Beyond Black & White
Chronicles, Musings and Debates about Interracial & Intercultural Relationships
February 7, 2013 | Christelyn Karazin |
I did not suspect and I did not see it coming.Fritz Surprised me to the inth degree!!!!
Im still reeling from the show.
I have no choice but to tune in next Thursday!!!!
I just cannot deal……I can’t……..http://media.tumblr.com/870ff69ff3d753fa35fb4984010e7f9b/tumblr_inline_mhw4v3Wwn41qz4rgp.gif
Between Vampire Diaries and Scandal I was a bloody mess tonight…..still am
@blackpanthershay That video is hilarious and I 2nd that emotion.
@Quita @blackpanthershay That video is hilarious and I am soooooooooooooooooooooo behind! LOL!
@blackpanthershay Me too! Although I am waiting for them to be done with “the cure” story line. Hopefully next episode we’ll know what happens. I’ve been sitting on the edge of my seat/getting annoyed with how long they are dragging this out.
Scandal was crazy tonight as well! I can’t believe knows! I am so curious to see what happens next! We haven’t seen Fitz play politics yet. He holds most of the cards now.
EFF YOU VERNA EFF YOU VERNA EFF YOU VERNA EFF YOU VERNA EFF YOU VERNA EFF YOU VERNA
-awesome scene with James and Cyrus naked – physically and emotionally so
-Harrison being the sole person who could get Abby in line, FINALLY. I might be able to ship Dabbison, lol
-Quinn and her poor little one track mind that’s obsessed with Hollis Doyle
-Huck perking up too quickly at the chance for a “sip of whiskey”
I LOVE that we are seeing Olivia’s dark side. She’s super damaged and a drama junkie. At least she owns that for whatever reason, she can’t do normal. Can’t wait to get her backstory.
Fitz on the other hand. I hope to HELL he isn’t serious about Mellie and that’s some kind of trap. I was really annoyed with him on twitter last night, and as usual all of the apologists came out hard to defend him. He’s damaged- damn close to beyond repair- but what really frustrates me with him is that he’s so clueless about how damaged he is. He’s this tornado of dysfunction that brings his mess around whatever woman is around, and then disrupts her life. The waffling is almost unbelievable. And people just make excuses for him! Sounds familiar, lol.
Anyway, I do love that he offed Verna. Her time was short anyway. Very interested to see how committing murder changes that character long term.
Finally, the cognitive dissonance on this show is literally scrambling my brain. LOL!
@dani-BBW Judging by next week’s trailer, I think we are going to see more of damaged Fitz.
@dani-BBW btw, did anyone noticed how buffed Cyrus was? I mean wow! Not bad looking naked!lol!
@ForeverSerenity Wait, what? CYRUS???
@ForeverSerenity @dani-BBW Sorry, I was too busy eyeing James, with his cute self. 😉
@ForeverSerenity @dani-BBW I noticed and boy was that a surprise!This episode was full of the unexpected. Kind of reminded me of the first time Ned Flanders shed his shirt on The Simpsons.
YES about Fitz being damaged. People need to get a clue. Homie is DAMAGED. I mean, look at how his father treated him. He clearly has issues because his father was not the most nurturing guy. So I know that their are skeletons in his closet. I love Fitz’s charm and many of the things we have seen about him, but he has problems JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE SHOW.
I’m ignoring the Fit’z apologists because if they can’t see his flaws and treat him like superman, they are not going to adequately see they dynamics of the relationship he has with Olivia.
THIS. SHIT. JUST. GOT. REAL.
Olivia don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like it when I get angry.
I am out.
An snap @Brenda55 brought it President Ghost!
Fitz is in pain. Olivia was the one person he thought believed in him and loved him unconditionally. The news shattered him. He only turned to Mellie because she did stay true to herself, a coldhearted snake who only wants him because she craves power. Next week, I think it’s 10 months after Fitz found out the news. Can’t wait!
I just don’t know how am I supposed to like him now? He used to be innocent but now he’s not. this is a whole new side of him. I was guessing what he did but when I actually saw it….I don’t know how to feel now!
