“My First Time with a White Guy” Ebony.com Feature Mentions “Swirling!”

“My First Time with a White Guy” Ebony.com Feature Mentions “Swirling!”

Uhmmm, hmmmm….

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Here’s an article that will raise your blood pressure–in a good way. Writer Arielle Loren, publisher of Corset magazine, wrote about her mind-blowing experience doing “the grown up” with a rainbeau in Ebony, of all places!! (I guess adding some fresh blood over yonder is actually helping a bit!) She also mentioned “Swirling’s” chapter on sex, written by my writing partner, Janice Rhoshalle Littlejohn. Here’s a sneak peek into the chapter:

My first time with this White kid from Jersey was intense. The sex was focused primarily on my pleasure, and he wasn’t lacking in anyway to be able to deliver it. But it did make me reflect on why I had limited myself for so long to just having sex and dating Black men or never challenging the popular stereotypes.
Janice Rhoshalle Littlejohn, co-author of the soon-to-be released “Swirling: How to Date, Mate, and Relate Mixing Race, Culture, and Creed“, put it best in the chapter called, “Let’s Talk About Sex … and Stereotypes”:
“We think we have evolved into new-millennium modern-day thinkers, but black women all over the country, regardless of education and socioeconomic status, are living with age-old ideas when it comes to our consideration of the ideal sexual partner. We yearn to embrace our sexual bliss, and yet have allowed what our mothers, grandmothers, aunties, and sister-friends have said about “them” keep us from pursuing something new. We know how hard it is to fight against the stereotypes of black women as lascivious, innately promiscuous, and even predatory, deviants— and yet we feel more than justified in projecting our own labels on others, unfairly sizing up men and defining their capabilities between the sheets (or lack thereof) based on what so-and-so- said instead of considering the realities of the individual that just might be the guy who can makes your toes curl.”

This is a great sign if Ebony’s willing to give swirling a chance. har har har

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HarlemGirl 216 pts

There are sexually selfish men in all races but  I have to agree without saying a whole lot  that from my experience that it was the WM  I encountered that are more focused on the woman's pleasure than their own. No complaints here.  And we as black women give give give so much, to have someone making our pleasure a priority is a good thing!!

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dasdbobb 1419 pts

@Pearl I like the glasses, now am I still grounded? LOL

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

I saw the most fascinating show on Science Channel this evening called 'Why is Sex Fun' all about the female orgasm. I caught it halfway through but the part I saw as interesting. Women are capable of thinking themselves to orgasm so for us our brain is the most important part of orgasming. They're doing lots of studies about the vaginal orgasm which exists but it's not exactly a spot like g-spot. The other was that women being in love made for the best quality orgasm, you had to be in love not lust. Women have more orgasms with men they find attractive and that usually women find men with symmetrical faces more attractive but I'd heard that before. That here orgasm is something has biologically evolved, it's a genetic reward for choosing an attractive mate, you know one she can bear the healthiest children with. If I see again, I'll have to watch the full show. That part was totally interesting. That women's orgasm last longer than men, men on average have 6 seconds, women 20 seconds and orgasm is the point where the most points in our brains are firing at once. Didn't get to hear anything about male penis size being a factor but who knows. Hey I say sex with someone you love is the best sex of all. 

dasdbobb 1419 pts

OK I’ve got to tell all of you the story about the gambler back in the old west. He would take bets on anything. One day he rode into town and stopped in the saloon for a beer and steak. The local card shark asked if he would like to join the card game, but the gambler said “no, I don't really have the time. However, I will offer you a wager if you are interested. The card shark says "wager on what?" The gambler says" I'll wager everything on that table I can make any horse in town laugh." Well of course, everybody wanted some of that action and got in on the wager. Everybody knows horses can't laugh! The gambler goes out to the horse they showed him, walks up to the animal and whispers something in its ear. A few seconds later, the horse is rolling on its back laughing so hard it lasted for ten minutes. All the men asked the gambler what he told the horse, he says “I told him I have a bigger pecker than he does.” The gambler gets his money, thanks the men for being good sports and rides out of town. Two months later, the gambler comes back through town going back home. He stops in the same saloon, has a steak and beer and asks the card shark if he would like a chance to win his money back. Everybody says “yes very much so.” He says “I’ll wager I can make that very same horse cry like a baby.” Everybody laughed and said “we’ll take that bet, nobody can make a horse cry like a baby!” The gambler goes out to the same horse and in a few minutes they heard something crying like a baby. They all ran outside, and the horse was lying on the ground crying, like a baby. Everybody again asked how he did it. The gambler simply says “I showed him.”

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 dasdbobb Loved that!!!!LOL

dasdbobb 1419 pts

@Brenda55 thanks bren, i use this all the time and always get chased out of parties after i give the punchline. LOL I even had one older gal tell me i shouldn't tell such dirty jokes. SMH

Karla 19185 pts

Wow!  I'm gone for a day and look what happens!  I like it!

