RANT: Why Can’t You Poke Fun of Muslims Like You Can with Christians?

RANT: Why Can’t You Poke Fun of Muslims Like You Can with Christians?

So I’m driving back from a long weekend hippy convention and I’m listening to KFI AM 640 because it’s like blind people’s television. One of the stories is about an upcoming show, GCB (Good Christian Bellas/Bitches) on ABC. Ever the shite starter, presidential hopeful, Newt Gingritch said that this show is discriminatory against Christians, a religious group other religious (and nonreligious) group feel safe about bashing, whereas with say, Muslims, to create anything against Allah is grounds for a fatwa, beheading and stoning.

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So I’m driving back from a long weekend hippy convention and I’m listening to KFI AM 640 because it’s like blind people’s television. One of the stories is about a new show, GCB (Good Christian Bellas/Bitches) on ABC. Ever the shite starter, presidential hopeful, Newt Gingritch said that this show is discriminatory against Christians, a religious group other religious (and nonreligious) groups feel safe about bashing, whereas with say, Muslims, to create anything comical against Allah is grounds for a fatwa, beheading and stoning.

Here’s what he said:

“Look at the new show that’s on that has the word ‘Christian’ in it, and I want you to take the exact name, drop out Christian and put in ‘Muslim.’ And ask yourself is their any network that would have dared to run a show like that and you know the answer is not a one, because anti-Christian bigotry is just fine in the entertainment industry but they have to be very protective of Islam.”

Fact is, it’s true. The extremists of Islam have completely hijacked (yes, I went there) this religion and culture to the point that every discussion or criticism about it stays off the table. Muslims get the kid gloves treatment while Christians get thrown under the bus. Why is that? Is it because a Christian will just give you a stern bible thump while a Muslim will cut your throat? This tip-toeing is really getting annoying. Even our president is cow-towing, apologizing personally for every infraction. Last week, it was the Koran burning. This week he’s apologizing for a whack job who went on a killing rampage. And why is he doing it? Because the entire Muslim religion has him by the gonads. It’s absurd. Did the president apologize to the parents of the children killed and injured in that shooting in Ohio? How about we demand Obama apologize to all the families who were killed in last week’s deadly tornadoes? No?

Oh–it’s because he has no control over crazy people and acts of God? Bingo. Yet, $123,154,079 kabillion that some Afghans are now plotting their revenge on the entire United State of America because these folks don’t understand nuance. While the shooting is horrific, it was not state sanctioned. But because of who and what we are dealing with, the order to kill those 16 folks (9 of them children) might as well have been an executive order.

And to the moderate Muslims angry about being piled into one glob of a stereotype, you only have yourselves to blame. You allow these gangsters to dominate the perceptions of the religion. It’s just like how black folks can’t really complain about our image when we allow pedophiles, (c)rappers, crooks, liars, spouse beaters and cheaters to speak for us.

But back to comedy. Can anyone think of a single, solitary joke about Islam that hasn’t called for someone to be killed for daring such an affront? Remember the fallout from the Mohammad cartoon?

‘Nuff said. And before anyone comes on here to declare a jihad, I really don’t have any skin in the game–I’m becoming more spiritual and less religious, so I really don’t care which team anyone is on (don’t worry Mom; I still love Jesus). But you can not tell me there is not an unfair and DEADLY double standard here and we PC folks are all tippy toeing around this like everything’s all good with gravy.

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Asia 195 pts

It's the same reason why fat girls can talk smack about skinny girls but skinny girls can't talk smack about fat girls. It's the same reason why poor people can talk smack about rich people but rich people can't talk smack about poor people. I was watching one of Chris Rocks comedy shows =]

Betty Boo 259 pts

Newt, Mr. Monogamy has the NERVE to talk about "Christian" values????? Mr. My 2nd and 3rd wives were once my mistresses? Really now and we should listen to him because????  Uh should you not FOLLOW the very principles you are trying to defend? Ah yes now I know why I need to vote for him!