@Elegance Fitz went to the Dark Side! He is trying to protect his Presidency and perhaps cover for Olivia. If she hadn’t been involved I’m not sure he would have killed Verna.
@Elegance @foreverhopeful I think this is a good thing! He’s got to have some as we say backbone afterall!
@ForeverSerenity @Elegance His alpha side is taking over.
@ForeverSerenity @foreverhopeful I wonder if he has done some other really bad things in the past that we don’t know about. Maybe he actually is ruthless…this is very Star Wars actually…Darth Fitz is born…,
@Elegance @ForeverSerenity @foreverhopeful “I wonder if he has done some other really bad things in the past”
Along those lines of though… Didn’t Fitz’s father die of a heart attack? Sure Fitz received the text about it while on a plane full of people; but how’d the heart attack happen in the first place? Hmmm…. Darth Fitz born, or perhaps Senator Palpatine showing more of his Darth Sidious side? LOL. Posted as fun, not serious at all. 🙂
“I wonder if he has done some other really bad things in the past”
Along those lines of thought… Didn’t Fitz’s father die of a heart attack? Sure Fitz received the text about it while on the campaign plane; but how’d the heart attack happen in the first place? Hmmm…. Darth Fitz born, or perhaps Senator Palpatine showing more of his Darth Sidious side? Just kidding. LOL. 🙂
Oh, and they’ve introduced a new white guy for Olivia to date. Can’t wait to see how Star Jones takes the news.
Oh shadeful one @Toni_M Love it!
@LadyLittlefoot @Toni_M I still crack up at Joshua Malina’s “throwing shade” tweet. I was like, “What you know about ‘throwing shade,’ David Rosen?” lol Absolutely love him!
@Toni_M She’s already keeled over w/anger!lol! No rejoicing for her on that score!lol!
i was wondering who these ppl were. I don’t watch tv. I’ll go download and catch up, I guess. I hate you all.
@tracyreneejones LOL @ Tracey!
Shonda and her crew are trying to give a girl a heart attack. What the heck Cyrus Beene?!? I don’t know what I would’ve done had he gone through with his plan to use Charlie.
I knew as soon as Verna mentioned Fitz’s father, I knew what was about to happen. Serious daddy issues. Wow.
Hello Scott Foley! So interested to see how they’re going to try and pull off a new love distraction … um, interest. He’s supposed to be on multiple episodes. Fitz may be pissed and disillusioned now but I guess we’ll see what that looks like once 10 months have passed. I’d have to rethink Fitz’s brand of “painful, difficult, devastating, life changing, extraordinary love” if Mr. Foley was standing in front of me.
Finally, what did someone DO to David Rosen?!? Can’t wait until next Thursday. 🙂
For those who missed it, the “Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot” (gotta love that title) promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx2ricogSn4
P.S. – Tony Goldwyn’s walk? Why is it so ridiculously sexy? Just asking.
@WorldTravelingChic oh bring on Scott Foley, can’t wait for the distraction!lol!
@WorldTravelingChic girl he tweeted this yesterday about his walk, LMAO-
Tony Goldwyn @tonygoldwyn
“@MsClutchPearls: President Fitz @tonygoldwyn walks like a black man! Nice! #askScandal” Been working on it for years… 😉
@dani-BBW @tonygoldwyn LOL! Must say that all those years of hard work have paid off! Law’a mercy! 😉
@dani-BBW Oh, it’s working all right! Mercy!
I still can’t get over Fitz not only killing Verna, but rejecting Olivia. He is not who he seemed to be. And yeah, Verna should never have mentioned Fitz’s father. He hated the man. Verna’s not a very good judge of character.
@AndreaLThorsen He DID get shot in the head, remember – that’ll do that to a guy.
As for Verna, she would’ve enjoyed her last 15 minutes, had she kept her mouth shut. But you know, once you start confessing, you just sometimes can’t stop…
@oekmama Good points. Hopefully, he will become more understanding after spending some time away from Olivia and missing her. And then she’ll find out that he killed Verna and change her mind about him (hope not though).
