The Secret Sex Lives of Teenagers: Of Hidden Pearls and the Smell of Sweet Roses

The Secret Sex Lives of Teenagers: Of Hidden Pearls and the Smell of Sweet Roses

As women of color, we must ask ourselves, why does society fear budding sexuality? Sexual development goes hand in hand with walking upright, learning to make decisions and other milestones we prepare young people for, yet we ignore this.

Author : Tracy Renee Jones

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It may sound great to hold fast to the innocent presumption that young people don’t ‘do it’, but indeed, they do many things when it comes to sex. I was all of the age of 15 while my ‘science partner’ was 14 years old when we decided to experiment with oral sex.

Yes, we were in my home.

Yes, there were adults roaming around the house.

Nope, my bedroom door was wide open.

Nope, he and I both survived and are here to contribute to articles about our secret missions from days or yore.

Does this mean that every teenager will do as I’ve done?

Not at all, there is a large rainbow of interests and sexual activities that young people will participate in, there is no lock or key to restrict them from exploring whether you think them ready or not.

So get over trying to be the sexual hallway monitor.

This is life, and as they say, sex happens!

Culture and law have always chiseled the constricted foundation of what is deemed appropriate and inappropriate behavior for young women when it comes to sex.

Strangely enough, these young women’s counterparts, the young men, are left conveniently and disturbingly, out of the conversation.

I touched on the subject of Raising a Sexually Aware Young Person in the previous issue of Corset Magazine. In my article, I discussed all of the ways in which I went out of my way to ensure that my daughter had a more knowledgeable and loving relationship with her sexuality and future private life than I and others of my generation were allotted.

I bestowed upon her the fragile existence of a black woman set free to live comfortably in her own body.

With information, with hugs, with love, with laughter, and with bashfulness on both of our behalves; I gave her the gift of secret pearls and ways in which she may know the many joys of the smell of sweet roses at the time and place of her choosing.

She and many of her friends, both male and female, teenagers, and as of lately adults, have requested an audience with me regarding a strange angry bump, a complicated situation, the immediate need for a better solution or general information regarding the human body’s reproductive capacity.

Not knowing what would come out of the person’s mouth next, I never cast a shameful eye, nor admonished the person’s predicament regardless of what they said.

A wagging finger was applied early on and it did nothing to avoid finding themselves faced with a personal and intimate challenge. No need to wag a finger and shame a person further.

I gave hugs and information, phone numbers, a shoulder to cry on and a sobering conversation.

What little I was able to offer is nonetheless valuable, I know information is the gift that keeps on giving, contrary to how much we embrace ignorance in some Black communities.

As women of color, we must ask ourselves, why does society fear budding sexuality? Sexual development goes hand in hand with walking upright, learning to make decisions and other milestones we prepare young people for, yet we ignore this.

Aside from the general realization that we are taught to remain ignorant by religion and conservative social views. Have you ever asked yourself what is to be gained by other’s when women are purposely raised to be ignorant.

Follow the bouncing ball………….I say.

What is to be gained by policing the activities of individual women when we see the end result of such ignorance to be sexual abuse, teen pregnancy, child molestation and a damaged legacy in which we eagerly reap upon the next ignorant generation of young people?

You can’t have it both ways.

Society prepares young women to be victims and then discards her for being taken advantage of by the opposite sex who is left out of the conversation of what is and is not appropriate.

Was this the intention all along?

It begs the question, indeed.

At what point do we cease to disagree and instead try something new?

How do you lend your voice of reason and knowledge to young people?

What are some ways in which we, as adult women of color with a few worldly experiences to share, able to assist with the growth of a sexually aware young person?

Each one, teach one…and I”m more than happy to answer questions or draw diagrams (or make finger puppets..if that’s your thing!) about anything and everything involving sex, love and relationships.

I don’t tolerate trolls, bullies, religious zealots that have wandered out the doors of church, or those that will support the censoring of curiosity in favor of more babies, confusion and misery.

I support and will always promote an open dialogue with young people.

I don’t condone ignorance or sexually bullying and some may not know enough to give out advice, but let’s just say…

I’ve done a lot of field research.

Viva la sexual….

