Silver Swirling: Why My Mother Won’t Ever Do It, But Not for the Reason You Might Think.

Silver Swirling: Why My Mother Won’t Ever Do It, But Not for the Reason You Might Think.

Single, widowed, and lonely, but too scared to swirl?

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Me and The Hubster herded all the kids into the Honda Pilot for a trip to see Grannie Mommie (a moniker my mother insisted we use to distinguish her from the mere “grandma”  because she wanted to be distinct) so we could cook, clean, and do basically all the stuff we do at home but just at her place because she’s, well, lonely. Plus there’s the breast cancer thing…

And while my mother goes through chemo–and this might shock some folks but she has absolutely no nausea–she has lost her hair but has a rocking new wig that she wore with a rackish black and white scarf and I couldn’t help but notice that at almost 73, my mother is beautiful in her way. She can be krazy with a K because of her undiagnosed anxiety disorder, but all the stress hasn’t hurt her looks none. She has hardly any wrinkles, except for the turkey waddle she always complains about and even that’s not bad. She honestly looks like she’s in her late 50′s, which bode’s well for moi.

It’s been 2.5 years since Dad passed away, and my mother is in want of a partner. She did see someone for a while–a fellow widower who never called her and she always had to call him for a date, and who decided he was having more fun getting laid and straight out told my mother that he wouldn’t get serious with her unless she gave him the poonahnah. Good for her that she refused (who knew there could be geriatric players?) but she was heartbroken nonetheless that he broke things off. I asked her why. I mean, he was such a jackass. My mother cooked a huge spread once for me, the kids and “the dude” and he never showed up.

“Because there just aren’t many single black men my age around here.”

I blinked, and said in her general direction: “Well, why don’t you open up your options? I’m sure there’s plenty of rainbeaus at the senior center who would be interested.”

“Oh NO! I couldn’t do that. What would we talk about?”

“Uh…same stuff all the folks in their seventies talk about: the latest ache or pain, gout, maybe?”

“Well I just wouldn’t feel comfortable.”

I knew what she meant. Her whole life she has thought that white people are superior to blacks, that her dark skin is ugly, and nobody except for another black man could ever understand her. Back when me and The Hubster were dating, I’ll never forget the look on her face when he sat down to eat with all of us. He might as well have been the sitting president at the time, George Bush’s father, George Bush.

What to do when a black woman who’s got a decade of good years left, is lonely, but is willing to put up with a piece of old raggedy black man (up to a degree) and won’t entertain someone new because she feels so inferior?

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empressc 28 pts

Sometimes it's not about feeling inferior but anger. My mother is about the same age as your mother, still beautiful and fiesty but she has a lot of resentment and anger towards white people. She grew up and has lived in the South all her life and participated in the Civil Rights marches. Therefore, she still sees them as "the enemy" but there aren't a lot of older eligible black men here. Hell, there are hardly any in my age group. When I mentioned dating outside her race, she looked appalled.

The Working Home Keeper 1495 pts

((hugs)) to your Mom, Christelyn. I'm glad she's not having any nausea. My Momma said that was the worst part of her chemo treatments.

Bren82 200 pts

Older individuals are set in their ways and they tend to always think about the past. It's more challenging for them as they are not always willing to be open compared to those in the younger generation. My mother also complains about being lonely and has settled for less, without success, to find a black man to fill that void. I feel bad for her. I don't think that my mother, who is 60 years old, could fathom being with a non-black man as she would probably be more concerned that there would be nothing to converse about.

Marcie 257 pts

My best childhood friend is not into the dating out of her race thing! She went on a date with a white man......and I asked her why she didnt like the date. Guess what her answer was " She didnt feel comfortable with him" She told me he was polite, was a good conversationalist and religious. It's a pity though. At least IMO she was opened to dating IR. She also stated she had a lot of stares from strangers. I guess other peoples perception prevented her from a second date. On the other hand a relative of mine wasnt into IR, but guess what she is like the champion of IRR now! Its like an alien is invading her body and thought processes now.

Penny 185 pts

Ah Chris. Welcome to the world of older parents. There is no convincing them of stuff. They feel based on their years of living they do know what's best. Your mom definitely made the right move in ditching the old player. I was going to suggest online dating for her since there are dating sites geared towards seniors but she doesn't have a computer. In Boca Raton, where I used to live, the ladies in the senior communites were quite aggressive the minute a man became a widower. And they were predominantly Jewish. I don't think the lack of availability of decent men for your mom is just because she's black. Women outlive men. Across the industrialized world, women still outlive men 5 - 10 years. So there are WW facing the same problem your mom is.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

Penny yes. I was a long-term office temp at a retirement community...and men are scarce in that group! o.O I remember a cute newlywed couple there...they were hot stuff LOL! ...like high school all over again. One of the women I worked with was a resident and thought it was "silly" that they married..blah blah blah (hater..haha) I thought it was great! ^.^

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

my mom is widowed too. everytime i suggest she might wanna vaguely think about dating again she brushes me off. She's not anti-swirl at all just wary period.

