New Documentary on the Black Church Shines a Light on Prosperity Pimps for Dollars

I have to give credit where it’s due, because columnist Deborrah Cooper was the first to shine a light on how the church exploits black women and milks them of their resources.

I remember interviewing Deborrah on this issue way back in the day.

The conversation continues with this newly-released documentary from Moguldom Studios.

I really wish black women would wake up to how these pimps are playing them for utter fools, bleeding them for time and financial resources,OUTRIGHT STEALING (because you don’t have to report donations to the IRS), keeping black women single and praying for their mythical black prince. I hope you took the time to view the trailer–what these folks say is absolutely true, about how these pastors roll out in their expensive cars and don’t even talk to the partitioners. They can’t be bothered. I experienced this myself when I approached the pastor of West Angeles Church in Los Angeles and he shoo’d me off and told me to talk to his secretary. These men want your money and your warm ass on the seat. That’s it. And this comes from a CHRISTIAN WOMAN, not an atheist. The black church has been utterly corrupted and unpoliced, and no one in the community will hold them accountable.

So why force them to change? Don’t; just stop going, and stop giving. Download bible verses and devotions on your iPhone. Go to the park on a beautiful day and hold silent communion with God. Give the 10 percent those greedy pimps at those churches try to extort (yes it is spiritual extortion to say that God will not bless you if you don’t give your $$) to a worthwhile charity. Whatever you do, stop being a sheep!church congregation

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Gijou
Gijou

I came to the conclusion along time ago that the Black Church doesn't serve Black Women . . . we are EXPECTED to serve them!


Poor marriage counselling (stay with the man, who abuses you) . . . etc

Be faithful to a group of men who don't have your best interest at hand . . . etc.


#justwalkaway

QueenAnne
QueenAnne

The tithing thing sticks in my craw. Every time. Any pastor who tells you that Christians are required to tithe is a lying, thieving bastard. They get on my everlasting nerves with that tithing mess. Last time I checked i wasn't an ancient Israelite bringing rams and goats to the altar to be sacrificed by a Levite priest.  And many have the nerve to say that you need to be giving above and beyond the tithe. Really? So you can roll around in your benz(s), live in your McMansion with three pools and an air-conditioned dog house, flash your jewelry and your wife can cart around her ridiculous $15,000 dog while I can barely pay my rent? Nope.

DeepWater
DeepWater

Hey now.   Stopped goin' to churches a loooooooooooooonnnnnng time ago.  I agree with you all here.  I used to attend church(es) with relatives because we had to, and not just Sundays, but damn near 4 to 5 days a week.    Y'all know, choir practice, Sunday school, "mass", cooking of church dinners, attending other churches with choir, etc.   I CANNOT stand preachers AT ALL.   The lies they spew forth are repugnant.   The "prosperity pimps" don't give one damn about not a soul in pretty much any congregation in Black communities.    I saw this for myself how these "ministers" work.   They get the nice cars, nice homes, good schooling for their children.  However, the congregants are suffering with lost jobs, lost souls, broken homes and want to sell you a bill of goods about tithing their church with what little money that you may have.....ask them for help and see what you get.......a whole bunch nothing.      There are good churches out there, however, they are among the rare.


The games that are played in church are another turn-off.    Who's doin' who and how "light" are they?   Do y'all know that colorism is uber STRONG in the Black church.   Dark hued Black male preachers rarely, if ever, married dark-hued Black women......ALWAYS lighter.......I noticed that as a child........more so, now, as an adult.


I believe very little of anything that a so-called "man of God" has to say.......so much so........I have read and believe VERY LITTLE of "The Bible".........man written.......contradictory........always used as a weapon heavily against women..........I will not set foot in "houses of ill-repute"..........because that's what churches are, they ain't about soul savin', their about money getting, having, and hoarding and leading congregants into the sick world of organized religion.    I think it, the Black church, has in 2014 become the downfall of Black folk.   They don't address very real issues such as AIDS, drug use, sexuality, "the new world order"........The Black church is lagging in pulling Black folk out of their mire.   Lastly, I don't get why single Black women continue to go to church looking for their "Black Kang", when they don't, overall, attend church?    What you waitin' for dude to come out the sky?....lol.


Don't do churches.......less filling.





LovelyLulu
LovelyLulu

I say this from experience - it is the same with black churches outside of America.  African churches are extremely corrupt.  People become pastors simply to make bags of money in Nigeria.  It is the profession of con artists.