 

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thecrazyartist 2255 pts

I grew up in small town-americaand this hits a note with me. My highschool had abstinence-only sex ed, and sex ed was not taught until 9th or 10th grade. By the time 10th grade rolled around 50% of the class(or more) had already had sex. The solution to this? Just stop and wait some more. There was no info on std's except "they are bad" and pregnancy due to lack of birth control was not a topic. It would be great if all kids could wait until 18, or even 21, but that is not going to happen. I remember it was common to hve two boyfriends or girlfriends in highschool, one you bought home to your parents, and one that you actually spent time with. I decided to partake in this practice, when I was 16 I was "dating"(it was more or less harmless flirting) a guy I knew my dad would be head over hills for(straight A's, christian, airforce academy hopeful etc.), I have always had a penchant for older men, so while he was not around my hanging out/chilling partner(no sex was involved but there was a lot of making out) was a 21 year old journeyman carpenter who smoked weed, was an athiest, rode a motorcycle and was just in general a slacker(brilliant, but never applied himself he could have easily been an engineer or master carpenter). The plot also thickens, my 16 year old "coverup" didn't care about my much less than desireable rainbeau, because he was gay and seeing another guy on the side. After about 9 months I parted with my psuedo boyfriend(I didn't actually start dating until recently) to focus on other things and because the excitement had worn off(yeah, I was one of those people). I graduated three years ago so I doubt much has changed. The good thing is now both myself and former cover-up/friend now can truly be ourselves. I have also become much more competent at vetting, although my penchant for older men on motorcycles is still present(I can now see other things). The moral of this story is that teens are masters at hiding things from their parents. My parents believed(and still believe) that I was totally innocent. One of my fathers friends had a daughter that actually was impregnated by a teacher(who cheated on his wife, the student was 18 though so nothing happened), and my parents still thought that I would never do anything like that. This was all in small town america. Kids these days may give you their facebook, and you may have their phone number, but they can always get another social networking page, and a tracfone for "important call". My parents were not open about sex or talking about it. They tried to drill it into my head that I need to vet men, but lets be quite honest at 16 my brain was wired for "cool" and "exciting", so it went through one ear and out the other(oddly enough at 21 I am not a party animal, infact I can't stand parties). Parents need to be open with their kids, and teens should not be afraid to talk about sex with their parents. I could have avoided the less than desireable psuedo-boyfriend but encountering him taught me a valuable lesson, and I would have never learned that. As for the chilling partner, he knocked up another girl and apparently is still fighting over custody and child support, so abstaining from having sex with him did help(did I dodge a bullet or what?)

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Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 Kia My mother told me the same thing. If I have sex or want to with that special person before I'm 18 I feel that she is entitled to at least know about it. After 18 not so much. 

iHeartLove 804 pts

Knowledge about sex won't keep a teenager from having sex anymore than it will encourage a teenager to have sex, but it will help them to make safe choices if and when they choose to have sex. 

 

Sexual curiosity isn't quelled by facts, it's quelled by sex. Still facts make all the difference. 

iHeartLove 804 pts

 I encourage teenagers to choose abstinence until they are a little bit older, out of high school at least. Abstinence is the best and safest way for a teenager to get to adulthood (18 at least) without a baby or an STD. 

 

Some may say it's boring or ineffective because it's hard to do and therefore dismiss it, but it's the best advice I have to give. I keep it simple with no B.S.  because part of growing up is developing your judgement and learning that life is a series of choices...including the choice to be abstinent or sexually active. And of course the consequences, good or bad or in-between, of those choices. 

 

I encourage abstinence but also knowledge for teenagers. I'm all for sexually aware young people, put it all out there on the table over and over, and over again. There is a huge difference between knowing something and understanding something. Knowing what sex is and does vs understanding what sex is and does is crucial to figuring out if your teenager gets it. A teenager can know a lot about sex, all the science etc. and still NOT get it. 'It' being "you are not the exception," because every teenager, no matter how much they know, believes it will never happen to them.  Whether it's in regards to pregnancy, STD's, sexual abuse, date rape... "Nope, No way, not gonna happen to me," that is all they think.