“But you know, once you start confessing, you just sometimes can’t stop…” LOL.
@AndreaLThorsen verna just wanted to clear her conscience and take everyone w/her on her death bed! Coward! Man, what good writing!!!
@ForeverSerenity Yes, Verna is a coward. She got Huck brutally tortured, and she said that she wished she’d let Quinn got to prison and likely get executed for something she didn’t do. I’m still holding that against her. If Olivia hadn’t figured it out Verna never would have called David Rosen nor confessed to Fitz. I think she wanted to beat Olivia to the punch.
I think it’s funny how Fitz thinks his wife is so innocent when she had a hand in this too. On the other hand, I probably would’ve responded the same way he did. When someone betrays you, it’s hard to get over that. Another thing I noticed…Olivia has another cute love interest in the upcoming show and makes Fitz all types of jealous. Love this kind of drama!
I think hes able to forgive Mellie because he already knows she ruthless. He has Olivia on a pedestal and her involvement probably hurt the most.
@NoDramaCiCi That’s how I took the scenes, too. He knows who Mellie is and what she is capable of but Olivia is his “perfect” love. I guess when you’re starry eyed over someone it’s easy to forget that they are still human and capable of mistakes.
@IntegratedMemoirs I’m sure Fitz will have his revenge over Mellie, and it’s always better to keep your enemies closer, he’s married to her after all!
Lots of crazy stuff this episode. It was hard seeing Olivia being dumped by the Fitz in the end, but as we all know men don’t actually leave their wives for their mistresses. I’ve been saying for weeks that she should leave him alone, she doesnt have to be with Edison (he’s not sexy) but definately not wait around for this doomed (but sexy) affair.
Cyrus is ruthless and James should leave him. I dont know what to say about Fitz killing Verna…
Since I am across the pond I had to wait for the show to upload and it did not disappoint!
My reactions (as posted to Twitter)
That scene with Cyrus & James is #Emmy worthy!!! I laughed, I cried & I was left open mouthed.
That’s right Abby, contraband goes in the bra!
Life changing & extraordinary yes. Painful & difficult, Olivia needs therapy. @IyanlaVanzant please fix her!
Verna shouldn’t have mentioned Fitz’s Daddy. Talk about the straw that broke Fitz’s moral compass
Dang, PresidentGhost’s eyes are very ghostlike.
You lie Mellie. You love the status & power that being by Fitz’s side give you, not Fitz the man.
That’s all I got for now.
@LadyLittlefoot lol @ call to IyanlaVanant for help!
@LadyLittlefoot “contraband goes in the bra!” bahaha yass!
@LadyLittlefoot “Verna shouldn’t have mentioned Fitz’s Daddy. Talk about the straw that broke Fitz’s moral compass” <—- THIS! She might have been able to keep her oxygen mask if she hadn’t thrown his name into it
@LadyLittlefoot I don’t know…I think Mellie loves Fitz as much as she could possibly love anyone.
@ieishah You are right about that. Some folks are just not capable of deep soul connecting love but you can’t be mad at them for that. Mellie is ambitious and that does not leave room for much else in her soul/life.
I was between Scadal and USA’s Suits last night. I chose to stick with Suits which was filled with great dramatic scenes as well. I’ll probably watch Scandal online later. Anyone else familiar with Suits? Love Gina Torres and Gabriel Macht.
@ShyVi I do, but will have to play catch up! Scandal has me wrapped around it’s pen at the moment!lol!~
OMG!!! Glad that I wasn’t the only one… I split my screen and bounced back and forth between both shows, Lol. I love SUITS, Gabriel Macht and Patrick Adams are HOT! Megan Markle and Gina Torres hold their own as well. This show is incredible!
@Karla00 @Forever Serenity I thought I was alone in my love for SUITS. I love Scandal too, but when Suits returned in January, I knew I had to be reunited with my current fantasy hottie Gabriel Macht. Both guys are hot though. And I have loved Gina Torres ever since Xena and Hercules. Love that she plays the boss of a corporate law firm.