I had the misfortune of being dragged to one of these churches and the pastor asked everyone to give money.  Those who could not donate a certain amount of money would not be getting a blessing from God apparently.  Never mind the fact that many of the church members were poor Nigerians.  Naturally, my mother was outraged and tried to leave.  The other church members tried to block her from leaving.  The church members loved the pastor more than they loved Jesus or God.  They were practically worshipping the pastor.  Pure madness. 


Even the black church in Canada of all places managed to fleece my poor grandmother for funds to fix a church roof that never needed any fixing.  Churches always seem to have a roof problem for some reason.

DudlardFontus
DudlardFontus

I am a catholic. I don't feel the pressure and guilt to give money to my church when I cannot. I don't trust mega churches with their prosperity pimps agenda.

horrorjunky
horrorjunky

I couldn't find any info on when/where I can watch this documentary. Will this be in theaters?

Tammy_Ghalden
Tammy_Ghalden

I have been speaking out against prosperity preachers for years, but there are many white prosperity preachers. This isn't an attempt to deflect; I'm just stating the fact that prosperity preaching isn't only seen in a particular race. Well, they are predominantly of two races: white and black. White prosperity preachers do have many white congregants, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have a disproportionate number of black congregants. Black people make up 13% of the population, but I've seen white prosperity preachers on t.v. with audiences that are at least 50% black. They attract a disproportionate amount of black people because they target those who are financially struggling. This is only to warn you that you just can't assume that a white church with a white pastor is not partaking in these things. White prosperity preachers are VERY common. You can see them all over t.v. on Sunday morning, so don't go in blind with assumptions based on race. White pastors invented prosperity theology. 


I tried to convince a black friend to stop attending a church headed by a white prosperity preacher. He thought there was nothing wrong with the fact that his church offered no services to the community all while his preacher had a Rolex and an expensive house. His reasoning was that, just because the man had a "calling" to become a pastor, it doesn't mean that he can't be successful. His wealth is a result of God's blessings. My view is that the offerings belong to God and should be used for God's work. The pastor should take a modest salary. The pastor is not a CEO of a company; he/she doesn't produce anything for the church. He/she depends on donations. If the pastor is making money off of selling DVDs, books, and other things, then fine. However, I know of one case where a church paid for their pastor to have a $2 million private jet because he needed to travel and "spread the word of God."

kia
kia

Has everyone seen the other films from Moguldom. I'm wondering if the films listed below actually shine a light on blacks holding themselves accountable for the glorification of sex and violence and whitewashing of rap male dominated music. Do they mention the double standards and reasons of black men vs black women when interracial dating. The colorism and fetish of black womens' bodies that are compared to and worshipped on other races of women. The high rates of gun and gang violence in black communities. The near 90% of single mothers in the black community for decades. Or do these other films gloss over that.

'A "Genius" Leaves the Hood - Jay Z,' ("Genius" - Really?)   'The Swirl,'   'Bottoms Up,'   'Gun Land''

'72% Single Mother Phenomenon in the black community' - I think the percentage is actually higher.

http://moguldomstudios.com/films/

WendyLBarber
WendyLBarber

Wow. And not a good wow. Haven't been to a church in over 20 years and refuse to go to one. After having seen churches with large flocks and the free flow of money to the guy in charge made me want to barf. No one in their flock should be hungry, about to lose their home, can't pay for medicine, can afford repairs to the only vehicle the family has, or not be able to go to college. 


Each mega church should have a community garden, scholarships for anyone, job search and interview services, how to keep your house and make a budget services, how to improve yourself services. But no. That would take away all of the special attention of one person. A male who doesn't give a darn. I can't wait to see this documentary and I do hope a lot more women wake up.

darkandlovely
darkandlovely

There is nothing you can say to black folks about Church, God or their pastor that will not get you a swift and visceral rebuke. I attended church as a child because it was required.  I never believed the Christ story, even then.  I've always erred on the side of science - that which could be proven.  When I was old enough to do my own research, it confirmed what I always felt.  And anything that was introduced to slaves during that period in our history from the slave masters should be suspect anyway. Now I attend for funerals and weddings.  But to each his/her own.  Religion always reminds me of racism in the sense that it is passed down from generation to generation and definitely has a stronghold on black folks. 

That said, most of the pastors I was exposed to early on had a slickness about them.  Generally speaking, on Sunday and Wednesday, they preached one thing but led lives that were anything but holy.  All had wives and most had women (and an occasional man) on the side, which included members of their flock.  Some had children outside their marriage.  They told the same lies that the average married man tells who has a side piece.  They kept the spiritual, broken and lonely women coming to church to tithe, listen to his message of holding down brotha man,  praying to God for a black Kang and at the very least -  salvation.  These women tithe even as they can't pay the mortgage.  I've seen women at the bus stop in the cold and snow while the pastor rides by adorned in his $3,000 Brioni suit and pushing a Benz.