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Betty Boo And THAT'S why people make fun of Christians.  The ones screaming they're Christian loudest are the ones who act the LEAST Christian!

claireshegoes 41 pts

"And to the moderate Muslims angry about being piled into one glob of a stereotype, you only have yourselves to blame. You allow these gangsters to dominate the perceptions of the religion. It’s just like how black folks can’t really complain about our image when we allow pedophiles, (c)rappers, crooks, liars, spouse beaters and cheaters to speak for us."

 

Ouch!

 

I'm not a Muslim, by the way.

 

I don't think that Muslims "allow" radicals to dominate the way that their religion is perceived. I understand what you're saying. However I believe the issue is more complex than the way you described it. Meanwhile, moderate Muslims do indeed speak up about their faith.  Have you ever heard of Irshad Manji? 

 

She's never really hid what she thinks of extremists in her religion. And although she's only one individual, there are scores of others like her.

 

Sadly, I feel that extremists are succeeding in perpetuating negative perceptions of their respective faiths, thus ruining things for the "regular" folks who practice them. However, so long as people like me are willing to continue to speak up about the "normal" side of being black, religious, etc., I am hopeful that the tide of ignorance will turn.

 

...And even if it never does--because the jerks always seem to have the loudest voice and do the most damage--I will not be moved.

 

AJ2011 2310 pts

 claireshegoes These extremists are successful because, and we have to honest about this, it gives anyone looking for a way to validate a prejudice they had in the first place to keep it. We know full well that blacks can't control their image when some media/entertainment company is offering serious money to project the one that keeps the consumer/audience comfortable. You knew enough to balance your exposure and I appreciate it. There is enough information online for anyone willing to do the same, I'm just waiting on better excuses at this point.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 claireshegoes "...And even if it never does--because the jerks always seem to have the loudest voice and do the most damage--I will not be moved."

 

AMEN!

Ares991 6 pts

Well if you moderate Christians would say something when the crazies/extremist in your group do/say something then you wouldn't have others always making fun of you. If you can judge all Muslims by the extremist in their group, then people can do the same with Christians( and any other group of people really).. it's moderates in any group that are at fault for their image. Moderates are the ones who are quite and don't call out the extremists, then complain when people have a sour image of them.  And it's funny you think that people still aren't being hurt by Christianity. People are still getting killed or their lives ruined because of Christians who take it to the extreme.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Ares991 Please don't assume that because you don't hear of the moderates speaking out that they don't; and that counts for every religion that's been hijacked by extremists.  Moderates combating extremism doesn't make for nearly as interesting of a news story.

 

And I agree, people are hurt by Christianity right now.  Like folks sent to camps to "reform" them from being gay.  Are people who kill themselves because they've been told they're going to hell for who they love.

Ares991 6 pts

Zindzi_Zenani

 I know some moderates speak out but not many. The majority, like most people do, are only concerned with their own lives and think of themselves as an individual. They are the people that say "oh that guy is not a real "insert religion here"  or think that since they don't act like that, it won't negatively and when they see someone in their group acting crazy, want to distance themselves from them/be silent, then wonder why others lump them in with the crazies. Silence never does anything. And if moderates are really concerned about their image then they should do everything to be heard and not let the crazy minority speak for them. Instead of distancing themselves from the crazies, when out  and about, publicly criticize them, show everyone else that their beliefs/actions won't be tolerated. Yeah it's easier said than done but moderates/non-extremist need to do something to take back their image from extremists.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Ares991 I don't know about Muslims, but I can definitely say I don't think that Con Christians are the minority of Christians in this country; I think they're the majority.

 

Every progressive Christian I know speaks out CONSTANTLY about how we feel about Con Christian doctrines & beliefs.  But, we have better things to do then try to get press for that.  We're out here trying to help people.  THAT is the way we SHOW that we're different from them.

claireshegoes 41 pts

I won't comment on Islam in this context just yet. But anyone who thinks GCB is "discriminatory against Christians" needs to relax.  

