Relationships Doc Says “Betas” are ‘Betta.’

Relationships Doc Says “Betas” are ‘Betta.’

When it comes to long-lasting happiness, this relationships doc shows you the way.

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There’s been a lot of talk ’round these parts about alpha males vs. beta males–which one is better, which one is hotter, which one wants to wear your panties. Last week’s Question of the Week went on FIRE with comments because the young woman I featured, engaged to a rainbeau, stated without hesitation that she knew her fiance was a decent man who loved her, but alas, she longed for the swagger of a Mandingo.

This got me to wondering. Which you know sometimes can be bad. But this time it’ll be good advice for the single ladies lurking on here licking their wounds from the thug love they keep getting. Not to disparage alpha males, but there’s a lot of displaced testosterone posing as masculinity. These behaviors are like vaporous mirages, and end up stinking to high heaven like dog farts.

My last relationship before I married was with an “alpha-like male” who had little regard for a woman’s opinion, didn’t like to take orders from his bosses (he had a lot of them because he kept getting fired), felt entitled to, well…EVERYTHING, and insisted that I audition to be worthy enough to breathe.

My husband is squarely a beta, and according to relationship psychologist, Tina Tessina, PhD, a beta is betta. “So much better. Because he knows how to be a partner, how to cooperate and his focus is not on power, but on life satisfaction. He wants to provide (or help provide) for his family and keep them safe, but he does it with thoughtfulness, sense, cooperation and hard work. Educated, intellectual men are far less violent than the physically powerful kind. Think President Obama versus a violent gangsta rapper. Who does a better job of raising his kids, providing for his family and creating a happy life?”

She just described the hubster to a TEE.

I could make sweeping and gross generalizations here, but I will refrain.

Begrudgingly.

Here’s what she says in the downside of dating and marrying an alpha male:

Police, firemen, military, gangsta and other physically powerful men are often violent, belittling and intimidating with their families. Men who have social power, like politicians, celebrities and financial kings are frequently abusive in other ways: controlling, unfaithful, and narcissistic.

She said it, not me.

…But I was thinking it.

But here’s the nugget, the one we need to heed and stuff down the throats of teenaged black girls in all the 50: “In the black community, power often is equated with muscles and swagger.  This is also true among Latino gangs, white bikers, etc.  This confusion of safety with power means that women choose men who they feel can keep them safe from the world, but forget to consider whether the man himself is safe for them.

Dr. Tessina is a GENIUS when it comes to relationships, and she gives the kick-arse-iest quotes ever, which is why I’m alway hitting her up.  BUT! This is only a kibble of what she has to offer.  Here’s a list of books she’s written.  Bet you can find a title that applies to you.

It Ends With You: Grow Up and Out of Dysfunction
How To Be a Couple and Still Be Free
The Unofficial Guide to Dating Again
Gay Relationships
The REAL 13th Step
The Ten Smartest Decisions a Woman Can Make After Forty
The 10 Smartest Decisions A Woman Can Make Before 40

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just to throw in my two cents in the matter.

When the economy is great and the country is at its peak (or when things are about to crash, God forbid) the betta guy is usually better.

When things are rough, people are surviving, then the alpha comes in handy

I think there are alot of factors in volved besides just who treats one better. Its also important where one's head space is.

In survivalist environment folks would be bewildered to have a Justin beiber being a heartthrob. They may prefer, I don't know, a rock. Some thing or someone more aggressive. But we are living in these times now, so its natural for most of us to prefer the betta guy.

i think.

That's an interesting take, Miriam. I'm going to be looking into these personality trends in detail and let you guys know what I discover.

Christelyn. Your old man is sure easy on the eyes. What a cutie.

My hubby is definitely a Beta. He is a College Professor type (He does hold a PhD.and at one time did teach college level courses in his field of study.) He is an intellectual and if he does come up short its in day to day the horse sense department. That where I his lady wife comes in to bring him back down from the Ivory Tower to earth. What he has done and continues to do for me to challenge me to look beyond the obvious,to step out of my comfort zone and to seek options and opportunities that are just beyond the horizon. With out him I may never have traveled the world as I have and never seen how connected we all are despite our differences. We balance each other.

Re; Police and fire fighter. It does not due to paint with a broad brush as Dr. Tessina has. My sister is married to a firefighter, also a rain-beau and you would not find a finer man that has ever walked the earth. He is a loving husband and father who raises my sister's daughter (who is special needs)as his own doing more for her than the child's own Dad. He gives his all for his family and I could not ask for a better man for my sister to be married to.

