Sunday Morning News Review: NPR on Interracial Marriage–Blacks Picked Last.

Sunday Morning News Review: NPR on Interracial Marriage–Blacks Picked Last.

Is it just me, or is there a groundswell of news surrounding America’s changing marital patterns? Nope. It’s not. It’s quite the hot topic of discussion, and that’s a good thing. According to a report by NPR, Americans are swirling more than ever before. But looks like whites of both genders are marrying Asians and [...]

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Is it just me, or is there a groundswell of news surrounding America’s changing marital patterns? Nope. It’s not. It’s quite the hot topic of discussion, and that’s a good thing. According to a report by NPR, Americans are swirling more than ever before. But looks like whites of both genders are marrying Asians and Hispanics, and blacks (both male and female) are the least likely to be in these unions.

Why, you ask?

This quote cuts right to the point:

“It reflects the status hierarchy,” says Roderick J. Harrison, a demographer at Howard University. “If you’re trying to marry up, clearly whites are it. If you’re trying to avoid marrying down, it would still look like blacks might be the least preferred.”

So there you have it. And I don’t need to reference a bunch of studies to see why, even after hundreds and hundreds of years, blacks are clumped into this dung heap of negative impressions. We are the oldest minorities to have settled in America–many of us came over with the first European settlers as slaves–but as a collective, we continue to stay low on the racial hierarchy.

You know why? Frankly, too many of us just don’t give a shit. Throughout history, marriage has been less about love and more about a contract between individual families who share mutual goals and values. What can we expect, when black people hardly get married to each other? Societal obstacles and constructs aside, the lack of value placed upon education (50% of black boys drop out of high school), the 73% out-of-wedlock rate, lack of decent role modeling, negative media perceptions and (c)rap culture has ruined our reputation as a collective.

As such, black women and black men are first perceived through a negative prism until they PROVE to be otherwise. Whereas, Asians commonly have a favorable stereotype as being high-achieving, hard working and goal and family oriented. Indians also fall into that category. Hispanics are a mixed bag, but still better off and higher up on the racial step ladder. This didn’t “just” happen. For the most part these people FIT their stereotype. So…

Our problem, in part, is that too many of us just don’t care that we are at the bottom, and are perfectly content to stay there. I remember posing this very question on Twitter, Madame Noire and on this blog about a question I posed to a prominent black female blogger:

Me: Don’t you know the world is laughing at our dysfunction? It’s not a secret if everybody knows.

Her: What do I care what a person, say, in France thinks of me?

Therein lies the problem. We (as a collective, not talking individuals) don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of what it means to be in a global village, when everyone from California to Outer Syberia can see the poop stains in our underwear. We’re still stuck on “American owes me for slavery!” that we have tightened our own nooses.

Now before the GAT-DL comes in force to dispute the obvious because it just feels better to blame everyone else, don’t even try it. There is only black dis-unity. I don’t care how we got here, but we have the power to get out.   Alas, I fear apathy and inertia  will keep our collective feet in the cement.

Here’s what I want you all to walk away with: This is NOT a black woman issue. This is a CULTURE issue. And to answer the question, “Why should I care what other folks think?” Because the actions of others may very well impede upon your own progress.

 

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kiki100 305 pts

I do understand why the woman said 'why should I care what others think of me?'. After all, no matter how high achieving some of us are, we are still seen as less than. I suppose if you are someone only seeking a certain type of person, it would matter what others think. But you cannot change the opinions of others.

Sunshnz 6 pts

I stumbled across your blog via L. Thomas of I Heart Black Girls...and I concur 100%. A friend and I were having this exact conversation several days ago. Too many of us think the world owes us something while the Asian/Indian population is moving in and up..Hispanics as well. We are missing the Boat and too often we have a clear hand in being left behind. We know there are extenuating circumstances and some legitimate arguments...but...BUT....when it is all said and done, we are "Still" on the bottom wrung regardless and as budgets get tighter, we are going to lose out. Most of the young black females I know (18-23) are choosing to have babies...with no ring in sight. I'm not stuck on marriage but at least a man whose initial intentions are to hang around during the formative years and hopefully beyond.. Nope, and they don't seem to care one iota. But, does the minor child want the experience of two parents...no one thought to consider that. There are some phenomenal black folk in this world..but we are outnumbered and it does sadden the heart on a number of levels. I've enjoyed reading your viewpoint....Thanks

"And to answer the question, 'Why should I care what other folks think?' Because the actions of others may very well impede upon your own progress."

THANK YOU for this! Your entire post is so true! As a black girl with a family (extended and nuclear) who acts respectably and comes from the Caribbean, I am especially bothered by all of these things.
My little sister argues that we should have nothing to do with African-Americans, because they don't concern us, but I wholeheartedly disagree. "Their" image is the image of ALL blacks in America, and often abroad as well. And besides, none of us (as groups) have spotless reputations.

