Time to Own It: My Mea Culpa on No Wedding No Womb 2010

Time to Own It: My Mea Culpa on No Wedding No Womb 2010

Time to come clean.

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Ever since I came to the blog scene in 2010, I’ve adopted a motto that has worked unbelievably well for me. First motto: You don’t have to know everything, and it’s okay to say, “I don’t know.” In a world where so many folks cling to a relentless need to give the impression that they are all-knowing, saying “I don’t know” is incredibly freeing. Second motto: Don’t be afraid to admit when you’re wrong.

This is one of those times to admit I was wrong. Several members within the BWE community warned me about including Tim Alexander (and another guy who I won’t mention because he’s not nearly as bad) in the male line up of bloggers and activists for the inaugural event of No Wedding No Womb back in September 2010. The women were concerned that Tim was a widely-accused black woman hater, and he had no place in our outreach. My concern at the time was that our lack of black men participating might give some the impression that all of us women were just a bunch of harpies. It was important to have male voices speaking up on this issue, because men listen to other men. I felt that adding male voices would add another dimension of credibility to the movement, and I was (mostly) right. A significant number of black men stepped up in that fight, including Lamar Tyler, film maker, activist and blogger of Black and Married With Kids. And also who could forget SPEECH, the lead of Arrested Development, who produced an entire song?

No doubt that without these male voices, much of the message of No Wedding No Womb would have fallen on deaf ears. I still believe black men are essential to delivering the message because they make up 50% of the conversation. I knew some people wouldn’t like it, but it was absolutely necessary to get voices outside of the BWE community to cooperate, and it’s because we did this that #NWNW was tweeted 100,000 times in one night, got and continues to get national coverage, and is a smashing public awareness success.

However, male participation can not be helpful if they use it as an opportunity to blame black women for everything, and that black boys and men are helpless victims of evil and disgusting black women who are hell bent on destroying black people. NWNW has maintained from the beginning that both males and females must take responsibility in order to affect change.

The following is a Facebook exchange between me and Tim Alexander. Please note how the conversation devolved into him accusing me of hating black men, implying I’m some evil and disgusting baby momma who had a gaggle of children before a white knight saved me, and how the other men in his woman-hating group thought I was a raging narcissist because I think something of myself. I’m sharing this with you because this is an indicator of the pathology in the black community.

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I think it’s pretty evident what Tim and his minion’s think about black women, and I wish I had had the full spectrum of that hate when I asked him to participate, but I didn’t. I was new to the scene, and had no idea. I was wrong, and I own it. For all those I might have hurt of offended, I sincerely apologize.

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These guys are angry and hurt. You can read it all throughout their posts. The anger and hate is consuming them. And they think they are helping... They're only hurting the conversation between black people by complaining and laying blame. Ask any person educated on conflict resolution and human relations -- blaming others and criticizing never works. They are just venting their obvious anger issues, not helping anyone. These guys are lacking in many ways.

kia 2059 pts

As ToniM said - Its very disturbing that whenever black women speak of their widespread disrespectful treatment by black men that seems to have taken over the black community. Instead of other black women agreeing, and encouraging each other to start seeking other men. They will come here to remind them of the few black men that don't behave this way towards black women.

kia 2059 pts

To TheBoss - So now I'm leading black women down the path of self destruction by advising them to stay away from the black men who refuse to respect or take care of them. And if they're having trouble finding a good black man. Perhaps they should expand their options to other races of global quality men - instead of waiting for a man who might never appear, or who might not appear until she's much older in age.

 

From TheBoss - 'I read on this very blog that one should avoid people who profess strong dislike of all others in their race or ethnic group because it signifies an underlying self-hatred.'

 

I didn't say I hate all black men. Just the ones that disrespect women and don't take care of their families. What have you to say of all the black men that create sites and you tube videos for the sole purpose of spewing their hatred of black women? If your so concerned about 'The Good Black Men.' Perhaps you should also check out the sites where black men frequent and spew their hateful thoughts about black women while praising other races of women. Instead of policing the comments of the women here to make sure that when we speak of the dysfunctional behavior about black men and the black community, that we're not putting down all black men.