 

As for the finger wagging...well, it happens. Sometimes it's a form of reactionary panic when you are scared for your child. It's also how you slowly become your parents and realize you are saying the same things your mother use to say. Horrifying. But I think that it is exceedingly difficult for most parents to recognize their child as a sexual being or do anything that comes off as giving consent to their teenager to have sex. It is a deeply internalized feeling and reaction that is not without reason, although not always helpful. This feeling/reaction of denial or hesitance shouldn't be dismissed because it is a big issue for many parents and why I think  the approach to getting parents to talk to there kids about sex needs to be different. We can't pull a "do what I say, not what I do," and finger-wag at parents not to finger-wag at their kids, if that makes sense. 

 

I'm not sure what the answer is, but what I think would help parents is teaching them how to talk to their child/teenager about sex and sexuality and how to reconcile that with how they think of their teenager as still a child. Maybe even having joint parent/teenager sex-sexuality classes.

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LionMama 293 pts

 Kia Well It seems to work better than whatever y'all be preaching and seems to have been preaching since the 80s. Most don't get pregnant or have sex if the got caring parents until they are married.  And when did I say that no one should inform them of sex?

 

Well, our ignorant ways seems to be work.

 

It depend on what kind of class lady you want to be wife or a cum depository. It starts early.

diamondgal 431 pts

 LionMama  Kia Alright, LionMama!  Not much more to add to that!

Karla 18246 pts

My mom was very open about the sex talk but I was not open to hearing it.  I guess I was a weird kid.  I was never curious about where babies came from, didn't care, didn't want to know.  I never got "the stork" or "the cabbage patch" or anything like that.  It was just a void and I was fine with that.  When I was nine, the DoD elementary school I attended decided to be preemptive and talk to us about it.  My mom was all for it and signed the permission slip.  It was traumatic, to say the least.  Sperm?  Egg?  Blood? Penis in vagina?  Oh, hell to the no!  And, funnily enough, my classmates were also poleaxed.  When the school nurse asked us what we thought, we all shuddered and said "Ewww!"  When I got home, my mom sat me down, asked me what I wanted to know and I just looked at her like she was Torquemada for putting me through such torture.  Then she thought she'd sweeten the pot by giving me a Kotex kit for when I started my period.  WTF?  That was just icing on a very traumatic cake!  Even going through puberty didn't have my hormones raging.  I was so introverted, that trumped any estrogen that may have wanted to boil and come to the surface.  Oh, yes, I liked boys in secret but was way too shy to ever approach them, let alone think about having sex with them.  What is interesting is that I was a child of the 60s; this happened in 1968 when free love abounded.  Nah, this girl wasn't having that.  I was a very late bloomer because I just couldn't see the point.  My mom was so concerned and it's not that she was pushing me to have sex but I guess she was wondering why I was so indifferent to it.  We laugh about it now.

desio988 28 pts

I grew up in a Christian home, but my mom has always been open with me about alot of things. She became a Christian only a year before I arrived lol, and was pretty "crazy"(as she says) before she knew Jesus. I think her upbringing(she didn't grow up in a religious family at all and my granny was a teen mom) colored how she dealt with me. Because it's funny, I never remember her actually saying "You should/have to wait until marriage", she kept watch over my environment(as far as overly sexual images, i had a pretty long leash in my teen years b/c of trust) and I came to the conclusion that the best and safest option was to wait until marriage. But she was a reader, so when I had questions about sex, she pointed me to her bookshelf with a wealth of knowledge haha. two shelves full of books on sex, sex technique, christian and secular opinion, even a book that decoded Song of Solomon(King Solomon's romance/sex game is ON POINT LOL). I remember reading those books for hours on end at 13/14 years old. I seriously feel like I know more than any virgin should know about all kinds of sex play. haha. My husband won't believe I waited for him, I know too much about what he'd like. 

 

I think i'll take the same approach with my kid. Except I would say explicitly that they should wait until marriage, and I'll explain why. However I would keep the lines of communication open so that they are never afraid to talk to me about it. Because what if they choose to ignore me, and they want what they want, I would be warning them the whole way, but I'd also be the one to take them to the doctor to get birth control, I'd teach them how to use a male/female condom, I'd teach them everything short of sexual technique (sorry, but my concern is safety and making sure you don't make your life difficult at a young age whilst 'doing what you want'....I don't care about whether or not you ride the D good). To some, that may seem like I'm encouraging the premarital sexual activity that I don't agree with, but in my eyes, if you are set on ignoring me/God/etc...at the very least you won't be dangerously ignorant to the point of having a child, or getting an incurable STD. You'll be stepping into the fire with eyes wide open and no illusions. They'd be like me if I were to chose to have premarital sex at this point in my life, fully knowledgable of all risks, possibilities, and consequences. 

