Perfect….Or Not: One Woman’s Take on Online Dating

Perfect….Or Not: One Woman’s Take on Online Dating

Fellas, can I speak to you a second?

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By Brenda Brody

Fellas, can I speak to you a second?

This online dating thing….we’re trying it out and hoping to meet someone we really like. You are too, right? It has its ups and downs and can be tricky. Yeah, some folks lie about how they look, and I know some of those profiles just aren’t real. Some of them are Nigerian or Russian men trolling for gullible Americans they can separate from their hard earned money. I’ve seen my share of them too. I know you have to be careful. But for once, think about us girls. How does it work for us?

Folks looking to date online are not necessarily desperate. Most of us are really busy and work hard and going out to meet people is not always an option. Meeting men in bars is not the best way for a lot of us. I don’t think I need to go into that. You know why.

We spend a lot of time online so it’s easier to meet folks there. We try to look for that special picture of us that we hope will catch your eye and we also try to be honest about us and how we look. It doesn’t make much sense to lie if you hope to meet the guy anyway, does it? Yeah, there are some women who just want to play games and I am sorry if you have run into a few of those. We’re not all like that. Some of us are real honest loving caring women who are just trying to make it in life and want to find a man to be there with us.

But ok, you see our picture and you decide you want to get to know us and you send an email and hope that we will respond. If we see something in your picture that we like, we usually will. If you aren’t what we are looking for, we won’t. No harm no foul.

Now, let’s discuss this picture deal. You see our picture on our profile, but you don’t bother to put YOUR picture on your profile. What’s up with that? Why not? Why not give us the same advantage you had? I’ve had guys tell me they didn’t know how to post a picture. Huh? This isn’t really that hard, fellas. Really. That alone says something about you that won’t get you a response. Ask your niece or nephew or the nearest 6th grader to help you post a picture if it’s that hard for you.

Other men have told me they don’t want to be judged by looks. But it’s ok for you to judge us by how we look, right? It doesn’t work that way, dude. What’s good for you is good for us too. I don’t respond if you don’t have a picture on your profile. I bet a lot of other women feel the same way.

And why post a picture of your dog? Or a picture of you on the back of a truck or one where we cannot see your eyes? I’m glad you’re off somewhere having fun, but if you are going to post a picture, please use one where we can see your face clearly without squinting or trying to enlarge the picture and getting a fuzzy mess. Get someone to take a picture of you.

And it doesn’t help if I see your phone in front of you. I don’t want to see the back of your IPhone. I want to see your eyes, your smile, your face! You want to impress me, right? So why do I see a picture of you with a ripped up shirt, no shave, your hair standing on end and your belly hanging out of that hole in your shirt? Is that the best you can do? Really?

Another puzzle. I like to date interracially. I always say in my message about myself that I prefer to date white guys. But it never fails that each day, I will get emails and messages from black men who apparently did not read my profile and don’t know or don’t care what I want or what I like. I’ve had to argue with them in the past about my preference. I don’t now. I just don’t even answer. But what really gets me is if my profile is on a site specifically for interracial dating, why would a black man want to send me a message when it’s quite clear I am not looking for them? Why??

I think I know why. Men go through the sites just looking at the pictures. They don’t read the profiles. What the woman wants is HIM and he knows it even if he hasn’t read that she has 3 kids, 4 dogs and two jobs. Think of the time we would save if men read the profiles and realized right away that the woman they are looking at is just not the one for them?

I sometimes search for guys myself, going through profiles looking for the right one. I can’t say what he looks like, but I am looking for that gleam in his eyes, that smile, something to tell me he’s engaging, he’s funny, he’s sexy and he’s fun. I’ll send a note or a flirt if I see it. I expect fellas do the same thing. But if he says he likes blondes or tall women or women with children or women younger than I am, I don’t flirt with him. I know I’m not what he’s looking for and though I may like his eyes, I pass him by. And guess what, fellas? It doesn’t hurt.

Guys, let’s say you see a pretty girl and you want to get to know her. You send her a message and she responds. You chat for a few days and somewhere along the line, you ask her what her favorite sexual position is. WHAT?  Hit the brakes.