Brenda55 19278 pts moderator

 kia Ladies there is an article coming on this very subject.  Hold your fire until then.

Thank-You. 

ieishah 779 pts

 Brenda55  "Hold your fire" <--- Too late!! LOL. Apparently, being prejudiced and hostile is totally unsexy...unless it's directed towards black men en masse, and young black women who just happen to love their daddies, or whatever. Nothing at all wrong with talking about the issues in the black community, but let's be careful we don't end up sounding like the guy who inspired this post. I honestly don't believe saying so is censuring, 'policing', or 'silencing' anyone.

Brenda55 19278 pts moderator

 ieishah 

"Nothing at all wrong with talking about the issues in the black community, but let's be careful we don't end up sounding like the guy who inspired this post. I honestly don't believe saying so is censuring, 'policing', or 'silencing' anyone."

 

Quite right. People are going to be permitted to say what they want and need to say. Certain matters have been deferred too long in deference to other's agendas. There are few places on line where these things issues  can be safely talked about and lest we forget some communities were created to allow just that. It is not required that we all  like it. 

ncatina 280 pts

 Brenda55  (clapping vigourously)

 
Bren82 1304 pts

"Perhaps you should also check out the sites where black men frequent and spew their hateful thoughts about black women while praising other races of women." @kia I'm sorry but any Youtube video with a title remotely related to "Why _ are better than black women" or "Why Black women _ (something negative)" are videos I wouldn't waste my time or brain space viewing nor would I recommend that any black woman waste her time viewing those videos either. They're a lost cause and are written by DBRs, angry, mysogynistic men who would rather blame the victims than the perpetrators. Common sense would tell black women that MANY men do not believe the crap bw haters vomit up, so why give them the benefit of another visit to their post? I know I'm smart, beautiful, am moving forward in life and have a lot to offer, so why should I listen to anyone who tells me that I'm not or that I won't? I mean, I find it hard to believe that these guys dated every black woman they could to come up with this statement. They think they know us, but they don't.

kia 2059 pts

I was specifically referencing my comment towards TheBoss. Because the discussion here was about NWNW. And how Christelyn was verbally attacked by black men on facebook who claimed they cared about black women and their people. And whenever we discuss here how it seems to be a pandemic with many black men and other dbr black people. Instead of addressing the negative behavior of black men towards black women and their people. Strangers appear to say that not all black men behave this way - while ignoring the web sites, you tube videos, and stories posted daily around the world of black girls and women being victimized or killed by black men in some way.

kia 2059 pts

For the record. I don't hate all black men. Just most of them! LOL! When I speak about black men. I speak of how I dislike their behavior. How they treat other black people and black women. How most of them don't want to better their lives for themselves and their families. How they glorify hip hop culture but not education etc. How they sometimes worship other races of women while putting down black women. How 'The Good Black Men' who don't disrespect black women, and who are taking care of their families - are not advising or mentoring the younger black men to do the same.

 

TheBoss has mentioned that she is 17. I'm in my early 30's. Most of the other women here are also adults. We welcome comments from younger black women. We have also seen and experienced negative things from black men and the black community for decades that teenagers have never experienced. Teenagers are coming from a place of idealism. They don't like thinking that a large number of men in their communities or family behave or treat women disrespectfully. And some of the black women that have been disrespected by black men are noting this behavior and moving on from black men to the world of global quality men. We, as black women should not have to put disclaimers after every sentence when speaking of black men or black people. Especially since black men never do. They love putting black women into one category. But when black women create sites and discuss issues in the black community. Someone always has to come here and scold black women to make sure we're not putting down all black people. When black men are never scolded for the evil things they say on their sites about black women. So they can take their fake concern somewhere else.

MrsGlam 240 pts

 kia

 I read the comments from TheBoss and I too noted her age. There is a post on SojournersPassport, under the "Joining Better Networks" series that speaks about Listening with Humility, and how younger individuals tend not to do that.

