Lord of the Flies and the De-evolution of Men in Cleveland, Texas

Mar 9th, in Black Women's Improvement Project (BWIP), Guests of the Inner Sanctum, Interviews, by Christelyn Karazin

Deborrah Cooper and I have a chat about a very dangerous entitlement mentality men use to dehumanize women.

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I thought I’d gotten disgusted over Dunbar Village. O.J. Simpson. Mike Tyson. R. Kelly. Chris Brown. Michael Vick. Sean “Puffy” Combs. Snoop Dog. Fifty-Cent. I could go on, but…why bother? We’d be here all day.

No other race does rallying behind miscreants better than black people do. We excuse and deny, say we don’t want to send another ‘brotha’ to jail, all the while acting like abused children who defend disgusting behavior because of some sick codependancy.

Now before you Guardians of All Things Dark & Lovely (aka GAT-DL) come in and say that white people have defended the indefensible, can we PLEASE stick to THIS CENTURY? Let me ask you, IN THIS CENTURY, when have you EVER seen an entire community of white people defend a Klansman for lynching someone? When have you seen a WHOLE TOWN rally around over a dozen cretins who raped an 11-year-old girl? Give me one story. Just one.

But all the men that I listed above and thousands of not-so-well-known but equally pathological black men who have done HORRENDOUS things, and then sure enough, they can count on the Black Cavalry (usually led by the chief recipients of abuse–other black women) will come a-riding in to give us the usual claptrap: “You don’t know the whole story.” You are getting very sleepy. “The punishment doesn’t fit the crime.” Look deep into my eyes. “The penal system is wholly racist against black men.” When you wake up, you will be a drooling zombie and agree with everything we say.

Now obviously, not every black person condones this behavior. In fact, I know that the majority of black people are outraged at this kind of behavior. But none of those people are getting on camera. The dumbest, most willfully ignorant and media whorish amongst us are the ones whose ugly mugs I see on television. In this new media world, with social networking that can bypass any stereotyping media outlet and FORCE THEM to report, there is no excuse for us to sit on our hands. Gina, blogger of What About Our Daughters has, as usual, led the charge on this. Change.org has a petition against the New York Times’ “blame the victim” reportage of the Cleveland, Texas stomach-churning events. But that isn’t enough. It’s high time we stop protecting those completely unworthy of it.

Listen to Deborrah Cooper and I discuss her theories of an emerging rape culture.

Deborrah Cooper Cleveland, TX rape interview by Christelyn

Here’s the latest update in the rape case. Take note of what is MOST concerning to the residents of Cleveland, Texas. (HINT: It’s not about the child’s welfare.)

MesaATLien

Hey everybody!! This is my first time posting on this blog, de-lurking to say something important.

Khadija over at the Sojourner's Passport has put a boot to my, and many other, behinds to do something to help young black girls who live in dangerous areas to better protect themselves. I suggest if you want to make a difference in someone's life, then please look at some of the actions that we are taking to educate young girls and please help some little girls whom you know are living in cesspools similar to Cleveland, TX.

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knockoutchick

These young men and boys have to pay for their crimes, but clearly the issue is a breakdown in community and normalization of dysfunction. Therefore Christelyn's "Lord of the Flies" title is more than appropriate.

If the "elders" in the community see fit to defend predatory behaviour you can imagine that these young men and boys have never been taught restraint. So if you have a mother who places no boundaries on you and an absent father....and further older men with the mindset of Quanell X, well we see what happens.

I would imagine this is not the first violent assault to happen in Cleveland, this is just the first to receive widespread media attention. And there are many "Clevelands" in the BC.

It is true that women and girls often end up brutalized but the male children also lose because they have not been taught how to behave in a functioning society.

The difficulty is in getting the adults to see this behaviour is abhorred by larger society. There are 6 and 7 year old children in Cleveland learning that rape is excusable.

Kels

Over at What About Our Daughters, there are some new video clips from the Quanell X rally. SMH, I don't know how many times I can say these people are sick but they are.