Trust me, when we see that, especially from someone we have only gotten two or three emails from, we are stunned. You jumped the shark! It wasn’t time for that kind of discussion! We don’t know you yet. What would make you think that’s what we wanted right away? Yeah, some girls are looking for fun and fun only. But most of us aren’t. We’re looking for someone we can trust and love and have fun with. Sex is a part of it, but not right away! Slow down!

Look, if all you want is to get your freak on, there are websites just for that. Please go there and look for your fellow freak. But on a dating site, it’s just inappropriate. A woman will give you signals and let you know what she wants and what she likes. If she doesn’t protest when you send her that message, she might be ok with it. But if you don’t hear from her again, well, you asked for it. And if that’s all you want, say so from the beginning and give us the option of passing you by and looking for the man who just might be a boyfriend instead of a one night stand.

Instant messages…..they can be fun. It’s a great way to get to know someone, isn’t it? You can chat online and have fun. But they can also be a drag. Here’s what I mean:

I’m online and I get an alert that lets me know that JohnBoy2010 wants to chat with me. I am not really doing anything and so I go to chat with him.

 

JB2010: Hi

 

Me: Hello! How are you?

 

JB2010: Good n u?

 

Me:  Fine.

 

Two minutes go by before he responds.

 

JB2010: U busy?

 

Me: Not really. Are you?

 

JB2010: No.

 

Me: Cool. What’s up?

 

Two more minutes pass before a response.

 

JB2010: Nuttin. Just wanted to chat.

 

I start to think, well why don’t you then? Chat that is. Say something.

 

Me: All right. How has your day been?

 

 

JB2010:  Ok.

 

I’m already getting bored and you see my drift. If you want to chat, chat! Don’t waste my time with one word answers. Say something!!! And by the way, I am really impressed if you use whole words and spell them correctly.

And then there is the one I call the Stalker. He’s been sitting there online just waiting for you to sign on and as soon as you do, he’s right there, and if you don’t respond right away, he’s hitting the –DING!- to get your attention. Maybe you just went online to answer an email or to look something up but this guy wants all your attention as soon as you are online and gets offended if you don’t want to sit and chat with him and him alone. A problem with chatting is it keeps me from doing other things that I usually do. I don’t always just want to sit and chat with a guy unless I’m intrigued with him and I will let him know if that is the case.

I have been chatting with men online for years and the whole thing has lost its luster for me. I only want to chat with men that I have an interest in and if you don’t fit that criteria, I don’t want to. I do lots of things online – I read the news, I go to the political sites I like, I catch up on my teams and sports, I look at shopping sites, I go to travel sites, I play games and I post comments on Facebook. I moderate two groups and I belong to a few others, so I spend time there. And I am a writer and sometimes I have my instant messenger on while I am writing and I don’t see that you are trying to get my attention. I’m just not sitting there waiting for you to say hello. I’ve had a lot of men get really angry when I tell them I’ve been busy.

It’s two a.m. and I can’t sleep. I get up and pick up the computer and decide to go online to read something to pass the time. And then I get an IM from a man that starts out “Hello sexy.” I already know where that is going. This guy is sitting at the computer looking at porn and he is horny and wants to “play.” He figures that is why I am online too and he wants to get off so he starts a discussion with me. He’s slow to respond because he’s typing with one hand.

I have learned over the years to ignore such messages. Unless I feel like participating in virtual sex, this is going to be a waste of my time. And I usually don’t feel like playing those kinds of games unless it’s with a man I’m already involved with and we are separated for some reason and we both want to titillate each other. Why don’t you ask what I’m doing online or why I’m on at 2 a.m. before you decide to “play?” Or ask me if I want to play with you? Don’t just decide I want what you want. Most likely I don’t.

Another issue is this thing about perfection. Perhaps you have heard that it doesn’t really exist? It really doesn’t. Not one woman on this earth is perfect and there are no perfect men either. I’ll just bet Anne Hathaway ain’t so special without her makeup and hair done so don’t expect us to stand up to such scrutiny either. And you? A few extra pounds? A little less hair? Your teeth not up to par? Yeah, you.

You have imperfections so why is it wrong for a woman to have them? Who do you think you are? Get real. Even if you did meet the woman with the perfect breasts and flat stomach and kissable lips, what makes you think she will want you – just as you are?