The only change I see now is ATMs in the lobby, bodyguards and the Lexus and Benz has replaced the once coveted Cadillac.  Why exactly does a pastor need a bodyguard anyway?  SMH.

zimekcyn
zimekcyn

I don't go to church, stopped that foolishness years ago, and I damn sure don't give my money to these criminals, that's how I view them.  IF there is a god and I do mean IF, I will have to be judged by how I've lived my life not by how many times I go to a building or how much money I give to these criminals.

dani-BBW
dani-BBW

I don't attend church anymore. It was the last place I felt close to Jesus. Between the clutter of worship services (announcements and piling stuff into service that people really should come back to church for, people trying to get their personal shine on, etc) and a decreasing intellectual focus, I just stopped a few years ago. I don't have any regrets. I prefer a small group/bible study format, where it is interactive and more intellectually rigorous. 


My focus is maintaining my relationship with God. I manage and nurture it like I would do any other relationship. Through continued learning (movies and books), practicing and sharing gratefulness, enjoying nature, etc. I've been reading the President's Devotional by Joshua DuBois who provided daily bible scriptures and themes to President Obama.


I do still tithe, because it is something that I feel personally convicted to do, especially since I don't attend church anymore. As a Christian I do believe in the idea of the "body of Christ," that we are all called to various purposes to uplift and better our fellow man. Some have the gift of preaching/teaching/spiritual enlightenment, others have great charity and compassion and directly help people, while others have material success and are able financially support the first two causes. I belong to a denominational church that is properly sorted with the IRS and undergoes regular audits. Since tithe is a charitable contribution, it is subject to IRS rules and I indicate each month how I want my tithe to be used (i.e. "restrict my donation"). Since my church undergoes regular audits by the denomination, which is then audited by external auditors who must attest to IRS compliance, AND I once was a board member, I feel pretty comfortable that my donations/tithe are used as intended.


Unfortunately for smaller, fly by night or non-denominational churches, I am not sure what financial controls are in place. That responsibility rests with the board members that have been elected and are listed on articles of incorporation or something similar each state requires for any sort of legitimacy.

SirLoinDeBeef
SirLoinDeBeef

@QueenAnne 

In my now-estranged daughter's former church (Pentacostal), they pretty much demanded the tithe ... then 'passed-the-plate' FOUR separate times, in addition.

I was personally present what Sunday.

Never again!

Dreamer732
Dreamer732

@QueenAnne Just the other day, my father told me about a woman who is a long time member of the church he attends: she's been have financial trouble and as a result had to move out of her home. She asked the church for assistance with the security deposit on an apartment and they told her, due to the economy they wouldn't be able to help. We're talking about one of the largest, if not the largest mega church in Detroit.

KendraTaylor
KendraTaylor

@DeepWater I actually left Christianity because of this (I'm spiritual and not an atheist), because it seemed like all the pastors I saw were predatory. They'd ask for money from people that could honestly not afford to give it and/or  try and get them to sacrifice their time/jobs/wishes for the benefit of the Church while they were off probably doing something unsavory later that evening. They were also quick to judge anyone that wasn't them or in their followers. A few months ago I was at a  Safeway parking lot and some Black minister was trying to hit on me. I'm 24 and yet he tried fervently to tell me that I needed a Black King in my life (whatever the feck that means) and  about his daughters that were my age. 


I wanted so badly to tell him that I wasn't interested in Black guys or old guys or  that I wasn't a Christian, but all I said was, "Well, have a great day, sir"


My mom is a Christian (which I'm cool with when she's not telling me to convert before it's too late), and she hasn't gone to a church in decades. 


I'm cool with anyone who is religious , but screw organized religious institutions that want to guilt trip you into paying for the solace of redemption. 

Justme65
Justme65

@LovelyLulu 

Hahaha!  Sad, but true.  Shaming the congregation into donations isn't something I'm down with.  I hate to say it, for fear of being struck by lightning or living a life of unfortunate circumstances or being doomed to Hell, but I really have problems with the Bible (especially the Old Testament) and it's contradictions.  I will follow Jesus's  teachings, but I'm having a really hard time with which part of Hebrew scripture still applies to us today, when even Jesus had issues with it thousands of years ago. 

Church...no thanks, it is counter-productive to living a good lifestyle nowadays.