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

You can say what you want but I loved boys EARLY, would chase a male down like a panther running down a deer.

With my teef, I snatch um wif my teef........Don't hate, my mother got ten chirrens...

aceontopofkings 417 pts

The EARLIER you teach your children the better I think. I can remember being about 4 years old and saying "I'm pregnant" with some stuffed animal around my stomach. My twin sister and I thought it was hilarious while we were playing house. My other who was in the kitchen cooking, stopped EVERYTHING and gave us both the REAL sex talk. Not birds and the bees, but eggs and sperm (she even told us it was white lol). She was a teen Mom,  so was my Grandmother and her Mother before that. My Mom was not going to have us be ignorant about sex.

 

My Family is very open and honest. Yes I knew before I went to kindergarten what a penis looked like and that the human body is beautiful and isn't something one should be shy or shocked when discussing or seeing it. But she also told us in the conversation how our body's are sacred and she thought us about NWNW (lol before it became popular thanks to Chris here), that we should be in love and married to a person before we even think about children. It was a memorable lesson that my twin sister and I both learned a lot and joke about to this day.

 

We were both late bloomers when it came to having sex so the early education was great. But when I felt it was time to have sex I let my Mom know and she did help me get on birth control. I wouldn't have had it any other way....I LOVE MY MOM, she's SUPER AWESOME! :*)

aceontopofkings 417 pts

Corrention: My Mother who was in the kitchen cooking***

SirLoinDeBeef 2528 pts

It's not just girls/women.

Back in the day (1960s, ultra-conservative San Diego, CA ... despite being a Navy town), I had to steal a book from a technical/medical book store to figure things out.

My schoolmates, on the other hand, went south-o-the-border, to Tiajuana, Mexico, getting a host of STDs along the way.

At home, barely mentioning sex (or love, affection or really anything related to male-female pairing) would bring on my Dad's instant, overwhelming rage, plus Mom, taking to her bed with a day-long crying jag.

It was an effective way to shut me up.

After all, GUYS were 'just supposed to KNOW ... almost genetic, ya see.

Did I eventually solve the problem?

Further, deponent sayeth nought!

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef Shop lifting AND sex...see what I mean? You were going down the path of never-ever-ness just be/c you HAD to know about sex. It's easy to joke now, but between having children dam near the same age as you or a disease that you can't get rid of 'experimenting' with guilt is a dangerous mix these days. Its obvious and disappointing when a woman finds a man that didn't learn some things along the way. Something like teaching an old dog new tricks when he thought his old tricks were just as nifty! 

Brenda55 19725 pts moderator

Below is a lost of age of consent for each State in the US. 

 

http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html

 

 For most States it is 18 with much lower ages allowed with parental consent. If the kids can get hitched between the ages of 13 to 18 they can and do have sex at that age. Best that they learn what to do and get good information. 

 

When it comes to sex ignorance does not equal innocence with innocence being just as useless as ignorance when it comes to protecting your self and enjoying your self. 

Brenda55 19725 pts moderator

Love the title of this thread Tracy.  Clev...va. 

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 Brenda55 You see what I did right thur..?! :) 

MixedUpInVegas 1654 pts

I agree wholeheartedly with Tracy that regardless of what anyone thinks, young people will experiment with sex.  It seems natural to me that they, on the cusp of adulthood, would discover themselves to be sexual beings.  Sex should be a natural and desirable part of the lives of responsible adults.  Since there is really very little that we can do about it, short of sending our teenagers to a convent or monastery, the next best thing is to prepare them for that part of their lives.

 

It is our duty as parents to help our children understand their sexuality, appreciate it, respect it and control it.  We do them no service by keeping them ignorant of their own bodies and the role that healthy sexual expression plays in their lives.  I'm a parent of a long since grown daughter so I know how difficult it can be to raise issues of sexual function and behavior and answer questions straightforwardly without fainting dead away.  But consider the alternative--having your child get their information and guidance from the streets, or worse, their equally-ignorant friends or someone with a less-than-honorable agenda.  If you want them to behave honorably and sensibly about sex, you have to teach them what they need to know in order to do so.