We’re hard enough on ourselves anyway. We hate our fat thighs, our spongy tummies, our flat butts and our thin hair. We know we have imperfections and we try to work with them. Yeah, ok, I don’t get up every day and go to the gym. I don’t run every day. I have a tremendously average body but for some men, that is just not good enough. And some of these men have stomachs that enter the room a couple of minutes before the rest of them do and their hair on the back of their head is waving the front of their head goodbye as it slips away.

We’ll forgive you for that in many cases if you are charming and funny and sweet. We will forgive you even if you aren’t. (How else do you explain some other men…who seem to get women all the time… except that they have money and that’s a whole other subject!)

Be honest with us. I have had men post pictures that didn’t look anything like what showed up at my door. Post a current picture please. Or post YOUR picture. I’ve had men tell me that they don’t smoke and then when we meet, they are running outside every 45 minutes because they need to smoke.

Most of us don’t mind a few extra pounds. Many of us have a few extra too. There is a lot of difference in a few extra pounds and being fat. I personally don’t mind a few extra pounds, but I am really not turned on by a grossly overweight man. And if you haven’t been honest with me the one time we see each other will surely be the only time. And that goes two ways, ladies. Either tell him or take a full body picture of yourself so he can see what you look like for real.

I’m not looking for the perfect man. I’m looking for the man who is perfect for me. There’s a difference. I don’t care if you have a few extra pounds, if you don’t have as much hair as you once had. I don’t mind if you aren’t tall. Neither am I. I do like a man who is kind of smart, who is witty and funny and is charming and nice. Kindness goes a long way. I like a man who can communicate and is not afraid to say how he feels. And I also like one who listens and I mean listens. And oh, yeah, if he can cook, so much the better. I cook too, but I think a man in the kitchen is sexy.

Guys, this isn’t easy for either of us sometimes. But if we are both looking for the same thing – a person to share our lives and our love with – it shouldn’t be so hard. Give us a break and we will surely give you one too.

Deal?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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MySmile 4172 pts

You hit the nail on the head. Men kill me with how delusional they are online...A lot of these guys are socially awkward (not in a cute way) creeps that nobody wants in the first place...or they are mean with horrible personalities.....but somehow think they are a catch....the no photos, expectations of sex (I've had wm just try to get sex out of me..and one even straight up asked me if I liked to give head? That was the first thing he messaged me!! WTF?)., not being able to hold a conversation, baby mama drama, baggage...all of it's just wrong, wrong, wrong!!! lol I'm using the free sites...I'm not bitter though..there are some nice guys...just nobody I'm sure about yet.. I've had several really nice dates with two guys (wm) who like me a lot...so that's kind of exciting! but I'm not sure if we would work in a long term relationship yet... Either way, dating can be fun...it's just that it gets hard even finding someone worthy of going on a date with!!

 

Also, it really annoys me when guys just skim through my pictures and don't read my profile . I call them out on it because they usually ask me something that's already in my profile then make up some lame excuse like "I just got so distracted by your beauty."..lol nice try, but no! Once again, this post was perfect. Online dating can be annoying, but a fun adventure at the same time. I think I'm approachable in real life but guys don't really come up to me unless it's a setting where we have to be around each other all the time (work,etc)..and even then, it's mostly bm. White guys look at me but it's usually when passing by so I can't tell if it's just that our eyes accidentally met or that they are actually looking for another reason. I like men to approach me first!! I've also had three wm online tell me they'd be scared to come up to me in person or that they are intimidated by hot girls lol... I'm friendly!! Plus, I don't really think of myself as a "hot girl" (it's taking some getting used to lol) .I'm kinda cute but I'm not that intimidating, stuck up super model, type of attractive.. I smile, I wear flowers in my hair, etc...I just want to enjoy dating for now, but I wish more people I actually want to date  would message me!! I'm not super picky but I do like someone who is educated, employed, not obese (doesn't have to have a six pack), and has a sense of humor but is not a sarcastic a**hole, not too clueless/ extremely socially awkward, and 5'9'/ 5'10" or above..even though a lot of guys lie about their height!! Is that too much to ask? smh

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 MySmile  Smh too. I cosign everything you just wrote.

MySmile 4172 pts

 Leona_LoveQuest I'm glad you feel me!!! lol I'm like dang, is it that hard?!!! I would say it's an age thing but it's not....I'm almost 23 but most of the guys who contact me are a bit older than me (late 20s)..and guys even older than that..and they are still immature or clueless about women!! I've also heard from other ladies that men of all ages on the internet can be something else!!