When we had this conversation before on the Alpha Schmalpha thread I said what I said above. It takes some amount of balance for yourself and your partner. My fiance is a beta male, most definitely, he's very quiet, great at home, very reserved, loving, compassionate, affectionate and a great cheerleader for me but when he goes to work he just needs his role to become more alpha. He's an quality engineer in aerospace, so he's making sure all those parts that go on planes are right and if they aren't he solves those issues, so your plane works properly. When he does that he's very decisive and successful at it. When business needs to be taken care of this house, he's all alpha about that and it's great. Now he discusses everything with me and we communicate well. But he's the best balance for ME, some the things about him would probably drive another woman batty because as an engineer one the things he does is analyze every decision to death, he asks every possible question but that's his nature. Now he's more beta than alpha but that's perfect for me, because I can be more alpha than beta but we each know ourselves and understand what we are so it works. But for ladies out there trying to find somebody and I'll say this again, you need to know yourself to know what you want and need in a partner, just blogged about it a few days ago. If I hadn't known who I was, I may have ended up with someone like my ex-husband who was a beta and not the good kind, very weak. So both of these can terrible or great, but if they are bad you get the alpha that's a ego maniac jerk or the beta that's a wishy-washy man with no backbone, you don't want either of those.

http://singlegirlinaweirdworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/sometimeswell-all-time-you-have-to-know.html

My father retired after a 28 year career in the Air Force, and so I must say that I have a fondness for a man in uniform.. My dream man is Louis from "Interview with the Vampire" - tender yet masculine...

Love this post. I'll take a beta man any day. :-)

A lot of this rings true for me. I prefer betas with alpha tendencies to balance it out.

And as a cop's daughter, I can tell you not all of them are pure alphas....my father's actually quite shy and jittery at some points, I get my social awkwardness from him. Yet, strangely, he can be a mean cur when he wants to be. His alpha-ness kicks in sporadically.

Yet my younger brother is a beta through and through. He's the sweetest, most gentlemanly young bm you'd ever meet. He's not feminine, just the result of being sandwiched between a big sis and little sis. Despite being a chip off the old block physically, he's nothing like my dad in terms of personality.

...Man, genetics are weird.

My last relationship before I married was with an “alpha-like male” who had little regard for a woman’s opinion, didn’t like to take orders from his bosses (he had a lot of them because he kept getting fired), felt entitled to, well…EVERYTHING, and insisted that I audition to be worthy enough to breathe.

Yet a very beautiful black woman desired for him to be her husband and I suspect that she treated him quite well. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Black beta men are some of the most invisible of men and not because they don't exist, but because they tuned out and not well respected.

Touché.

My priorities were totally screwed up when it came to choosing men--what I thought I should want, who I thought I should be with--until I had my daughter it became clear. And to be 100%, there were a lot of good, black betas I passed up that probably would have made good husbands, but I was socialized to want very shallow things.

Wow, I'm VERY impressed that you would so easily admit this and it shows me how you were able to make such a 180 degree turn in your perspective. So many young women and men of all races are in such denial of their own flaws and acknowledging your flaws is the first step in eliminating them. Doing so worked to gain you happiness. I just wish that more women would do the same.

Many people don't understand what an alpha, or having alpha qualities, truly are. Thugs/gangsters/Mandingos are not alphas. Men who can’t keep a job are not alpha; alphas either find a way to rise to the top of the corporate ladder or they create their own empires. Insecure men- by definition- cannot possibly be alpha. Men who abuse and hurt other people are not alpha. And no one, alpha/beta/omega is immune from cheating.

I think it's also important to recognize that there is a spectrum and degrees of alpha vs. beta as well. Put one man in one group and he may appear to be the most alpha; then put him in another group and he may look like the most extreme beta. There are pros and cons of both and you have to find who will fit best into you world.

Also, as BW interested in swirling, note that alphas are probably more likely to NOT care what other people think.

I completely agree. Men who have authority can wear the mantle without having to resort to intimidation, abuse and/or outright thuggery. People who are horrid, controlling and mean are going to be that no matter their profession or "letter personality". People resort to that aggressive, abusive facade to mask deep-seated insecurities, I believe.

Everything in moderation. You use whatever personality traits best fit the given situation at the time.