I have heard, every now and then, stereotypes that West Indian and African immigrants are "better" than African-Americans, but these usually come from within the black community, and are hardly helpful. Whether you're an upstanding African-American or Caribbean-American, etc., or you perpetuate every stereotype in the book, you WILL be lumped in with the collective perception of blackness.

I always hate it when people say slavery is over, black people can vote, and white people aren't conspiring against us, so we have absolutely nothing to complain about and there is no longer a disadvantage to being black.

I have always known from firsthand experience that the real obstacle, whether you're African-American or West Indian, poor or wealthy, is overcoming stereotypes.

Hi Chris!

As always you consistently bring great essays and articles chock full of information that we need hear for continued empowerment and improvement. 2 days ago I was having similar conversation with a bw at work and she gave me a look that said "What kind of black woman are you?" Her mindset was still stuck on saving alla our people mode. Lets just say I left her scratching head.

Hello to all the black women here, look on the bright side.

At least this proves that black men aren't all that that they make themselves up to be. LOL

When a black women finds a non-black man to marry and settle down, it usually lasts for life.

The same can't be said for the majority of black men and white women(not all).
I've just seen too many single white moms with brown babies in baby strollers and I really feel sorry for them!

Good luck ladies!

I think many white men like myself love black women..Its just that we are only beginning to be comfortable with talking about it.I live in england and i can tell you marriage between bw/wm is growing fast.Mostly it is women from mainland africa..I'm very optimistic bw/wm marriage will continue to rise.It is the most succesful and enduring of all cross-ethnic relationships.

anglowelsh I so agree with you.

BW do you know this old saying "mama knows your troubles"? Well your "Heavenly Father knows your troubles" :))

WM have being in interracial relationships with nonBW for years. In other words, these relationships have had time to florish. BM/WW relationship have just now become exceptable by the US society. Now you have BW/WM relationships on the rise so very new and people still getting use to these relationships. Never thought this would happen in the US. In the past oriental/hispanic women were not that common. But this changed over time. As I stated, these relationships have had a longer history and of course the rates are higher. Even higher than BM/WW just in case someone want to compare BW/WM relationships to WM/nonBW relationships, in oder to discourage BW. BW/WM are just the last group to come together. Because our world is changing in some ways for the good. In the future like in many places in Europe BW/WM couples will increase even more. So BW do not be discouraged and feel like you are not desirable. Remember when it was taboo for even a BM to be with a WW. Now they show these relationships onTV,magazines,public,movies etc. And that is a good change.

Lawd, I go away for a day and things get crazy!

Also LOL @ Law Wanxi. When you're right, you're right.

Law was right about half way through the day yesterday, that was pretty much a given LOL.

Over 200! Or, as they say in India and the Microsoft campus in Redmond, bowled a double-century!

So many people that seem consumed with making a sister feel small, and keeping black women "in their place".

It's funny, sad and maddening all at the same time.

This is the part where bw should ask the question "Qui Bono?" - Who Benefits? (thanks Khadijah). Why would the dear hosts on NPR care about this issue? Someone has noted the current trends and apparently do not like what they see. Hence, this show. The good news is that more people are growing deaf to this everyday. Everyday bw need only put her best foot forward and develop habits and activities that make her a rounded and interesting person. Karla's husband broke it down to the basics. Man is attracted to woman, and seeks woman out. Man is attracted to her physically and mentally and decides that he cannot live without her. The end.

I agree with that 100%. Unless bw want to invest fully in an anti-defamation group in significant numbers, the mainstream media will continue to have a field day and profit off of our image--in collusion with the majority of influential bm (silence is endorsing). At this point most bw are so black male identified they refuse to identify (the majority of) bm as part of the problem; and the willpower to take decisive action against all perputrators.

Just about everyone, but bw, profit off of our current image in the media. There is very little the individual bw can do except strive to be different.

Yes Lynn strive. BW need to trust in Jesus. Keep doing the great things you are doing. Believe me, Jesus will fix it. If we only trust and obey. Remember there is nothing new under the sun. God is still in control. Stay strong and optimistic.
The media (one of satans tools)in todays society,can be harmful to your very being and of course your health :)

Yeee Haaaaa. It got hot up in here. OK lets say we all cool out and knock back a few brews.

Eugenia, what is local in your area. Philly being a major beer town I bet I can find it. Hubby and I will raise a toast to ya for surviving that cat fight. lol

You know I live in Seattle, one of the brew capitals of the world.

And yea I'll toast right back b/c some folks have been told wrong LOL..

Brenda55, I want to get in touch with you off the boards. Are you on FB?