MySmile 4172 pts

 Leona_LoveQuest Also, I love your articles!! I can relate. A lot of us are going through the same thing with this internet thing!!

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 MySmile Thanks! And I'm glad to hear the dating difficulty is not an age thing. I run into men with no conversation skills all the time. I don't know if their just not trying or really just that clueless or just a lot better in person. If I can't get that far with a guy online though I can't get excited about meeting him in person. Seems like it's just a matter of intelligence.

MySmile 4172 pts

 Leona_LoveQuest Exactly! I've met some cool guys but the majority of them are just....ugh!!! lol... Some can barely even put together a sentence...There are a few out there who are interesting...but the internet brings out the worst of the worst

iHeartLove 804 pts

"Men go through the sites just looking at the pictures. They don’t read the profiles. What the woman wants is HIM and he knows it even if he hasn’t read that she has 3 kids, 4 dogs and two jobs. "

 

Hahaha. So true.

IAOSingleMoms 875 pts

"If you want to chat, chat! Don’t waste my time with one word answers. Say something!!! And by the way, I am really impressed if you use whole words and spell them correctly." --The reason 2 minutes are going by before he responds is because you are not the only one he is chatting with at the time....Also, that is one of my pet peves...not spelling whole words...at this stage, you are trying to present the "best you" or should be...but the half azz spelling makes you look ignorant and dumb...I always imagine this person as very stupid and not worth my time.

Statuesque 1738 pts

As strange as it may sound, I don't really approach dating online differently than dating offline when it comes to giving a man the proverbial rope to hang himself.  There are bat**** crazy people walking around in bars, libraries, grocery stores and offices.  Many of these loonies love to let the freak flags fly especially high right off online perhaps, but I think you'd develop the same concerns if you were sitting across from them at dinner after a couple of drinks.  It's true that people can lie upfront more readily online, but it is so limited in scope.  All the big lies have to be constructed and maintained in the real world.  Liars may bait the hook online but the game is all the same from there.

 

No matter who I meet, and where I meet them, my antenna is up.  I look for verbal and nonverbal cues (you can get nonverbal cues online too).  More than anything, I go with my gut...always.  Sometimes I get this ick-tastic feeling bouncing off the screen with an email or instant message.  It's probably the same yucky feeling I'd get from the guy in person.  Other times, the guy feels harmless and nice.  Many, many (MANY) times, he is a skeevy perv who starts out with normal conversation but very quickly cannot help himself.  I'm pretty sure this dude would not be able to keep his hands to himself on a date either. Chemistry is a bit different, admittedly.  Even with a camera you can't use smell and touch to evaluate a person, so I'm not sure chemistry is fully realized until you meet in person.

 

I have met lots of guys online in various formats.  Most of them range from undateable to not bad, just not for me.  I've met some that I was really attracted to and it went nowhere.  I even met one who turned out to be a long term friend.  I don't question any of it because, just like in real life, you meet lots of people but only a few matter in the end.  When I met my current boyfriend - read his email, saw his picture, talked to him on the phone and then met him for drinks - I knew there was something special  there from the moment I saw his name in my inbox.  Every step builds on and confirms the special-ness that I felt was there from the beginning, but am fleshing out as time goes on.  

 

The previous man I dated for a few years I met in person, and while the advantage was that I met him in person right off (on vacation, no less), I had a similar feeling immediately that he was significant, and that he meant me no harm.  I'm pretty sure I would have felt the same way if I had met him online, though it is possible that I might have passed on him because he is not photogenic.

 

I say give it a shot.  You never know...

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Statuesque There's something different when I met ppl in real life, we all realize there's great guys and not so great ones online and in Rreal life but I can tell a lot more when I see you. I can read body language when I see you and that is significant. I used to work as a paralegal and as easy as it was to talk to clients on the phone, it was always better when I met them in person. It's easier for me to tell if you're lying or hiding something in person too. Personally if I felt like I wanted to met a guy in online dating, I did it within a week, if he wanted to put stuff off I figured he had a harem going and I didn't want to be a part of that. We met somewhere like for coffee or lunch, I dud not want to get stuck w/ someone I didn't like all night long. And if I did we could continue the date or make other plans. But I didnt waste a lot of time on the phone or emailing. Too easy for women to get attached that way, while he's just stringing you along. It worked great, I found myself a great boyfriend, that's now a great husband.

