Time to Address All this “Men Are Men” and “The Myth of the White Knight” Memes

Time to Address All this “Men Are Men” and “The Myth of the White Knight” Memes

Several of you ladies have sent me links to a few trending stories about how “mystified” some black women bloggers are about all the “hoopla” surrounding interracial dating, particularly when it comes to white men. Now normally I don’t address haterade every time it’s thrown my way because I have better things to do, like have that root canal and colonoscopy I’ve been putting off. But when the target of the ire really isn’t about me, but about attacking the message–that black women are entitled to have happy, healthy relationship choices just like every other man and woman on the planet, then you’re going to get me showing my fangs and claws.

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Several of you ladies have sent me links to a few trending stories about how “mystified” some black women bloggers are about all the “hoopla” surrounding interracial dating, particularly when it comes to white men. Now normally I don’t address haterade every time it’s thrown my way because I have better things to do, like have that root canal and colonoscopy I’ve been putting off. But when the target of the ire really isn’t about me, but about attacking the message–that black women are entitled to have happy, healthy relationship choices just like every other man and woman on the planet, then you’re going to get me showing my fangs and claws.

As others have mentioned, the opposition’s message against black women entertaining all their options has become more refined, because frankly that old business about dating one’s oppressors and knocking boots with Mr. Charlie just isn’t garnering the same fear it used to. So now the new message is, “Men are men, no matter the color!” Which if you read between the lines, you get the sense that what the writer is really saying is, “You think the grass is greener on the white side of the fence? Well, it’s not! Might as well continue to eat shit with your own people and save yourself the humiliation and insult of eating a white man’s shit.” (Yes, I know not every black woman dating a black man is eating feces. I have to point that out to the simpletons who read this blog.)

The next meme-de-jour is the criticism that interracial dating books like SWIRLING and blogs are egregious in telling black women that white men, and only white men, are your romantical saviors. This especially hikes my turd-o-meter, because anyone who has actually read SWIRLING knows that not one line, sentence or phrase implies that I’m trying to establish white-men-worship as a new religion. These people are outright LYING, and the spirit of journalism does not reside anywhere near the vicinity of their  conscience and/or consciousness. But I guess I should be flattered to know that some folks are so threatened by this book that they’re willing to lie and cheat in order to keep people from reading it.

Bottom line is this: Men are men, in that they all have penises, grow hair on their face, and can assist you with your procreation endeavors. But that’s where the similarities stop. All men are not the same, just like all black women are not ghetto, loud, and bitchy. All men are not the same, just like not all white people are rhythm challenged. All men are not the same, just like not all black men are criminals. Stop simplifying relationships to the point of absurdity, folks. Class, culture, values, socio-economics, and education factor into what makes a man, and you know it.

The other sub-argument is that black women don’t need a guide to interracial dating, because “dating is dating.” Uh huh. Guess we should just shutter every other self-help book out there, and while we’re at it, stop buying books on how to cook. Because hell, if you can make mac and cheese, you can cook, right? After all, cooking is cooking! Besides, these naysayers are kidding themselves if they think black women’s experiences in the dating world mirror that of other races.

I sat down with my friend, Sophia Angeli Nelson, author of Black Woman Redefined, and she had some choice words to say about this subversive form of messaging, and how the black media at large is working to continue to squash the relationship choices of black women. She’s worked for the majors–she is privy to much. Take a listen to what she says:

Myth of White Knight by Christelyn

What I find sad about all this is how GAT-DL media seems to be invested in reinforcing black women entertaining their options as taboo, while turning a blind eye or even condone our black, male counterparts finding love outside the race. I guess the only black people who hate themselves for finding interracial love is black women, according to them.

It’s not paranoia if folks are really out to get you.

