Five Reasons You’re NOT Ready to Swirl

Five Reasons You’re NOT Ready to Swirl

If you recognize yourself, you might want to rethink why you’re even here.

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Thousands of people come to this site every day. Some are curious about interracial relationships. Some are already happily swirled, others are hoping to get there. Then there’s the reader who’s not just a fence-sitter, she’s got a whole post up her ass. She’s who I’m talking to in this entry. The post-up-her-ass reader might be frustrated with her current dating situation, but is conflicted about interracial dating because she’s so deeply entrenched in what it MEANS to BE a black woman, with it’s crippling demands of her allegiance that every move she makes to cross the color line is met with her tripping and falling on her face because she insists in getting in her own way. Here’s five reasons why.

Reason #1

You’re biding your time until your Ideal Black Man/Black Kang comes along.

This woman has grown tired of painting her girlfriend’s toenails at the big-girl sleepovers every Friday night–you know, the ones she keeps having with her single and lonely friends to feel less single and lonely?  This chick stumbled on Beyond Black & White whilst googling “Black Love” porn and got here by mistake. She’s intrigued by the idea of dating a rainbeau in hopes to gain the attention of territorial black men who will, she hopes, she prays, will suddenly see the light and realize how wonderful and beautiful she is and immediately prostrate themselves at her feet, begging for another chance. She’ll drop the white/brown/yellow/red guy upon the first whiff of interest from the man/men she REALLY wants and will leave the nice guy who thought she was lovely/charming/attractive enough to pursue.

Reason #2

You want a white guy who hates white people as much as you do.

You want your rainbeau to basically self-flagellate every time you feel like ragging on white people. He’d better agree that every white man (except him) is racist and is hell-bent on the complete annihilation of the black race. If pet shopping, you’ll rip his balls off if he likes the white puppy more than the black puppy. And when it comes to the ills/problems/challenges in the black community, he is not allowed to have a negative opinion, because after all, everyone knows his people are responsible for everything bad that happens in the black community.

Reason #3

You’re a racism bloodhound.

The rainbeau who dates the racism bloodhound must measure every word and police his thoughts so as to not raise the hackles of this angry woman who will chew a dude’s gonads like a Trident bonus pack.

Just like a bloodhound, she wakes up every morning and sniffs for any hint of racism in every look in the eyes, facial twitch, perceived slight, comment, and written word. She is expert in deducing overt and covert racism and eats, drinks and breathes the air of the oppressed. This woman probably majored in African Studies. Just kidding.

Reason #4

You still care too much what the GAT-DL thinks about you.

The Guardians of All Things Dark and Lovely (GAT-DL) have you wrapped around their pinky fingers by some strings, pulling you this way and that like expert puppet masters. You may truly love your rainbeau, but any whiff of disapproval by the people you’re working so desperately to please throws you into panic and terror at the thought of being excommunicated from the GAT-DL. You’re willing to sacrifice your own happiness just for a pat on the head from people who would sooner see you die alone with 100 cats before you find five minute of happiness with a rainbeau. But you won’t complain. You’ll just fall in line like a good little sister soldier.

Reason #5

You think one person should be responsible for the collective.

You are unable to see people as individuals. You look at a white guy and see a racist, klan member, snobby elite, slave master, oppressor. Some random nut shoots up a school and you say to your guy, “Why do you folks always shoot up schools?” News of a sexual harassment case at a rural Wal*Mart and you might say, “You people are always exerting your power on the defenseless!!” Affirmative Action is challenged in the courts and you’re asking your guy why his people refuse to give your people a break at a better life.

But don’t let that the shoe go on the other foot. Because I’d bet you’d flip your lid if your rainbeau asked why black folks don’t read, have a bunch of out-of-wedlock babies, have a seething hatred of their women, and kill each other for sport.

Just saying. If you recognize yourself in any of the above, you just might NOT be ready for swirling.