Meanwhile over in Galveston, a man molested and then stomped his 3 month old son to death. I assume he's black. I was too grossed out and upset to read the rest of the story to find out, sounds like the usual demonic crimes against women, children, and babies DBRs commit.

SMH.

NYCLisa

Let's not get too crazy here - I'm very upset about what happened in Cleveland, TX too, but we need to stick to facts.

That guy in Galveston is a young white man. He is a serial pedophile, and has been charged previously with child molestation. He is a guy that should never be around children, much less have been a father.

The murder happened sometime ago; they are now in the sentencing part of the trial since he has already been found guilty in Texas. The only question at this point is whether he is going to get life in prison or the death penalty - those are the two choices the jury has in front of them. His defense attorney is laboring to convince the jury that since the defendent was himself molested as a child, that he really couldn't control his impules and therefore should receive a life sentence instead of a death sentence.

I'm pulling for the death sentence.

Sorry, meant to type "impulses".

BTW, the prosecution has already pointed out the murder by itself warrants the death penalty, never mind the sexual abuse of the child before the murder, which was bad enough.

The defendent said he killed the little boy because he wouldn't stop crying and it was really getting on his nerves.

The mother of the child made him take the boy with him on a car trip to somewhere else in Texas because she was afraid he would not return to her once he got there, and the boy was the insurance policy that the defendent would return since she knew he didn't want to take care of the child. She figured that would definitely come back to her after he got tired of taking care of the boy. BTW, she herself has a history of perpetrating child abuse on children.

The defendent has a history of sexually molesting both girls and boys, starting when the defendent was only 12 years old.

I am definitely pulling for the chair. It's Texas, so that is probably what is going to happen.

I stand corrected. Most times when I read these disgusting stories, a DBR is usually the perp.

It's a sad and disgusting story.

pioneervalleywoman

Regarding the idea of pedophilia and a subgroup wanting to encourage, cultivate, it, I can't say I agree, but I must say that some current social mindsets and cultural practices, if anything, are encouraging it.

When we began to talk how many years ago of the right to teenagers to have sex as though they are truly grown women, it left room open for pedophiles to target teenagers and now young newly developing girls as though they were teenagers presumed to be capable of consenting to sex.

It is as though their bodies are speaking a message their minds and emotions are not expressing and are not capable of.

This is why my mom and dad made sure that I was well-protected as a young girl, going to school, hanging out and so forth, in how I dressed, all of it, because I developed early. I remember in 6th grade, being amongst the taller girls in the class, and able to wear grown women's clothes...But that didn't mean my parents let me look or present myself as a grown woman.

But teenagers are not grown women and children are not either, notwithstanding that their bodies make them seem capable.

Yes, it is true that in earlier generations, young women married at younger ages and raised families, ie., as teenagers. The differences there is that they married and had sex at 16 or so, with the permission of their parents--see the age of consent for marriage in most states.

Think of it this way, before teenagers were deemed capable of getting contraception from school or from Planned Parenthood because they were consenting to sex, it seems that people were willing to talk more about statutory rape. But the lines became blurred for teenagers, and now for some, they are blurring the lines for younger children.

I saw some information somewhere that a fair number of young girls becoming pregnant as teenagers are having children with grown men, not boys their age, as was imagined by the advocates for teenage sexual expression.

Younger girls who might be physically maturing are not emotionally mature to have sex, and if they seem to be, it is only because they have been sexualized, ie., exploited into thinking or acting sexually long before they are ready and should be thinking/acting that way.

Pedophiles now have in these instances, free license to target emotionally needy, sexually exploited girls.

As for the facebook page, something occurred to me; I have heard of cases of cyberbullying where certain children/teenagers are targeted by those who create fake facebook pages for them. So this young girl might not have created a facebook page; if her attackers took pictures of her, they could have created a fake page as though she created it, saying "she likes sex."

I am glad as well for the feminists who talk about these questions, dominance feminists like Catharine McKinnon who argued that some aspects of patriarchy is all about women's sexual exploitation. The response from those crazies who blame the child is part and parcel of black women lacking a gender consciousness--it is all about race and race from the perspective of black men who like having license to do what they want with women and who will do all they can to argue that they are not sexually exploiting women.