 

"The “take heed when a potential mentor person pulls your coat” mindset is long gone from most modern African-Americans. There are a handful of under-40 African-Americans that have “old school” values, but they’re not representative of their peers. Far too many African-Americans who are now in their 20s and 30s (and poorly raised by my generation and our older siblings, I will add): ... (3) Somehow believe that their (structurally limited, by not having lived on the planet as long) limited life experience is the equal to that of any elder’s or potential mentor’s life experiences."

 

These younger individuals are certainly welcome to weigh in, but to disregard the experiences of people who have LIVED LONGER than them is unwise. Not to say that age=wisdom, because it definitely does NOT. But there is a reason why the women on this particular site agree that most BM are not good for most BW: they have LIVED through it, seen it up close and personal, and they have done so over more than 2 decades of living. The limited experiences of a teenager make it difficult to discern truly "damaged" or, at very least, non-beneficial, behavior (such as not marrying the mothers of their children). BBW is a pro-swirl website- this is not the place for her.

MixedUpInVegas 1643 pts

OK, I know I am not alone in stating that Black men never paid any attention to me. You can't date someone who never asks you. The few Black men I ever dated were one date wonders or it turned out they wanted somethng from me. They weren't too shy to come to my house (no date) and ask , either. Asian and white men, on the other hand, took me nice places, sent me flowers and introduced me to their families and friends. In view of that, what would you do?

DWB 7279 pts

 MixedUpInVegas You know it's funny but I relate. I've been around for a few years now and looking back, I never really had any "luck" with WW, but have with BW. Been to several different duty stations in the Navy and in the corporate world, but most of my close friend were black women.

 

I offer no explanation ... just an observation.

 

[shrugs]

kia 2059 pts

Brenda55 - 'Why are the men in your family not married to the mother's of their children?'

 

TheBoss - I'm not the men in my family. But I'm assuming that their spouses do not wish to marry. And perhaps the person they created a child with is not their soulmate. Which is one of the problems that comes with premarital sex.

 

Kia - So some of the men in your family had kids with women they are not married to. And your saying the reason they're not married is because the woman didn't want marriage. Again, placing the blame on the woman. I'm not against premarital sex. But if two people engage in premarital sex, knowing the woman could get pregnant, and choose not to use birth control and condoms. They both know what the consequences are. It is not the woman's fault alone. One can have premarital sex without becoming pregnant.

kia 2059 pts

Note the only 'Good Black Men' that TheBoss mentioned were members from her own family - Half of whom didn't marry the mother of their own children. And when asked why they weren't married. She said the women didn't want to be married to the father of their kids. Giving black men another pass. I don't believe that for a second.

 

FYI! - When speaking of 'Good Black Men'. I would like to hear examples of men not related to you. Because you can't marry your family!

 

Sorry, I'm going to need to better examples of these millions of 'Good Black Men' who are God fearing and treat women respectfully.

The_Boss 283 pts

@kia And its not my job to list the name, persona, job and religion of every black man in the States. Be a black man hater if you want, but don't drag other women down that path of self destruction. I read on this very blog that one should avoid people who profess strong dislike of all others in their race or ethnic group because it signifies an underlying self-hatred.

The_Boss 283 pts

@kia Listen. You don't know me, don't make quick assumptions, okay. I do not engage in nor condone premarital sex for any man, woman or child. It is easy to say "no" when a person of the opposite sex solicits you for sex. And isn't that the basic premise of NWNW? (It is my belief that sex is something only married couples should do, so that's what I will write comments about) Again, I'm not sorry for rejecting the I-hate-black-men club.

Lexi88 2180 pts

 The_Boss  kia 

 

 The_Boss I don't think this site or anyone on it, will stand behind anyone pushing a I hate ALL black men, and ALL black men are evil agenda. But for every good man like your father and uncle, there are hundreds who live, breath and take great pride in being disrespectful, women hating low-life. Since the bad outweigh the good , our community is much more affected and black women are left holding the "fix it bag" . That is my frustration! Yes, there are good black men, but they are NOT the majority. And if you ask them, like your father and uncle, they will tell you to stay clear of black men and the black community. Not because they hate the BC or self, but because the BC and many of the men in it, do not see a problem with their lifestyles and will tear you apart if you try to offer anything that may resemble change, hard-work and responsibility. 

