Newt Gingrich Says Blacks Should Demand More Paychecks, Less Welfare. I Agree with Him.

Newt Gingrich Says Blacks Should Demand More Paychecks, Less Welfare. I Agree with Him.

Why is it offensive to suggest black people work for a living?

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All the usual suspects–NewsOne, The Grio, Your Black World,have thier arms up in the sky crying foul that old Newt said blacks should demand more paychecks and less welfare. NewsOne responded with this:

It is blatantly clear that Republicans are trying to recruit the worst possible elements of the GOP voting bloc. And it appears that the racially charged rhetoric of GOP candidates is bound to get worse. Come April or May, welfare comparisons to black people may seem tame.

Only in Opposite Land would it be offensive to suggest that people should demand work opportunities rather than WIC and food stamps. I mean, really? I am so disgusted that the main-stream black press supports poverty and protects the wholesale need of it. Why are 28% of black people content to live off the dole? Yes; 59% of welfare recipients are white, but they make up 70% of the population. Black folks make up 12%. You do the math (cuz I can’t) but I have a feeling the ratio of black versus white welfare recipents is what lopsided.

This is the problem the BC has: WE DO NOT STRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE AND SELF-SUFFICIENCY. There was a time when it would be humiliating for a family to seek welfare, and a MAN would work 50-11 jobs, 16 hours a day, with NO CAR, walking uphill both ways in the snow. I know the mainstream black press has their heads up their collective arses.

And this rant is brought to you from a FORMER welfare and WIC recipient who never NEVER got too comfortable on the dole. I wanted more, I worked for it (damn hard) and I got it.

Does this mean I’ll vote for Newt? Not on your life. But even a fool can say something wise every decade or so.

UPDATE FOR CONTEXT: Newt was responding to a BLACK reporter who asked a SPECIFIC question. Dude didn’t just say it out of the blue sky.

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MadamCJCPA 726 pts

Well, Newton Leroy Gingrich won the South Carolina primary proving once again that racist politics still reigns supreme south of the Mason-Dixon line.

That ^^^ and his apparently wanting an "open" marriage. I learned while living in Atlanta that swinging is BIG with Southerners.

Needless to say, the battle for Florida will be an interesting development to watch.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

MadamCJCPA

It seems to me that Newt neatly choreographed this scenario. As much as I despise the way he operates, I give him credit for knowing how to tap the hidden parts of the collective psyche of his target audience. He was playing to the crowd much more effectively than Romney, obviously, tapping into the deap-seated racism of that state. Let's not forget that this is the same state that kept re-electing Strom Thurmond.

I agree, Florida will be interesting, wiht it's mix of deep south "culture" and Yankee transplants. I lived there for many years, and I'm glad I left, even though it meant leaving a few friends behind. If I hadn't left, I probably wouldn't have survived my grief after Carolyn passed out of this physical existence.

reem11 363 pts

Newt Gringrich does not care about black people on welfare. The reason he brings this up is because he does not like the idea of President Obama wanting to tax the rich. Newt wants the president out of the WH. He is not being a spokes person for the black community. His only goal is to keep the president from being re-elected by whites or nonwhites who may vote against the GOP. He only wants to make the entire black community appear lazy and disfunctional. As I said before. There are many illegals, people who are not citizens who get welfare. You have cooperate welfare(the rich) and other kick backs they receive. But he only mentions the black community. I have a real problem with this. As I must be remain prayerfull. Btw everyone will not get that degree many of us have. I was at the hospital today with my sick relative. I saw several black cleaning women and men working. I also saw those who were delivering meals. These people work hard. Harder than Gringrich. Some were nurses. Some were in administration. A few doctors. And there are other jobs that have black employees. I have to ask where is the compassion. We have arrived but feel we can be dog matic about others. Again yes there are those who abuse the system. But abusers can be the poor,the lazy and the rich. And they come in many races. They do not all look like me. Black in America.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Bam and you're gone, remember I snatch wigs! That's your first warning.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Trolls and concern trolls please heed the warning, we're not going to have it. Insults toward any members of this community and will be taken down.

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

eugeniamitchell Thanks for having my back E! It's funny, some members of the GAT-DL are HORRIFIED that someone differ from the script. Eh. Oh well.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Christelyn You're welcome. We all got your back, yes it's like if you have an inkling of difference then somehow it's okay to try to degrade you as a person. Like you're no longer worthy of respect. It's such a bully tactic. They been moving and grooving this week might be getting ready for a full moon.