@ShyVi @Karla00 @Forever Oh I’m a big fan and yep, Gabriel is fooinne!lol! I’ve been a big fan of Gina Torres for a while, she’s so beautiful! OMG, I never missed an episode of Xena or Hercules….tvsoulmates!lol!
This is what I call MUST SEE TV!!
Glad Fitz let Olivia go, just wished she dumped him first…oh well.
Olivia needs her own man on call 24/7, no sharing.
But please for the love of everything good and holy…. DO NOT put her with what’s his name. There is nothing sexy about them as a couple.
@Lexi88 I agree…as steamy as they were together…I just not down for the adultery going on with Fitz and Olivia…and I know it is just TV…but my morals would not support this…even if he had divorced and married Olivia…I also think that the way Fitz broke it off was a good way to tell these mistresses how easily they could be dropped and to NOT invest feelings into a married man.
Totally agree with you. I wonder if his behavior has anything to do with the gun shot to the head. He is acting completely out of character…. Or is he? Still glad they broke up, I want Olivia to be first place and first choice.
Mellie is no joke (she reminds me of Hillary Clinton), She will not roll over and hand her man to anyone. Quite frankly, she shouldn’t. I don’t care how vindictive and manipulative she is, I’m pretty sure Fitz knew that coming into the marriage. Part of the reasons Mellie married Fitz is her desire to remain and be in the circle of powerful and influential people. Where a man can bring you and the financial gain you get out of the marriage is just as important as love. Why shouldn’t she fight to stay in that circle? Many are saying their marriage is one of convenience, I disagree. You marry men/women who will fulfill ALL of your desires.
I like Fitz, but dislike his “brand new” attitude, like he didn’t know Mellie was a force to be reckoned with and power hungry pre-marriage…. From the stunts Fitz pulled this episode, he’s no walk in the park either.
@Lexi88 @ShunJack I wrote this on tumblr a couple weeks ago, but I suspect Fitz was bullied into marrying Mellie. Remember, on the campaign bus, in The Trail, he said, “What kind of coward was I, to marry her, and not wait for you to come along?” It implies he didn’t want to do it but did it anyway, knowing it was questionable. After seeing how his father continued to bully and berate him, AS A GROWN MAN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if his dad pressured him into marrying her. After all, Mellie and Big Jerry were pretty chummy in that flashback.
hmm tumblr…. I can’t have one. My daughter said I’m too old and the same rules applied at the club is true for tumblr ‘if you’re jamming at a club and your child shows up and tell you it’s her favorite spot…you need to sit your old butt down somewhere”.
But yeah, I agree with you on the possibility of Fitz being forced by Daddy. But that is his choice and mistake. It’s time he grows some cajones and make his own decisions. But that would mean losing power and influence, something I doubt he is ready lose. He is just as driven as Mellie…. They deserve each other.
Hmm…ok I think that Fitz is doing Liv a huge favour because we all know the relationship was doomed from the very start. He is a republican president and he is MARRIED! I’m glad she gave Edison back his ring because there was zero chemistry there. Edison is a brooding so he’s looking for a wife, Liv doesn’t look like the marrying type as is evident from her relationship with Fitz.
She is a beautiful woman and she is surrounded by powerful men so it’s only a matter of time for her to find someone else although not as powerful as the president. We all know that Liv is attracted to power, but she is also damaged because she doesn’t do conventional relationships which is fine, because some people are just different. She even said it herself, something about not wanting normal boring love etc
But this is TV and most likely they may even get back together, you never know, they are two people deeply in love with each other after all.
Uncle Cyrus would go to any lengths to save his ass as we can see when he arranged to have James killed but I’m so glad that he changed his mind because Uncle Cyrus is one of my favourite characters on the show. He also needs to appreciate James more.
Quinn wanting to use Huck to kill Hollis was downright petty and tacky. She needs to realise that it’s not always about her and she should really look at the bigger picture. Killing Hollis is not going to bring her boyfriend back, who by the way was cheating on her, I think, and it sure won’t bring back those 7 people.