I agree with Ms. Cooper's earlier arguments about this--cultivating a rape culture (ie., the Sup. Ct. opinion that rejected the death penalty for rape in Louisiana) and wanting young girls to get hpv shots at ages as young as 11.

The expectation is that young girls will have sex, because that is what we have come to believe, that they have a right to sex lives, and this is about enabling young girls to be exploited, whether at that age or as older teenagers. But nobody talks about whether these young girls are capable of negotiating sexual relationships at their age, because statutory rape laws have become almost irrelevant pursuant to that mindset.

Hodan

this article by Khadija made me wanna cry and even induced the feeling to vomit. Its sad that its a necessity to read it and take the precautions both the author and commenter suggest for the safety of black girls:

Since You Keep Your Black Daughters Living As Unprotected Prey In Black Neighborhoods, You Should At
http://sojournerspassport.com/since-you-keep-your-black-daughters-living-as-unprotected-prey-in-black-neighborhoods-you-should-at-least-train-them-in-parkour-and-free-running/

Christelyn Karazin

I read it too. It is sad that things have gone this far, but not surprising. As she mentions, the writing has been on the wall for a long time now. I don't know if a parent raising a daughter in the "hood" could and would find and register a child in parkour, because doing the research to find such a class, registering your daughter and paying the fees would take the same type of complex thought it would take to figure out how to move out of the ghetto in the first place. However, I think pepper spray is an easily acquirable weapon that I believe most people have access to and can afford.

It would be interesting to hear some sane, coherent BM speak out on this subject.

Quanell X is an embarassment.

This is occurring in BC throughout the diaspora.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html

Where is this coming from? Why are young black men around the globe gang raping? What happened to moral and appreciation for humanity?!

It's sick. And I'm sick of hearing folks going on and on about how "all cultures do this". Yes, there have been non-black boys and men involved in gang rapes over the years. But the FACT is, this is happening all the time in low income black areas!! All the damn time. And the stories get more and more horrific. Black men and boys even gang raped a little 7 year old, recently!! 7 years old! If it's a not a racial and class issue, why aren't we hearing every few months about a white girls and women being raped by a pack of males! Why aren't we hearing about packs of Asian boys raping girls and women? Why do these horrific stories continue to have black men and boys as the violators? Because they are the ones doing the crime!!

And, ladies and gents, this is why my ass feels not a pang of guilt when I turn around and go in the opposite direction of a group of black men. I avoid teen boy of all colors, because they all tend to be little jerks. But I will avoid a group of grown ass black men in way that I wouldn't avoid a group of grown ass white men. I'm just being real. Look at those street harassment websites. In these women's stories, the harassers on the street are almost always black men.

Neecy

MORE proof of why BW with any brain matter left will never raise their daughter in Black dominated areas. And more reason why BW should stop procreating with BM at large.

Deborrah Cooper will be doing a live show tonight on this horrible issue and the response of the community.

10 p.m. EST.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askheartbeat/2011/03/13/at-eleven-she-cannot-give-consent

I'll be sure to tune in...thanks for letting us know, Kels!

Nkosazana

That second caller was a bit nutty. Sheeesh, I'm always a bit weary of "Afrocentric" since they are very found of hijacking my culture..

Congo and the Situation in America, not the same at all.

Feels a bit petty that people goes for the "slave master" excuse in America nowadays.. what is it 150 years ago?

I don't blame the massive rape problem in SA on the "White Man" I blame them for a lot of things but not that. Blaming the white man for those things takes away the responsibility of our men and makes them into mindless brutes that the stereotypes say that they are.

OK strike that. That satanic curse conspiracy lady is the nuttiest.

Also, Africa is not one culture so that woman after her is wrong about "African people" being Matriarchy by default.

It's hilarious how the afrocentric "edumacated" black folks think they know so much about Africa, as if it is made up of only one country and one culture. What a laugh! I wonder who's to blame for all the women and child rapes in the Sudan....I guess white people too, huh?