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Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

Actually, that goes for everyone interested in being a GENUINE part of this community: If you see people trying to slide anti-BW/IRR stuff under the radar, don't be afraid to call them on it. You are not obligated to be silent in the face of foolishness or trolls because you're worried about being rude or unfair (a popular tactic some of these people employ to make other members silent, so they can freeing spew their hate). You have as much of a right to your opinion as these haters do to theirs....more of a right in fact since these people generally end up ban-hammered.

 

Don't be afraid to speak up if you feel people are out of line. That's one of the quickest way to bring the situation to the attention of the mods.

 

An even quicker way (especially if you're not sure whether or not you should say anything) is just to flag a comment. If a comment gets enough flags, BELIEVE ME, it will get noticed.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M See? And folks think BW are so assertive. That's just bluster. Most don't wanna make waves and WILL be silent about trolls, abusers, etc. Of course this doesn't apply to me, lol! You're a good man, Charlie Brown??...ding dong the troll is dead, LOL!!

 

KfromVA 335 pts

 DeeDeeRussell  Toni_M

 Also we are often told we are being overly sensitive and that causes some of us to second guess ourselves.

MixedUpInVegas 1691 pts

May I add that, as a relative newbie here, I thought some of those comments were awfully rough.  It isn't my place to say anything about anything anyone else's posts, but I am delighted to see the last of this unkind, unpleasant and unsupportive "contributor."

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

Actually, MixedUpInVegas , as a member of this community, it is *certainly* your place to speak up if you feel someone is commenting in a way that is trollish, poisonous, or at the very least, questionable. You are not obligated to be silent in the face of foolishness. Such persons count on being able to bully women in these spaces because they're used to being obliged everywhere else when it comes to putting down black women.

 

You are right. These people tend to think if they phrase it in a way that is pleasant and not overtly hostile, it is "fair" to leave these comments unchallenged. Or they're more apt to get away with it.

 

 

To the trolls reading this: No you won't. Eventually, you'll be found out and sent packing all the way back to Trolladelphia, Blackistan. It's just a matter of time. :)

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

Dear Honestly

 

I finally got to pick through you post on this site and I am having some concerns. You seem to be pinging people's trolldar and that is not a good thing.

 

Lets have a look see at your latest post.

 

“ but the attraction to white women can't automatically be classified as a fetish”

 

You now I have been very active on this site for a long time and I have yet to see any one, besides you post something like this. BM/WW as fetish. In fact each time it is brought up it is usually by you as an accusation about the women who post here. Why is that?

 

 

 

“Also, I personally do think that black women on average tend to lack the things that are usually  vital for a man's happiness in a relationship, like a polished physical appearance, polite mannerisms, etc....”

 

Well now one person's opinion. Soooooo black men on average are perfect specimens of gentlemanly behavior? Really. Your posts tend to be littered with digs like this against black women. Why is that? It is sort of like that person who goes “ No offense but..........” Yeah we do take offense and some have called you on this stuff only to be accused of having an over active trolldare where you are concerned.

 

 

“I'll be honest, if I was a guy, I probably wouldn't date most black women and sometimes if men keep seeing negative images on TV and in real life, they'll eventually just write off that type of woman. Unfortunately I've seen white people do this a lot. Let them see a minority group do a certain thing 3 times and they're convinced ALL of that certain minority does that ALL the time.”

 

You have a point. Watch enough black men doing the perp walk night after night on the evening news and you can understand just why black men induce fear and loathing is people of all races. See enough of them in the news not caring for the children they father and you will kind of get an attitude that a lot of black men are lacking. And lets not go into the statistics generated from multiple research studies, many from black organizations, that enumerate the plight of black men and how poorly they are fairing.

 

The problem with this is that a lot of the women on this site and on most BWE sites are not forming their opinions from what they see in the media or from reading those studies. Their experience is first hand like you claim yours is. We live and work around these men and have other women friends and relatives who do also.

 

“Even if a successful educated black guy WANTED to marry a black woman, I could honestly see him struggling to find one that matched the quality standards of the white women”

 

And there we are. The money shot. The poison point that this whole post was written for. Dung wrapped in silk is still dung dear.