International_Responder
International_Responder

So right, this issue is definitely not limited to the U.S. In the Bahamas, where I grew up many church denominations still exist.... Anglican, Methodist, Baptist, Methodist, Church of the Brethren, etc. but there are nondenominational churches w/a megachurch feel sprouting up everywhere particularly after a few native preachers had cross over success i.e. featured on U.S. televangelist shows, books that sold well in the U.S. etc. My sisters former pastor had the nerve to tout his relationship book at the end of her and her husbands vows while marrying them. The older folks are very suspicious of these new churches but others view them as a way to get the younger generation in the pews. Again so sad....the "business" of serving God.

LeCe
LeCe

@Tammy_Ghalden

The first visible prosperity preacher I know of down here is Paul (stop pretending you are not gay) Martin and his wife Deborah Martin.  Since 2005, Paul is heading a church in Texas and his wife is over the church in New Orleans, so much for being a married couple.  It's all about the money. 

LadyHumor
LadyHumor

@Tammy_Ghalden  Yeah. Prosperity Pimps are like a virus in the Western (Wealthy) Christain World. I've even seen Latino and Asian preachers try to use these tactics as well to floss their people. SMH. 


Part of the problem is that somehow this 'name it and claim it' message is very appealing to someone who is desperate and in need. When you don't have the skills/knowledge to make changes, when someone gives you a 'solution' to your dilemma, even if the solution is obviously faulty, you are more likely to believe it. It's a very vicious cycle.   

Christelyn
Christelyn moderator

@kia I'm actually in one of those films. "The Swirl" I was the "voice of reason" so to speak. 

zipporah
zipporah

@WendyLBarber THATS RIGHT... if they preach the tithe system,,, we need to have a BETTER SHOWING on where the money goes.

BTW, some churches do, and use their tithes in community outreach. If the pastor has a large home, he may rent rooms out to others, or have them stay until they are on their feet.

If a pastor preaches the tithe doctrine and has NOTHING... HE MAY BE what Jesus calls a 'HIRED MAN' a false shepherd who cares nothing for his sheep.

zipporah
zipporah

@darkandlovely JESUS WOULD HAVE TAKEN A CROWBAR to the ATMs.

just look at what he did to the moneychangers!!==made a whip with cords....read the bible and see!!


"my fathers house is to be a HOUSE OF PRAYER,,, And you have made it a DEN OF THIEVES"!!

LovelyLulu
LovelyLulu

@darkandlovely  "ATMs in the lobby"

WOW.  It's like these churches are turning into banks.  Smh for real.  

MarthaLankford
MarthaLankford

@darkandlovely this......right here.....is truth.    i broke free from the chains of religion.  best decision ever.   i totally agree with what darkandlovely stated.  

zimekcyn
zimekcyn

@darkandlovely "anything that was introduced to slaves during that period in our history from the slave masters should be suspect anyway."  Oh my goodness, YES!!!

It is amazing, you would not believe the silence when I bring up this issue during discussions with "church zealots."  

euo95
euo95

@dani-BBW  "I just stopped a few years ago. I don't have any regrets. I prefer a small group/bible study format, where it is interactive and more intellectually rigorous. 


My focus is maintaining my relationship with God. I manage and nurture it like I would do any other relationship. Through continued learning (movies and books), practicing and sharing gratefulness, enjoying nature, etc."



YES! This is something I've been thinking about. I'd love to do a small bible study with some people my age. I'm 19. I've been thinking about how when I go to church (my family goes to a small church with lots of elderly people) I always feel like MY personal relationship with God is being judged by the church people, especially by my mother. 


Once when we were in church and my mother didn't think I clapped enough during the sermon/singing, I was grounded and my punishment was to do the dishes for the next 3 MONTHS. 


I think I just want to nurture my own spiritual relationship with God without judgment. 

ShunJack
ShunJack

@dani-BBW  what I appreciate about my church is the monthly budget review that is open to all church members who want to attend and hear the discussion. I used to attend a mega black church and no one time did I hear of members being invited to any budget reviews.

zipporah
zipporah

@dani-BBW sometimes, if you don't go to church, it is good to listen to CHRISTIAN RADIO... like Focus on the Family, Family Life Today and other shows like that

BTW, Mark Gungor Show online is a good one to also listen to, and he has a sense of humor also...he could be very funny!

LadyHumor
LadyHumor

@dani-BBW Honestly, the only reason why I pay tithe is because I know exactly where my money goes, why it goes there, how its used, and is tax deductible. Granted, my denomination has a 'bottom-to-top' structure so it helps to keep potential villains in check and misuses of powers rarely happen. 