Oh its hilarious, since in my country theres more than 11 different cultures and language alone. Everyone treats their women and men differently.

Like I would not exactly call my culture matriarchy and my culture is one that black people like to brag about. If you want to talk about black women being really treated like mules? Then you can point at my half sisters, aunts and etc.

Oh and don't get me wrong I'm very proud of my culture ;)

Totally agree Nkosazana. When you can use a 400-year-old scape goat, keeping digging it up and beating it to keep excusing animalistic behavior is absurd, and it's really getting old. I think in general, non-blacks are getting tired of all the excuse making. WE are OUR problem NOW.

Dani

Get ready for more of blaming the child victim. There is an active minority who wants to legalize pedophilia and they have their people in the media and government. They are riding the coat tails of the gay rights movement (obviously the gay rights movement does not condone sex with children) the same way polygamists are. The public is being conditioned (via public smearing of victims) to believe children are capable of consenting to sex. Sad to see it's already working Cleveland, TX. I am willing to bet in 10-20 years child sex will be accepted.

I swear America becomes more and more like ancient Rome by the day....

Observer

Wow Dani, that is the most disturbing thing I've heard :(

beg to disagree with you Dani....no public other than perverted and brain washed garbage within the black community is being conditioned to accept child rape as the norm. Let's get real here, no sane functioning society will EVER accept gang rape of anyone regardless of age, let along what this case addresses. The same way that child bride is not normal or moral in any cultures no matter how much some try to make it.......rape of a child or pedophilia will never be normalized even in the most sexually open countries in Europe and Asia.

Pam in FL

It looks like there are now lots of loose tongues in Cleveland, TX. Just saw a clip of some BW telling a reporter that "it was a setup all the way". She says that the white people in the town are "tryin' to take the blacks' voices away" and they got that little girl to get all of these boys in trouble. As further proof, she pointed to the fact that the three black city council members are in the process of getting kicked off the council for some kind of corruption or malfeasance in office, and asks, "Do you think that is just a coincidence"?

Apparently the authentic black voice of this town belongs to young men that gang-rape preteen girls and videotape it. That is "keeping it real" in the AA community and those are the kinds of voices that this woman does not want to have silenced.

I mean, this just gets worse every time some negro apologist opens his or her mouth in this town that surely must be on the edge of Hell itself.

Isn't there any black person in this town that has the guts to step in front of a camera and say, "Those boys and those men did something so wrong and so evil that no excuse or rationalization can ever make it less that what it is is - a sick, perverse, heinous crime. I hope that whomever is found guilty gets the chair, and as far as -I'm concerned, that can't happen soon enough".

Just one black person, male or female? I know there's one there. Are they just too afraid of going against the "community"?

I feel like I'm gonna puke up, I feel so disgusted by this. Damn, this makes me so angry I feel like my eyes are getting crossed! Jesus!

Yup, I posted an article last night where folks were saying similar things.

The defenders of these thugs are making a strong concerted effort to turn this into a racial conspiracy.

It's amazing.

Deevine

Long time lurker, who wanted to contribute a link to a talk show on KGO in San Francisco that devoted an hour to the reaction aspect of this case that has been the focus. The talk show host spoke to an attorney of a couple of the defendants for a few minutes, and to a reporter, who the attorney misquoted her on the article that was published. I copied the link below, but if it doesn't allow you to instantly listen to it, I also included a link to the page so you can read about the March 10th Hour 2 @ 3pm show. http://www.kgoradio.com/sectional.asp?id=25697

I work for a Domestic Violence/Rape organization on the crisis line, actually I'm leaving now for work, and the way victims are treated in rape cases is just so deplorable, and unbelievable, that for a society so advanced as we supposedly are, cases like this show how our society is really no different than other places that get looked down upon for treating women as 2nd,3rd, or 4th class citizens. Bottom line is that she is just a child, and there was only one of her and numerous of them. Nobody couldn't step in to stop it? Really, she wanted it? She dressed the part and makeup equates to justifying rape? Smh! I would like to hear your reactions to the show.