Statuesque 1738 pts

 eugeniaberg   Statuesque @Eugeniaberg There is no substitute for in-person communication.  My only point above was that, whether the vetting starts online or offline, trusting one's instincts and using good judgment are equally applicable.  

 

I have probably been guilty of stringing people along online by not being very responsive, but until you meet in person it is very easy to put someone out of your mind if you are busy and they aren't a physical presence in your mind yet.  It wasn't because I was playing them.

 

I think we had similar approaches to this process, which is to scrutinize, observe and test men during the vet.  It's so great to see an example of an online success story!!  I met a guy at work the other day who'd met his wife on eHarmony.  He said she was so busy and fed up with bars that she cut to the online chase, and they met within a month of her joining the site.

 

I met my boyfriend on Craigslist.  I placed an ad to go and see an event when I had an extra ticket unexpectedly and no one to go with.  I'm a "you never know" kind of person when it comes to this stuff.  I still ended going solo because I didn't meet anyone i cared to go with, but as it turns out, it was one of the best chances I ever took.  He actually responded a couple of days too late but he liked my post so much that he took a chance too.  Incidentally, it was the first time he'd ever answered a personals ad.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Statuesque I met my husband on Cragslist, as I just said below it was my ability to vet well that made me not fear a site like Craigslist. Yes, you're correct if you know to vet, when you meet anyone online or in RL that skill can help you avoid wasting your time on bums. Women need to do the work they need to find the man of their dreams.

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 Statuesque  eugeniaberg   Two Craigslist success stories!!  Wow.

Statuesque 1738 pts

 eugeniaberg   Statuesque @Eugeniaberg  Exactly!!!  YOU are the common denominator.  No one likes meeting bums but they are every-damned-where, and I'm not going to take it personally if they want to take a shot.  

 

I liked what you said below about free sites too.  A player is a player. Some of the worse players out there know how to "invest" their money in things that make it seem like they have the right intentions....whether that's expensive dinners and trips or a membership to a dating site.  I'm sure there are masters of the game out there that could take the most careful among us out with effort, but honestly most guys are not that committed, even to the game.  They are looking to spend the least amount for the most gain.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 eugeniaberg   Statuesque I met an x on CL, too. A couple of them as a matter of fact. All nice VETTED  men. No more details to follow, lol.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Black Women With Other Brothers @Statuesque LOL!

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Black Women With Other Brothers I'm doing a vetting vlog next week, specificalky dealing with online dating. I'll send you a link. I got a lot to talk about.

ms. d 192 pts

This is so timely. I was just messaged by this Indian dude who seemed cute and sane but is starting to sound clingy and weird.Like, saying he loves my voice, and he wished he could hear it all day,etc,etc. How my smile touches his heart, etc,etc. Like dude, you don't have to lay it on so thick? It's cheesy but it reminds me of how my ex who is german would talk sometimes so maybe it's a foreign thing? But i almost don't want to meet up with him. It's like a i meet guys who are players and about playing games or i meet guys who are overzelous. sheesh. 

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 nieshasdavis Listen to your gut. You don't wann meet him don't go.

TheFrocker 38 pts

"Guys, let’s say you see a pretty girl and you want to get to know her. You send her a message and she responds. You chat for a few days and somewhere along the line, you ask her what her favorite sexual position is. WHAT?  Hit the brakes."

 

Oh my Goddddddddddd, this happens to me ALL THE TIME! It's so irritating. It just happened to me last week with someone I actually liked quite a bit. I made it clear on multiple occasions that I was *not* looking to jump right into anything sexual, and still... I get this kind of conversation. I didn't entertain it/him, and haven't heard from the guy since. *shrug*

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

OMG. This has been primarily my experience as well. Men just aren't as conscientious about online dating as women. They don't want to put in any effort, and they rarely have any game or conversation, but they seem to expect a lot in return. eugeniaberg   I agree with you about adjusting your vetting, but it's getting more and more difficult for me to find men worthy enough to even vet. There are just a lot of obvious players out there, men looking for perfection, or mistakenly thinking they are sitting at a buffet and that anything on the menu is available to them. Um no, if you can't score that younger, intelligent super-hottie in real life, it's unlikely she's checking for you online either. Some of these men just need to get a grip on reality.