BWC
BWC

@SirLoinDeBeef @QueenAnne

First day of Catholic School, every year, you were sent home with a box of dated envelopes to use on Sundays.  Crazy because you are already paying tuition to attend.  And If you had three children in the school, you got three boxes of envelopes not one per family.  If you looked at the rectory during the summer, every window had an air conditioner. 

LovelyLulu
LovelyLulu

@LeCe @LovelyLulu  My mother made a huge fuss and practically started yelling after a crowd of those nuts surrounded her.  My father had to get into their faces so they would back off. He was not a very good husband or father, but he always protected us from danger.

The Jim Jones story is terrifying.  Any group that is more about worshipping the preacher than God gives me the creeps.

DeepWater
DeepWater

@LeCe @LovelyLulu I remember Jim Jones......a, sick, twisted, and perverted megalomaniac.  I had a boyfriend years ago whose previous girlfriend went to Jonestown, Guyana with "The People's Temple" and was subsequently murdered by literally drinking the Kool-Aid.


The church building stands today, in 2014, empty in San Francisco, CA.   NO ONE wants anything to do with the purchase of that church.........bad juju.


Jackie Speiers, a current California congresswoman, was shot 5 times, and has lived to tell, along with Leo Ryan, another California congressman, whom was killed I believe, along with the cameraman whom you linked footage to, while going to salvage the people there from that sick ****.


Anytime some clown tells you to leave everything to them and leave for another country you know nothing about......it's time to split, heard me?   That's what's up.  



horrorjunky
horrorjunky

Thanks. I've checked the website and Amazon and it looks like the only option I have is to buy it. Since I don't have much room on my tablet, I'll wait to see when the rent option is available.

LeCe
LeCe

Correction....Paul S. Mortin

LeCe
LeCe

@LadyHumor @Tammy_Ghalden   


And, do not try to talk against these preachers because their flock of sheep will defend them to the end.

Tammy_Ghalden
Tammy_Ghalden

@LadyHumor @Tammy_Ghalden If more Latinos and Asians continue to turn to Protestantism, I'm sure we'll see more of them as prosperity preachers taking advantage of the growing numbers. 

jesslabellefleur
jesslabellefleur

@zimekcyn @darkandlovely 


This is exactly my issue right now. Logically most of it don't make sense, but I find myself having to act around my family members and friends because I'm doubting my old faith which is starting to impact me and make me feel guilty.

dani-BBW
dani-BBW

@LadyHumor @dani-BBW Same here. Mine flows up from a local church into a conference, into a union and so on. I think Methodists and Catholics have something similar, whereas Baptist churches are much more autonomous.

Brenda55
Brenda55 moderator

@BWC @SirLoinDeBeef

Now that brings back memories.  I attended Catholic school from grades 1 through 12.  9AM Sunday was the children's Mass and those envelopes had better show up in the collection plate or else. You are right.  Each kid got his or her own box and the parents also go theirs. 

Tammy_Ghalden
Tammy_Ghalden

@DeepWater @LeCe @LovelyLulu Jim Jones specifically targeted poor, uneducated people, so a disproportionate number of his followers ended up being black. One filmmaker estimated that about 80% of his followers were African American. 

LadyHumor
LadyHumor

@Tammy_Ghalden @LadyHumor Hey now, I'm a child of Protestantism, so I believe the RCC and Evangelicals are at fault for this mess! XD (J/K)


But, seriously, this heresy is going to be an up-hill battle on all fronts.However, I believe that if you can get people to seriously study the Bible, this heresy can be stopped. The problem is...people aren't reading/studying their Bibles. If they did, this wouldn't even have a foothold in modern churches today. 

It's like watching a cow willingly go into a slaughterhouse because it refuses to read the building's sign.   SMH.   

ebonyrock86
ebonyrock86

Really does highlight what the Word says, 'My people perish for lack of knowledge.'

Tammy_Ghalden
Tammy_Ghalden

@LadyHumor @Tammy_Ghalden I'm a Protestant, but I think Latinos and Asians will become more vulnerable to the prosperity gospel as they start leaving Catholicism and eastern religions. The megachurches are as big as they are because they are good at attracting people. From what I've seen, megachurches and televangelists are mostly to blame for spreading prosperity gospel. 

LadyHumor
LadyHumor

@Tammy_Ghalden @LadyHumor Girl, don't get me started on televangelists! Aye, boy. Those men and women make Christainity a joke. Sigh. 


However, one of the ways I think we can stop these wolves is by getting the Bible into their hands and in a language they can read and understand. If we can do this, then they can protect themselves from this foolishness and won't be victims of these traps. 

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