! Yummm! He added another twist to it, in light of us doing one of those ancestry tests. He's 99% white, 1% Asian (presume Native American), I'm 70% black, 27% white, 3% Asian (presume Native American, not likely South Asian). Taking it to another level, I said, you're vanilla ice cream with a hint of some Native spice while I'm hot fudge of the milk chocolate type--lightened up a tad with a bit of milk, and some Native spice in the flavoring.....Tee hee....

Christelyn 8743 pts moderator

 pioneervalleywoman What's the name of the test kit? I'd love to know what my ancestry is. If there's some Native American, I might have a chance at getting my kids in Dartmouth! ;-)

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Christelyn 8743 pts moderator

 Kia No this college event was free. Ain't no way college students can afford a $30 admission! The only charges were for the books, which were $15.00

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VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 Kia I can have sympathy for that man's situation because it is somewhat of a natural thing for men who have been good fathers to want their daughters to date and marry men that mirror them; call it culture, call it inherent human narcissism, I don't know. But the man in question was married to black woman himself so it does make sense that he probably had it in his own mind that he thought his wife was great enough to marry, that his daughters should be considered equally as special. 

 

I think he deserves credit for opening his eyes to the reality that he'd prefer to see his daughter with a good man, full stop. Not sitting around wasting her life waiting for a black man of his own heart when he knows they are extremely rare. Maybe now he will think further and find issue with all of the other things you've described. 

 

And I just see the daughter asking her father about IR as a sign of respect that comes in father/daughter relationships. Women with good fathers tend to want to marry men just like their dads. They also want to please their fathers with good choices in their lives after a good upbringing. And it wasn't like the dad said no. Some people are not as readily progressive to realize that a woman can still pick man like their fathers even if he's not the same race. Even Chris has talked about how she had to learn this same lesson.

 

I remember once before talking in a topic about recognizing that there are good black men out there, but that doesn't mean those are the men we want. Saying that often black women who are or become open to IR for the very fact that they had black fathers and positive male figures in their lives. And when they looked out to select a partner they found that the men that most mirrored the ideals of their fathers were non black men.  

 

I mean note, most of the men who are actually for, or come around to IR dating for black women are these black men with daughters - that think, wait a minute, my little girl deserves to be just as happy as her mother made me. Are these black men with black wives that think, wait a minute, other black women deserve to be just as happy as my wife made me.  Marriage and fatherhood often gives men the perspective to think beyond themselves and their needs and that's what we're seeing in these men.

 

I think it's great that these men are opening themselves. We can't sit here and act as we all came straight out of the gait with all of the epiphanies of IR relationships. Some things do have to be realized and learned. I don't really think we can expect black men to just get this right away when they aren't the ones having to experience this, and there are still droves of black women out there that still don't get it. Personally I'd prefer to see men like this than black men married to white women and expecting their biracial daughters to marry black men, because I'm sure they exist.

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

@VintageNarcissa @Kia This is exactly what my dad had to get used to in thinking about what my future husband would look like. He had the idea that my ideal would be a black man, but he came to realize that if he wanted a man to treat his baby girl right, it was likely it would not be a black man. I remember when I first introduced him (we had been dating for some time, and I'd already met his family). It was a weekend that I wanted to get some things out of my parents' house (several states away, ie., a four hour drive). I rented a u-haul and Mr. PVW drove it down, packed it with the help of some of my dad's younger black male friends in the neighborhood (Mr. PVW's first real experience of sensing bm resentment of wm with bm--nothing overt, but he could sense the vibes), sat down to lunch with the parents and got to know them and then drove us back to my apartment. My dad didn't think a black man would do that sort of thing, the sort of care and regard to take care of me like that. He was certainly impressed, so when we got engaged and married about a year after, he felt good about it.

Alana 2 387 pts

It's great that you visited LMU, because the % of black people in CA is low anyway, so college girls should cast a wide net, ethnicity-wise.

 

I grew up as an invisible BG and thought it was normal for many, many years. Thanks to sites like these, I realize that I had more choices than single w/ kids or single w/o kids.

 

Although my father has never directly said what the man above did, when my parents came to visit, they gave me the Ralph Richard Banks book. My father also discussed the fact that many BM do not have their act together. Living in CA, he is also aware how many BM are searching for non-BW. He's not the most expressive, but it was a relief to hear that in their own way, my parents were accepting reality and indirectly giving their blessing, because life is easier when your parents don't strongly disapprove of your spouse.

AJ2011 2310 pts

What the fathers said is a sharp contrast to what that mother said to Professor Banks about her daughters needing to "find" love with African and Caribbean black men. I wish these black women could hear this perspective.

NewMaya 265 pts

These Bufoons actually think that they are on the same level as other men but these dumb asses dont have what Asian, White, Middle Eastern men have: a united race and strong families.  That is why they are successful.  These fools make some money and marry white women.  Then they screw up as we all know loser black men are famous for and then end up having to give their money to these white women who in turn marry white men.  What these damaged, smug, fatherless Negroes dont realize is that they are being laughed at on an international level. 