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

You know what I think it's happening? The blog is getting big. They see where it's going and they are frightened. Truly frightened. But we're not going away, and we don't have ANYONE to answer to but each other. They'll just have to take their marbles and go home. eugeniamitchell

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

Christelyn eugeniamitchell

The smart ones will but most Trolls and Orcs are not smart so we will continue to hunt them.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Brenda55Christelyn Yea the dumb ones always come back, they never learn SMH. So yes I shall continue wig snatching LOL.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Christelyn I must commend you for saving your resources for important thing, I remember the 1st NWNW how frustrating it was for you trying to acknowledge and answer all the foolishness. But now you seem less concerned about that, it's a good thing. You still give out lots of examples of the foolishness but less and less of trying answer the unreasonable. I really commend you for it. We all have a finite amount of resources we can't waste on every stupid nitwit that rolls in here with a bone to pick.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Brenda55Christelyn Thanks for handling Drew Brenda I figure that was you, I'm so weary of him. His constant boundary crossing and lecturing was just getting on my last nerve.

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

eugeniamitchellBrenda55Christelyn His input was not needed. We had already communicated with Pearl and that should have been that. His 2 cents were not needed and was turned to a general criticism of the women here. Secondly in attempting to admonish Pearl he used foul language himself. Please.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Brenda55Christelyn LOL yea you got him quick. The language was disgusting the use of the 'c' word even with an asterisk in it is not okay. And yes it was insult to all of us.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

Brenda55eugeniamitchellChristelyn

But where is the criticism in the bc and the bmedia about the issues we discuss? Why don't they deal with those issues honestly and responsibly? Could it be that they're too comfortable with the status quo?

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

NATruthstudentBrenda55eugeniamitchellChristelyn

When you see yourself as under siege and in the bunker solidarity is prized above all and the contrary opinion is suspect and suppressed. For the good of the group my friend, for the good of the group.

Those most comfortable with status quo are usually those who most benefit form it. Those who benefit most from it are in the best positions to shape the message and enforce their will and silence decent. So again the contrary opinion is not appreciated. Why would anyone be open for a discussion that undermines their position. Vested interests are the coin of the realm in this game leaving the contrarians with no other options than to set sail for new lands to establish a colony elsewhere.

The BC and the BMedia can do what ever it likes. We here live in a much bigger place called the gobal community and it is the global media that shapes our opinion. That is the way of the future not looking back.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

Brenda55eugeniamitchellChristelyn

That's an excellent point, Brenda. It's true, and it's correct. But that doesn't make it RIGHT. I have always been, and shall always be, something of a "Don Quixote", jousting at a variety of windmills.

My modus operandi is heavily dependent on Gandhi's teaching, "The friend you must cultivate is that part of your enemy which knows the truth." Sometimes I make some headway, other times I'm stymied. That's life. But I keep on keeping on, because to do otherwise would be the equivalent of giving up.

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/opinion/blow-the-gops-black-people-platform.html?_r=1&emc=tnt&tntemail1=y

Opinion piece from the NYT

empressc 28 pts

Because he, like others, presume that we do NOT work and that Black people are the principle recipients of public assistance when we are not. It perpetuates the stereotype.

ktzmiao 13 pts

The premise of Newt's statement was that someone was 'demanding' food stamps over a paycheck. I do not know one person, black or white that would rather have food stamps over a decent paycheck. I know people, black people, who will starve before they apply for benefits from the government. I've seen it with my own eyes.

That being said I am not naive enough to believe that there are not people in this country who are happy to receive government support and are not interested in working, period. Those people come in all shades.

That is where the insult lies, not in the idea that more white people are receiving benefits than black people but in the premise that black people have to be taught to prefer working and a paycheck over receiving a government handout. If Newt's point was that people of all colors should prefer a paycheck over welfare that would be one thing, however, he chose to specifically make black people the target of his rhetoric. This is based on the idea that black people, not people, black people should desire a paycheck over welfare. The insult was his and it was clear.

I am not so sophisticated nor am I such a 'new negro' that I don't recognize an insult when one is levied in the direction of my people. I know too many people who work too hard against unimaginable obstacles to put my degrees on my shoulder and act like I don't smell what he's shoveling.

reem11 363 pts

I can agree that some people are abusing welfare and should not be receiving it. Many others benefit from it. At present without jobs how are some of these people going to survive. But I can also say Mr Gingrich does not care about the unclass. He is only trying to cause division. Why now talk about the "bondage" of welfare it has been around for quite sometime now. This is just away to make Obama look bad and deter voters. Btw what about all the black people who work and pay their share of taxes. No mention of other groups (races) who receive welfare. Tax payers come in all races. Welfare recipients come in all races. You have lots of people who live here illegally who recieve welfare. No mention of these groups. Obama is black so he decides to use black people as the scape goat.