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I want these men dead.
Hang them, shoot them, torture them before you cut their throats - I don't care how you do it but I want someone to kill them.
These are sick individuals. You can't help certain people, certain people do not have 'good' and 'bad' in them, some people are just pure evil and no amount of therapy will ever help them because they cannot be helped.
If I see some White liberal person making excuses for these vile cretins because they're 'Black men' and they are naturally 'victims of their surroundings' and oh let's not forget 'racism', I will scream.
It's enough that Black people do it but Black people do not need non Black people doing it too.
And are we really discussing whether a CHILD "seduced" and "Tricked" these filthy negros? SERIOUSLY!?
Oh. My. God. I think this is as low as you can get, this is it.
This is the fucking pit.
What the hell is wrong with people!? I guess this is what happens when stupid people breed, they create more stupidity.

I think what Black women, excuse me, SANE Black women should do is remove themselves from this filth.
Let people know, publicly even, that YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THESE CRAZY BLACK WOMEN who are speaking in ALL of yours behalf by insisting on saying "WE". It's "WE Black women believe this and that " and "US Black women.." It's time to separate yourself from them, they do NOT have the right to speak for us!

Sydney

Thank you for this very important post. I came across another blog today that posted the phone number of the Cleveland Police Department, 281-592-2622, and I inquired about a fund created on behalf of the 11-year-old girl. I was told that there is not one currently in place, but I could leave my name and phone number to be contacted in the event that one becomes available.

I'm absolutely sickened by this case and by the reactions of not only residents in this town, but of others in the "community." Some of the comments I've come across online are extremely alarming. I fear for the safety of our young girls more than ever.

That whole town sucks and ought to be bulldozed to the damn ground. I've been reading comments from people claiming to be from Cleveland, Tx who are saying to write off the whole town, that they're not all bad, and that it's great place to live.

Please. An 11 year old little girl was savagely raped by possibly 28 men and boys and NO ONE has set up a fund through the police for her?!! The police themselves haven't set up a fund for her?!

Fuck that entire place. There are hell holes like that all over the country filled with ignorant negroes and white trash. Bulldoze them all to the ground.

Quanell X and the black idiots in Cleveland, Tx are going all in and claiming this is a racial conspiracy to get rid of a generation of black men. SMH, this is as maddening and blood boiling as Dunbar Village and it's aftermath. I am shaking after reading this article! So these boys and "men" are being railroaded because they were tempted by an evil Latina seductress so that the local gov't could arrest some black men.

Jesus!!! I'm sure Michael Baisden will soon be calling for a rally to save these poor black men who are apparently now the true victims of this horrific situation.

http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cleveland/news/article_3b320ce8-592f-58d3-aaab-dd0e2f8ad617.html

Eugenia

You know that's a generation of bm that need to be gotten rid of, they're taking up good space on this earth.

Someone on Jezebel posted this comment from a someone which was left on a Clevelant, Tx news site:

"quote from the cleveland, tx newspaper's comment section: "he way I look at it is that the law should be changed. If the girl herself is saying she lied about her age and wanted to do what she did then I believe the guys shouldnt be held responsible. This could of happened to anyone, any race doesnt matter. She could of lied to anyone and made them think she is 17. By the way she looks and by the way she would be out late at nights, she could of probably went to a club and left with a guy thinkin she is legal since she is in the club. You know what im saying? And this little baby yall talkin about aint so little. Look at her facebook, she got pictures on there in here underwear. What kind of baby is that? I know people that saw the video and she didnt look so scared in the video. So quit talkiin about age cause she is obviously smart enough to know what she did. She probably just said they raped her cause people were probably calling her names or who knows what for what she did with all those guys.
Now if she would of stuck with her first story that she got raped unwillingly then I would agree that they should get sent to jail. But since she basically tricked them. What can you do? :( "

WOW! These people are SICK. They are SICK.