 

Few things about parenting are cheap, fun or easy.  Sex education and the teaching of moral behavior are hard to do.  You have to live what you teach and speak openly and without judgment when these issues arise.  Difficult or not, it is an important duty, and one we absolutely must undertake or our children will suffer the consequences of our omission.

 

Thank you, Tracy, for stating what should be obvious.

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 MixedUpInVegas I have always been a reader and an avid Family Planning pamphlet collector. The nonsense I heard THEN is comparative to the nonsense I hear now. Am I saying to throw condoms at your child? No (though I do....I'm no one's grandmother...) but I am saying that I know girls who were pregnant and not realizing they were pregnant b/c they had no idea of the mechanics of sex. I know HIV people who may not been where they are had they been able to discuss their 'secret' practices. The same way I had to teach her how to walk home alone and do other things that made my eye twitch, I'm here to raise a human, she'll need tools to survive and its my job to provide them. I make no apologies....AND strangely enough, she's conservative..... ;) 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

More than anything I feel that parents need to be straight-up with their kids. Don't tell them sex is wrong. Tell them unprotected sex outside of marriage (or commitment) is wrong. They need to talk to them about Stds and other sexual diseases. They need to be emotionally ready. 

 

Me personally, I don't have any plans on having sex with people at this time in my life. As much as I do read and research about it, it's not for me right now. I need their trust, commitment, and love from them more than anything. I've spoken to girls who didn't know how to say no to sexual advances! It all goes back to the parents. Me being independent minded and having great access to the internet I've learned somethings on my own and talked to my mom about it. The only thing my dad told me about sex was wait until at least 6 months to a year for sex. Neither of the conversations were awkward because they were straight up and real.

 

I used to be nervous about sex and paranoid but the more you know the more confident you are about it, and in my opinion the less you sleep around. I know I don't have to go out and sleep with every hot guy, but when I do it's gonna mean something. Not like those out of control teens on the maury show who think they know it all because they 'get high and pop pills.'

LovingMyself 295 pts

I really love your articles. They're very eye opening for a young woman such as myself . I'm in such a suffocating box when it comes to sex and my sexuality. It's sort of been drilled into me to "be good." Everytime I speak to a relative - it's basically "be a good girl." I'm nearly 22! And I held fast to that notion. How long must I be a so called "good girl?" I'm willingly, slowly, discovering my body and creeping bit by bit out of the box. 

 

Sex, in the culture of my family, is never discussed. Possibly the same as in the American culture...though I grew up straddling both.

 

I find the whole topic of sex and sexuality to be so fascinating and I'm inherently glad that it can be discussed in this forum - straight, no chaser. 

 

Maybe it's TMI, but the weird thing is I used to touch myselff all the time when I was younger! As I grew up, that's when I started to feel so ashamed and guilty about touching myself. -- and mentally beat myself up about it. As if it's wrong... 

 

Now I've made the conscious decision to work through it and break it down one by one. If I don't know, am not familiar with my body, know what I like and don't like, -- how can I expect to truly enjoy having sex with someone who knows the ins and outs of theirs while I'm left clueless and helpless about my own?!

 

**closing my eyes and 2 deep breaths**

 

Needed to get that out 

 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 LovingMyself I notice that too! Be a good girl means not liking sex. I find that to be a little sexist because it's like sex is only for the pleasure of men! I do good in school, I'm not on drugs, I don't hang with a bad crew, but me somehow being interested in sex makes me 'bad' *shrugs* people will be close minded it's America. I never felt bad ever for touching myself, my mom would ask and she would say "It's okay if you do, mommy understands" And then my cheeks would burn of embarrassment but I never felt bad about it. Parents really should be talking to their kids about this stuff, I have no idea why they don't, it's not like their giving them techniques or a sex toy! Just let them know it's okay and tell them to be safe and give tips about that. 

onmywayup 1805 pts

 LovingMyself I could have written this word for word.  Thank you for sharing.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