...when you start a Silver [well, still black-haired gracias a L'Oreal Preference #2 LOL!]Goddesses of the Week section, i might have to resort to pressure tactics. lolz.

FriendsofJay 482 pts

Your mom sounds very sweet and deserves a partner all to herself. I guess she's has believed the poison that people have told her about who she is. But remember Chris, she is from a much older generation than you. She remember the time when a white person could rape her, hang her, or otherwise abuse her with impunity. Those were terrible days-----a time we should all remember and vow never to let return. Somehow I think that you and Michael would be a good example to her that those days have faded away-----not yet gone, but dying out with each generation. But for older people, change can be difficult if you don't feel it in your heart. But for 73 your mom looks darn good. It a shame she doesn't want to try a rainbow for companionship.

BTW, as soon as I saw the picture of your mom, I saw the resemblance right away. And yes, her good genes tell a future of good looks and youthful appearance for you. As I've said before, Michael is one heck of a lucky guy!

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

FriendsofJay "...Somehow I think that you and Michael would be a good example to her that those days have faded away-----not yet gone, but dying out with each generation..."

yes, living proof and all. You never know ...she might come around at some point.

Betty Boo 245 pts

Hope your mom will be able to celebrate her beauty and let go of those ,limiting thoughts. Alot of WM her age wanted to date and marry BW back in the day but could not because of the times but now that they are older, they are seeking them out. I remember reading that somewhere.

FriendsofJay 482 pts

Betty Boo Yes, Betty, there were a lot of WM who adored BW years ago but got so much flack from their families they very reluctantly gave up. I was one of them back in the 70's. When I think of the dating and marriage opportunities young men and women have today I tell them, "don't let your chance pass you by." Of course, hind sight is always 20-20, but I get a good feeling when I pass one of the local high schools and see black and white kids holding hands. They don't care what the color of the person they like is. That's the way it should have been when I was their age. But be that as it may, I'm happy the way things are finally going.

reem11 363 pts

FriendsofJayBetty Boo

I have to agree with you.

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ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

PearlFriendsofJayBetty Boo hahahaha sexxaaay Richard Dawson. LOL!!

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

PearlFriendsofJayBetty Boo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRCDMvfcdE

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

PearlFriendsofJayBetty Boo hahaha we used to laugh about FF all of time, he was H.A.M.and a ham (in the old vernacular)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGpvxicYDFI&feature=related

i know older ppl(including my grandmother ) who kiss everyone on the lips as a greeting, it's odd.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

PearlFriendsofJayBetty Boo haha I can't stop laughing... omg, I haven't thought about FF & RD in years. LMAO!

ncatina 16 pts

ForestElfQueenPearlFriendsofJayBetty Boo LOL!!! Richard Dawson was ALWAYS crazy in his day. I watched Family Feud when he was on the show, and I don't recall EVER seeing that!

Toni_M 4842 pts

Best wishes for your mom!

I actually know people of varying ages who feel that way. Some pretty much say it outright, and others only hint at feelings of inferiority, but don't say it. I feel that continued colorism/intraracism has gone a long way towards continuing these feelings, especially in black women, and it's very sad.

It can be very hard to get people to appreciate how truly lovely and worthy they really are, but I suppose the best thing you can do is give them lots of love, and be there for them.

DidiO 294 pts

cont..part 2

My mum has dated on and off for years but it's been hard finding a decent, single BM- yeah I do not think she would ever entertain another race. I don't believe she feels inferior just that in our culture and country of origin (back in the day Lol), dating WM was only done by prostitutes so people my mums age still hold onto those ideas...

She has stated she does not want to re-marry, men are way too much work and having been a widow for nearly 20 years she likes her freedom.

I would love for her to have at least a companion who loves and cares for her.

But no matter what, God willing, she will always have me. We argue all right and some of her ideas are odd to me but still love her to bits;)

Karla 2845 pts

DidiO I think that's the key re: freedom. My mom loves her freedom. It's not that she doesn't miss my dad but she likes going out without being beholden to someone. She likes hanging with her other widow friends without having to call someone. She loves herself, obviously but I know she loves her beau. I guess living by herself has been very liberating.

