OMG Fitz! Olivia! Dear God In Hebbin!!!

 kendrat199 Kendra no therapist can help huck...........................

 dani-BBW He's becoming a drunk. He needs to be honest with himself and forgive the people in his life before its too late.

 dani-BBW  maybe muppet Jesus

 SarahRegiste Did'nt even look like he Frendhed her like he does Liv.

With Liv it lookes like he is trying to swollow her whole. 

 SarahRegiste This made me laugh much longer than was necessary

Enjoyed watching the above clips.

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@Brenda55 She is funny.

 Brenda55 Lol! Thanks for this, Brenda! She is hilarious!

 Brenda55 I CANNOT BREATHE RN. LOOOOOOOOOL!

 Brenda55 It has been so exciting to see a fandom grow from the ground up! So much creativity and talent. 

 Brenda55 lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 Brenda55 Oh. My. Word! She is ridiculously hilarious!

 Brenda55  OK...i LOVE her...she is a foo!!!

 Kiwiwriter Glad to see you back David.  I would have loved to have seen that plot line on L&O. Michael Moriarty is one of my favorite actors.  I was heart broken when he left the show.  Wonder if he rolls that way in real life?  Would not be surprised if he did. 

 Brenda55 Haven't a clue...the only things I know about Ms. Toussaint is that her family is from the West Indies, she is an expert on landscaping, and did a show with Annie Potts about two girls who grow up together, about them as kids and adults. I don't recall the name of the show. Moriarty is a tremendous actor, and I remember him best as the evil Nazi SS Major in "Holocaust," sending Jews to their deaths and finding legalistic explanations for it. That made him more impressive to me as ADA Ben Stone, becoming a paladin for the law and honor...he was colder than his successor Jack McCoy, and I find it hard to choose between them as favorite characters. He's living up in Canada now, semi-retired.

 Brenda55 I just checked, Ms. Toussaint's show was "Any Day Now." And guess what? She's in "Scandal!" She plays a pastor's wife who discovers her late husband cheated on her. There's a lousy deal both ways around. A Daily Beast article argues that she should get an Oscar or Emmy for her latest work. Good luck to her.

 blackpanthershay i would rather they didn't. The only black woman on that show is treated like a mule.

 Afrostyling  I am waiting for my Bamon

 Jamila 

No you're not.... I like her too.

 Jamila judging you http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no.gif

 Jamila 

LOL, well, I don't like Mellie, but I like seeing what she's going to do next or say next. Like when Cyrus tells her Verna died and she's like oh well...RIP...so away, like I was saying......

hahahaha....At this point, I have contempt for her.

 Jamila I love her lines! "I will bury him and then dance on his grave." Ahahahaha

 Jamila Not just you. Like Fitz said, Mellie's the realest of all of them. Still rooting for Fitz & Liv, but I like Mellie. Maybe when his political career is over for trying to marry his mistress, Mellie will become President, Hillary style. I'd watch that show.

 ieishah  Jamila This may be sacrilege but I may not be shipping OLITZ much longer. 

I may have been blinded by the BW/WM IRR  aspect of the show.  Liv is getting on my last nerve.  If she were a WW acting the way she has been I'd have ripped into her long ago and if Fitz were a BM I would have done the same. 

Liv knew that man's situation from the door. I have come to the conclusion that she really never loved Fitz. She is married to her job and is an adrenaline junky. The girl gets off on pain porn.  

@DarlingNikki69 Does Fitz have no idea that Mellie was also involved in the decision?

 Bren82  DarlingNikki69 I believe he knows about her involvement. Mellie doesn't care about anyone aside from #1. That's who she is-trying to get ahead by any means necessary. It isn't that he is ok with her involvement, it's that it's easier for him to accept. If he were to tell Mellie about the murder, she'd hold it over him but, she does want him to remain president so she won't say a word!

Olivia on the other hand, tries to do what is best for everyone even if it goes against her own feelings.  She believed in Fitz and was the last person to agree to the rigging.  At that point, it was going to happen whether she wanted to or not but her agreement was as much a way to protect her future as well as those around her. The decision ate away at her and while there are many things she can do she doesn't do murder.  Fitz knows that deep down, she did it out of love and while he is disappointed in her actions, he knows that his actions are beyond anything she'd ever do.  

I think that will come out as the season unfolds she and Fitz will end up together.  It isn't that they are over-they're just on hold. 

 Bren82  DarlingNikki69 Yes. Verna told him. He knows about all of them.

 DarlingNikki69 hahaha! It's okay, that's what makes it fun to discuss! I'm not really an emotionally driven person, I'm more pragmatic. So, it's gonna take a lot more for me to get to a place where I can ship them as having this wonderful, great love. Right now, what I see is chemistry/compatibility and a similar moral outlook, like I've described below. HOWEVER, right now, they are not healthy whole people to me capable of loving someone else in a way that is not harmful to the other person, because of the places in which they are damaged. Fitz has daddy issues and a resulting love deficit, which causes him to be insecure and when he feels insecure and unloved he turns to the first available woman. Unhealthy! And emotionally dangerous for a potential partner! There has to be some kind of catalyst for him to resolve this issue, otherwise it's going to come up again and again. I mean, we just saw him murder someone who brought up his father at an inopportune time! Yooooo.....

Olivia seems to have an obsession with fixing other people/their problems, to the point of her own emotional detriment. As well as the collateral damage of others (Fitz was just the most recent casualty, but there's been Lindsay/Quinn, Abby, David, etc). While she had good motives (trying to protect Fitz from finding out about the election, saving Abby's life from Hollis, etc), WHY is she so driven to play God? Something about it all doesn't seem to stem from a healthy place. I am sure it will all come out as we learn her backstory.

So when her you take her flaws and his flaws, there are directly opposed which results in significant emotional damage. He interprets her "fixing things" through his lens of insecurity as a vote of no-confidence. Without some sort of outside, sane catalyst that helps them individually or jointly work through their issues, I do not believe they can love each other in a healthy way. I would love to see the writers introduce a friend for Olivia, a White House pastor for Fitz or make them remotely stranded, ALONE, in a fire or something for 5 days where they actually talk and are vulnerable with each other. Until then, I can't ship them AS IS.

 dani-BBW  DarlingNikki69 it would be great to hear her story for sure!  

 DarlingNikki69 You should write little excerpts involving who's cray cray in each episode. I'd read the hell out of those posts!

@Brenda55 I've always wanted to ask the question of where Edison came from and how the hell he and Liv came together. He was like an alien from outer space coming to earth: very unexpected. I sensed no chemistry between them at all although Edison deeply cared about her. She was just not there because she is not in love with him. Let's see what her future holds.

 Bren82  Brenda55 I've seen more chemistry between her and Captain Jake (mmmm!) in the 5 minutes of a phone call than all the moments Olivia spent with Edison. Thankfully he's gone for good and she doesn't have to question why she didn't change her locks. 

@SirLoinDeBeef OMG! Maury! Maury!...

@SirLoinDeBeef OMG! Maury! Maury!...

 BeautyIAM I actually don't see them as having a strong love. I see it as two super damaged people who are co-dependent and without the help of a good therapist, will never love and communicate with each other in a healthy way. But, they are similar morally. They don't enjoy doing bad stuff. Whereas Mellie and Cyrus just don't care so long as their individual selfish reasons are attained. I just really, really want Olivia to run far, far away from him.

 dani-BBW  BeautyIAM 

I would need to see more of Olivia and who she is to really see how damaged she is. Fitz for sure has problems. I think their lack of communication comes from the circumstances of their relationship. But from I see, its love.