I agree with everything said on this thread and I haven't even read it all and I know I agree. There is absolutely no justification in raping an 11 year old. I don't care how old she told you she was, everybody knows an 11 year old when they see them. I know many young girls are developing more quickly these days but they still have the face of a child. I don't care if she was walking the street at midnight with nary a stitch of clothes on, that does not excuse gang raping her. OMG, what the hell is wrong with people.

Jezebel has a post up on the racial element. I haven't read all the comments yet, but if any of you are registered to post at Jezebel, you may be needed. Black women need to let white feminists know that this is not cultural and they are not racist for wanting these "men" punished to the full extent. We black women want the same thing.

http://jezebel.com/#!5780914/race-complicates-controversy-over-rape-of-11+year+old-girl

Apparently, "running trains" is quite common behaviour in these communities, if not one could not get on a mobile put out a call and find 20 to 30 men to come running to be included.

In a town of only a few thousand....imagine what a substantial number of men that is...

Imagine how many were called and could NOT come. Further, did anyone say no?

As a man, if you get a call from another man who tells you "I am here with 25 other men having sex with one girl" and you say...."Hold on, I'm coming" No one called the police, showed concern, declined?

The vicious cycle of abuse is that many of the women speaking in defense of these men were most likely abused themselves OR grew up around abuse and they view that way of living as normal. Notice how no one seems to understand why this is wrong or inappropriate.

These little girls are not allowed to have childhoods.

And again because the women are out in front....watch slowly as the larger BC will begin to attack the women next. First the victim...the little girl, then blacks will attack the women as poor mothers.

Bunny77

Apparently, “running trains” is quite common behaviour in these communities, if not one could not get on a mobile put out a call and find 20 to 30 men to come running to be included.

YES! This is another part of the problem. I'm hearing stories about this more and more... a BM who has a very good blog wrote a while ago about how he thought this was a rare thing, but as he met more BM, he heard MANY of them talking about "running trains" and then he started to meet more BW who said it had happened to them. He was sickened by how common these stories are.

So in this case, we have two very sick and twisted scenarios colliding -- the fact that too many BM seem to think nothing of "running a train," and then the complete ignorance and idiocy when it comes to the fact that ELEVEN YEAR OLDS cannot consent to sex.

And thus, gang rape... and it probably never crossed any of these men's sick minds that they were committing both a criminal and immoral act.

BUNNY

You are right. the laws need to be made clear again. Just b/c a child says "yes" to sex doesn't mean its ok for you to have sex with them. B/C somebody who created child laws understood that children say "yes" to a lot of crap that can be detrimental to them - b/c they are KIDS who are still developing mentally.

They knew what they were doing. When you have 20 something year old men participating, you know there was common knowledge that this girl was a 6th grader. They knew her. She was not just some random 11 year old girl who showed up out of nowhere in that town. i don't buy that "she wore a lot of make up and we didn't know" crap.

The fact those lunatics in TX are saying "she wore a lot of make up" as an excuse or way to defend the atrocious behavior of those animals is plain SICK.

RIGHT!

I mean, I don't understand... what kind of man in his right man WANTS to have sex with an 11-year-old? Even men who do have a "thing" for younger women (ick) at least won't go for a pre-teen or woman under 16... again, it's still sick for grown men to go for 16-year-olds, but I think you catch my drift...

But 11???? Really????? A sixth-grader??? I don't care how much she developed or how much makeup she had on, she still probably looked like a young girl.

And I agree with your entire analysis. We treat 11-year-olds like children because they ARE. We tend to hold them less responsible for bad decisions because we recognize that they are children and haven't yet developed necessary critical thinking skills to make the right decisions in adult situations.

Oh, I forgot... unless we're talking about black men and young girls of color. Then the girls suddenly have the "maturity" to make decisions about sex. Riiiight...

Her mother was even quoted as saying anyone would know her daughter was in middle school simply after she opened her mouth. Said she still even talked about stuffed teddy bears.

I don't care if this girl was my age. There is NO EXCUSE for gan rape of any sort.