DidiO 294 pts

KarlaDidiO

Absolutely and you know, there is a lot to be said for answering only to yours truly.

When I am alone at home I never cook (terrible i know lol) eat whatever I like- often peanut butter straight out of the jar, lounge around in sweats , watch any movie i feel like and decide whether or not to ignore the doorbell:)

It's totally liberating not having to consider anyone except you.

Men are lovely and fun but I can see the attraction in perhaps seperate residences even in a close and fulfilling relationship.

I totally get that.

DidiO 294 pts

Your Mum looks great for her age, even with all the stress she has been through!

I feel for her though, it's tough when your partner of many years dies, I know when my dad died my Mum was still young- only 41 or so. She married him at 18, he was 38 or 39 and it was a second marriage for him. He already had 5 kids from thE previous marriage.

My mum inherited 5 resentful, hostile stepkids and A crazy-ass bitter ex-wife. While she loved my dad, part of it was hero-worship. He was older, sophisticated, she barely out of school.

Now she is older she does talk about how he exploited her innocence at times but she is a tough cookie, after a few years of marriage she figured it out and he was kinda shocked that the docile little wifey was not taking his over-bearing ways. Oh well, I looked up to him and loved him. In his own manner he was ultimately a good father and provider.

cont..

Lili2009 1216 pts

Wishing great health for your mom in 2012 and way beyond! I get what she's saying. I know my 90+ year old grandma (God rest her) looked at my hubby like an E.T. or the rarest of birds. Social segregation, her experiences, and the stories she's heard about "them" added to her feelings, I guess. Truth be told, I was once flirted with by a man who looked maybe south Asian and I didn't respond in kind because I thought the same thing your mom thought, "what would we talk about?" Well, first I thought, "What IS this dude doing?!" A knee-jerk reaction from years of thinking no cute Asian guy with an accent could POSSIBLY understand me and my family. Well, if he was into "rainbeau" girls, I hope he found his!

Karla 2845 pts

Part 1

Your mom looks amazing; great genes, dear! My mom is my best friend as well as my mother. We didn't always get along, particularly in my teen years but things worked out and now we talk on the phone at least three times a day, thanks to Vonage. My dad died in May, 2003 of complications due to Agent Orange; his doctor put that on the death certificate, which allowed my mom to receive his military retirement in perpetuity. While not a rich widow, she is very well off. The house she lives in is a house my dad designed and built (he was an architectural engineer) and it is paid for so she has no mortgage. She tirelessly cared for my dad when his illness became critical (Agent Orange is a long-acting nerve gas as well as a defoliant; it randomly attacks nerves in the human body so one never knows what's coming next); he was a paraplegic for eight years. I think that's when we became really close because she used to talk about how angry she was that this should happen in their senior years when she had plans of traveling and kicking back together. They were married for 48 years and he was the only man she ever dated. Two years after he died, her friends took it upon themselves to start to set her up with age-appropriate BM. Lord, what a mess that was. She had nothing in common with these men except skin color. They were uneducated, uncultured, sloppy, smokers who couldn't even begin to compare to my dad. My mom got to the point that she would tell them she was now married to Jesus (in a word, a nun). My mom is gorgeous. She'll be 76 on her next birthday but looks like she's my age. She's very petite without an ounce of fat because her diet is very healthy and she walks about 5 to 7 miles a day, no matter the weather. She still shovels her own driveway when it snows!

Karla 2845 pts

Part 2

Because she usually walks the same route, she has what she calls "walking friends", people she meets everyday on the trail. One day, she met a WM who asked to walk with her. Little by little, they started opening up to each other and the next thing I know, she's gushing about him like a school girl. He's very tall (which my mom likes with her short self), well-educated (has a Ph.D in anthropology) and is a retired professor with his own money (inherited from his parents). They go on "dates" (my mom says it's not dating but it is), he comes to her house for dinner about four times a week... well, we all know the drill. They've now been together for about five years. He has told her he loves her and she, him but she says it's Christian love. Okay, Mom. She told me they talked about sex but she's not ready for that. I'm thrilled that she's found someone but sometimes, she's so skittish. She has a piece of land in Alabama upon which she wants to build a house. She has her house up for sale but, in this market, it's not selling. Basically, she's trying to run. Sigh. It's like dealing with a teen, sometimes. Her rainbeau is very handsome and is 9 years younger than she. My siblings and I are thrilled and we've met him. We think he's good for her but she has that widow's guilt and it's hard to break. Sorry for the length but it's cathartic for me to talk about it. It's tiring sometimes dealing with a senior in love but who's wracked with guilt over finding someone. She always thought she'd be alone and relished her martyrdom but now... who knows?