melissamak007 218 pts

Is it wrong that I wanted to laugh a little? OK, maybe I did when I read that Black women have all this sex and STD's, and abortions? Then I saw "you DON'T LIKE BLACK MEN" in all caps like that and almost spit out my drink.  Christelyn held her own, of course. It's just,  Tim and Jason? Was that his name? They horror shows. I reeeaaalllyyy can't be so bothered. But maybe I should be? These would be the same men who would possibly: shake their heads, stare, nudge their friends, make comments etc., at me and my boyfriend when we are walking down the street. I am literally waiting for one of them to become confrontational. Why is is assumed that if you are with someone of a different race that it's all you ever wanted and all you ever dated?  The way some people come to their conclusions and, the conclusions that they come to based on who you date or marry is totally ridiculous. I haven't read all the comments so forgive me if there is any repetition. I tell myself that they don't know me. They are certainly not worth elevated blood pressure over the ignorance. It's just, I have a hard time with people who make gross generalizations. I would LOVE to know where Jason got his "abortion as birth control" statistic!

Bren82 1304 pts

@melissamak007 I was told before that the reason I was with my husband was because black men didn't want me (BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!) "B!", PLEASE!!!

melissamak007 218 pts

 Bren82  Oh God. Smacks of desperation doesn't it? Kind of reminds me of when a guy tries to talk to me, I don't give him the time of day... Then all of a sudden I "wasn't all that", "eff you b*tch" etc., etc... In your case, there's no chance for him from the minute he laid eyes on you. So he's hot from the start. I think that was his way of putting you in your supposed "place". 

 
KinkyBottleBlonde00 209 pts

 melissamak007  Bren82 

 

Oh, my goodness! As if that is the only reason to not want a particular black guy is b/c he's black.  I just went to a bodega on the way to work not too long ago and one guy was trying to holler at me.  I was dressed business casual (heading to my dreaded job) and he was standing outside on the corner, dressed like someone who had nothing to do in life. When I didn't respond to "Psst! Ayyo, shorty!" for awhile, he says, "The f*ck is the matter with you? You don't like black men?"

To which I replied,"If it will make you feel better about yourself, then sure."

 

There are many things I'll gladly do for charity, but I will never make a Salvation Army out of my personal life.

MySmile 4172 pts

 melissamak007  Bren82 

Grrrr. I just had something like this happen to me with a DBR black man yesterday while waiting on a bus. . >:-( Basically, because I turned him down (I was firm but not rude..told him I'm not interested) he got upset. He's the one who asked me if I had a boyfriend...then he tried to say he wasn't trying to hit on me...Why did he ask if I had a boyfriend then? Just for the heck of it? Plus, he had been eyeing me for quite some time before he spoke. He was old and crusty too (pot belly and ugly as hell). He started yelling and calling me stuck up. He said "We got a black president and you still stuck up!" and I'm still not sure wtf that has to do with anything lol...I said I'm not stuck up, I just have standards..and he said  "you are stuck up SISTA!" He put emphasis on the sista part. Umm..I'm not your sister, buddy! I guess he was trying to remind me that I was still black...um, okay,  I didn't forget, especially not while rocking my fro, but I appreciate him checking (NOT!). Being black is not something negative, so that was an epic fail on his part.

 

Anyways, A few minutes later, he walked by me and mumbled "That's why brothas get white girls". The coward didn't even look me in the eye. It was so stupid that he tried to throw that in my face as if dbr bums (or black men in general) are my only option...or that people like him even had a chance with me at all....as if I was going to go home and cry boohoo. ...As if women really want his sorry ass in the first place. I feel sorry for any woman who comes in contact with him, regardless of color. I wasn't even going to say this but this is what came out: "ummm okay, I date outside of my race anyway, so that's cool" I wasn't yelling, I just had a wtf face on...and he was like "I know cuz you stuck up!"  I has freakin heated...not because he thought I was stuck up (that's a compliment coming from DBRs..means I have standards and I will never let the likes of them get next to me). I was more pissed because he was so rude, hostile, and raised his voice at me...and because he said all that unnecessary bs. I kid you not, I could truly hear the hate and hostility in his voice. He was trying to "bring me down a notch"...everything that we talk about here. I prefer not to come in contact with people like that, period. There are a lot of black men out there who truly hate black women... I just can't!! I'm getting myself heated again, just typing about it. I'm so glad places like this exist because black women really need it.