It would be nice to have parents be open and loving and not shameful about sex and sexuality. My mom was very open, sometimes to my everlasting embarrassment she gave me lots of information and we started at the age of ten. My mother never looks shocked when you ask a question, she said she did that b/c she wanted me to be free to ask questions so there would be no shame. I'm glad she did that, she gave good info and my brothers gave me all the nitty-gritty if you've got good brothers don't sleep on that wisdom they tell like it is and I learned some good info from them too about how men thought and what they'd think of you as a woman. I wish more parents would talk like that, my husband told me his dad told him absolutely nothing and what he did learn was from his older brother and friends. Not the best place to get info but he got some. I just wonder what we do w/ all the kids that get nothing from parents except shame regarding sex, it's the ignorant ones w/ the low self esteem that are ending up teenaged parents. Somebody has got to say something.

crazyde3 44 pts

I'm so with you there. Both my parents talked to my sister and I about sex. Middle school for my mom and High school for my dad ( the most embarrassing conversation with him ever) and I really appreciated it. Of course they were like save yourself for marriage. The first and only time that I had sex I was 24 and that was last year. Starting out so late helped me realize I had a choice in who I wanted to share my body with.

 

But it all started at home. Parents need to start talking to their children more and more. Not only the girls but the boys as well because we have a whole generation of boys who can't take it when a girl says no and who have absolutely no respect for women. To them its all about sexual gratification and damn the consequences.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

I think it's funny how teenagers think about sex and sexual things. Talking to them you can tell why the pregnancy rate is so high in america, why so many have stds and are getting hiv. The guy/girl who carries condoms around or has one in their wallets are 'loose' not 'responsible,' The girl/guy who talks about it is 'fast.' I know a teen boy that goes to church on the regular! But is still sleeping with girls with NO condom. You know what I say? Blame the parents, yep I said it, blame them. If their kid is pregnant got someone pregnant, has an std, has hiv, it's YOUR fault. You decided not to talk to your kids or punish them for their sexual urges. All they yell is abstinence! Nobody listens to that! But I say forget it. That's what they want. 

 

Don't talk to other adults about it your too young, but when you turn 18 everything is supposed to magically pop into your head. Your supposed to be in the know. Have you seen college campuses and how loose and slutty they are? That's from being told over and over buy parents sex is bad, church tells you that too. 

 

All I'm gonna is I'm not one of those brainwashed teenagers, that's why I left public school I got tired of hearing stupid crap about sex (AND being told who you supposed to be)all they say is don't do it. It's like a freaking chant over and over.

 

I'll tell you how it is now. ALL teenagers are either experimenting with themselves or with other teens. That's a FACT. 

 

EarthJeff 3347 pts

 Pearl Rose "You decided not to talk to your kids or punish them for their sexual urges. All they yell is abstinence! Nobody listens to that! But I say forget it. That's what they want. "  

I remember experiencing both ends of the spectrum at 17.  My parents were very open and preached smart choices and safety and I appreciated that.  My girlfriends mom preached "abstinence or else."   Was her message or solution effective?  Of course not.  I still remember her catching us having safe sex.  She put us in separate rooms and beat the hell out of us one after another (didnt sit comfortably again for 3 days).  And the method's effectiveness lasted about 2 weeks.

I much prefer that the message we give teenagers is that 1. Sexuality is NOT something that is dirty or shameful and 2. Make SMART choices in whatever you do decide to do regarding sex.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 EarthJeff Oh my goodness that sucks. The similar thing happened to my sister but it wasn't safe and my mom didn't know he was their so tome it was justified. My mother never spoke to us about abstinence to her it was a crock of BS. I was never big on it but she spoke on controlling sexual urges instead of blocking them out completely and thinking of consequences good or bad. I think more than anything safe sex is the RULE no matter who you sleep with that's the first one. Some girls do sleep around, I'm not really liking that, but who the hell am I to tell them? All I can do is buy them a box of condoms on their birthday. 

LionMama 293 pts

Frankly I just rather send my daughter and boys away to one gender boarding school than have them experimenting. Sex is not for teenagers in my opinion even though they will need sex education.

 

I did fine without it and I got married, while most of the girls I grew up with who was lets say easy on the foot, is single and probably will remain so. For all the sex they have were ever however they don't seems to happy with that life style because in the end they up being single again.

