Prop 8 Overturned in California. Anyone Vexxed?

Pearl What are you talking about? Atheism is not a Religion. I don't see how you can compare Atheism to ANY religion. It's just like having 4 people in a room and 3 of them have food and one doesn't. So does that mean the person with food eats? how can you eat something that's not there? I'm an Atheist meaning: A -theist meaning I don't believe in deity of any religion. But let's just say that you meant science. the evolution theory, not only is evolution a theory it is a bonafide fact. You can't compare evidence to some made up crap in a book (oh excuse me books)

Pearl "What the hell. I wasn't comparing it. I said all of them were not complete truths. So yes, that makes them a bit comparable doesn't it."

WAIT?!?! did you just contradict yourself? like I said you can't compare non religion to religion. I don't see any gods helping starving children. I don't see any god actually answering anyone's prayers...look if you want to believe in the spaghetti monster in the sky that's your business but their is no comparing

Pearl it is proven to be true. it's funny how you talk about things you don't know. have you seen fossil records? no?

Pearl I didn't have to reply to your comment but I did...sooo.......

Pearlsparel if evolution is bullshit, how do you explain the diversity you see around you?

Pearlsparel

Contrary to common usage, in which theory simply means "a conjecture", in science, theories are tested over and over and over again, until they are either discarded, tweaked an tested again, or regarded as "true". Facts are observations regarded as true.

The reason why a theory is a theory and not a fact is because there is infinite time and an infinite amount of tests to peform that could either affirm or contradict the theory. This process is called falsifiability. this does NOT mean that evolution will ever be proven false. it simply means that the process to prove evolution false exists.

Some theories are so strong that they are generally seen as fact. This is true for gravity, for instance, and in general, with evolution.

Evolution has been tested for centuries. It is a fact that organisms are related to one another. It is a theory that evolution caused these changes and will continue to cause changes.

You may find this Wikipedia article useful. It explains why evolution can be considered both FACT and THEORY. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

TigerTheLionPearl I think she's just pissed about this whole gay thing and trying to take it out on non believers

Pearl lady I don't know who you think you're talking to about this "high horse" I basically said don't compare the two. what's your problem? it's no reason to get all bitchie with me.

PearlTigerTheLion ok are you upset that I call religion crap in a book? the same book that says to GAYS that they shouldn't get married because GOD will send them to hell. so which side are you on? lol it's funny how all of a sudden your so holy your so for the book who says they are against people like YOU.

not me I don't believe in the shit

Pearl ooowww so someones moody lol

PearlTigerTheLion I act like I'm better because I said religion is bullshit? I guess I'll take that

PearlTigerTheLion first of all it's YOU'RE secondly I guess calling someone out of their username is sooo respectful huh? where did you get your manners from?

PearlTigerTheLion bad grammar at best? this last comment was laughable. I don't know which is worst being called out of my USERNAME from a complete childish twit or the fact that I'm even engaging in a mature commentary with a child. \

only children uses profanity against others when things they don't understand lol

Pearlsparel TIME OUT!

Christelyn Pearl she started with me. I didn't do anything to her...it's almost like my first comment was a direct blow to her and it wasn't. lol I don't even know her

sparelPearl I don't care who started it, IT ENDS. Rule #1, no name-calling, cursing is feigned.

Pearl I said you CAN'T but I don't care do whatever the hell you want to do. if you can't make a mature comment without bitching to others then why are you even on a adult forum in the first place? I personally don't know what your problem is lady and I don't care. but at LEAST I had enough RESPECT to say I disagree with you without calling you names...can I say the same thing for you?

Pearlsparel STOP. I mean it.

Christelyn Pearl my comments to her stops right now...I will not say anything else on here because it's obvious she's pissed about gay marriage and not me lol. and I have RESPECT for you and this forum Christelyn so I won't say anything else

sparelPearl Thank you. Please, for ME. Stop this.

Pearlsparel Pearl, I hear the refrain, that 'Evolution is ONLY a THEORY." - OK, but please note - Gravity and Gravitation is only a theory, as well - scientists (and non-science folks) know what it DOES but, currently, no one knows what gravity IS.

Therefore, arguing from your current set of beliefs (which, as beliefs, are not subject to objective test, experiment or falsification), please go to a high place - building or cliff - and pray or address a universal diety - then step into space.

Gravity, like Evolution, truly is only a theory ... but both are subject to objective evaluation, measurement, and have withstood formal attempts at falsification.

Not so is a belief system ... which can only (and usually does) respond to calls for objectification by devolving to, "expel the heretic!"

Pearl Copy that, and fully approve - you are so darned WISE for your years, I am often floored!

Pearl This is particularly true when religious Fundamentalists take hold of the 'bully-pulpit' - using that song I wrote, in a previous thread - regarding the Creationist, Evangelical, True-Faith, All-Believing, Apostolic, Rock-Bottom Fundamental Community (church, mosque, ashram, temple...) to _____ (fill in the blank).

"We never need apologize, our Faith is solid as a vault, 'cause, no matter what we do or say (pause), it's someone else's fault!"