MySmile 4172 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  melissamak007  Bren82 

"he says, "The f*ck is the matter with you? You don't like black men?""

 

lol...I've had guy ask hit me with the "You don't like black men?" thing too...while I was out with my ex boyfriend (white)...My ex was sitting down at the table and I was on my way to the bathroom (but he saw it all). Like, how rude can you get...first you're trying to talk to me in front of my boyfriend, then you ask me a question like that?!! Get outta here!!

 

The thing that trips me out is that these fools act like they're the most wonderful black men on the face of the earth, and that if a woman doesn't like them, then there must be something up with her and it has to be because he's black..as if it couldn't possibly be for other reasons...

 

"There are many things I'll gladly do for charity, but I will never make a Salvation Army out of my personal life."

 

lol, exactly!! I've been there, done that...not going back down that road.

 

KinkyBottleBlonde00 209 pts

 MySmile  melissamak007  Bren82 

That fool seriously compared himself to the POTUS?!?! And he's harrassing you while doing his "job"? Lord forgive me, but DBR becomes an understatement for that one :/

 

I totally agree with you!  It seems like everything else in life has to be about black men this, black men that. I don't give a (fill in the blank) about black men!  I'm a daddy's girl (my Dad is black---Nigerian, to be exact), who's close with my brothers and male friends of all races, and I still fantasize about that Jewish guy who plays Schmidt on the show, New Girl, and Jeremy Lin, and James Franco, and Mario Lopez, and whoever that is on my Abercrombie and Fitch shopping bag.For some of us, nonblack men are NOT placeholders---they're our first choice, even without some traumatic event with black males.

 

I've liked men outside of my race ever since I knew males existed. Always have, and thanks to my shrinks, I will gladly always will.  I wish people woiuld stop comparing being in an IRR to being exiled or put on death row.  Some of us were too busy actually being in love and loved up with men who actually do it for us spiritually, mentally, sexually, and in other important ways, to be upset about Black men being in jail or married to women who were not our relatives.

 

When will the memo be understood that it is NOT about  them?!?!

 

 

melissamak007 218 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00

This is what KILLS me. I think what angers me the most is that when you didn't respond to his tired come on (if you could call it that) then, all of a sudden you "Don't like Black men". What if you were married? Why was that the first assumption? I find it extremely hard to believe that they think it's OK to try and talk to women like that with a positive outcome. I can't even say they approach women. You'd have to cross the street or leave the corner for that. My boyfriend SWEARS it's because there are women who fall for it? "Ayo Shorty"? So, when I walked by the projects in Spanish Harlem and these guys outsidee called out "Slim Goody can I talk to you for a moment?" That was supposed to work?  For so many reasons I think the general consensus in some Black mens' minds ( much like the kind that approached you) is that Black women should be with Black men. No matter how they are approached, treated, or what they may have to put up with during the relationship. And we should certainly pay no never mind to the abundance of Black men who date outside their race and are in the spotlight. The double standard is my second biggest problem.

MySmile 4172 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  

Exactly! Co-sign 100%. I've always liked non black men..but now I pretty much exclusively date them..DBR black men annoy me (dealt with plenty of 'em, dated a few), but that has nothing to do with my attraction to white men. I liked the little white boys in my class before I ever encountered a DBR black man. However, the amount of DBR bm, does make me even more happy that I mostly date wm now!! There are plenty of DBRs in every group, but I think it's safe to say there are more in some groups than others..