How about we change this one line to this and see how it reads.

 

Even if a successful educated black gal WANTED to marry a black man, I could honestly see her struggling to find one that matched the quality standards of the white men

 

Kind of unfair don't you think? Painted with a broad brush? Hurts your sensibility as a defender of all things black male.

 

 “Even white men who want to date black women--what are the odds they can find one who'll meet the basic quality standards that he can usually find with relative ease in white women?”

 

Hummmmmm. The old white men don't want you line again direct from the trolladelpian handbook. Nice. The odds are very good it seems considering the rapidly increasing number of BW/non-BM marriages that are occurring. This increase has been documented babe. But you keep trying to tell us that the opposite is the case.

 

I really do not see why we have to put up with insults like these in this space.

I will give you credit. You are good. Very subtle. You have a point to make and you have made it quite eloquently. Bravo. There was a certain charm in your contrarian stance to all things BWW, BW and BM. It was a good jumping off point for discussion. This post however is not about taking the opposite argument and playing devil's advocate. It is down right insulting and that is a line that won't be tolerated on this site.

 

We have tangled before re. your comments. Some of the stuff you post here looks an awful lot like the stuff I read on BW hate sites that the DBRs have all over the net. BW who want that kind of content can go there. It has no place here of this site.   

 

VintageNarcissa 3152 pts

 Brenda55 Um, isn't this the same person who told me that I shouldn't have posted that commentary by the self hating black dude putting down black women? Because they... how was it? Didn't want little black girls seeing all that negativity. And then they go full out and spew out nothing but negativity themselves.

 

Hey pot, said the kettle, YOU'RE BLACK! 

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

VintageNarcissaBrenda55

I'm going back re-reading this person's comments and I noted that in response to a comment YOU made, they apparently linked to BW-bashing by WM:

 

" @VintageNarcissa  @Toni_M "But it also stands true that the only reason many white men don't express and overwhelming interest in black women is because black women themselves say they that they are not interested in white men. They equate sex with a white man to eating animal poop. If I were a white man reading stuff like that I would definitely rethink any attraction I had to black women. But I have never seen a white man public state his lack of attraction for black women. They're not getting on YT or blogs or magazines saying I'd rather eat a turd burger than sleep with a black woman. "

 

well....they sort of are..

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142815741&page=2

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141330431

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141330431

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=134903321&page=1

 

 

that was just a quick search, basically a fitness website a good number of white males frequent, and that particular lot has little to nothing positive to say about black women. " 

 

 

So....is sharing links that negatively impact the self esteem of BW a good thing so long as it's white men? 

 

Curiouser and curiouser....

 

 

Edit: Typo, sorry. ^^'

 

VintageNarcissa 3152 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55 Well ain't that some shit! I totally remember that conversation. I didn't remember it was that person who gave that response. 

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 VintageNarcissa  Toni_M  Brenda55 YES he is very sick and I think I know exactly who it is!!

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55  I can say with absolutely certainty that I know exactly who it is. This person was ban dodging and they are gone.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55 Hmmm. Of course, I don't expect you to name them in public as their legions of trolls would cheer their sick comrade.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55 I need to email you because I do have a question in this regards. Is the email through your site a good one? I don't intend to discuss this on here for the reasons you mentioned.

KfromVA 335 pts

 Toni_M  DeeDeeRussell  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55

 Thank you very much. We do not need that type of negativity here.

KfromVA 335 pts

 Toni_M  DeeDeeRussell  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55

 I meant thank you very much for banning this individual.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 KfromVA All credit is owed to @Brenda55, wielder of Mjolnir.

KfromVA 335 pts

 Toni_M

 Well the use of that hammer was very necessary indeed!