Abby surprised me the most. I didn’t think she had it in her. It really broke my heart that she had to chose between a man who obviously love her, and Olivia, who by the way, did save her from an abusive relationship. Abby is not my favourite character but she deserves to be happy. She has been through a lot. But it was a great episode. I still don’t know why some people are so sad Fitz broke up with Liv. Even I saw that coming. TV series are very predictable and Shonda is no exception. I knew it was only a matter of time before things got sour between Fitz and Liv, the question was just “when?”
We need to know a little more about Harrison. Why is he so loyal to Olivia? We know she saved him but I would like to believe that there is a lot more to the story. No one is that blindly loyal to the point that they do what ever they are told without asking questions. Mind you I do admire his die hard/over the cliff loyalty to Liv but I need to know why his loyalty is so intense.
But I have to say that it was indeed a great episode. Can’t wait for next week 🙂
@femmegirl2379 The cheating thing on the part of Quinn’s boyfriend was a plant by Becky. It’s how she got her to act a fool on the phone to be framed for the murder.
I agree with you about Abby – wasn’t sure she would sacrifice the “good guy” in David for Olivia and was really surprised at how she pulled it off. Re: Harrison – would LOVE some back story on him for real!
@femmegirl2379 Yep. I was never on the Olitz ship, I’ve said from Day One that it’s too risky for Liv. I think she needs to find some nice middle ground. Something with more passion than Edison who was as interesting as watching paint dry, and less crazy than Waffle loving Fitz with his airline sized baggage.
Sorry dani….if you look at the season promos for the weeks to come, they are not over.
As for the relationship being risky for Liv, that is exactly why the relationship will not be over for her and Fitz. If Liv didn’t like risky, she wouldn’t be doing her job. Its not in her nature to be safe. She took another big risk with the election rigging. She risked herself by doing everything to help Huck, Harrison, Abby and Quinn. She also took a big risk by saying she would wait for Fitz before Fitz blew her off. There is no other relationship that Liv can have that would match what she has with Fitz.
@BeautyIAM @femmegirl2379 Of course it’s not over! It’s good TV 🙂 An amazingly sexy trainwreck to watch that you can’t turn away from.
@dani-BBW @BeautyIAM LOL! Omg I was looking for a word to describe Fitz and Liv relationship. It is a beautiful trainwreck lol and we can’t help but want more.
@femmegirl2379 @dani-BBW @BeautyIAM I wouldn’t put it past the Shondaland crew to make that tug into the dark closet a confrontation of epic proportions. Don’t know that I think that will be the “let’s get it on” moment that some think is coming, but it should be interesting.
I honestly hope they don’t get back together anytime soon. I’m trusting the writers to not make it that easy for them to fall back into old patterns. Aaaaaand I want to see Scott Foley in uniform through at least a few episodes! (They better not make him a psycho bad guy!)
@WorldTravelingChic @femmegirl2379 @dani-BBW @BeautyIAM WorldTravelingChic, I agree with you. Fitz and Liv won’t get back together that easily. I think theirs is a bond that is not easily broken no matter what but I do think she will make him work for it. Besides, she needs to go for someone new and make Fitz’ head blow off.
@WorldTravelingChic @femmegirl2379 @dani-BBW @BeautyIAM Same here re: hoping he’s not a bad guy. I’d like to see Scott Foley’s character become an available love interest for Olivia; not someone Huck needs to meet in an elevator or parking garage.
@MyBetterSelf @femmegirl2379 @dani-BBW @BeautyIAM For real about Huck! He’s been looking kinda bloodthirsty lately. :/ (Poor baby!)
That was some good TV!
The characters aren’t meant to be goodly people—that would be boring! That kind of power doesn’t usually come with some kind of dark side. And I was glad —shocked—but glad to see Fitz showing his. Didn’t see that coming. When Olivia finds a new beau (I think they showed a new possible love interest in the previews), Fitzy will not be a happy camper. Can’t wait for those fireworks!
Awesome episode! I was beginning to get bored; Shonda Rhimes is so talented!