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

A friend of mine posted his thoughts about this on FB this morning and as usual most black people had the typical knee jerk reactions and started calling both Newt and Rick racist, stupid and ignorant and most of them kept throwing out "Well 70% percent of white people are on welfare" quote and that's all they had for their arguements nothing else. So what I said to them was when you think about any type of assistance that black people have been a part of has it made our lives better when you think about it? I'd rather have a paycheck than welfare so I am especially glad to have been employed especially during this down economy. What gets me about black folks is that we are so used to being in gov't based programs all the time that when we are challenged to do better many bp really just want to be given handouts, it's sad that this current generation has learned this behavior from others. It's like many bp cannot make up their minds which way they want to go they give the appearance of wanting to do better but in reality too many dbr blacks still want to be apathetic about the times we live in and that the way we lived in the past is done and over with and yet these folks cannot wrap their brain around this and are still trying to live life as if it were back in the days well those days are over and these people cannot understand they we live in a new century and the old ways are being done away with and the goverment is looking for ways get out from all this support of people that are both disabled and abled bodied.

If they would just learn to use their brains and think more critically they would understand what is now at stake and begin renewing their minds towards better living instead taking the typical position of always labelling a white politician as a racist for daring to challenge black people to do better for themselves but as always the dbr's take what was said as negative and then they get off focus from the real issues.

empressc 28 pts

So you are saying most Black people are on public assistance, are not motivated to do better and cannot think?

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

empressc I am sure they can think for themselves however many don't and choose not to and when you get free money that you don't have to work for and pay taxes on would you be motivated to go out find work?

empressc 28 pts

ELLE ROCHELLE

That's steretypical to say that many don't think for themselves. If I were a crook and trying to get over on the system, you can bet money I'm going to think of the best way to do so. There's a crook for every system that is set up to help other people. I noticed that he didn't make mention of the monies he received through Fannie Mae even though he is a millionaire. Some of the biggest crooks in society have been the rich and//or politicians. I, for one, have an issue with his singling out Black people as if we are the dregs of society and that no other groups benefit from government assistance. Poverty does not recognize or note color. However, people do. It was and is a scare tactic to make White voters think that we, in the Black community, are leeches on society.

Why is it that the whole community gets judged and measured by images portrayed through the media? For every welfare recipient, I know 2-3 ppl who WORK every day to make lives better for their families. That doesn't get shown. What is disturbing to me is when WE of the community began to believe the press we see of ourselves.

reem11 363 pts

empressc Elle ROCHELLE "What is disturbing to me is when WE of the community began to believe the press we see of ourselves". Exactly.

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

empressc Unfortunately it's a true stereotype that black folk of this type live up to daily yet when it's talked about by a white politician the charges of racism come from knee jerk reactionary black folks that don't want to address the problem that is still going on today. Let's not act brand new about this we know some black folks that are more than content to just get public assistance rather than get a real job and earn a paycheck in dignity. We know many of these types that will not only stay on this assistance but have no intention of getting off simply because it's just too easy to continue to get govenment money handed to you for years and years and they because used to this way of life. I agree with you on one things black people shouldn't always be singled out for being the drains on the countries resources but we live in an unfair world but we as a people have the power to change our way of life and thinking but as I said many choose to do otherwise. Saying "Well look at what these crooks are doing" isn't going to help our image any better. Funny we hate it we others or even when any of us hold up a mirror to ourselves and then we don't like what we see staring back but still apathetic to do anything better to improve the situation and instead of addressing this issue you'd rather circumnavigate the conversation somewhere else I know of people that work 2 and 3 jobs as well my own mother a single woman raised 4 children and worked 2 jobs to provide for us not once has she ever thought about getting welfare but then again not everyone is my mom.

empressc 28 pts

ELLE ROCHELLE I didn't have a knee-jerk reaction. I listened and didn't like what I heard. I still don't like what he said. I found him to be arrogant and pompous. That is MY opinion. Furthermore, I understood the vein in which it was intended. He meant to scare White voters into thinking the Black people are taking all the government's money. It was a tactic to divide people.

empressc 28 pts

ELLE ROCHELLE

Most of the Black people I know work. I didn't see this on t.v. This is what I know. I wasn't twisting the conversation away from the fact that there are people who abuse the welfare system and use it as a crutch to remain the same. My point was and is that other people BESIDES Black people do that too. Don't single us out as societal burdens. That is another issue I have with what was stated. My other point is that everyone on welfare or receiving food stamps is not abusing the system or using it as a crutch. There are people with genuine needs. I have been blessed enough not to be in that situation. However, should I ever need it in the future (God forbid), I'd definitely use it. I've

worked 26 years and have faithfully paid into FICA...