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CAPT SMOOTH 7281 pts

I dislike all these types of women but I personally have the biggest problem with number 5. I don't mind listening  when you need to vent  as long as it doesn't happen all the time. Racism is not something that should be number 1  on your hit parade, especially not if you could see past it enough to marry the guy. My biggest problem is with those who don't want a discussion, they just want someone to agree and nod their head. At that point it's no longer a discussion and has denigrated into a diatribe. See reason #2 above. There is nothing more frustrating than having a differing opinion or POV and having it be casually dismissed because "I wouldn't understand it because I'm not black!" That is the ultimate in condescension! That is also why we don't want to discuss race issues all the time.  Because too often, we get put in a position of being the whipping boy for the entire caucasian race. Those of us that date "out" are interested in you as an attractive girl who happens to be black, not because you're a black girl who happens to be attractive. Relationships are hard enough to maintain when it's just gender issues, but if you're constantly injecting racial issues too, turn out the lights Gracie, the show is over!

CAPT SMOOTH 7281 pts

Any or all of these is a reason to stay away from this type of woman. I don't care what she looked like, I would avoid this type of woman like the plague! She is toxic!

aceontopofkings 417 pts

This post is so hilarious and true. I love it.

MixedUpInVegas 1644 pts

My take on Chris's article is that every woman who believes she wants to swirl needs to decide if she is a woman first and Black second.  Because at the end of the day it is your femininity that is attractive to any man; your race or color are incidental.  In a heterosexual relationship, the man and the woman have to relate to each other in a way that is consistent with their genders.  The racial makeup of the two parties is secondary to the gender issue.

 

This is not to say that your race isn't or shouldn't be a matter of some pride to you, but rather that a man is attracted to you because you are a woman, first, and you also happen to be uniquely attractive to him perhaps because of your race.  If you cannot put outside influences (what the GAT-DL will think; wrongs you may have suffered at the hands of white people in the past; your feelings of anger and mistrust of men in general) aside and simply love one another as a man and woman would do, you will not only be unhappy but will share that misery liberally with him.

 

If you can love and appreciate one another for the genuinely fine qualities you each bring to the relationship, you stand a better chance of being happy together.  Trayvon, delegates throwing bananas at blacks at a convention, Black thugs shooting up an apartment building full of innocent people and such nasty occurences are exterior to your life together.  Yes, we care about it, but why bring that home with you?  Your home together is your haven from the world.  Keep it that way.  Neither of you owes the other an explanation or a apology for the behavior of others of your race.

 

From my personal perspective, I am a woman first, and boy do I LOVE being female (you men have it tough!)  My racial mixture is descriptive of my appearance, but it isn't who I am.  We are all unique beings and we should see ourselves that way. 

zipporah 1714 pts

I dont know how old you are, but i believe women have it rougher today...some young girls arent even going out on dates anymore in general...the wild ones are ruining it for the others--wild ones, who give their bodies away without dates..or just 'hooking up' in general, hoping if they do this, guys would ask them out later. This is women in all '50 shades" (no I didnt and WONT look at such trash)

MixedUpInVegas 1644 pts

 zipporah

 My dear sister, I am an old lady.  Nonetheless, I still live in the same world you do.  Being happily married, though, and of "a certain age" the activities and behavior of young girls have little impact on my life.  I completely agree with you that the young women of today have very different standards of behavior than I grew up with.  That was, however, in the stone age, so maybe my opinion doesn't count.

DWB 7329 pts

 MixedUpInVegas  zipporah Please explain to me why mothers allow their little girls to walk right beside them, wearing pants with "sexy" sparkled all over their butts, and then wonder why little Suzy is OUT OF CONTROL!

MySmile 4172 pts

@DWB I have no idea. I kid you not, this girl was in the store w her mom...and she couldn't have been older than 12 with this REALLY short skirt on and she was twisting around in a very disturbing way. Her mom had some pants for her and the girl said one pair wasn't tight enough so her mom put them back!!! Lol wth..I can't deal...

thecrazyartist 2216 pts

 MySmile  DWB

 You should see the hot mess which is the local victorias secret store in my area.  Older women with tragic looking bleached hair and messed up obvious extensions, caked on poorly applied make-up, offensive perfume(hot sweaty weather and multiple cheap perfumes don't mix), and 12 year old daughters that look just as much a hot mess.  The standard mommy daughter uniform is tight ill fitting skinny jeans(muffin tops and all), tight booty shorts so short that buttcheeks are on display, corsets from the clearance rack at hot topic and forever 21, and stripper heels or platform glitter sandals.  There used to be a time VS was a sexy adult(read 18+) store, but lately  I have noticed the amount of trashy looking mother daughter pairs has increased.  I even saw one pair where the daughter(who looked about 12-13) said she didn't like the underwear her mother picked out because they were quote unquote "not sexy enough and guys like sexy". WTF was all I could think before I left.