This poor girl has a long road of recovery ahead of her both PHYSICALLY and MENTALLY. And all these sick bastards in the town can come up with is "where was her momma?".

Like I said, karma is on its way to any woman or BW that defends this madness.

Fii

You know what's interesting too, I always hear from the dbr bm who are apart of these so called "black men empowerment groups" and they sarcastically talk about black women letting thugs run trains on them and nonsense like that. Unless it's some kind of pornography and the woman is getting paid for it, I highly doubt any woman is going to be letting a pack of men debase her sexually like that. Let along no 11 year old. We know that it is my take on it. It's not uncommon for men prey upon young neighborhood girls and get them into sexual relationships before they can even realize what's going on - that is one thing. But how in Gods name could any 11 year old be even Jedi mind tricked into letting almost 30 men desecrate her body. There is not a woman on this Earth that is that "fast" and if there is, believe me she's getting paid for it. I hope that doesn't sound odd, but seriously.

I've been reading article after article and I swear, hood black folks have lost their damn minds. If I read one more quote from grown ass men and women blaming this 11 year old little girl, I'm gonna jump off the roof of my house. What the fuck is going on where the FACT that an 11 year old cannot consent is up for debate. Hell, it's not even up for debate, they just talk like they don't even understand that an 11 year old can't consent! It's not up for discussion! You know, I read about a heartbreaking abuse case where the mother blamed her 7 year old for enticing her boyfriend. Yeah, she found out the baby was being raped when the child came up with an STD. But that's what she get's, right, because it was the child's fault cause she pushed up on a grown man, you see!!! She should stop being so fasssss, trying to steal her mama's man!!!

I swear, these people are fucking sick. My heart goes out to the innocent children and other innocents who have to live in these hell holes.

Alee

I liked (read: was confused, shocked, and irritated by) the part where that black activist said "only young black men were arrested". LOL -- so? If only pink ant were arrested: that's who the perpetrators are as shown by their video tape of the incidents.

I guess that's how you get [black] people focused on the wrong points: by making it about racial discrimination.

Newbie (M)

Just...ugh. I hope that little girl will be able to cope and heal over this..

I was discussing this on another board about how it's sick that the black community was defending these animals and one guy quickly chimed in with the whole "Don't make it a race issue, there's trash from all walks of life" spiel. I said "And your point is? This is what's affecting OUR community. The fact that black folks have the habit of rallying and wiping the a** of black male criminals is so blatently obvious. OJ Simpson, Genarlow Wilson, Chris Brown, Dunbar Village, etc, etc. Why NOT call a spade a spade?"

Honestly, it's a little tiring to "watch" what I say for the sake of being PC. I'm done.

I have been reading some articles on this story, and the more I read, the more I'm completely stunned. The people of Cleveland, Texas have to be joking. Here's what one lady said:

"She lied about her age. Them boys didn't rape her. She wanted this to happen. I'm not taking nobody's side, but if she hadn't put herself in that predicament, this would have never happened," said Angie Woods, who lives in Houston but grew up in Cleveland.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7467292.html

She wanted this to happen? They didn't rape her? Really? At the very least she should admit that both parties played a part in this event.

But then there is this part of the story that I'm quite confused about:

"The aunt of the suspect arrived home, however, and "the victim and the other individuals left the residence in haste through the rear window of the house," according to the affidavit. After leaving, the girl said she and the others went to an abandoned trailer where the sexual acts continued, the affidavit said"

http://www.latimes.com/ktla-gang-rape-texas-girl,0,2243171.story

Why did she leave the house and go somewhere else with the boys/men? Am I missing something?

The DBR's told her that some of their black female defenders (mules) would beat her up for them if she did not let them rape her. Add to that the fact that she is a child in the midst of a trauma and I don't find it odd at all that she off to a second location with them.

Shes a child, it's not that odd that she goes with them, she must have been very scared. I have seen young children abused by men and she will do almost anything they tell her..

Okay, thanks for the info. I'd thought they'd only threatened her in the beginning.