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  VintageNarcissa  Brenda55 Yes.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 Brenda55 The thing about the "fetish" comment Kia  made was that it was CLEAR to me she was talking about certain BM. Kia even acknowledged in her own comment that some BM are just attracted to non-BW (like BW on here can be just attracted to non-BM period). There was no accusation in that comment regarding BM. I did not get the impression that Kia was offended because BM elect to date IRR.

 

Heck, my own complaint was BW continuing to fixate on men who don't want them, and this is regardless of color: That defeats the purpose of focusing on finding a quality mate who *does*. But I could clearly see what Kia meant. Which makes Honestly's response that much more strange.

 

What Kia was attacking was something that we see all the time: Black women being used like members of a harem by so called "good brothas" who have no intention of marrying them, but still want access to their living spaces, money, womb/vagina, cooking, etc. If a man wants to not be with a woman because she is "not his type", it would be better to just leave her alone and not manipulate and use her. This confusion keeps BW tangled up and wasting time with sorry men. And there is no justification for that type of callous and manipulative behavior. 

 

I feel no sympathy for BM crying about how they can't find a good BW, when they content themselves to use BW in the way I described, while declaring to everyone who will listen all the bad things that BW are and that's why they don't want them. It is THAT type of BM that @Kia was talking about, and I'm inclined to agree with her.

 

 

And since that was made CLEAR, everything else in that comment is EXTREMELY out of left field. The white woman/black man worship in that comment? Acting as if we demonize all black men in IRR relationships? The idea that black women need to accept the fact that white women are often far more attractive and that's why black men want them?

 

That blatant level of misreading makes me think that Honestly is either (1) a black man or (2) a white woman. There is also the possibility of a BW IRR-apologist, but this person seems so negative towards BW being with anyone or being perceived as attractive to anyone that I don't even know if that makes sense at this point, because no one yelps that loudly unless they felt directly antagonized.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55  Kia  Kia BAN HIM!!

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 Brenda55 , the more I'm reading @Honestly's comments, the more I find she is weighed, measured, and found wanting in terms of support of BW in interracial relationships. First and foremost: This is a space FOR BW who are in or open to IRR dating. Then there are those who are not BW, but love us, are attracted to us, and or support our right to date whoever we please.

 

There is BWE and other BW-centric discussions, but this is the very essence of this site. 

 

I find it problematic that a person seems hell-bent on negging BW who are IR-minded whenever they get the chance. In my mind, this person begged their way out of a ban so they could continue to spew poison. They toed the community line as much as possible as to no longer be seen as suspicious, but re-reading the comments, it's very clear that this person, for whatever reason, is not interested in promoting the best interests of black women.

 

We discussed this before, @Brenda55, and though I relented the first time, I was pretty much on the side of ban-hammer. I had started to give this person the benefit of the doubt because of comments made that had nothing to do with IRR relationships. But, what good is it giving the appearance of supporting BW if whenever you get the chance to put us down as a group, you take it? 

 

This is meant to be a safe space for BW, and I'm not interested in the hateful, however subtle, opinions of us by persons. I don't care what their race or gender is. Having reviewed their commentary about BW, I just am under the opinion that something is rotten. And so I've arrived back at my original opinion. Do we need such persons in this space? It's one thing to claim "dissenting opinions are banned!" but it's quite another thing to use this as an excuse to subtly mentally and emotionally abuse black women in these spaces. I'm not down with that. 

 

Do we ban or is this person already banned? Either situation is fine by me.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Brenda55 Yo Brenda!! THANK YOU. That person pinged my dar ages ago I called them OUT right then and there. I think I know who they really are...won't bother to name them but it's a MAN baby. You know it I know it others know it. 

By the way, that MAN is very sick to come here as a lame trojan horse. 