MySmile 4172 pts

 thecrazyartist  Wow! My mother dresses sort of young but she's never been slutty or inappropriate...always classy. I've seen a couple of girls who looked like middle schoolers in VS too though..a bit disturbing

MySmile 4172 pts

@MixedUpInVegas I love being a woman too! Yes, my whole identity is not wrapped up in my race...it is just a small part.. I also don't believe in stereotypical definitions of blackness. I can be s sensitive chick who listens to rock but I know I'm black. Being black isn't a burden to me but I am very aware of myself, it that makes any sense. That's a good point abouy your home..or I guess in the case of non married people, your relationship should be a haven, but at the same time you should be able to talk about issues you are passionate about and stuff that bothers you about this world. I guess.at the end of the day, as long as you understand each other and it doesn't ruin an otherwise good relationship its ok...but like I said I try to limit the purely racial conversations..its exhausting..I'm just passionate about social issues in general but even I realize sometimes you just have to relax and enjoy time w that person.

CAPT SMOOTH 7281 pts

 MixedUpInVegas

 "From my personal perspective, I am a woman first, and boy do I LOVE being female (you men have it tough!)"

 

 

Baby, we love the fact that your female too, but we guys don't think we have it tough. We get to lie next to a smooth fragrant smelling girl and hot wax never comes near our pubic area!

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

Perhaps, your WM might need a MAnslator:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DLxC-erFmVw

Additional BW-speak to Standard English module at an additional cost.

MySmile 4172 pts

Also, with number two, it's just crazy to expect any wm to hate all or most white people (especially if I don't myself), but he better not deny that some white people do have ill feelings towards black people. He doesn't have to feel responsible for them but he also can't be the "Racism is no longer relevant, it is a figment of black people's imagination, you are no longer a slave so therefore you are treated equally...bla bla bla" type.... I'm not trying to hear all that lol..like I've stated before, I don't think of myself as a victim, and if someone doesn't let me in through the door I'll climb through the window (there are ways around things), but you just can't deny the sickening amounts of social inequality in this world. He doesn't have to "get it"..he just has to be open to listening and not always on the defensive (especially since I'm not blaming him or all white people). Some white people HATE when you call racism out and will try everything in their power to make it not about race, even when it clearly is.

Joyce345 1738 pts

LOL. Chris you are so funny! Please write more often. I miss your humor.

So MnM12 186 pts

What about trying to compensate so much for your racist upbringing that you want to come across as being down with other races? You may want to be in an IRR but always come out with inappropriate conversations and get your partner riled! Some people of different races may not have a clue about the plights and negativity associated with race. How can one break through that, if they sincerely want to be with you? Count the cost before you decide to date out of your race, not for anyone else and their machinations or you wanting to prove a point but because you feel comfortable being with the one you love.

AJ2011 2310 pts

My biggest concern is the idea of black women compensating for their race and gender combo to peak the interests of non-black men. Its like apologizing for being born the way you were. My boyfriend has never asked me to compromise any part of my identity or interests to make him comfortable and if I were to I think I'd lose his respect and respect for myself. #5 needs to work both ways, not taking the heat for what happens on World Star.

MySmile 4172 pts

 AJ2011 "#5 needs to work both ways, not taking the heat for what happens on World Star."

 

Yes! If a guy expects me to take responsibility for all black people..then something is up with him and he's not my type anyway. I am an individual, yes I'm a black woman, yes, that is a group of people, some of us have had similar experiences and have shared viewpoints, but at the end of the day I am me and only me. Everyone is different. I wake up with me. I go to sleep at night with me. I am in no way responsible for what happens on world star hip hop lol. I'm in a computer lab doing Spanish homework (took a quick detour lol), not cussing out bus drivers and stomping people out in the middle of the street...