I know she's young and impressionable, but I also know people will try to use that part (and others) against her. In court, the prosecution might say "See, she was in agreement -- she even went with them by choice after it was over!" And such details may turn an open and shut case into something else.

Although either way, they will be punished because the girl is 11 and you simply can't consent at that age, regardless of whether you pretended to be older.

That should be "defense" instead of prosecution.

Alee i asked the same question. I agree with Kels and NK.

I feel for this generation of young girls. SO many of them are being sexually abused so early in their years that by the time they reach 11 years old they are much more likely to be put in vulnerable situations where they have no control or even may think nothing is wrong when it clearly is.

Its quite possible she could have agreed to go with them to the other location. Its even quite possible that she may have agreed to have sex with one (the animal that picked her up to go "riding")at the original location (despite laws of consent). What those idiot adults in Clevland TX don't realize is, Children agree and say yes to a lot of things that can be detrimental to them. That's why they are kids who have parental guidance up until the age of 18 b/c they are too vulnerable to realize things that a NORMAL adult would protect them from. They are a product of their environment. if she has already been a victim of sexual abuse early in life, its not out of the realm for her to agree to have sex with a young man. They say yes to a lot of crazy stuff not knowing the full consequences - b/c they are CHILDREN. Of course she was wearing make up b/c if that is what her parents let her do that's wht she is going to do. Children are also very easily manipulated and coerced into a lot of things. Thus why there are laws to protect them.
The "women" and other idiots in Cleveland blaming her for this don't seem to understand that concept.

Those boys AND MEN (I use the term men loosley) were not the victims. i don't care how old they started at. They were not outnumbered nor being threatened or violated.

Its up to adults in their right mind to protect children - especially young girls being ganged up on by a pack of males. I don't care if this little girl agreed to everything that happened to her. Those animals KNEW she was a child and knew she was vulnerable and most likely scared and possibly even confused. Throw in she was threatened and well.... recipe for disaster.

If a young girl has no parental involvement in her life (which its obvious this young child didn't), she will most likely make some very scarey decisions not even realizing what she is getting herself into. It seems this young girl had no parental guidance whatosever. She even had a facebook page! Don't you have to be like 18 to have a page? her own mother didn't know she had a facebook page. I just keep trying to think back to my days of being 11 and I just cannot even IMAGINE her going through this.

I believe this child has been sexually abused in the past. Possibly why her parents cannot have access to her and why Child protective services is keeping them apart. THAT too cannot be good for her to not even be able to have access to her loved ones after such an ordeal.

Its also quite possible for an 11 year old abuse victim to become hardened by abuse. Its said she didn't even report it. i cannot even imagine the physical implications of such a young girl being sexually violated by numerious adult males. The fact she didn't even report physical stress afterwards makes me so sad.

If she has in fact been sexually abused in the past, it may seem quite normal for her to think what is being done ot her is ok.

That is the sad and scarey part in all of this that so many people don't want to acknowledge. Today so many children are desensitized to things that they shouldn't even be exposed to, which makes them vulnerable.

So I believe she fled with them to the second location out of fear and confusion. And the worse of all this could be that she actually agreed b/c of her past of possibly being sexually victimized. THAT is what is scarey.

Now this is all speculation on my part about her possibly being a victim of sexual abuse in the past. But i say that b/c (1) she had a facebook page in which she admitted to liking sex and alcohol. No 11 year old does this without having been exposed and/or victimized in early life.

What makes me sso soo sad is that this child did not even report the incident herself. i cannot imaine the physical anguish an 11 year old would experience after being sexually assualted by tons of grown males. i can't even imagine. Even if for reporting some physical side effect. Its so sad to think that an 11 year old would possibly walk around with this not knowing what to do or even possibly thinking it wasn't something worth telling to adults even while possibly in physical anguish.

Its really heartbreaking what this generation of girls are dealing with at such early ages. HEARTBREAKING...

I feel for the minority young girls in such communities. Adult minority women are literally ACCEPTING and DEFENDING men's "rights" to violate CHILDREN b/c they "wear a lot of make up" REALLY? Whew....

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