People need not worry about Liv and Fitz. This break up is very temporary. Fitz is just hurt now. But I don’t see him being upset with her forever. There is no way him and Mellie are going to ever be legit partners. Mellie is only with Fitz for selfish reasons. Fitz need to realize this and understand why Olivia did what she did. But they are not over for good. Their love is not easy and it will be tested. But at the end of the day, they will be together. The love that Fitz and Olivia have is too strong for it to be over for good.
@BeautyIAM I actually don’t see them as having a strong love. I see it as two super damaged people who are co-dependent and without the help of a good therapist, will never love and communicate with each other in a healthy way. But, they are similar morally. They don’t enjoy doing bad stuff. Whereas Mellie and Cyrus just don’t care so long as their individual selfish reasons are attained. I just really, really want Olivia to run far, far away from him.
I would need to see more of Olivia and who she is to really see how damaged she is. Fitz for sure has problems. I think their lack of communication comes from the circumstances of their relationship. But from I see, its love.
@BeautyIAM I think it’s pretty obvious. She’s a drama junkie, drawn to high risk situations, and has been spending much of her recent life fixing people and their problems, to the point that she crosses legal and ethical lines which impacts her personally (often to her own emotional detriment). She lives for work and doesn’t seem to have any personal interests or hobbies. No friends outside of work. None of that spells healthy person, to me (even Harrison’s speech to reel Abby in sounded a bit cultish). I might guess that she’s an orphan or something, or was abandoned by one of her parents. Or maybe was raised in a super strict household that emphasized perfection. I’m not saying she’s a bad person, at all, just somewhat broken; maybe trust issues with getting close to people (what does Fitz really even know about her???). And that (along with crazy passion) seems to draw her toward Fitz, who is broken in a different way. I don’t question that they are compatible, I just question whether they can co-exist in a way that is mutually healthy and beneficial, without some sort of significant catalyst (such as something forces or allows them to talk openly and honestly about their feelings, fears, etc in a safe space). Until then, hurt people hurt other people and it’s a sad cycle. I don’t want to see Olivia go through all of that pain!
What happens when the First Lady delivers … and the infant is black?
@SirLoinDeBeef OMG! Maury! Maury!…
Does anyone else feel that Liv had this break up coming?
There she is. Miss Superwoman sitting all alone with no one to comfort her.
Yeah she will go back to her work family but that is all she has.
@Brenda55 I’ve always wanted to ask the question of where Edison came from and how the hell he and Liv came together. He was like an alien from outer space coming to earth: very unexpected. I sensed no chemistry between them at all although Edison deeply cared about her. She was just not there because she is not in love with him. Let’s see what her future holds.
@Bren82 @Brenda55 I’ve seen more chemistry between her and Captain Jake (mmmm!) in the 5 minutes of a phone call than all the moments Olivia spent with Edison. Thankfully he’s gone for good and she doesn’t have to question why she didn’t change her locks.
I had to be up at the a** craack of dawn this morning, but I stayed up to watch Scandal! I could not look away! It has been a while, a long while, since a show has done that to me. Had me looking forward to next week!
Dani-BBW I whole heardetly disagree with you girl! To just say that they’re damaged is a gross over simplification, and a bit obvious. Everyone in that group is damaged to varrying degrees.
Fitz, right now, is showing extreme bitchassness by running back to Mellie. He also knows that is somehing that will hurt Olivia more than anything. Mellie is so desperate to look good, and powerful she will take any scraps that were given to her.
That peiece of Olivia that made her normal, and human to him was destroyed because of Verna’s old cray cray ass. Also, he murdered a woman. At one point he was able to just be the golden boy and not get his hands dirty. The actions of the people who loved, and believed in him, or so he thought, has led him down a dirty road. Also, he believed he was detined to be president.
You can’t claim to love someone, believe in them, and then do something that goes completely against that.
@DarlingNikki69 Does Fitz have no idea that Mellie was also involved in the decision?
@Bren82 @DarlingNikki69 I believe he knows about her involvement. Mellie doesn’t care about anyone aside from #1. That’s who she is-trying to get ahead by any means necessary. It isn’t that he is ok with her involvement, it’s that it’s easier for him to accept. If he were to tell Mellie about the murder, she’d hold it over him but, she does want him to remain president so she won’t say a word!