SFbyDay 218 pts

What I've read is the average black guy is 7 inches and the average non black guy is 6 inches. So on average it's not that much different. The smallest guy I ever dated was a black guy. Literally thumb size. I've seen babies that were more blessed. I have noticed that African guys can be a lot larger. Up to 14 inches in my experience. I don't like more than 8 myself. I'd like to keep my cervix intact, thank you very much.

 

I've dated every race. In my experience black men have been the most selfish on average. Refusing to perform oral sex but expecting a BJ. Some of the ones that are willing to perform oral sex rush through it and are done before you can even get into it. One black guy I was with for 8 years was a master at it. So of course it varies. The most selfish individual that I ever met was an Indian. He would not perform oral. But felt like a woman didn't really love him if she wasn't willing to swallow. We never actually went on that first date after all of that came out.

 

The main difference I've noticed with black men is that they are so aggressive sexually. They talk about wanting to beat it up. Brag about hitting it so hard that the woman couldn't walk. Complain about women running back on their elbows and how they should just take it like a big girl.

 

I had a co-worker tell me that she will tell a new lover that if she's sore the next day he will not be getting a repeat performance. The last black guy I was with I actually asked him who he was angry with? He was 10 inches and coming with that attitude. To be fair he was receptive and changed his style when I talked to him about it.

 

I've never had a non black man announce a goal of beating it up so bad that I won't be able to walk. Or have sex like he's pissed off at the world and taking it out on my goodies.

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 SFbyDay That is not love making that's f***ing. Any animal can rut it takes a real man to know how to make love.  Love making requires some semblance of style and control. Its about pleasuring your partner not wrecking them. 

SFbyDay 218 pts

 Brenda55 Agree with you completely on that one. It's one of the few reasons why I prefer to date non black. I was at a comedy club and the two comedians decided to feature a Q&A session. I actually asked them why black men were the only men that talked so much about beating it up, etc, etc. lol They both just looked confused about the question. #awkward

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 SFbyDay I think that they equate a show of power during sex as being an Alpha Male.

 

It is not.  It is a sign ya can't screw.

 

I also think too many guys try to do that dumb stuff they see on porno movies and think that is what women want.  

 

Ah try asking the woman you are with. 

Some gals do want you to kill it.  Most of us don't however.  

 

Hubby and I want to the Museum of Sex in NYC. (Don't act surprised of course we went there when we found out it existed. The museum shop is a hoot. http://www.museumofsex.com/   )

 

In one of the exhibits there was a Ryobi reciprocating saw with a dildo attached to it.  The man who made it and his wife who he used it on proudly posed in a photo with it.  No, it was not an action shot thank goodness.

 

That worked for her.  For me that would be grounds for divorce.

SirLoinDeBeef 2668 pts

 Brenda55 I think there's one at Harbor Freight that's cheaper, plus rotates 360 degrees - and there's that 2-ton portable engine lift thingee, that would work with the Sky Chair ...

SFbyDay 218 pts

 Brenda55 Did you ever watch the movie JD's Revenge? I saw it as a kid. Totally inappropriate. lol But that's another story. Your comment about a show of power reminded me of this movie.

 

I'm fuzzy on the exact details because I was probably 10 or so when I saw it. But a white woman wants to have sex with the main character, JD. He agrees and then pounds her until she dies. Literally pounded to death. This had to be about about power and black rage.

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 SFbyDay Ewwwwwwwwww.

I am happy to report that I missed that movie and will not be looking for it. 

SFbyDay 218 pts

 Brenda55  You're hilarious. lol It was one of those blaxploitation movies from the 70's. Probably not a good movie but that part about using sex as a weapon always stuck with me.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 SFbyDay I, for one, like it aggressive.  All that softness is not for me.

 

I think people need to figure out what their partner likes...no two people are the same.

 

 

SFbyDay 218 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani I used to frequent a group that discussed sexuality. A lot of the women said they liked it rough. Choking, hair pulling and being pounded. I'm not into but like you said some people are. My issue with black men is that seems to be their default/preferred method. I know I'm projecting my POV on others but that doesn't seem to be about intimacy to me. It seems disfunctional but it's so accepted that I don't think the men really think about the motivation behind it.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 SFbyDay No, I agree that it does seem to be the default method by a lot of Black men.  I've heard far more of them talking about "beating it up" than being gentle.  I do think there's a bit of sexualized violence in the whole notion of "banging someone's back out."  In fact, there's a lot of sexualized violence in it that our community definitely struggles with.

Ricky T 481 pts

 SFbyDay HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 10, 14 inches, you're hilarious. You gotta take a ruler and measure it. an 8 incher is pretty rare. That's why you don't see a lot of rulers in porn because they can't hold true to their claims. Less than 3 out of 100 guys has anywhere from 7 - 8.5.

SFbyDay 218 pts

@Ricky T I have measured 3 twelve inchers with a tape measure. No joke. I took the word of the 14 incher so can't confirm. He was Nigerian though. Some of those guys are seriously hung.

SFbyDay 218 pts

@Ricky T where did hear that only 3% are 7.5 or 8 inches? If the average size is 7 inches it would make sense that a good portion are over 7 inches. Maybe not half since it's average and not median.