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

Karla awwwww...that's so sweet. LOL about the 'it's Christian love'. teehee. I hope she doesn't run away.

JoeWheeler-Films 9 pts

wow she does look like she is in her 50's in the pic! Im sure there are a lot of guys her age who would love to date her and spend time with her.

SurlySammy 138 pts

Inferior!!? She aint' got to feel that. What fo? Don't get it. And on the “Oh NO! I couldn’t do that. What would we talk about?” What da fudge!? The two for sparkling exhilarating titilating conversation common ground and gallivanting down memory lane can watch some Burt Lancaster in "Elmer Gantry" spouting all that bunco preaching bible jive (Damn Burt tore that role UP!), some great Spencer Tracey and Catherine Hepburn flics "Woman of the Year", "Adams Rib", "Desk Set" etc. There's always "The Honey Mooners" w/ big mouth Ralph getting wittingly put in place by Alice, all of which are great laughs of DVD of which I never get tired or watching. How about some Jack Benny and Bob Hope? What about some swinging good music of off swirling relaxing platters as they bill and coo in a mutuallly mellow mood of gentle & tender togetherness on the couch or slow dancing close on a dime inside or out on the sand of the beach between a campfire and a Pacific Oceanic Twilight while roasting marsh mellows and some freshly caught clams - Ella Fitzgerald, Doris Day, Cootie Williams, Peal Bailey, Billie Holiday, Billy Eckstein, Frank Sinatra, Burt Bacharach, Karen Carpenter, Denise Williams....What dey gonna talk about! Phooey!!!

Law Wanxi 3328 pts

SurlySammy It was probably an oversight, but you left out Johnny Hartman. Timeless.

How timeless? This song got me, uh, lucky a couple of times in Med School.

http://youtu.be/tywWrEmLI5M

To me, that's what music sounds like. Modern stuff is just noise.

Sophia 321 pts

You are odd but I really like the way you write.

Mocha Z 1795 pts

I pray for a full and speedy recovery. Losing hair is enough to contend with, good she doesn't have the nausea.

Wow...first off, I salute her for getting back out there.I think, I would be seeking hobbies, travel, spending my time with the grands etc. But, I also can see wanting to have someone to share experiences with.

Second, she is beautiful and reminds me of my bf's mother who I thought was a goddess, chocolate skin and gorgeous thick white hair smartly cut. Your mother recognizing her beauty and stepping out of her comfort zone may be just what she needs! Being youthful looking should be a bonus to finding a rainbeau, IMO. Use your advantages of chocolate skin and great genes!

Maybe someone who has a multicultural experience in their family would be a good fit for her. Say a silver rainbeau who has a son/daughter in a IRR?

The tough part is that many start staying closer to home or their children and grandchildren at this age.

Maybe exposure to what "everyone else is doing" like DeeDee said would help. Sometimes seeing is believing.

Jamila 2824 pts

"What to do when a black woman who’s got a decade of good years left, is lonely, but is willing to put up with a piece of old raggedy black man (up to a degree) and won’t entertain someone new because she feels so inferior?"

You just have to let then be. I've realized at this point that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink. I think that it often hurts us more than it hurts our loved ones when we see them forsaking the love and care that they could be enjoying if they would only open up their arms to accept it, but they have to live life on their own terms.

Jamila 2824 pts

"...for her that she refused (who knew there could be geriatric players?)"

I knew. Now that they are selling Viagra to old men, more and more old folks are continuing to be sexually active, and yes, contract STD's. And as you can see in that post about Grace Hightower and Rober Deniro, they want to keep having kids too, with the expectation that their older children will raise their younger brothers and sisters when the parents are too old. Old women have the same problem as young black women, too few men for too many women, so the old guys take full advantage of this.

We live in a Brave New World ladies and gentlemen.

Mocha Z 1795 pts

Jamila I saw an article on this. The STD thing was brought up with the silver crowd too.

EarthJeff 768 pts

Jamila Agreed. We do live in a brave new world and slowly we are changing it but it is a slow and painful process. So many of the narrow-minded do not understand. The middle group of folks between all of us that are willing to seek and find love beyond boundaries that were once taboo and the group of haters (and this middle group is clearly the majority) just havent given serious thought that these boundaries are dissolving. Humans are so programmed as to what is allowed and what is taboo at such an early age, that it is really uncomfortable to make those changes. Even to our psyche, which is where it has to happen first. We are also resistant to change. We just are. Finally, the older folks are, the more racial strife and tension they have had to live through. Racial tension and discrimination still exist today. I can not imagine how much worse it would have been for those that had to live through it when it was 10 times worse..