Not sure about all this beta/alpha/delta business! But your husband seems sweet and helpful, and is oh so cute, and that's really all that matters. ;)

Aw, Alee, thanks. He is a cutie. And a great husband and dad. I'm truly, truly blessed.

Although you have different variations of alphas (1,3,5,7) and betas (2,4,6), there is always room for inconsistency. People have differnt personality types, and seeing that there are 16 different ones (coupled with psychological types, dominant functions, attitudes, etc.), there is room to interchange. I know some betas who possess alpha traits in certain situations and vice versa. What might work for one person, may not work for another.

I don't want to come off as daft, but would someone give me a definition for swagger? I know, I must live under a rock. :)

Good question. It's more of a "you know it when you see it" kind of behavior. The men who have "swagger" walk with an air of confidence and use a lot of body language signals to communicate how they rank themselves. In the BC, swaggar is sometimes synonymous with "thuggish." Tall, muscular men who know they're hot and scan the room for girls like prey. True alpha men seek power, and depending on their level of education and background, they seek power positions accordingly. Example, if you're an intelligent, handsome, highly connected alpha male, you might run a company or a company, become a politican, plastic surgeon or high-powered lawyer. If you're bright or of average intelligence, you might go into the military, or be a police or fireman.

But anyone can fake swaggar. It's the product of those behaviors (e.g. does the guy have a job, does he live with his mom, does he have 50-11 kids) determines if he's just a poser.

Heh, I been thinking about this lately. I think hubby is a "mix" thanks to the Scandinavian culture. He's competitive in the workplace (At least I think so because he does well). I think most Scandinavian men have this tendency towards being "beta" around the house thanks to the whole "feminist" movement in this country..

Apparently it makes for the best husbands in the world :)

http://www.thelocal.se/21098/20090804/
(Don't read the comments, I never do at that site its full of idiots)

Like when we first moved in together I was expecting to work full time AND clean the house and make dinner. Like women are expected to do... But we share everything (I make the food though, I just love cooking). And I don't think it makes him less of a man because he clean the house.

It annoys me to no end when men from other countries say that they are "sissies" for helping around in the house (Italians, English and middle eastern guys are the ones who keeps saying that).

love your new profile pic......so agree with you as well.

About alpha v. beta, I think ppl assume the kind of profession a man does = an alpha or beta. Instead of asking why are some bad characters attracted to powerful jobs, like police officer, military or stock market.....we judge everyone in such a field the same. Its like saying all teachers and counselors are pedophile bc child predators choice such a profession to have better access to their victims.

And just in IMO Pres. Obama is the combination of an alpha/beta. He couldn't be a grat dad and husband w/o the beta and he wouldn't have made it to the presidency w/o the alpha.

Hmmm...I don't know, E. Jimmy Carter was elected and I think he was squarely beta.

There is something in Carter that was alpha, you just didn't see it. I believe to lead you need some of it, anyway he wasn't that great of a president, sorry for the folks that like him. He's much more effective after he stopped being president JMO.

Carter's def an alpha. You don't go from being a peanut farmer to governor to President by being solely beta. Politics is ugly, ugly, ugly.

I think for recent President's, Regan and Obama represent classic alpha in the positive sense, though Obama is a better father than Regan was, but maybe it's by virtue of his generation that he's a better dad. But they both have a supreme confidence without having to put others down. Clinton and Bush II have negative alpha traits, IMO.

But a nice solid beta is a good deal for a hubby.

And if there's one thing I can tell these young girls about the gangsta rapper "thug" types is to steer clear of them. Not only for the usual reasons, but also because most of them are gay. Yeah, I said it. As a former ATL resident, I learned a lot about homo-thug culture. Guys how have to be that hardcore, to the point where they look threatening, is overcompensating for something. Hyper masculinity in a guy should set off a woman's alarms in the same way that a guy walking around dressed like the cop in the Village People should! This is how I know so many rappers are gay, besides the stuff I've heard about some of them.