 

Did your shrinks try to convince you something was wrong with liking white men?

melissamak007 218 pts

 MySmile  KinkyBottleBlonde00  Bren82 

First LOLOL at  "There are many things I'll gladly do for charity, but I will never make a Salvation Army out of my personal life." Amen to that! You get one life. You should never settle for less than you deserve. I have had an ongoing conversation with my friends about why men who you would not spit on if they were on fire seem to think it's OK to try their hand at talking to you, getting your # etc. You will always get angry thinking about the fact that someone who doesn't know you, never met you seems to think it's alright to tell you about you. Like they can visualize your whole dating history in their heads. The incident with your ex boyfriend sounds like something that will happen with my boyfriend and I soon... I think some Black men view White men as non threatening? Or? What's the word I'm looking for? Inconsequential.  I am not going to start on cursing at a woman when you can't get your way. I find that so disturbing. I always feel like it's a precursor to something else. Something worse. It's the reason I keep my ipod headphones in my ears even if I am not listening to music at that point. If I don't hear you, I can't hear the misogny you're shouting out. By the way, if that's you in the pic, you are too cute for yourself! Your skin looks gorgeous. 

melissamak007 218 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  MySmile  

I've always been attracted to men of all different races too. I would tell you who my first crush was but I would seriously be dating myself! I don't know. It would be so easy if you could just be with whoever makes you happy and be left alone. Other people will never dictate who I date (although I think they are trying to). But, I guess the question is why would they want to? So, Don Cheadle will always hold a special place in my heart. I think it's his talent along with the sexiness. But have you ever seen Devran Taskesen? Oh dear! Bearded hotness!

KinkyBottleBlonde00 209 pts

 MySmile It took going to shrinks to realize that there was nothing wrong with my preference. I pretty much was in the closet about my attraction.  Because my parents lived in less diverse populations, I never dealt with feeling attracted or having crushes on anyone until I moved to NY.

Most of the people we lived around were NBABM and were very vocal about people being self-hating and demon possessed (I wish I were joking, but this was my experience of the South, late 90s early 00s).  I was already criticized enough for being African and acknowledging it, as well as liking rock music, keeping good grades and "acting white" and "acting better than everyone else."  At that time, I was just trying to just be left alone.

 

Thank God, I got professional help.

 

 

MySmile 4172 pts

 melissamak007  KinkyBottleBlonde00  Bren82

Yeah, some black men do view white men as non threatening and have convinced themselves that there's no way black women can really want a white man...that it must be just a phase and all she's doing is playing around until a good black man comes along ..smh..so far from the truth!!! Awww, thanks! Yeah, that's me in the picture :-)

MySmile 4172 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00 

Wow, I'm sorry that people are so stupid...I live in the south as well, and I've dealt minor foolishness when it comes to who I date, but people don't give me that much of a hard time..  I can't even believe they thought you were demon possessed....

 

I just recently became open about my attraction to white men  and just started dating them a couple of years ago. As a little girl, I just wrote about them in my diaries and would admire them in class lol...and as a preteen and teenager, I wound up liking and dating some dbr black dudes even though they weren't a good fit for me..I did like a few white guys, but did nothing about it. This one white guy in middle school wrote me a note saying I was cute and he liked me and he asked if I liked him..I said no!!! (he was so cute too..and I thought he was cute back then). Idk why, but I think I was starting to be brainwashed by the black community, or I didn't take the guy seriously. Ugh I wanted to punch myself, now! He grew up to be a hottie too, :-) He was a football player in high school, but he wasn't mean or an a-hole. Anyways, for some reason, I used to be cool with a lot of the weird outcast white guys even at mostly black schools..I guess because I was kind of a quiet outcast too lol...They always thought I was nice and sweet even though the other kids picked on them. 

 

I'm sure there are plenty of people around me who would rather me date a black man...but it's my life, not theirs. Since I'm only 23, I have plenty of time to enjoy dating and make up for time wasted on dbr bm lol... It feels so great to make your own decisions. I'm glad you moved forward with your life and left those stupid people in the dust!!

melissamak007 218 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  MySmile 

Oh my gosh KinkyBottle! Are you my sister? I was going to address the fact that you mentioned a shrink earlier. But, I got caught up in something. I thought about junior high. That is about the time that I started being told that I "acted White". So I know how exactly how you feel. So my comment was going to be something along the lines of how you feel at a time like that. And how you need a good support system. I am not being dramatic. My mom is from the islands. She had no concept of what "acting White" was or, why girls would want to fight me because of it. I never saw a therapist. Even though it continued on through high school. thank God for my bestie. Even though I had different types of friends in high school, she got me through most of those very trying times.