 

I also hate when wm try to use the angry bw stereotype as an excuse not to approach bw. That's a buncha bologna. The stereotypes aren't, but the thinking of all bw as the same and using that as an excuse not to approach is. If the individual woman looks neutral or approachable, then don't let her being a bw hold you back. There are plenty of sweet black girls, like myself, who will smile and love to be approached in a respectful manner. Grow some balls and take a chance. Sorry if that's harsh..I'm really not a harsh person, but I just can't make excuses for men.

AJ2011 2310 pts

 MySmile You got a witness right here.

Alana 2 387 pts

 MySmile  AJ2011 Take a chance, especially if in a social environment that is mixed or predominantly non-Black, and the BW seems to be enjoying herself.

Mimi_Love 220 pts

I agree if you feel any of these then maybe dating is not for you for at least a while, especially number 5!

MySmile 4172 pts

I will say that though I have been in one IR and have casually dated a few other wm, I have been somewhat of a number  3 (definitely not as extreme though), at one point in time. I have never thought that everything was racist, but I've had a bad habit of over analyzing everything pretty much my whole life... I can read people fairly well, not to mention I study social interactions and inequality, so I can sniff stuff like that out like a bloodhound, whether it's subtle, implied, or obvious... this goes for racism or prejudice, people's feelings towards me (i.e. someone who would talk behind my back), what type of person someone is in general, etc....I have been wrong about these things several times, but 75% of the time, my intuition proves to be right.....I've calmed down a bit as I've gotten older but I am still outspoken about that. If I feel like something a guy said was ignorant or just stupid, I'll tell him...in a polite way, but I still tell him...this goes for all guys though...

 

I have seen so many examples of subtle racism and believe that many white people do turn a blind eye and they do benefit from white privilege so they keep their mouths shut...I don't like people who deny that racism still exists (systematic or otherwise) or that it has effects even to this day. They have to at least be open minded even if they were previously unaware. We don't have to talk about that most of the time...and I certainly don't want him to see me as a victim, but I can usually tell if a guy feels a certain way about black people and other groups (especially those bitter conversations about welfare, food stamps, and where their taxes go... it's usually a way for people to be racist without seeming racist) Sorry if this is too sista souljah for you all lol (anyone who know me knows I'm not), but that's just how I feel about the whole thing. I'm not searching for anything, and I try not to assume, as I know plenty of good people of all kinds, but if something strikes me the wrong way, I usually go with my gut feeling.

 

 

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DWB 7329 pts

 zipporah The majority of welfare recipients are white, just complaining about welfare is not -- in and of itself -- a sign of racial animus. It is good to give others the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves guilty. In my experience, racist can't hide for long.

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  I know that the majority of welfare recipients are white... but guess who gets stereotyped as welfare queens and leeches off of the government? You can't deny that the "poster child" for lazyness is a black person in America. When people complain about welfare, 9 times out of 10 they aren't complaining about white people. I'm always skeptical about that..like are you concerned with people abusing the system or are you more concerned with WHO is abusing the system? Plus, most of the times they don't bring up people abusing the system, they just trash talk anyone on welfare in general ("They should get a job and work hard like the rest of us") I've never been on welfare but I've heard plenty of people's opinions on this..probably too many...

 

Like I said, I try not to assume, because I've had talks with people who just don't like anyone abusing the system...and I don't particularly care for that either (but I'm happy it's there for people who need it)...but some people just don't like their money going to anyone who is black..even if they need it...let's just face it.

DWB 7329 pts

 MySmile Oh no doubt, but the funny thing is, I've heard white people -- ON WELFARE -- complain about "lazy, shiftless" black people on welfare. I've heard black people -- ON WELFARE -- complain about "grubby, low-down" Mexicans on welfare. LOL!!!!!

 

The fault never seems to lie with us, but THOSE people ... le sigh.

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  "The fault never seems to lie with us, but THOSE people ... le sigh."