Kels you are killing me.. lol. The problem with American society is the fanaticism extremism. These men think that being a man is being overly masculine which is not masculine out all. Obama to me IS the ideal man. Strong your soft when necessary--sometimes I wish he was even harder--and very intelligent. loves his wife and is faithful. YOU HAVE TO BE AN ALPHA to be in politics a beta would be eaten alive. We see alphas as negative because our society created a construct for masculinity. I can't dress like this I'll look gay. A well dressed man is deemed gay or metrosexual whereas a man dressed in Tommy Bahamas and bermuda shorts is masculine. A man that is violent is masculine a man that talks through aggression is weak and gay. etc. its utter bullsh*t and a reason why American men do not do it for me.. I love being in Europe and seeing what really manliness is. A masculine man in touched with his feminine side. It is called BALANCED and an Alpha can be balanced if he is raised in a positive and healthy society. Unfortunately ours is not.

p.s. yes most of those rappers are gay. Kanye is definitely gay and he is John Legend's boyfriend. Lmao

Kels, something to be the type of leader a President and other heads of state need to be has to be an alpha. You have to have alpha traits to lead, don't mean we've had all bad leaders, some are good at the alpha, some are terrible at it. I once heard someone talking presidential history and they said there has be something in the person that is a tad bit meglomanaical to have the gall to want to lead a good portion of the free world. I say that statement is true but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing you do that to get into politics and to lead. Pres. Carter is soft-spoken man and maybe wouldn't be my best example of a alpha but to be president he to be one. Obama is one, Clinton was definitely one. Just maybe depends on to what degree.

excellent assessment Kels on real masculinity as supposed to today's counterfeit fakers masquerading as alpha men.....so many smart ladies on this board.

I have never read any of Dr. Tessina's works so I wouldn't presume to say that I outright disagree with her. I will go on record as heartily agreeing with the statement that many young women today accept what has been called on these boards, counterfeit masculinity in that they confuse true power and stature with muscles and swagger. HOWEVER, my beloved is both a police officer and a soldier and I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are fewer finer men in shoe leather (apart from the husbands/partners of all the woman here, of course! :-D).

My husband is an alpha-type personality but he knows how to turn that off at home, or quite frankly outside of his work elements. I have never known a man more dedicated to making his family happy no matter what - and I was raised with an excellent father. No shortage of examples for me to look to. My husband is a true partner - excellent at compromise, supportive and wonderful and our son thinks he hung the moon. Even at 13 when they begin the descent into teenage mutants! :-) I could go on and on but I won't. I know you all understand what I'm saying. I also know that neither Dr. Tessina nor Chris said that ALL Alphas, police, military, fire, etc. types are violent troglodytes. Just speaking in support of all those who are willing to do rough and potentially violent work so that we can all sleep peacefully in our beds at night.

The police and the military men are great. But I sure as hell wouldn't marry one. Hell to the no! I had friends whose dads were police or military. They were always sooooo mean and strict and oppressive. Every last one of them.

My mom's first cousin just retired as a cop and he's a mean bastard as well. He talks to his wife like a child. While he always kept a job and was a good provider, he was and is not a tender husband or father. All three of his daughters act like they were raised without morals and values. It's like the home was soooo strict and cold that they ran the opposite way. So all three of his daughters have baby daddies, one of them has 3 kids by 3 different men, and all of them are obese. I truly believe it was because of their upbringing.

He wasn't a yeller and he didn't hit them, but he was so domineering and strict. I used to HATE going to their house as a kid. He's the kind of guy who would stare you down and then correct you if he didn't like the way you were chewing your food.

Not to bash policeman or firemen, because WE NEED THEM, no question about it. However, I do think it take a "special" kind of personality to be a partner of these types. My one experience with seeing the family life of a sheriff. He was handsome, flirtatious, and charming, still married to his wife and they had four kids and we all grew up together, mostly because we attended the same church. I can tell you, his four girls we not allowed to call him dad. He insisted that they address him by his first name. These were his blood children. He also bought "special food" that only HE could eat, taunting his kids with Oreos, name-brand cereal, drinks--whatever, that they were not allowed to consume. "Those are for Charles," one of the girls told me. I could not believe it. My father would have never bought the best food for only himself. He also had a fancy car that even his wife was not allowed to drive. She and the four kids had to drive around in a station wagon with no air conditioner or heat. Needless to say, all the girls grew up to be damaged and all had and continue to have problems with men.

It depends on the job in the military. I am a special ops ex wife and hardly any of the guys were faithful to their wives. The infidelity rate was extremely high- they're hardly home.Not to mention they kill people. Their unit wants them in that paranoid, alpha male mentality and it's not like a switch that they can turn on and off. Most guys in that field get out after doing their four years or do something else- then there are psychos who reenlist with no intent of a family life. But they need a little woman back home to pay the bills- I was a glorified care-taker. Belittled and abused daily. All the MPs (military police) I know are very decent men.