 

These Self Hating C***** arent forward thinking enough to know that things will come full circle and that this mass exodus will be the best thing to ever happen to beautiful, sophisticated, educated, progressive black women.

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jillodelight 516 pts

Also, I really appreciated the part of your book where talked about the best places for a BW to swirl.  I live near Dallas, TX where I rarely BW/WM but a bunch of other IR couples.  I need to plan a trip to San Antonio ;)

jillodelight 516 pts

This looks like it was awesome :) I'm glad this stuff is being addressed openly now.  I'm happy to hear about black men like that father speak the truth: they're truly outnumbered.  I don't think they're capable of admitting the black community is dead (it'd be too much for them) but at least they can see a lot BW are treated unfairly. Haha, that picture of the three awkward young BM: I think they wandered into the wrong IR panel. What I don't get about guys like that is that I'm sure they date non-BW but they want BW to always remember the "good" BM because their egos are mildly bruised *eyeroll* “You’re a lawyer! You must be married to a white woman!” Truly, sick and bizarre isn't?

 

I have to admit Chris, that I have a hard time relating to non-BW women when it comes to colorism. Most just don't get it, in my opinion. Most BM shield their non-BW from black issues and non-BW believe if they need to know something about the BC, the BM will tell them. I remember I was going to class one day when I saw a HW/BM couple and their 2 children. They were pushing them in strollers and the dad wanted to switch because his stroller kept getting stuck. The mom didn't want to switch and jokingly the dad goes "That's ok, I wanted the light skinned kid anyway." The mom just laughed it off because she didn't quite understand. Most non-BW don't even know a lot of BM choose them for their lighter skin and like a lot of light skinned BW, they're in denial about it. I'm sure a lot BM are right along with relatives in hoping the kid's come out lighter than them. I always found it hard to relate to most non-BW/biracial women/lighter BW: it really does seem like we live in two different worlds.  One of my best friends, a WW, is the only non-BW who has ever asked me about colorism.  I showed her a picture of Beyonce and Kelly Rowland and tried to explain to her that their skin shades were different. She just shook her head and said "No, they both look black to me." If only BM saw us the way she sees BW lol

Alana 2 387 pts

 jillodelight I think that non-WW are aware of colorism within their own community, but as for those who date/marry BM, who knows?

browniegirl360 205 pts

 jillodelight I told a friend of mine that when it comes to color whites are monolithic. all they see is black...this is something that bi-racial blacks need to understand also.

JemITO 38 pts

Random, but can I say I just wish I'd heard more from you in Atlanta? The moderator was a bit long winded and took away from your time. When you did speak it was really insightful and there was a lot to be gleaned from it.

Christelyn 8743 pts moderator

 JemITO That sometimes happens when you have a large panel. But if you have any specific questions, you can hit me up at christeyn@beyondblackwhite.com. Thanks for coming!

NewMaya 265 pts

 Christelyn   JemITO

 Are you going to put a schedule out to let us know where you will be appearing for the rest of the year and going into the next year?

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 NewMaya  Christelyn   JemITO Come back to New York! :D 

NewMaya 265 pts

Someone needs to pose the question to more black men (especially affluent) about how they feel about black girls in affluent neighborhoods.  They seem to be invisible.  I was watching some kids run for cross country today in my neighborhood.  I live in an affluent neighborhood.  All of the boys were running together black, white, asian, etc.  The biracial girls were right in there with the white girls and the black girls seemed separate from everyone.  The biracial girls looked like white girls with tans.  Black parents need to start dialoguing about the quality of life for black girls in these suburbs and whtat they can do to enhance.  That is a good talking point for promoting your book.

NewMaya 265 pts

When I say affluent black men, I mean daughters of affluent black men. 

onmywayup 1749 pts

 NewMaya I agree about this as a black woman who grew up in affluent suburbs.  Though I did manage to have acquaintances/friends of all races in some areas, there were other areas I lived in where I was treated like an alien.  In my last high school, there was a black girl--we'll call her Sara--who mingled with mostly white people...but I will never forget one time when I overheard one of her (white) friends (we'll call her Abbey) telling another person that Sara was "whiter" than Abbey was.  I was surprised because before then, I had only heard other black people refer to other black people as "white" or "white-acting."  It was hard for me to make friends in that last school because no one--black, white, or otherwise--liked the fact that I did not fit into a prescribed black box.

NewMaya 265 pts

 onthewaydown

 I used to have a young black co-worker (male)  who was roommates with a white guy.  This coworker was very "white acting".  The roommates girlfriend (a white girl) came over to visit one day.  During a conversation, the girlfriend told the black guy that he was the whitest black man that she had ever met.  He got so upset that he threw her out of the apartment.

 

I also heard a black girl told she was white acting by a ww in a shoe store years ago.  I also remember during the OJ trial when a lot of OJ' and Nicole's crowd stated that OJ turned himself into a white man. 

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 “Why do you feel the need to speak up for these men? Why do you feel like they can’t speak for themselves? This is an open forum and they are free to speak. What compelled you to stand up for people who are welcome to contribute to the conversation? Please know if it is not your sole responsibility to “uplift” the brothers while you’re in college. Maximize all your dating opportunities as I’m sure THEY are.”