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

empressc Good Evening: You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. However it comes down to this as I've said we have the power to change our situations if we so desire.

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

empressc I get that there are those with real needs but its the ones abusing the system that make it tough for those that don't abuse it.

empressc 28 pts

Absolutely true. That's why I say there's a crook for every system. I see a lot in the business I've worked in-as a counselor in the GDC and EEO. So, I get what you are saying...

ELLE ROCHELLE 61 pts

I do see your point as well and I know there are more than whites on welfare than black ppl but unfortunately we don't have the representation that we need out there to be our voice against these kinds of attacks.

Monique8 412 pts

I personally find his commets, Ron Paul's comments and Santorum's comments to be offensive, base and insulting. LOTS of black people work and have always done so. Please show me where Blacks more thatn any other group is asking for welfare and food stamps? Why don't these men ask the question why is there is such a disporportioate number of poor Black people in this country in proportion to our actual numbers? Ohh i know we're jus lazy, and shiftless and ignorant with no work ethic. Funny, when Balck demand jobs and fight to be hired and to get equal opportunity in industries and businesses we're called whiners for palying the race card and are affirmative action hires. Just can't seem to catch a break with these Republicans/Conservative.

Monique8 412 pts

I've never been on welfare and Ihope I never find myself in a position where I need welfare. Should Blacks demand better for thmesleves? Absolutely. Should Blacks strive for excellence? Absolutely. Should racist, privileged, entilted white people quit pandering to other white people's latent racism for politcal gain and glory? Absolutely. Newt Gingrich is a cheat, a liar, an adulterer, an unethical politican the only one to ever be censored by the Senate with an over grown ego where memebrs in his own party who know him well say he's NOT the man you want for president. As my mother would, "Newt, ga si dong." (traslation: go sit down and get the hell out of my face).

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts moderator

Monique8 I have been astounded by how many Republicans dislike him and I was expecting someone to just come out and say 'well he's just a jack@ss' and yes I do have some issues with a person as morally bankrupt as him telling anyone anything.

Patricia Kayden 543 pts

Is Newt equating Blacks with welfare? Ditto Santorum?

Yes, way too many Blacks are satisfied with stank behavior, but I wish Newt, et al would acknowledge that there are many of us who are doing just fine, thank you very much. I've never been on welfare, nor have my parents or immediate family. I'm not AA, but I am sure that many AAs could say the same.

Just say that all trifling people should get off welfare, regardless of their race.

But yes, I agree that Blacks make up a large percentage of those on the public teat. And like Cosby said, we can do better.

By the way, I would love to see Newt at the NAACP conference. Would be a hoot. For some reason, I think if they actually invited him, he wouldn't show up. He's not going to be the Republican nominee anyways so I guess he can say whatever he dang well pleases.

MadamCJCPA 726 pts

I was discussing New Gingrich with my father and he reminded me of this little saying, "ask all you want, it doesn't mean you will get it." The more I think on it, Newt is basically passing the buck to both black people and their employers. If more black people "ask for more paychecks" what is it costing him? Nada, I say because he knows with the way that employment laws (i.e. at-will states) are set up the employer holds all the cards. You can ask, plead, demand, strike, boycott, etc. (until the cows come home) for a raise and/or "more paychecks," but your employer is in no way obligated to acquiesce. Most employers if they have the money to do so will either: fire you and hire someone less likely to complain, outsource the job and lay you and many others off in the process, or just ship their entire operations over to one of the many cheap labor emerging markets.

So until we as a country stop fighting amongst ourselves in proclaiming that any old job (irregardless) is better than no job and start holding these major corporations accountable then it will be the same ol' status quo (business as usual).

Games44112 160 pts

"blacks should demand more paychecks, not welfare."

i think that despite whats going on in our community, we need to look at this statement for what it is and who it's from.

It's not a call to action, it's a mud pie to the face. He realistically is not saying this out of concern, but to be provocative. He now appeals to parties looking for someone to blame for their economic woes. His statement says, "blame the societal leaches." And thinkers of that sort only hear a couple of things in his statement: blacks and welfare.

It's not acceptable because of who he is. He done this before, launched open ended insults based on a crumb of truth and stepped away.