Wow! Okay, there seems to be both positive and negative traits that seem pretty obvious to everyone on the board (intelligent group we have here.) But what are the cons of a beta? Sure, they might not want to be the leader of the free world or anything, but other than that, what's the downside?

Hey Christelyn. I think the downside of the beta male is indecisiveness, lack of personal strength and believs and in the worse case scenario, inability to be a competent individual. I once liked someone who was a Beta, but his mother controlled him more than himself. His ability to make decisions and make choices was diminished as Mama had the last word. I also dated an Alpha, who just turned out to be a coward in the end. I guess it depends as well on personality, personal beliefs, ambition and vision for oneself... as well as they way they were raised. As for the film, I always look at the way "Something New" portrayed the Alpha/Beta mix. His Beta, relaxed, naturalist and "true to oneself" qualities mixed with her driven, perfectionist qualities. If you ever get a chance to look at ACTUAL footage of Richard and Mildred Loving, you would see it was the same. She seemed to be so, for want of a better word, "delicate". He was decisive, and spoke quite frankly. So he was an Alpha male and he had to be to make and hold fast to his decision to marry his beloved Mildred. In the film Zebrahead however,as well as MI2, Flirting, Ruby's Bucket of Blood, Eraser,Guess Who, Jackie Brown, and many others, it's hard to say if they are purely either Alpha or Beta but a good mix of the two. All I know is, thanks to Evia and you guys, the important thing for ANY woman who is single and looking is to carefully VET, VET, VET and look for a QLL (Quality, Loyal and Loving) man...whether Alpha or Beta.

Nicely stated, Ace! I will have to admit, the hubster can be hesitant about making major decisions--he is very judicious and totally not impulsive. He weighs the pros and cons ad nauseum. However COMMA, I'm glad that he is deliberate in his thought process, becuase he's made very good financial decisions for our family. I totally trust him. But...the indecision can be maddening, since I'm a knee-jerk kind of gal.

But of course, this behavior could be attributed to the fact that he's a Libra. ;-)

...Just like my dad was.

There are positives and negatives when it comes to the alpha/beta thing. Last night I watched one of my favorite movies 'Pride and Prejudice' and I love me some Jane Austen but the character of mr. Darcy is the perfect alpha to me and in 'Sense and Sensibility' the character of col. Brandon always seemed like the best example of a beta. Both characters I love and if the guy has the perfect balance it's great and of you get an alpha or a beta hope he has balance because either of those can be horrible mate if you get the extreme of either.

Eugenia thanks for writing what I was about to write. Being an Alpha/Omega female I have dated betas, didn't work and I have dated wanna be weak ass alphas and it didn't work. I working on balance in my life so I will need that type a balance from my male counterpart. I like the character of Fritz in The CLoser. Perfect male for me. Good with partnership but tell you where to stick when necessary.. yep.. :D

I'm also a BIG lover of Jane Austen and Darcy is one of my favorite characters as well as Col. Brandon. They each have that balance of Alpha/Beta that you're talking about with Darcy being more Alpha and Col. Brandon being more Beta. My husband is more of a balance because he knows when to be a take control type of guy, but he can also be quite soft spoken. He's my ideal mate that's for sure. I was with a guy who thought he was an Alpha, but had nothing to really back it up with. He was Indian. We were going to get married, but I broke it off because he was just being too wishy washy about it. So I told him off and let him know that he was not the one.

Dayum. Now I'm going to have to check out a slew of Jane Austen books for research examples for "Swirling." You know what also might be helpful? A list of alpha and beta actors or their characters so that people can relate to these characteristics in true, physical forms. The check's in the mail. ;-)

Ahh I love Mr. Darcy and Col. Brandon's characters so much. I'm getting mushy thinking about them, but to me that's the key, some balance and someone down the board said knowing when and where to let the alpha part or the beta part of himself kick in. Now, that's the guy I got because that was the guy I needed.

You took the words right out of my mouth. It's the balance. It's just too bad that many people equate power with violence, grandstanding and posturing.

beautifully stated....when I think of alpha men with fineness, I think of Mr. Darcy. Jane Austin is the original feminist thinker and her male characters are often strong mentally and physically.

I have always been attracted to Beta's anyways..i agree!!!

BTW you and your hubby are so adorable!!! ^_^

Thanks Mimi! That was a couple summers ago with I was obsessed with twist outs!