Hopefully Tara has been banned for her ugly post about Eugenia. Perhaps some uplifting/positive posts would be nice since controversial posts bring out the crazy (and racist) folks.

As to the NPR item, I agree with the poster who pointed out that Black Americans don't really marry out (I believe only 4% of BW marry out and only 9% of BM), so NPR could have looked at this issue from the Black point of view.

If Tara gets banned, why shouldn't Eugenia? Eugenia always seems to be in cat fights on this site. I usually skip over her posts for this very reason. Even though I dont like RR, I have to agree with what he said about CERTAIN bw fighting on this site. Evia, Sara, and sure as Heck Khadija would NEVER allow that bs,lol.

First of all Jess1, I'll introduce myself my name is Eugenia and I'm a sarcastic smart aleck and proud of it. I don't entertain stupid nor do I just let it slide, you can do whatever you want. I'll let you know you don't have to read my post, it's lots of folks on here whose post I don't read. But I'll dang if I let someone like Tara or even you for that matter act as if started something in here. Her posts way back were insulting and the same post so yea I questioned her mental health. I'm not caring what other blogs do, I've been Chris's blog now for 2 years and supporting in what she does. Where were you? I'd maybe do some research before you come at me.

.."yea I questioned her mental health."
"I don’t entertain stupid..."

Eugenia, this^^^ is what I was referring to. Why call someone stupid or question their mental health? There is always a better way to get a point across. You actually make yourself look like everything you call the other person when you name call.

I don't think I make myself look like anything, that is YOUR opinion, fine think it. I'm not concerned but I don't curse ppl out, I don't sneak on here to insult ppl, I've never called anyone fat and if I insult you, you deserve it. That's just me, if you don't like too bad. I'm not changing and if Chris asked to do something different, I would. I wouldn't disrespect her but other ppl do including Tara. And again I question her mental health, b/c yes it's not smart to keep writing to the same thing, over and over and over again in all caps. This is one part of one comment I've made, you can't make a case against me with that. I could pick apart a ton of folks comments on here, but I'm not nitpicky. We're different ppl, we speak and express ourselves different. There are ppl on here who's writing rubs me the wrong way but I'm not their mother and as long as they don't go completely off I don't waste my time being bothered. You don't like how I write, you don't get me, sorry that's not my issue. I'm not planning on changing anytime soon just so you will feel comfortable. That's not my job.

Patricia Kayden nice to have the support but it's not bothering me in the scheme of things.

Calling someone "chubby" or "mammy" is not a cool thing I agree.

The insults came from the other party first when none of my comments were even referring to her. However because I mention "chubby" I am the one who is wrong. Respect is a two way street. If someone expects respect, they should also give it.

You know you really need to stop and maybe go back and look at what you've written on this post thread. The insults started with you, from the very first post after RR's then you proceeded to call Phillygirl an idiot then Tory, who's married to one of the best and most intelligent and giving bw on this blog, a racist, so yea from all your ranting capital letter posts I suggested maybe you were off your meds. And you didn't call me 'chubby' now you're being disingenuous you called me a 'fat black a$$' if you're going to say it, own it. You haven't respected anyone on this blog in one of the posts you've done today besides Dennis, who's been banned, now all of sudden you want respect. Give me a break.

Really? OMG...how about this week? I'm thisclose. Trigger ready.

From what I see on Twitter, you are not the only BWE/BWIR blog with this issue this week. Something is in the water.

Yeah, the water or air or maybe finding out the MLK memorial was made in China. Did THAT really need to be outsourced?

Whatever it was, it's affecting many of us. I, for example, did a whole big rant on the Japanese Internment, including a slam at Seattle. I've been to Seattle to see friends and med school classmates. It's an OK place, just a little too "guys in grey ponytails" PC. I've had a couple of tours of the International District [Old Chinatown/Little Saigon, which I'm surprised they're not forced to call Little Ho Chi Minh City] then back to my friends' places in New Chinatown - UHH, I mean Bellevue.

I know you live there and my condolences for the weather, LOL.

Grrrr. Meant to be a reply to Eugenia above. Sorry.

Oh actually I love the weather I'm originally from Houston so I like how it actually changes. Seattle is not perfect, no place is and like I say I'm from Houston born and raised and I could go crazy about it's history and Texas's history in the slave trade but you know, it is what it is. And I'm a historian, history degree from University of Washington. And 'New Chinatown' Bellevue LOL. I'm not a big fan of Bellevue and actually I live north of the city, Snoho county/Mountlake Terrace (what a long name for such a little city). The folks that oughtta be mad are Native Americans but they're taking everybody's money at the casino LOLOLOL.