 

This is a great article, but I'm afraid she may be preaching to the choir.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Leona_LoveQuest Lots of ppl need to get a grip on reality including women sometimes. When I was dating, I checked out women's posts too. Hey I wanted to see the competition, so to speak, and some of them were just as delusional as men. I say if it's not working for you, try something else why waste time just being frustrated.

IAOSingleMoms 875 pts

 eugeniaberg   Leona_LoveQuest

 I think the bad out weighs the good when it comes to online dating. I prefer to make time to put myself out there and socialize. I still have a couple of online profiles just in case though...Also, I am not about to argue back and forth with some idiot...I just block them and keep moving...total waste of time.

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 ShunJack  eugeniaberg   Leona_LoveQuest

 I tend to agree. I only started the online dating thing a few months ago. I'm out and about quite often and I'm a pretty decent flirt, but all of my past relationships have tanked. It was time to jump start my love life and online dating seemed to be the quiickest way. Hasn't yielded the results I'd hoped for so far, but I haven't given up hope completely. It obviously works for some people,

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ShunJack @Leona_LoveQuest Well, the decision is up to you. I personally think online dating is a great resource in one of the many dating resources out there. I'm not telling ppl to stop but if you're complaining about it more than you're dating you may want to rethink your strategy, that's all. Personally I would recommend online dating, real life, meet ups, maybe throw in a match maker, whatever works if you're looking to date you gotta put yourself out there, doesn't always mean it will be great but I had fun dating. If I'd known about match making I'd have tried that too. Gotta take the bad w/ the good. But I meet my husband online dating, on Craigslist of all places, so if anyone knows the good outweighs the bad w/ online I certainly do.

IAOSingleMoms 875 pts

 eugeniaberg   ShunJack  Leona_LoveQuest

 Well, I'm definitely willing to learn...because I serioulsy don't know what much else you can do as far as "strategy" is concerned when it comes to online dating. Because, practically every guy I've connected with ended up being married and trying to play games. Out of all of the many dates I had, I can tell you there were only 3 that I knew (I think) were not married. I'm not trying to discourage...but my experience is that I would rather go at it the natural way and just socialize and meet people. I don't have much patience or time to be dealing with game players.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ShunJack @Leona_LoveQuest I get that I don't either, it's hard sometimes w/ online and real life dating. One thing I do is ask a lot of questions b/c I don't know if ppl realize this but ppl like to talk and if you set them up, they'll knock them down. The one thing I learned from years of being a paralegal is ppl like to talk and will tell on themselves when they do. I do subversive questioning, I ask innocous questions then ppl answer and reveal stuff. I wish I could teach it, but I don't think I could. I just learned b/c I had to b/c of my job. But I ask questions and I listen closely to answers, what they say & don't say. You can make inferences just from that and be right the majority of the time. But unfortunately, as women, we talk too much and never listen and just make stuff the way we want it to be, instead of seeing it for what it is.

IAOSingleMoms 875 pts

 eugeniaberg   ShunJack  Leona_LoveQuest Ok...you got me on that one...In the past, I've talked way too much...but that is something I learning to be better at.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ShunJack @Leona_LoveQuest I've had men at a first meeting tell me stuff I know they weren't planning on telling. I never act shocked or disturbed b/c I want him to spill it. Although I had already made up my mind to not see him again. Oh if he feels comfortable with you, he'll spill it all.

simplytoyin 70 pts

hahahah  ***And some of these men have stomachs that enter the room a couple of minutes before the rest of them do and their hair on the back of their head is waving the front of their head goodbye as it slips away *** This had me floored. Great article!

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

I like this so much.. I'm gonna bookmark it.

 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

This post is so funny!! LOL It kind of makes me feel weird about internet dating though too! I'm more of traveling and meeting someone there. But then online dating and talking can help you have a person to go places with and guide you (help with the language) and all. 

 

This is all good to know, when I do start internet dating. I think it would be fun too, but you have to be careful. 

 

I think pictures should be tasteful and not the 'bathroom mirror guy whore' pictures. LOL I HATE those!!