Toni_M 4842 pts

Jamila Oh yes. I know a woman who worked in a nursing home and there were always older women/men (with walkers even) trying to creep to and from the bedrooms of other residents. As the saying goes, they may be old, but they're not dead, and thanks to pills like Viagra, they can continue their sexual activities unabated.

Though, as STDs are definitely an issue, perhaps there should be more emphasis regarding protection. I wonder if some people naively assume they're "too old" for sexually transmitted infections and diseases?

Aabaakawad 483 pts moderator

They do assume that. Also, transmission is easier because of more delicate tissues and weaker immune systems. Toni_M Jamila

formavitae 328 pts

First, I'd like to say I'm sorry to hear of your mother's illness. I'm glad she isn't suffering some of the complications of treatment, and I hope all goes well for her in her battle. Your mother looks lovely in that photo. I'm assuming that's your father. They made a cute couple. It's an adorable family photo, all around.

I saddens me that your mother feels an inferiority complex due to her skin color. I can understand why. I am surprised to learn she still feels this way, because I find myself becoming more confident and self-accepting, with age. It would be wonderful, if she could overcome that.

I don't know what can be done for your mother, except for maybe encouragement and spending lots of time with her so she won't feel alone. My mother (now divorced from my father) also has no interest in dating white men. However, she has someone in her life who has been a true friend and support to her since her youth. He's a WONDERFUL person. Fortunately, my mother accepts my dating choices, and she wouldn't challenge my love for a white man (though I know she would prefer I marry a man "of color" first). When I was dating my ex (from India), she told me one day that God told her love doesn't see color. She also told me YEARS ago, that she never knew WHAT COLOR man I would bring home, since I received the majority of my education at predominantly white schools while growing up.

I am feeling very sad for your mother. Maybe, if you take her to a few social events with people her age group of different colors, she will mingle and find that she has more in common with nonblacks than she thinks. I wish the best. Sometimes, older people have a hard time accepting/pursuing new ideas.

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

Funny thing is, she has a very active social life, but as many black women, all her activities surround her church. Which is a very black one. formavitae

formavitae 328 pts

Christelyn

So, basically, your mom's idea of a "social life" is the same as my mother's. I can empathize with you, there. But, my mom has a VERY HIGH sense of self- worth. I wish your mom had it too. Sometimes, I think it's just ASSUMED that BW (esp. older ones) are self-confident. If I had seen this picture of your mom, without your sharing details, I would have assumed the same about her. Just be thankful that YOU are able to know and enjoy something better. And, because of your life example, your daughter will most likely pursue the best too. I wish something could be done for your mother. She should be enjoying life and herself, at this age. I don't think the "black church" will help much with finding a good man, but maybe it will keep her happy in other ways.

DeeDeeRussell 735 pts

Wow! Just keep on loving her and being you. Does she read this site?

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

She doesn't even own a computer. le sigh. DeeDeeRussell

DeeDeeRussell 735 pts

Christelyn Ohhh! Sending best wishes for a complete recovery. Have you though of reading her some of your stuff off of a laptop and letting her see the community here?

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

Thanks, Dee Dee. Maybe I'll let her look at this post and the subsequent comments, but I doubt it will do any good. Like Jamila said, she's too set in her ways at this point.

DeeDeeRussell

Mocha Z 1795 pts

Christelyn JamilaDeeDeeRussell Move her out here! We have older established churches. The one I go to has been here for 40+ years. I am sure there are a few silver rainbeaus there.

EarthJeff 768 pts

Christelyn JamilaDeeDeeRussell Having her read through this thread might be interesting for her. Or is she more likely to be upset that you threw "her business" out here?

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

Probably the latter so...shhhhh....BTW, big WELCOME to you, Jeff!

EarthJeffJamilaDeeDeeRussell

EarthJeff 768 pts

Christelyn JamilaDeeDeeRussell Thanks for the Welcome, Maam.....

Toni_M 4842 pts

Christelyn DeeDeeRussell I know how that goes. My grandma is highly suspicious of my laptop and doesn't understand "why you use that thing so much". But she's very fascinated by the camera and being able to communicate with people visually. Her reaction to my Skyping is beyond adorable.

I keep trying to think of ways to convince her that computers are nothing to be scared of since there's SO MUCH I know she'd like if she ever let herself use one.