Karla 18246 pts

 Brenda55 Yep, that's me.

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

 Karla  Brenda55 

Bingo!  215 comments before 1800 PDT!!!

 

No spaghetti with chopsticks tonight; back to the original plan for yakisoba!

KfromVA 335 pts

The people wanting to "make jokes" about Islam remind me eerily of white people wanting the right to use the N word.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

There is not much point to making jokes about Santa Claus.  But if a group of adults decided that they were going to kill anyone who made fun of Santa Claus.  I think it would be every person's duty to make fun of Santa Claus.

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

There was a show called American Muslim (or something like that) and there were protests (from Christians) to get it taken off the air. I remember Loews was going to advertise on the show but had to pull their advertising.

 

Why are the so many problems with Muslim extremism and failure to integrate into Western societies? 1. Shari'a law has not been modified by hundreds/thousands of years of secular law. 2. Many Muslims across the world are still predominantly ruled by ethnic and tribal obligations and concerns. Secular law and democracy require that you trust people other than your immediate family, and that you trust secular law to resolve quarrels between people.

Bellydancer 789 pts

www.jihadwatch.org has links to other websites that document and cover stories on exteme islam.

 

 

KTW 56 pts

Islam makes some (and I do not include myself among this population) Americans nervous because it's foreign. Many of Islam's harshest critics (like Gingrich, et al) grew up in an America that was largely white and Christian. They don't recognize this new, multicultural/multi-religious America, and they grab on to the most virulent examples of extremism to justify their fear.

 

And GCB isn't making fun of Christians; it's satirizes mean Dallas socialites.

 

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 KTW Funny thing is, I posted a petition this morning on FB calling for a name change of the show.  Not because I'm offended of them satirizing some Christians, but because I don't approve of womben being called, "bitches."

 

I know a helluva lot of Christians who are just like those womben though.  But calling them "bitches" is just wrong, especially coming from a major media network.

modernmystic 143 pts

 KTW then why the word "Bitches" in the title.  

I have Muslims IN MY FAMILY, and they make me nervous because of their beliefs.

 

Attitudes like yours are slowly slouching America toward Gomorrah 

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 modernmystic  KTW Most Muslims are FAR MORE principled in their behavior than the VAST majority of Christians.  CHRISTIANS are what will take this country towards Gomorrah!

IAOSingleMoms 879 pts

Chris...I have nothing to add...but you get High Fived to the 100th power on this one....

LuMaTsao 146 pts

omg, this thread exploded. People fighting over who's chicken recipe is the best HAHAHAHAHA

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 LuMaTsao 

It's almost as serious as Edward vs. Jacob

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

 Brice Cameron  LuMaTsao 

Nothing is THAT serious, LOL.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

Just in case anyone else is wondering, in the last 2 weeks alone, here's CNN coverage of liberal viewpoints by Christians - http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

My Take: Jesus would be OK with card counting

Pat Robertson speaks out for marijuana legalization

My Take: Who would Jesus vote for?

Inking for Jesus: Dozens of church members take Lenten tattoo challenge

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 dani-BBW LOL.  I don't think anyone else was wondering, and since this isn't a good example to the one person who was wondering (me), you can let it go now...unless you work for this blog and are trying to get in some free advertising.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani Wow. That's rude. I personally find these stories interesting because they are a different POV in Christianity so I am sharing just what I was referring to previously. If you don't like, keep it moving.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 dani-BBW I didn't say they weren't interesting at all.  I'm saying, they're not adequate examples of coverage of liberal Christianity being as widespread as Con Christianity TO ME.

 

Pat Robertson saying weed should be illegal (or any of the other craziness he says) makes the news on CBS, NBC, and ABC PLUS it makes it to blogs such as this one REGULARLY.

 

That was my point.