Statuesque 1738 pts

I loved this post.  So much of it is spot on!  I tend to feel the same way regarding pictures.  I also have a high profile job, yet I have my picture posted online so that people see what they get.  There are exceptions but it is always a red flag for me.

 

I met my current boyfriend online, and he sent me several pictures right away.  He was so gorgeous I about fainted.  So of course I immediately thought there was something wrong with him (crazy, too freaky, socially inept) and started the vetting.  Nope.  Like me, he is attractive and normal, but has a job that makes it impossible to meet people "offline" in a traditional setting.  We would likely never have met offline, and it's remarkable to have found the type of guy I've been looking for in such an unlikely place.

Criticalthinker 385 pts

Wonderful post. Thank God I haven't done online dating in over a decade (strength to the women who still do), but surprised that these same-o same-o games and trysts still exist!!! Wow!!! Nothing has really changed in over a decade!!! This is shocking to me.

 

To the author-have you thought of trying meetups geared for interracial dating singles for specific age ranges or even professional single meetups? Free (mostly) and you are safe in public places. If you don't find someone of interest, at least you got out and enjoyed the event. Maybe even try yoga classes (lots of higher consciousness professionals there it seems) or join a cooking class sponsored by an organic health food store or organic co-op. I've observed in these venues that usually people who are found in these places tend to  think on a level that may be suitable  or compatible for  your intelligence level as most people who are conscious about their bodies and environments a lot of times are (I know not always, but the pickings and quality of people is mostly decent). They are not usually (in my experience) unrealistically superficial and you might just be surprised. In the least, you may make some pretty good friends. Just some options...

 

 Sophia ...I think it is awesome that you realize the nuances and limitations of the two-dimensional world of pictures. Your online interest came through with his genuine demeanor and sincerity and related well through intelligent writing, which made up for the lack of photos. Some of us just aren't photogenic. In fact, some people who look awful in pics look attractive to really handsome or pretty in person. I learned that as well way back when...

 

 eugeniaberg You are so clever in how to successfully participate in a more clever and strategic way to vet the weirdos in online dating. I wouldn't have a clue anymore.  I think it is awesome advice you gave for those not obtaining results by changing their methods. I gave a list of mine above to the author.

 

My "one" finally happened organically, and in person. I am blessed, I realize. I know this is not happening many times for busy, professional and sincere women.

 

But the author makes SO many valid points of the ones looking only to have a good time, not actively reading the profiles, wanting more from the woman in looks and perfection but looks AND acts like a jerk or a complete slob-wasting a serious lady's precious time. So true, so true!

 

I love this site and the intelligence and knowledge everyone brings to the table!

DeepWater 2446 pts

"And some of these men have stomachs that enter the room a couple of minutes before the rest of them do and their hair on the back of their head is waving the front of their head goodbye as it slips away."

Bwaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Sophia 485 pts

One thing is that men, online and in real-life, are pretty transparent.  Sometimes surprisingly so.  If they're up for only a casual fling they will say it and let you know fast.  That is when you say no thanks and click the delete button (if you're looking for something long-term).  


Another thing I find is that so many people are really bad at taking pictures of themselves so I've learned to give a bit of leeway in that area cause I've been pleasantly surprised in the past.  Most of us are not photogenic and pictures capture only 2 dimensions.  I only give some leeway though if the profile is well-written and I sense a meshing of values.

  

My last relationship was with a man who did not post a picture of himself but he sent me a message that captured my imagination.  I called him out on his lack of pics and the unfairness of it and I don't know how he did it but he managed to turn it around and sweet talk me into calling him!!!

  

In any case, we met (with some hesitation on my part) and his confidence, charisma and good nature, all of which I sensed in his email and phone conversations, overcame his average looks.   It turned out he couldn't post pics online cause of his high profile job which he slowly revealed to me.  

So my recommendation is not to flat out reject men with no pictures but rather use that as an opportunity to really assess their profiles.   The guy might not have posted a pic due to his position (or he could be married as well) but that is when you vet anyways. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Sophia Ppl can always send photos to you privately,that's what I requested. Unless you're working undercover in some way, there shouldn't be a reason he can't send a photo to your private email.