 

Exactly!! Haha wtf..I've heard black people complain about Hispanics too!! (not about welfare, but still!) smh...People always need someone to blame....It keeps leading me to believe that it's human nature to have an "outside group" or someone perceived to be "at the bottom" .. It basically seems like we need to put down someone else to feel better about ourselves.....but I'm not yet willing to accept an idea that depressing. lol

DWB 7329 pts

 MySmile Even before scientists created "race," there has always been "those people over there" for people to look down on or to blame for life's hardships -- more often that not -- the Jews. Instead of building ourselves up or assessing our own flaws, we tell ourselves "at least I'm not as bad as THEM!"

 

Sorry, but that IS human nature.

iHeartLove 804 pts

 MySmile I know where you are coming from, but I think what you described about yourself is more of a personality and interest thing than it is a race thing. I cannot date somebody who is not socially conscious. I just can't. I'm analytical and I love to talk about sociocultural issues including those that have nothing to do with race. Without some of these similar interest, we'd be have 2 different conversations at the same time and not even realize it. LOL. There are rainbeaus out there who have similar interest. 

 

The movie 'Something New' hit on this and the main woman, Kenya, ended up having a huge fight with her rainbeau in the supermarket. I think it was because she felt marginalized by a client at work and she thought it was because of her race, but he suggested that she was mistaken about the situation... I think that's what happened. She was annoyed at him for several reasons, but didn't conclude that he was racist because he didn't understand her perspective/experience. That seemed like a real scenario to me that comes up in IRR, but doesn't involve a 'racism bloodhound.' 

MySmile 4172 pts

 iHeartLove You are exactly right! ..It's not just a race thing...it's being socially conscious and my personality. I'm analytical too...always wondering why and about the meaning behind things....and yes, I get frustrated when people can't understand my perspective and experience, but I don't assume they are racist. I also am delighted if they are willing to learn through us sharing our experiences. I love rainbeaus who will talk about social issues with me...but they don't have to all the time...save some time for jokes and flirting :-) Plus, everyone regardless of color, has other things in common that they can talk about. Something new was a perfect example. Thanks..Other people always explain me better than I can explain myself..I can analyze everyone else but can't figure myself out for the world lol

Brenda55 19293 pts moderator

 iHeartLove  MySmile 

 

I saw that scene also but read it a different way. Both had had crappy days at work.  Kenya wanted to vent...yet again and usually her beau was down with that but he was running on fumes that evening and just wanted some peace and quiet.  He could have stood to vent also but he was not feeling up to even that much so he just wanted to chill. Just for that night. He just could not be there at that moment. 

 

Kenya was caught  up in her angst and needed to vent about the job, about race you name it. All she heard when her beau said "Not tonight dear" was "For one evening can we just drop the race thing."  She did not see why he said that and saw it as his playing his WP card and blowing her off.

 

 Of course she can't drop it for one night. She lives it 24/7 and if a black guy had given her a not tonight she'd have been pissed but it would not have been about race since he lives it 24/7 too. Kenya would have understood that.  They would have just argued because she was a woman or he did not value her job but they were even on the race part. 

 

White guys/ non-black men  don't get that pass.  They can't. They are not black so they can't feel it the way you do. You can't feel their stuff like they can either.

 

What cracks me up is this.  Why is the hitch always with race and not gender? Men can't feel it like a woman does and when he can't we may  get pissed but it is not the end of the world.  So we try again to help them understand.  Some of us can do that with race and culture as well.  And that  is why some of us can do the  IR thing successfully and some can't. 

 

DWB 7329 pts

 Brenda55  iHeartLove  MySmile I was going to respond to that, but you expressed my interpretation of that scene 1000% better than I could -- EXCELLENT!!!!!!

MySmile 4172 pts

 Brenda55  "What cracks me up is this.  Why is the hitch always with race and not gender? Men can't feel it like a woman does and when he can't we may  get pissed but it is not the end of the world.  So we try again to help them understand."