Grace80 204 pts

 dani-BBW  Zindzi_Zenani she reminds me of those people who claims to be Christians but would stand by when people are being killed and persucated all in the name of PC. As long as it's Christians that dies.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Grace80  dani-BBW *blank stare*  Seriously?  Because I disagree with you, I'm willing to watch Christians be killed?

 

And you're complaining about ISLAMIC extremism?!?

dani-BBW 1787 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani No... you were inferring that I was continuing our discussion about liberal Christian POVs in the media and that no one else was interested. I however was detailing what I was referring to in that discussion in case other people found the specific stories of interest. You are welcome to whatever viewpoint you wish about Christian POVs in the media and I am equally as free to share a different take, which we've previously agreed to disagree about.

Grace80 204 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani  dani-BBW It do seem like you defend and explain away their actions by saying 'Those people did it as well!' Something black americans whine about when white americans do it.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani  Grace80 O_o?? Grace??

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Grace80  dani-BBW I've never said a single thing they've done was ok because Christians did it as well.  In fact I said they were "just as heinous."  C'mon now...

 

And I'm NOT one of those Black people.  Another incorrect inference.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 dani-BBW No, I wasn't inferring that.  If that was the impression you got, I apologize if my sentiments weren't clearer.  Truly.  I just thought that we'd agreed to disagree and you were getting one more jab in by posting it separately.  

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

If this doesn't bowl a double-century by 1800 PDT, I'll have American food for dinner.

 

I can do sports analogies, too, ya know....

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Cricket doesn't count.

 

That was cricket, wasn't it?

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

 Brice Cameron 

More people watch Cricket worldwide than watch baseball.  Over a billion people watched the last Test Match at Lord's [MCC].  And just like basketball, it's racially dominated, only by Indians and Pakistanis.  Microsoft has a cricket team made up of employees hired for their cricket abilities.  

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

One of the times I was in Tobago there was a champonship match going on between Trinidad and Tobago and New South Wales.  Many locals were into the match, so I watched with my wife's uncle and asked him questions abut the rules.  I still don't understand them.  I know that if the ball goes over the fence it is six points and if it bounces off it is four.  That was the extent of what I learned.  Wickets, Overs, Outs.  I am still baffled.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Now that I think of it, it was the West Indies team that was playing NSW.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

p.s. Everyone who agrees with the sentiments expressed in this note, replace "Muslim" with any ethnicity.  Still sound sensible? 

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Brice Cameron *sigh*  I know that Brice.  My point was, there are things we say about religious minorities that we know not to say about ethnic minorities.  We know its wrong to generalize all Asians or Hispanics.  I mean, I hope we do.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

Islam is a system of beliefs.  Beliefs can be wrong or harmful.  There are churches that believe in the inferiority of black people.  Should we not generalize them either?

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Brice Cameron But ALL churches don't believe in the inferiority of Black folks, right?  So, we can't generalize them.  All sects of Islam don't believe in the same principles, and more importantly, PRACTICES.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani 

I think when most people speak of Islam they are speaking of Wahhabi islam and similar sects, not Sufis or the other more moderate sects.  Perhaps people should be more specific.  But the more extreme fundamentalist Muslims consider the other more moderate Muslims infidels as well and tend to take over when both are present.  The moderates are sometimes persecuted in more fundamentalist countries.

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Brice Cameron YES, people SHOULD be more specific.  When you say, "Muslims" how are others to know you're talking about specific sects?  I think people aren't more specific because they are ignorant.  They don't know they're only talking about some sects.  They say "Muslims" because that's what they mean.

 

The SAME happens to Christianity.  I've had to totally give up most of my Con Christian friends because they like to insist I'm not really a Christian because I don't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, among other things that they believe.

 

When is the last time you've heard a major news story about liberal progressive Christians?  But you CONSTANTLY hear about the Con Christians, don't you?

 

Nothing has happened in Islam that doesn't happen everyday in Christianity.