The welfare issue must be addresses. He's not addressing it. It goes beyond the black community. The attitude within our community is a SEPARATE ISSUE. Saying that this is a "black" issue means it's left for us, and us alone, to resolve. That's not acceptable.

We have issues to fix. One of them is our leadership issue. I cannot accept Newt as the leader of this cleanup crew.

Games44112 160 pts

Just listened to the full clip. He has no idea what the issue is. He goes from paychecks to welfare to the NAACP to some fictional meeting (unplanned as of late) to black people.

What road of awareness is that?! Not to mention the patriarchal and condescending tone.

"Black welfare recipiants: i will fix your problems .... just take my hand! Priceless.

Jay from Philly 665 pts

It's red meat to his base. He doesn't want to fix anything, because if he did he couldn't use this as a way to distract from larger economic woes. It's comparable to Rick Perry's ads aimed at social conservatives, somehow linking gays serving in the military to not being able to celebrate Christmas.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

Games44112

The only thing Newt wants to clean up is whatever is in our pockets and bank accounts. After which, we'll have less than nothing there. Nice and clean.

Law Wanxi 3314 pts

Herman Cain's [remember him? Famous about three 'flavours of the week' ago.] made a big icky splash with the 'Plantation' remark. Problem is, he's right even more than he probably realizes.

Identity politics, and it's all identity politics now, has put nearly everyone on some political party's plantation. Democrats "own" Blacks, Jews, University faculty, Japanese-Americans [can someone explain that one, given FDR and internment], military haters and several others. Consequently, they don't have to actually DO anything for them, as they will not jump ship and vote for The Dreaded Elephant. President Obama has the Jewish lobby totally inflamed and, like what, are the Jews going to vote Republican? No; they'd vote National Socialist Workers Party before they voted Republican. I know; insensitive; deal with it. Truth hurts.

The Republican Plantation "owns" Evangelicals, Right-to-Life, DOMA fans, White Males of lower economic status [see remark about Japanese-Americans, vice off-shoring of industry], most of the military and those who want "less government" in their lives. So, lots of talk and no action for them. Thanks for the vote, but no cookie for you.

Nobody really owns Hispanics, yet. The Democrats think they do, but they don't. Besides, Hispanics are like Asians, too many little fragmented groups, conveniently scooped into an arbitrary label.

Solution? Start seeing ourselves as Americans, not "Dash Americans". Some very elderly lady came in the office a few weeks ago. Old as the hills [she could remember when they were mountains, pre-erosion] with her retired son for some sleep issue. She peers out at me through cataracts and says, "Are you a Chinaman?" Her grey/bald son gets this look on his face like Oh No Mom, Not Again.

I answered back that I'm an American. Pulled out my Naval Reserve ID from my wallet and handed it to her. Gets out her magnifier from her purse, looks at it, and says, "Oh, OK; my great-grandson's in the Air Force."

Veron 558 pts

Law Wanxi "Start seeing ourselves as Americans, not "Dash Americans"."

Emphatic agreement! WiIl someone please stamp this on a t-shirt? If not on everyone's forehead.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

Law Wanxi

I like the way you think, Law. I tend to be more diplomatic most of the time, and it therefore sometimes takes more time to get my point across.

Funny, that phrase, "Dash American". My first thought was Stacey Dash. I know, bad boy, I'll go sit in the time-out chair as soon as I'm done with this post. LOL. Right on the heels of that, I recalled Whoopie Goldberg's book, entitled "Book" (go figure, that's Whoopie). One of the things she wrote is, "Don't call me an African-American. When you put anything in front of American, it takes away from being American. I'm an American of African descent."

Law Wanxi 3314 pts

NATruthstudent

Hmmm, my first thought was "Mrs. Dash". Great for low-sodium diets.

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

Law Wanxi

I try to leave the artificial foods and condiments alone. Natural and organic is much healthier.

Karla 2841 pts

Law Wanxi No "dash" American for this girl. Are we the only country that does this? I think we are because, in my travels, I've never heard anyone else do it. My nieces are dual citizens living in Germany; they're just German, not "American-German".

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

KarlaLaw Wanxi

Could you imagine a comedian taking this issue on? Take me, for example.

My biological heritage is German, Irish, and Scot. My first wife was a three-part Puerto Rican (Spanish, Caribbean, and African. Taken to it's logical (and hilarious) extreme, that would make my (our) son a German-Irish-Scot-Spanish-Afro-Carribean-American.

And I'm positive that there would be even longer and more cumbersome combinations!

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