Olivia on the other hand, tries to do what is best for everyone even if it goes against her own feelings. She believed in Fitz and was the last person to agree to the rigging. At that point, it was going to happen whether she wanted to or not but her agreement was as much a way to protect her future as well as those around her. The decision ate away at her and while there are many things she can do she doesn’t do murder. Fitz knows that deep down, she did it out of love and while he is disappointed in her actions, he knows that his actions are beyond anything she’d ever do.
I think that will come out as the season unfolds she and Fitz will end up together. It isn’t that they are over-they’re just on hold.
@Bren82 @DarlingNikki69 Yes. Verna told him. He knows about all of them.
@DarlingNikki69 hahaha! It’s okay, that’s what makes it fun to discuss! I’m not really an emotionally driven person, I’m more pragmatic. So, it’s gonna take a lot more for me to get to a place where I can ship them as having this wonderful, great love. Right now, what I see is chemistry/compatibility and a similar moral outlook, like I’ve described below. HOWEVER, right now, they are not healthy whole people to me capable of loving someone else in a way that is not harmful to the other person, because of the places in which they are damaged. Fitz has daddy issues and a resulting love deficit, which causes him to be insecure and when he feels insecure and unloved he turns to the first available woman. Unhealthy! And emotionally dangerous for a potential partner! There has to be some kind of catalyst for him to resolve this issue, otherwise it’s going to come up again and again. I mean, we just saw him murder someone who brought up his father at an inopportune time! Yooooo…..
Olivia seems to have an obsession with fixing other people/their problems, to the point of her own emotional detriment. As well as the collateral damage of others (Fitz was just the most recent casualty, but there’s been Lindsay/Quinn, Abby, David, etc). While she had good motives (trying to protect Fitz from finding out about the election, saving Abby’s life from Hollis, etc), WHY is she so driven to play God? Something about it all doesn’t seem to stem from a healthy place. I am sure it will all come out as we learn her backstory.
So when her you take her flaws and his flaws, there are directly opposed which results in significant emotional damage. He interprets her “fixing things” through his lens of insecurity as a vote of no-confidence. Without some sort of outside, sane catalyst that helps them individually or jointly work through their issues, I do not believe they can love each other in a healthy way. I would love to see the writers introduce a friend for Olivia, a White House pastor for Fitz or make them remotely stranded, ALONE, in a fire or something for 5 days where they actually talk and are vulnerable with each other. Until then, I can’t ship them AS IS.
@dani-BBW @DarlingNikki69 it would be great to hear her story for sure!
@DarlingNikki69 You should write little excerpts involving who’s cray cray in each episode. I’d read the hell out of those posts!
Am I the only one who likes Mellie?
She’s a bitch after my own heart. 😉
No you’re not…. I like her too.
@Jamila judging you http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no.gif
LOL, well, I don’t like Mellie, but I like seeing what she’s going to do next or say next. Like when Cyrus tells her Verna died and she’s like oh well…RIP…so away, like I was saying……
hahahaha….At this point, I have contempt for her.
@Jamila I love her lines! “I will bury him and then dance on his grave.” Ahahahaha
@Jamila Not just you. Like Fitz said, Mellie’s the realest of all of them. Still rooting for Fitz & Liv, but I like Mellie. Maybe when his political career is over for trying to marry his mistress, Mellie will become President, Hillary style. I’d watch that show.
@ieishah @Jamila This may be sacrilege but I may not be shipping OLITZ much longer.
I may have been blinded by the BW/WM IRR aspect of the show. Liv is getting on my last nerve. If she were a WW acting the way she has been I’d have ripped into her long ago and if Fitz were a BM I would have done the same.
Liv knew that man’s situation from the door. I have come to the conclusion that she really never loved Fitz. She is married to her job and is an adrenaline junky. The girl gets off on pain porn.
Hey Brenda55 or Toni, My account was deleted and I dont know why.
Can someone start at Vampire Diaires thread please? thanks
@blackpanthershay i would rather they didn’t. The only black woman on that show is treated like a mule.