 

But again I'm a tard conservative.

crazyde3 44 pts

 LionMama I don't think that teenagers should be having sex either. A lot of them are just not emotionally ready. I do plan on teaching my children early on though. I mean sex is even in cartoons like spongebob even the children may no get it. I say teach and reach them before society tries to get at them.

 

diamondgal 431 pts

 LionMama I agree!  There are some things that teens can't handle. Sex being one of them.  I'm so glad that I waited, because I developed other talents and sex came later.

Bunny77 2054 pts

 diamondgal  LionMama Yeah, I feel like this too. Now I'm not one who's going to push waiting until marriage with my kids and YES, DH and I plan to be the people to give them the sex talk, straight, no chaser (and make it easy for them to come to us with questions)... but there is a time when I think that folks are too young to be having sex, and early teens is that time. While I hope they'd wait until they're out of high school, I guess I can deal with late in the teen years... but 14? Nuh uh.

 

It's normal to be thinking about sex at certain ages (yes, I was thinking about it as a tween and teen, but neva eva eva planned to act on it), but another thing to actually act on it. When a person is overly precocious about sex and involved sexually, usually something ain't right in the home. Young people are more likely to delay sex if they have active parental involvement, have activities and other emotional outlets to focus on AND are kept out of sexually charged environments. I hate to say it, but most of the people I knew who had sex early (the women, at least) were in home environments where older guys constantly were around (friends of the brother or cousin or other male relatives) and no one was supervising them when they were around the tween and teen girls.

 

So yeah, obviously I don't know what will happen until I get to the point where this is an issue, but I aim to approach this from the point of encouraging my children to have a healthy view of sex and their sexuality, but not think that just because they might WANT to do it at that time, that it's just perfectly fine and acceptable for them to indulge either.

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 Bunny77  diamondgal  LionMama Children are having sex in middle school, and its hard to know WHERE they get their information from (someone mentioned SpongeBob being sexual.....er).

 I don't know at what age a child/teen SHOULD be having sex, hopefully, that is something they get to determine and not it be a 'situation' of some sorts. Sometimes there is abuse at home but we should also acknowledge that some people have stronger, and earlier developing sex drives. I think the entire spectrum should be addressed when it comes to the development of young people. I wanted to point out the difference between SEXUAL ABUSE (grown men) and sexual exploration (with peers). 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Bunny77 @diamondgal @LionMama That's one of the reasons I waited so long to have sex was because I knew so much and had a living supportive family. I wasn't scared of sex or sexuality and didn't need it to validate who I was. My first experience was at 18 it wasnt the best, wasn't the worst so I wasn't traumatized. But I knew what to discuss and how to be safe. I've always been curious about sex as an adult and sexuality. I mean we're talking about kids here but there are adults who are vastly ignorant about sex and sexuality. That's why a lot of grown women end up dickmatozed b/c they don't know their bodies. I know mine very intimately, I'll be damned if someone came into my temple and knew more about it than I do.

Bunny77 2054 pts

 tracyreneejones  diamondgal  LionMama I wasn't speaking of grown men, per se, but the girls I knew who were having sex at 12 were having it with their 16 year old cousin's friend who hung out at the house all the time.  So neither was grown, but the 12 year old was developing and curious about sex, and then the 16-year-old obviously saw an opportunity with a younger girl whose nose was wide open and there you have it.

 

So yes, when I talked to the girls (who were later 14), they all said they wanted it at 12 and were flattered by the attention from the 16 year olds, but that doesn't make it cool. I had 17 year olds coming on to me when I was 13... even though I was intrigued, I KNEW that wasn't cool.

 

But yes, I'm not waiting until a certain age to start having talks with my kids, because I knew kids back in the 80s having sex in middle school, so I know it's happening now. But there is still going to be a "too young" in my mind... and I think the "too young" part doesn't happen (in most cases) unless something has gone awry in the home or with the parents.

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 Bunny77  diamondgal  LionMama I understand what you're saying but you do realize you're still discussing statutory rape. We need to be very clear about ADULTS (per the law..and those who should have learned SOME restraint at 16 ) preying on a 12 year old (who is simply a child, curious, maybe.....but a child). I think we often turn our heads to these 'relationships' as if they are normal, when the law is on the side of alleviating these situations. Adults need to enforce age appropriateness to ALL teenagers. The boys chase and the girls are 'fast'.......I hope to change this view. We should chastise, educate and talk to both males and females. 