Sophia 485 pts

 eugeniaberg   Sophia Of course, good catch Eugenia.  He did send somewhat blurryish photos at a later point when we were email corresponding and a man will need to send proof in some way at some point.  I did have some trepidation but it worked out well for the most part. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Sophia Good b/c ladies and guys particularly have to remember is you're a single woman. Safety is always priority particularly with online dating, ppl are certainly capable of lying quite easily over email or the phone. I at least want to know what you look like or have a picture if I have describe you the police LOL. I'm j/k but really I'm not.

TheFrocker 38 pts

 Sophia You find that men are transparent online? I'd say the majority of men have lied about what they're looking for to me. Once they realize that they're not going to convince me into sleeping with them in 1-3 dates, they pull a disappearing act or start acting strange.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 TheFrocker  Sophia Good job TheFrocker!  You just keep vetting them and the right man will appear. Takes time to vet...

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

Very funny and sharp article...having been happily married for 17 years, I have no idea what do in a date...I suppose if by some horrible misfortune I was single again, I'd probably go on-line myself...and take the advice given above.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

What most women don't get is that it takes a special kind of intense vetting to online date. It's not like meeting ppl in real life but for some reason ppl want to pretend it is. If you've been online dating for years and years and have yet to meet anyone satisfactory, you may need to re-think your strategy. I online dated (along w/ RL dating) for not even a year, it was intense but I met my husband. If it has taken any longer than that, I would have moved on to whatever was next in my life and thoughts.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

There also has become this weird rash of wm and non-bm who are just online to get their jollies with bw. They wouldn't dare speak to you in public but they're online looking for needy bw to do weirdo stuff with, ladies need to watch out.

IAOSingleMoms 875 pts

 eugeniaberg

 We need a blog post on Online Dating and Intense Vetting BBW...LOL...because my "filters" have not been working...I keep getting crap...I don't know how many times I've been asked about my bra size and have had to hang up and block people.

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 ShunJack  eugeniaberg  What sites are you using? As many complaints that I have about online dating, I can honestly say I get very few sexual propositions. Mostly those who were looking to satisfy fetishes, but didn't want to be outed on a site that would be more appropriate. Even those guys were pretty polite with their requests, lol. Personally, I think you get more men looking for hook ups on  the free sites. Serious-minded men are sometimes more willing to pay. I also make it clear in my profile that I am looking for a committed long-term relationship. I don't use any suggestive photos or language. If you have a particularly curvy figure, try to de-emphasize photos that show off your bust. They can always be pleasantly surprised when they meet you in person. I ignore all "currently separated" profiles which means "still married" because they are less likely to be looking for something serious. My first question is "What kind of relationship are you looking for?" If he isn't sure or he's just "seeing what's out there" I move on.

 
eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Leona_LoveQuest @ShunJack I think women think that men on free sites are just trying to hook up, what I found is there were more available men on free sites. Also found more guys on those sites were willing to date bw. When I did match, I found a ton of players on there. Most of those guys were not so into dating IR. I was on a couple of free sites, ones ppl didn't think of, a lot of local ones. That's much better b/c I wasn't in w/ every girl in America and I wasn't meeting a bunch of dudes from far places. I didn't want to do the long distance thing. Three of the nicest guys I dated, all looking for serious relationships except I wasn't feeling it w/ two of them were from Craigslist. I never got that on match.com. I think there are more men on free sites and probably better choices for women if you know how to vet, is b/c most women won't do free sites, I think that's b/c most women don't know how to vet. They think if they go on match or eharmony it will vet for them b/c they paid but understand there is a lot more competition on those sites b/c a bunch of other women are thinking the same thing you're thinking. Many dudes on there are all yes looking for perfection. I'm sure on mamy of those the mpwomen outnumber the men, at least the date able ones. Because I had some vetting skills, it didn't matter about free, I was in control b/c I knew how to vet and tell a worthy man from an unworthy one. That simple. Serious minded men aren't more willing to pay, dudes who want a lot more choices and you get that on pay sites will pay to be a player. I've seen it happen.

Leona_LoveQuest 432 pts

 eugeniaberg   Leona_LoveQuest  ShunJack  I agree with you about more choices on free site and probably more willing to date IR. But I do my own vetting on Match as well. Just because he shows up in you daily matches doesn't mean he's necessarily a match. I've tried the popular free sites and I felt the quality of men was a lot lower and I got approach a lot more often by players. Again, this is my experience, I'm not trying to speak for every online dater.  Different things work for different people.