@Afrostyling I am waiting for my Bamon
I have to admit…I haven’t seen much of this show. What I’ve seen has impressed me, but I don’t watch that much TV in the first place…no time, and it takes me away from my family. Even though I think Kerry Washington is the kind of girl I would want to date if I was single.
But as a writer, obviously the romance between Fitz and Olivia has to be dragged out. If it’s resolved definitively, the drama, tension, and plotline goes away. I think the phrase is called “jumping the shark,” from an episode of “Happy Days” in which Fonzie did just that, and the series was terrible thereafter. It’s the moment in a TV show when the quality collapses for all time.
My guess is that Fitz and Olivia will tie the knot in the final season of the series, probably in the final episode or scene.
Unless they decide to end the show like “The Sopranos,” with ambiguity and 10 seconds of dead air.
It’ll be interesting to see how this comes out. I’ll probably get the straight dope here.
By the way, one of the original plans for “Law and Order,” my favorite TV show, was to ramp up the sexual tension between prosecutor Ben Stone and defense attorney Shambala Green, played by Michael Moriarty and Lorraine Toussaint, both highly talented actors. However, Moriarty (a descendant of Detroit Tiger star center fielder and umpire George Moriarty) quit the show in a huff, angry with the producers, and that plotline was abandoned. Never saw Lorraine Toussaint on the show after that, either.
@Kiwiwriter Glad to see you back David. I would have loved to have seen that plot line on L&O. Michael Moriarty is one of my favorite actors. I was heart broken when he left the show. Wonder if he rolls that way in real life? Would not be surprised if he did.
@Brenda55 Haven’t a clue…the only things I know about Ms. Toussaint is that her family is from the West Indies, she is an expert on landscaping, and did a show with Annie Potts about two girls who grow up together, about them as kids and adults. I don’t recall the name of the show. Moriarty is a tremendous actor, and I remember him best as the evil Nazi SS Major in “Holocaust,” sending Jews to their deaths and finding legalistic explanations for it. That made him more impressive to me as ADA Ben Stone, becoming a paladin for the law and honor…he was colder than his successor Jack McCoy, and I find it hard to choose between them as favorite characters. He’s living up in Canada now, semi-retired.
@Brenda55 I just checked, Ms. Toussaint’s show was “Any Day Now.” And guess what? She’s in “Scandal!” She plays a pastor’s wife who discovers her late husband cheated on her. There’s a lousy deal both ways around. A Daily Beast article argues that she should get an Oscar or Emmy for her latest work. Good luck to her.
You can’t even tell it’s Shonda Rhimes work. I love that it doesn’t have that Greys Anatomy reselling. Great episode. You could see the moment Fitz changed.
Fitz cannot turn his back on Olivia, I’m still in shock… I didn’t see this coming.. the Prez bumped off the judge and turned on Olivia, I’m wounded… say it isn’t so
Super fan LOL
This child is crazy:
Enjoyed watching the above clips.
Here is more about fellow swirler Tangela Ekhoff.
@Brenda55 She is funny.
@Brenda55 Lol! Thanks for this, Brenda! She is hilarious!
@Brenda55 I CANNOT BREATHE RN. LOOOOOOOOOL!
@Brenda55 It has been so exciting to see a fandom grow from the ground up! So much creativity and talent.
@Brenda55 lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
@Brenda55 Oh. My. Word! She is ridiculously hilarious!
@Brenda55 OK…i LOVE her…she is a foo!!!
Could fitz mouth be any tighter while he was kissing his stale bread of a wife?! I puked when I watched that.
@SarahRegiste Did’nt even look like he Frendhed her like he does Liv.
With Liv it lookes like he is trying to swollow her whole.
@SarahRegiste This made me laugh much longer than was necessary
Fitz needs to find a therapist or Jesus ASAP. Come to the light!
@dani-BBW He’s becoming a drunk. He needs to be honest with himself and forgive the people in his life before its too late.
@dani-BBW maybe muppet Jesus
OMG Huck. D: He needs to either talk to a psychiatrist
@kendrat199 Kendra no therapist can help huck………………………