 

SNAP! Yes! Let them know Chris! This looks like it was an awesome event. I wish I could have been there. I wish I had the money, I would so be a groupie and follow the tour all over the country :D 

temple 793 pts

So exciting to see such a diverse group of people.  Christelyn, was this the most diverse group in terms of race since you & Janice began your signing tour & was LMU this diverse when you were a student there?

Great pics, btw.

Christelyn 8743 pts moderator

 temple Yes it was. It was an awesome sight.

Neecy 1941 pts

LOL @ the Black woman asking about Black men *possibly* being *ADDED* to the book. *sigh* It never ends. LOL!

Toni_M 18807 pts moderator

Neecy

I am just so annoyed, and I know I shouldn't be because it's such a familiar situation, but it still grinds my gears when I see black women groveling like this. They probably didn't realize that they were but yes, that's what they were doing. I would have cringed all over creation if I were there, because it's just sad that a black woman can't just straight up say, "I want to date and marry men who aren't black", without running to a group that has no problem saying flat out they don't want black women and asking their approval to date out and even showering them with attention and approval so they don't take THEIR PERSONAL DECISIONS to heart, because "I will always love you, you good black man (TM)!"

 

*face palm*

 

Even worse, demanding other black women enable their ability to grovel. :/ Ugh.

 

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 Toni_M  Neecy Especially young women still in college. I mean I honestly shouldn't be surprised because when I was in college I used to go to the black student union meetings when the topic would be IR dating and it was the same thing parroted. The black women would me like, Oh I'm waiting for my good black man and I don't want to settle. The black men would be like, Oh we only use white women for sex in college but we want to marry black women. And I'd be in the corner rolling my eyes. 

NewMaya 265 pts

 Toni_M  Neecy

Even black men who dont agree with what other black men do dont speak against them.  There is like this unwritten rule.  A lot of black men think that black women have been dirty by black men (dissed). 

Neecy 1941 pts

Girl!

I just... Where do they get all this energy to SISTER SOLDIER all damn day everyday for Black men? LOL! Its tiring just watching and listening to them 2/4/7! Must be some serious Wheaties eating going on every morning.

jillodelight 516 pts

 Neecy Funny, how some BW don't want pro-IR BW to treat pro-IR BM with the same cool indifference they show most BW.  Why's it so hard to understand your loyalty and support aren't ever reciprocated?

NewMaya 265 pts

 jillodelight  Neecy

I had a bf coworker who constanly kissed up to our arrogant, indifferent-to-black- women, married-to-an- Asian- woman black male coworker.  I used to get so pissed at her. These men tend to be super shallow.  Then a white female coworker told her during a conversation that black men marry white women as soon as they get money. This chick actually caught an attitude.

Neecy 1941 pts

 NewMaya  jillodelight LOL

pioneervalleywoman 365 pts

I just spoke to Mr. PVW about this, and he had to chuckle. I showed him the book and read to him Christelyn's discussion of the young lady's GAT-DL comment, and he had to laugh in agreement. He sees what is going on; we go out into majority white social venues, and the numbers of bm/wf couples definitely outnumber the numbers of couples like us, wm/bf. He sees the looks bm give us when they see him with me, but they have nothing to say about bm with ww. Everyone knows what time it is, but these women just can't get a clue.

Neecy 1941 pts

EXACTLY. It's b/c some BW actually think it makes them look SOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD constantly working overtime to make BM feel "loved". They get on my nerves! lol

 

i don't even think most BW unerstand or even know the concept of reciprocation. if they did, this madness would have ended centuries ago!

luckystar428 208 pts

 Neecy

 If it were the other way around, black men sure as heck wouldn't ask about black women being included. NBABM black women are so delusional that it's ridiculous.

Neecy 1941 pts

Exactly. BM never give each other crap or a hard time about dating IR. And they will even fight tooth and nail against any Black woman trying to put a BM in an interracial relaitonship on blast - EVEN the BM in Black relatonships stick up for their bretheren in IR's.

 

BW do not understand the concept of unity within ourselves. Its sad.

PamelaFoster 610 pts

Go'd's continued blessings Christelyn  to you.  Can't wait until the movie hits the theaters!!!!

PamelaFoster 610 pts

@ NewMaya...I feel ya!  The blatant arrogance of many black men while I was in the military was disheartening.  It was okay for a myriad of rainbow women to desire them but sista's had cards pulled in a heartbeat.  I wound up telling them to keep their funky cards :))

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

I know what you mean. I had one co-worker who was married to a Okinawan woman (lets not even go into the GFs on the side) who took me to take for not giving black men the time of day. He they wanted to introduce me to some friends of his. I had to point out that the white men came correct to me while the black guys seemed to think that being black was enough for me entertain their attention. The double standard was aggravating. PamelaFoster 

NewMaya 265 pts

Another father with a young adult daughter told us he knew early on that his daughter, schooled in elite private schools, was probably destined to swirl. So he bought not one, but TEN books for his daughter and the rest were reserved for gifts for the single black women in his life.

 

You know that you HAVE to do a tour in EVERY major city.