Pearl you confused me on this one...you said that you don't care about Lovings vs Virginia and that you are going to be with someone of your own race. and I don't have a problem with that but it seems that if you don't care about that then why feel so strongly about this gay marriage issue? I mean it's it similar?

Pearl lol the queen of the internet hates to be replied to when people don't know what she's talking about...maybe if you explain yourself to people who don't be on the internet a lot maybe you wouldn't get replies like mines :)

Pearl Robert Heinlein (SF author) suggested that the USA was, "the land of the brave and the home of the fee".

Pearl . People thought that ethnic mixing was sick and unnatural, that we were of different species and our off-spring would be deformed pieces of sh*t.

well slavery already prove this to be not true... Thomas Jefferson anyone?

lul Thank you!

DidiO Um...The US Constitution doesn't affect you?

kc

Nope. I live in the UK.

That makes sense.

candielady357 It seems the "like button" never appears on my iPad...so I like and agree with your comment

candielady357 It is impossible to ignore it, or in other words, mine my own business. It is on my tv everyday, I do not really watch the news now, just watch the things that matter to me, so in other words I mind my business however I comment on here because Christelyn ask what is my take on it.

Frankly it does not matter to me what the government does in concern with this, they have to govern plenty people, all kinds of people!! Religious people of all walks of life as well as non- religious, however the state does believe the bible is still a good book and respect it because it was the faith of the founding fathers, so it is given due respct (seen on the money, on the witness stand, when hand goes on the good book, when the president is sworn in).

So people unless you want the government of United States to be completely secular, being very secular in my eyes mean divided...in Europe it is so, especially France(I believe) where islamic women cannot wear their hijab (no religious belief shown in a secular setting ex. street, schools, etc.). Now what will have to happen is what many Jews do, segregate their children in Jewish schools and communities. I am not afraid of change but I hope this is not wide spread where people cannot show their faith in anyway, we will be going backwards instead of forwards, (jews, christians, Africans slaves had to worship in secret).

I am being openminded when I say that, I believe if you are a Chrstian we should have the same belief in common but if you are not it is okay, though I would love for you to be Christian, we have to live and let live...(good one). The government have to govern all of us with no biases. I love people and not all that they do, also, "black" people cannot change being "black". We cannot pretend to be something else as a gay man can to be straight!!! So PLEEEEEASE do not compare the 2!!! The struggle is similar only difference because there is scientific proof on the other...lol... Darwinism was soooo?ugh..

nyaw candielady357 We still have freedom of religion in this country which also means we have freedom from religion. That is not going anywhere it's in the constitution so you can't compare us to France.

I am not comparing us to France I do not want this country to become like France. Or perhaps we are completely secular in society already but we do things a bit different form France.

nyaw That's the example you gave so I took it. We are no exactly secular and probably won't ever be but we won't ever be a theocracy either.

nyaw I'm not sure about the France thing ...I thought religious symbols thing applied to government jobs and court houses...not generally. It's a tad extreme to me...but as the US

Eugenia is right about both freedom of and freedom from religion. As for oaths...in court and presidential swearing in ceremonies people are given the option to swear on a bible or swear under penalty of law for atheists. I think everyone should swear on the constitution the same way civil servants do, but that's just me.

But think it's extreme to suggest that people will be praying in secret. Same partners are not anti religion they are simply tired of having something they don't believe in being used as reason that they can't be together. I think their frustration is reasonable.

nyawcandielady357 This is a constitutional democracy there is a separation of religion and state, completely secular government is how it is suppose to be. Secular governmental institutions does not mean violating peoples right to religious freedom as in the case in France. In the case of gay marriage the government is upholding the civil liberties of a certain group as it should, in no way is the government limiting anyone's right to practice their religion.

......but it would open the court to resolving every intrastate battle...

Blackberry But then how do you get Loving v. Virginia? You're missing something here.

Blackberry And with the SCOTUS it's well known all you have to do is ask a couple of times and they'll take stuff.

eugeniamitchell You're in the legal field as well....so I think you understand the need to be simple in one's language about the law when speaking on a non-law blog.

I understand how cases are appealed from the state level through the federal circuit and to the supreme court. On all sides of this debate there has been a tacit agreement to keep same sex marriage out of federal court system. I also think federal courts are happy about this particular truce.

My larger arguement (too long to list here) was about the balance of power between the state supreme court and the referendum process in California. It would dangerous to allow the referendum system that kind of power. It'd be one thing if the equal protection clause of the california constitution were to the redrafted or excised entirely..... To allow a law to create exceptions to the state constitution because of disagreement as to how the courts interpreted the constitution is improper. I think the court was right to do so. The opposite outcome would completely eliminate the state supreme court a the final arbiter of constitutional law in the state.

Blackberry I see and yes you're right I try to keep it simple when I talk about the law. We have the referendum process here in Washington but it's all about taxes here LOL. It is not the most like process, it started out as this really lauded idea but many ppl in this state democrat and republican are not real happy with it. I've been hearing that more and more in the news from different states that use it usually from legislators. I wonder what the future holds for the referendum process.