 

True! I just decided to talk about race since that was the subject of this post..but gender also plays a huge role! I also get frustrated that men are more of doers than talkers and they never want to talk about how they feel lol...silly me for expecting men to verbally express their emotions in detail :-P

 

And as long as the guy is willing to listen and try to see it from my point of view then we're good..but if he's closed off or he tries to shut me up then I do get frustrated...kinda like the Kenya thing...I try to limit these conversations out of respect for my emotional health lol...but it's hard to tell when the race talk is too much for him. I think I'd take it the wrong way if I had a bad experience and a boyfriend told me "not tonight" too..and especially if he thought I was overreacting or denied it was about race...How am I supposed to deal with that type of thing?

DWB 7329 pts

 MySmile  Brenda55 After listening to my wife describe a particular problem or rough day she had, my immediate reaction is "what can I do to help?" She smiles at me and says "you already have, you listened."

 

That is SO HARD for me -- I want to FIX it, but I can't.

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  Awww..well, that's the most important thing. I want a man who is similar...who wants to fix things, but if he can't just listen and try to sympathize, please.

Brenda55 19293 pts moderator

 DWB  MySmile  YOu guys are wired to fix stuff. More often than not we don't want you to fix anything. We only want you to listen.  A little cuddle is cool too.

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  Brenda55  iHeartLove I mean my ex boyfriend listened to my rants about Trayvon Martin, Black women in the media, and other stuff, but I still got annoyed sometimes that he didn't understand lol..he tried the best he could though..he was more conscious than a lot of wm I meet....but that's probably because he thought the worst of people in general..matter of fact he said he hated people...no bueno.

Brenda55 19293 pts moderator

 MySmile Some of this stuff you work out over time. 

It does not come all at once. It is easy for me now because Keith and I have been together for 13 years. 

 

Men DO talk about their feelings. It is not true that they do not.  They just don't do it the say way women do. Over time you pick up how he does it. 

DWB 7329 pts

 MySmile  Brenda55  iHeartLove I don't always agree with my wife's conclusions, but I respect her IMMENSELY. The reason that I found this blog is because I embarked on Google to prove her wrong about some topic we were discussing and ... well ... you guys convinced me that she was, in fact, right all along.

 

I LOVE strong women! :-)

MySmile 4172 pts

 Brenda55 True, they talk about their feelings, but you're right that they have a different style..they don't do it the same way..and each individual man is different so I think it will be easier once I'm with someone for a while and I "learn" them.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Brenda55 @iHeartLove @MySmile you're right in a relationship it becomes man/woman not black/white. But I've doing this IR thing a long time and once ppl get over the 'shock' that's he's non-black and I am it's just a relationship between a man and woman. It would do bw some good to take race off the table many times when trying to resolve conflict with mates. They're making trouble where they're need not be any. I've been married to a wm previously and am now married to a wm. most issues we incur about being a man and woman, human beings in an intimate relationship. If we ever had race issues it was b/c of outsiders not us, my best advice is to keep outsiders where they belong, outside.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Oh these kinds of women should not be dating nobody, they should be in therapy, period.

Oaktown Paul 839 pts

 eugeniaberg This is really important information for us men to know --- especially if new to IR dating.  Sometimes, especially when distracted by a bit of cleavage, we pursue first and then ask questions later. (You'd think we'd learn, but it happens all the time.)  So, from here on out, it is noted in the record that I haven't been warned   

Oaktown Paul 839 pts

 eugeniaberg That was a slip --- I "have" been warned!

Brenda55 19293 pts moderator

 Oaktown Paul   eugeniaberg  Boob blindness is a common problem for men.  Don't feel bad.

zipporah 1714 pts

Proverbs 5:15-24-even goes into detail--LOL

Oaktown Paul 839 pts

 zipporah  LOL.   I never knew!!!

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Oaktown Paul LOL listen the nicest set of boobs or roundest behind won't hide crazy for long. Unless, of course there's something wrong with you too :-) it's just as easy to enchanted with a woman that is mentally stable as it is to be enchanted by unstable one. Knowing the signs helps.

DWB 7329 pts

 eugeniaberg   Oaktown "...roundest behind won't hide crazy for long."

 

NOW she tells me ... why didn't you tell me that BEFORE my first marriage! Well, I guess I had to learn it the hard way.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@DWB @Oaktown LOL sorry you had to learn the hard way, I learned the hard way too just w/ my ex-husband. But you know what, we learned didn't we?! :-)