Ricky T 481 pts

 SFbyDay  If they are 12 inches, they are a full 3 inches bigger than the BIGGEST porn star ALIVE right now at 9. You are saying you been with THREE 12-incher.. HAHAHAHAAH. Good one. And you mention they are Nigerian...sounds like a perfect remark from an angry troll. If I wasn't here to call you out, all these women wouldn't know what's going on.

 

SFbyDay 218 pts

 Ricky T  Angry troll? Exactly what am I angry about?

Leona_LoveQuest 434 pts

I wish I had gotten in on this conversation a lot sooner! The largest men I've ever been with were white. One of them was mixed. The smallest man I've ever been with was also mixed. Regardless of color, going downtown is not an option. Take the ride or hit the door!

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

Whoo-hoo for my JPC Family!  We doin big things over here!  Jet actually featured a lesbian couple in their wedding announcements a few months ago.

 

So all of you guys go to Ebony.com and don't forget to subscribe!

 

harleyq2 190 pts

Reading the comments make me laugh. You ladies are so wrong and naughty is just too right!!! LOL

MissFLondon 667 pts

It's all relative though.

 

Some women are into size - and I salute them it's never really been a preference of mine. 

 

Others are into the full experience. 

 

I really don't buy into the black men are huge thing, but similarly, have from my own experience noticed that they there can be a bit more girth.

 

That said though, you have to really be careful with this stereotyping. I have had some rather nasty shocks. I have had to kick out more that 2 white guys for not declaring their full enormous size status; I have my limits people!!!!

 

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

MissFLondon "

 I have my limits people!!!!"

 

 

Look we are all about women expanding their  horizons around here. LOL 

 

 

harleyq2 190 pts

 MissFLondon

 "I have had to kick out more that 2 white guys for not declaring their full enormous size status; I have my limits people!!!!"

I had to chuckle at this. funny

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 MissFLondon I KNOW this to be a lie.

 

One Black dude whipped it out on me and I almost said..."no thanks, I don't smoke."

Ricky T 481 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani ICE COLD ZINDZI....LOL.

 

Jeff, Its not quality over quantity. Its both. Size definitely matters...You can't be Mr Motion of the Ocean with a cigarette penis cuz she's probably not going to feel much.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Ricky T Naw, HE was ice cold for not warning me.  You know you got a lil dick.  You should tell me that so I can make a knowledgeable decision.

 

I agree; you can have skills, but if you're dealin with a needle dick, your skills mean nothing.

EarthJeff 3605 pts

 MissFLondon Kind of the old argument of Quality over Quantity?  

MelissaJen 51 pts

My white girlfriend told me that the most selfish lover that she ever had was a black man. I have no desire to ever have sex with another black man in this lifetime.

BeautyIAM 1409 pts

 MelissaJen 

 

Yeah, because all black men are the effin same. Seriously, grow up.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

Ah yes, this post is right up my alley. Like some of you other commenters, I've never been with a black man and I know for sure that I'm not missing out on a damn thang. When I was with my man on Saturday night I was begging him to stop because I wasn't sure I could handle what he was puttin' on me without passing out ;-). Yes, most of the time when we do the "grown up" that man makes me light-headed. Afterward I have to sit for maybe five minutes before I'm able to get up and walk without hitting the floor, hahaha!!!

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 grrlysquirrel75 He sounds like a keeper if your heart can take it. LOL

MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1090 pts

when it comes to sex ,seduction & lovemaking i will say this:

 

those who can,DO.

those who can't,BRAG.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 MDNA2 YES.  Quickest way to know they suck is if they're talking about how great they are.

MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1090 pts

;-)

.....quietly thinking back of  an affair i had in the 90's (don't worry, i told my husband.)

one was with a white male stripper....curved like a banana.....couldn't think straight for a week....let alone walk...and to think i just got back from seeing "The Bodygaurd" too....

Christelyn 9256 pts moderator

 MDNA2 The Hubster has one like that...mmmmmm....

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 Christelyn   MDNA2 CHRIS! Oh no you did not!!!!!!

 

..........lucky gal  {Cheshire cat grin}

Brenda55 21018 pts moderator

 Christelyn   MDNA2 This goes for you too LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GePTSbvde4

MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1090 pts

yes, Ma'am....:-)

 

gets up, goes to the chalkboard to write

 

I will be more discreet.I will be more discreet. I will be more discreet.

Karla 19185 pts

 Christelyn OMG! The language! (Victorian/Southern Belle swoon).  Where are my smelling salts?

 

Daphne Rose 138 pts

 Christelyn    I have heard this from more than one black woman that more WM   are  unselfish when it comes to satifying their mate than BM . DISCLAIMER TO THOSE WHO WILL JUMP ON THIS: I know there are selfish men in  all races. I am just repeating what I have heard and these were some very happy women!

MelissaJen 51 pts

@Daphne Rose @Christelyn I just made this comment and I had not even gotten to this comment yet. lol!

MelissaJen 51 pts

Meaning black men have a rep as selfish lovers.

Jamila 7704 pts moderator

 MDNA2 BB&W--come for the political posts, stay for the sex talks lol