DWB 7279 pts

 MySmile  KinkyBottleBlonde00 My wife and I were watching "The Help" last week and I realized something: I am so THANKFUL that I am living in 2013 instead of 1960.

 

No joke and I ain't lying ... if I was alive back then, there is no doubt in my mind that I'd end up dead in a ditch or swinging from a tree.

 

I know that you don't face any where near that kind of pressure and neither do I, but White racists weren't playing back in the day ... when they sought to "keep the race pure" and punished any one who they thought threatened the order ...

 

Be true to yourself ... wherever that may lead...

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  KinkyBottleBlonde00 Thank you DWB..I'm so glad to be living in this time, too!!! I get you. I often think if I was living in that time, I would have been dead or at least in jail for protesting/ marching/ participating in a sit in/ dating a white man etc..but then again, if I lived back then, I might have been conditioned to be to fearful to do any of that. There is still a long way to go, but there is no doubt that we have progressed as a country..

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  KinkyBottleBlonde00 

I'd rather not go into detail about the other things that could have happened to me, since I'm a woman :-/..some sick and sad stuff happened back then to bw :-(

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  KinkyBottleBlonde00 I meant too fearful not to...I'm my own personal spelling & grammar police lol.. I don't type in the most proper English and grammar, but it's a pet peeve of mine for me to use the wrong form of to/too/two and there/their/they're...had to correct it lol

KinkyBottleBlonde00 209 pts

 melissamak007  MySmile 

i find Mr. Cheadle to be very talented.  I just googled Devran Taskesen and...wow.! and...wow! and...mmm, God is good!

 

 

KinkyBottleBlonde00 209 pts

 melissamak007  MySmile Blast!  I was so enamored by Mr. Taskesen that I didn't capitalize the beginning of the sentence!

MySmile 4172 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  melissamak007 

Haha it's okay.. I'm not judging you...in that case, we'd all be judged harshly. I typically don't type on the internet like I'm typing an essay for class... I use a lot of run on sentences, a lot of parenthesis, and a lot of these guys: ..........  

 

I feel like as long as people can understand what you're talking about, it's cool!

melissamak007 218 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  MySmile 

Oh don't you worry... I KNOW the effect he has!

melissamak007 218 pts

 KinkyBottleBlonde00  

Isn't he gorgeous?

DWB 7279 pts

 MySmile  KinkyBottleBlonde00 I understand what you mean. It's easy for US to say what we'd do NOW ... but back in the day the slightest "uppity" move could me shunned and you killed.

 

I am a bit of a perfectionist, so every one of my typos drives me NUTS!!!! ;-)

DWB 7279 pts

 MySmile  KinkyBottleBlonde00 What happens in my post that I make fun of y typos in? I make a TYPO!!!

 

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

DWB 7279 pts

 MySmile  KinkyBottleBlonde00 AGAIN! =-0

MySmile 4172 pts

 DWB  

"AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!"

 

Very fitting for a pirate, dontcha think? :-)

EarthJeff 3243 pts

Those guys are crazy... geez....

AJ2011 2310 pts

 The_Boss My Dad is awesome, so are my Uncles and Godfathers. Cousins are okay too. But I'm not dating them and being family means I only get their side of the story.

 

But here is where it gets interesting. When I got out of the military I asked all these men in my family if they knew any nice men I could meet. They all pretty much said they didn't. My fave Uncle: "These n*****s out here ain't about sh*t!". My Dad is sitting right next to him nodding his head. My cousins had a lot more to say later.

 

Only 2 men in my family don't work in the skilled trades, education, or professional fields, most are veterans, and none of them were comfortable with idea of any men they knew being with me a/o becoming family. Keep in mind these are the men who "screen" anyone I bring home anyway. They keep their lives as family men and Black men separate and this helps maintain their quality of life. I would recommend that approach to Black women. 

 

You are well within your right to be inclusive to black men romantically for whatever reason, but only black (American and sometimes Caribbean)  women say it's because the men in their families are great.