"they’re taking everybody’s money at the casino"

Yeah, I know. They advertise on the local Chinese channel, AATTV. I've been to the Tulalip {sp?} casino with my friends. Kind of crazy since I don't gamble, but I sure do love those casino buffets! More shrimp, bring more shrimp!!!

Love the big killer whale, too!

What's not to love about Bellevue? Neiman-Marcus and a fresh boatload [I know, bad pun] of Chinese girls going "Wah!" and "Lahr!" at everthing, driving around in 3-series Beamers their dad bought them.

"More shrimp, bring more shrimp!!!"

LOL. :-)

Here's an assignment to all the dudes that simply CAN NOT wrap their heads around non-black men finding black women attractive and taking the extended steps of dating, marrying and procreating with them, go ask the dudes I feature here week, after week, after week, after week...

Christelyn, can you start a separate thread for your challenge?

This one has become ... well ... kinda silly.

For instance, none of know anything of one another's personal looks, so comments of 'mammy' and 'fat' have no relevance except personal insult.

What challenge?

Girl get some help, I’m no one’s mammy. I’m someone’s wife and just b/c you have no man and with your mental issues will probably never have one, black or white is not my problem. Nothing in my post was blanket statement defending wm or do you have issues with reading comprehension too.

Okay because your chubby black ass got some chubby white dude to marry her I dont have a man. I turn down white men who look like your husband all the time. And men that I date would not date you cause you are too big.

End of conversation.

Black women! I swear! Isn't this supposed to be a place were black women support each other?

I don't need mentally insane ppl's support. That's support no one needs b/c it's obvious she hates bw as much you do.

Why don't you mosey back on over to Stormfront and "support" your brethen.

To Dennis:

Why are u here? Why are'nt you preaching to the BM marrying/dating non-bw ... please go away ... you are not welcome here

LOLOLOLOL!!! Is that it? Is that all you got to call me fat, the elementary school insult. OMG my 5 year olds could flip me better ish than that. You are pathetic. The fact is my fat a$$ is married to a wonderful man that supports me and takes care of me. You don't turn down no men, b/c no men talk to you. If you were all that, you'd have a man but the fact is no man like mine or any other man in your dreams talks to you. Dating...puhleeze like that's supposed to be impressive. Gone grab that half pint of Ben & Jerry's and go cry in a corner. I always love when women say how hot they are but there's nothing to be seen to prove that, well sure your hot in your dreams, mmm hmm.

You throw childish insults at folks you don't agree with all of the time. Your rarely debate the subject intelligently.

He/she/it whatever you are you troll. I've been on here for almost 2 years commenting and believe me I contribute more than you do trolling but I'll dang if I let someone like her or you, who's here to just derail insult me. Everybody must be dreaming. I'll let you know, I'm a sarcastic smart alek, you don't like it, can't handle it best to not post anything to me. Because if you want to go there, we'll go.

Oh please. You commonly address folks who have not addressed you. You cowardly hide behind the protection of Chris. You contribute little of substance other than serving as an internet bully under Chris's protection. On an unbiased forum, you would be run off.

@Tara

You are so out of order ... your comments/tone/language is just so unnecessary ... really ...c'mon ... I usually enjoy reading this blog and enjoy the discussion even when we don't agree ... but when it becomes comments like yours ... it reminds me why I stop reading Madame Noir ...

This exchange is why I'm leery from participating a lot in so called "BWE" groups. There are only a certain select few blogs I comment on--blogs that tend to strict moderation. I find it so disheartening that a group of 'enlightened' sisters fall into society's stereotypical insulting and putdowns of a woman based on her marital status and 'attractiveness' according to society's standards.

The bw on this blog state they want to dismantle society's perceptions of us, yet they help to perpetuate them further. Demeaning other bw based on how many men pursue them (i.e. attractiveness) or marital status helps to perpetuate society's perceptions of women in general, and bw on this blog in particular.

I'm a bw who is 36, size 8, three college degrees, own investment property, started my own business, and am currently dating a wonderful wm. I have been proposed to more than once, but since my goal is a wonderful marriage to an awesome guy, I declined. I'm not just holding out for marriage, but for a wonderful marriage. I'm happy so many bw on this blog have found great partners to be married to; and the women that are married are ispiration for me. However, it is so crass and unproductive to resort to using marital status and the inevitable standby of 'attractiveness' as a form of one-upmanship on one another--particularly on a blog that is dedicated to promoting all bw as valuable and desirable members to the global community.

@Tara, I have never seen your comments on this blog before this post; and I want to say, personally, you are not moving the discussion forward. Eugenia in the past has provided very useful, uplifting, and encouraging comments on other topics. Personally, I think you should be banned for inciting such a trifling incident. It's also sad to see Eugenia respond to you, but she was provoked.

I hate wading through stupid flame wars for the few genuine comments that help to enlighten me.