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

 LionMama I'm amused that you think a same sex school will alleviate the need for them to know of their sexuality and sexual responsibility. I'll mention 'circle jerking' and the current 'trend' of bisexual girls. They're experimenting with same sex, nevertheless, and like other examples 'it worked for me' waiting on marriage or allowing ignorance doesn't mean it will work out for your young people as it did for you. Like Rose said, the more she knows, the less curious she is and I believe kids take things slower when there is no big secret about sex. BOARDING SCHOOL... I sure do wish it was that easy!!! You don't have to whip out a book over dinner, but you can be mindful of opportunities to introduce new information. :) 

LionMama 293 pts

 tracyreneejones You have never been to a African bordning school. It's study study study. Sports sports sports. Lights out with the house mothers patrolling up and down the halls, trust me they don't have a minute of privacy. And they are not as soft as western schools with rule breaking.

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 LionMama  tracyreneejones Agreed. I was a day scholar at a Catholic school which still had boarding students. Strict was the word. I actually appreciate that strictness and how I was raised now. My mom also went to such a boarding school.

Joyce345 1738 pts

 LionMama  tracyreneejones 

 

LOL!!! I went to an African all girls boarding school too. When I wasn't studying I was playing basketball. We had just a few mixers during the school year with neighboring boys schools and even then I was too shy to have a conversation with a boy.

 

I wasn't ignorant though, my mum was a science teacher and she made sure I understood all the facts about sex.

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 Joyce345  LionMama  tracyreneejones Couple of us  Africans on this blog then :)))

LionMama 293 pts

 Joyce345  tracyreneejones Na, I never went to one, we were too poor.

 

But I have nieces and nephews who did. As well as cusins and they told me what it is like.

 

Actually I'd like to sign my daughter up to a few cultural events when she gets older. Something that makes her feel proud to be a virgin.

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 LionMama  Joyce345  tracyreneejones as long as it's not the reed dance!

LionMama 293 pts

 KingsDaughter  Joyce345  tracyreneejones 

What's wrong with that? I mean I have cousin who did it.. I can see how the virginity testing might be a bit much though since I went through it myself once and don't wish anyone who's unwilling to be forced to do it. Nasty and unplesant.

 

are you Zulu since you know about it?

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 LionMama  Joyce345  tracyreneejones No. Isn't the reed dance a Swazi  thing? Anyway I don't like the idea of the king eyeing those nubile young girls... totally lech!

LionMama 293 pts

 KingsDaughter  Joyce345  tracyreneejones It takes place in Zululand and it's a zulu tradition as well.  Oh yes, I guess that's the bad part. I don't really like the monarchy. But what can I do and those virgins seems very proud of themselves.

LionMama 293 pts

KingsDaughterJoyce345tracyreneejones

Unlike the Swazi king our king can't force our girls to do something they don't want.

 

I was kinda pissed when I read an American article gloryfying the Swazi monarchy, the Swazi king is no better than Baas Robert..

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 LionMama  Joyce345  tracyreneejones  Interesting, I had no idea it also took place in KwaZulu. Yeah you're rght about glorifying the monarchy but man, Bob is in a class of his own :(

LionMama 293 pts

 KingsDaughter  Joyce345  tracyreneejones haha It's funny they can't keep a woman happy. King Swazi fool got his women runing away from him and Baas Robert have his wife cuckolding him.

 

I kinda get why they chose in black american news sites to show the Swazi king and princesses as OMG check out the black royalties! 

KingsDaughter 4676 pts

 LionMama  Joyce345  tracyreneejones**chuckle** It's probably the novelty element.  But of course as you know there are plenty of African royal families . By the way I've met so many admirers of Bob's. Yes, it's true! They love him in the same way they admire Idi Amin. You know he's the black guy who put the bad white people (and in Amin's case the Asians!) people in their place. It's crazy lol

Brenda55 19725 pts moderator

 LionMama Hate to tell ya but the teens at boarding school have sex also. The just do the same sex stuff and call it "practicing"  until they can get with the opposite sex.