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  Brenda55 I believe you. The way they laid into Kia about her comment felt a bit to "doth protest overly much" to me. We talked about BW IRR apologists, and at first I thought maybe that's what this person was, but the venom, subtle but very present, was clearly there. I recall a woman who was indignant with us because we wouldn't admit that we were less than and that black women weren't "prizes". The anger in her comment was different, it was the sort of admitted and accepted mental and emotional beat down that comes from being the *poisoned* rather than *the poisoner*

 

Going back through the comments repeatedly gave me the impression that this person was simply NOT speaking from the point of view of a black woman, not even one that is IRR coupled. I have NO DOUBT this person is in an IRR relationship, but they are not a black woman. There are certain ways of speaking and thinking that are unique to certain types of trolls, that try as they might, cannot be eliminated from their communication patterns.

 

I recall a post where I named a polite poisoner and Z level troll. People thought I was making it up, but some people are REALLY GOOD at this type of sabotage. They will come across as "sensible" a lot of the time, and then on certain subjects, the devil comes out. They tell you it's merely "the devil's advocate", but nope, it's plain ol' Satan. And they use things like "censorship" or "fairness" or "rudeness", etc. to justify their ability to come in and just absolutely abuse and put down black women.

 

This person thought by pretending to be a black woman in an IRR (or maybe we're really dealing with a IRR apologist? I'm skeptical), that would act as a shield and disclaimer allowing them to say vile things and not be called on it.

 

But, as always, the truth will out. Trolls will never realize this, though. They always imagine themselves smarter than what they are. And then they get busted....usually through their own words.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  Brenda55 *too

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55 Well said Toni and will the news of Swirling/movie contract trolls are frisky and will be paying more visits here. Since I don't go to their pages or watch their videos I can only assume they are on the warpath! How dare a BW tell other BW that they can swirl!

 

BP so frikken hypocritical about swirling we've been brainwashed to accept BM swirling but not BW women.

 

Back in 1967 there was a famous movie about swirling GUESS WHOS COMING TO DINNER...BM WW. No big complaints no witch hunts, it was accepted by the Black collective as normal. Oh, the WP were considered racist for not wanting a BM in their family!

 

Almost 50 years later here come the trolls trying to prevent BW from swirling. Sickening hypocrites! 

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  Brenda55 You know, Chris said as much herself, but it didn't really hit me until I read your comment. I imagine, the book was freaky enough for some people, but a MOVIE?!  People are STILL pressed at "Something New", which even if you didn't like (and I confess, I haven't seen it), put the idea of BW considering IRR out there. 

 

Now we have a movie based on a book telling BW not only *can* they swirl, but how to do so.

 

Because I've been in this space this whole time, it's kind of hard to appreciate how SCARY this is for people hell bent on making BW believe they are worthless, that no one wants them, and that it's their fate to be used and abused/not be seen of as attractive like other women.

 

I think the buzz around the topic will certainly generate interest, and if the movie does well enough, then that's it. This movie and book will be thrust into the consciousness of black women in a way that is disastrous to people who have an investment in keeping black women in a corner and afraid to learn more about the world, and the non-BM in it. And this book/movie would act as a huge advertisement for BW who are interested in dating IRR. Don't think non-BM who are interested in BW wouldn't notice the "smoke signal".

 

 

So now that I'm thinking of the potential implications, which are HUGE, I can see that from here on out, we're going to have people popping in here with increasing frequency, foaming at the mouth, baying at the moon, and trying to convince everyone here that BW are meant to die alone because nobody wants them or baby-making machines for mentally and emotionally abusive DBR black men. 

 

You see people STILL trying to peddle that nonsense even though the women here know better. I guess it's really going to get worse in terms of dealing with these idiots (especially when the movie is actually made), but a little trouble is worth it for a wonderful product.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  Brenda55 Yes Toni the implications are gigantic ,revealing the outrageous hypocrisy designed to keep BW 'in their place' ...I did see on other's FB timelines some BM anti-BW pages are talking about Swirling. "Guess who's coming to dinner?" ...disgruntled kneegrows "trying to keep a sister down" !

MsPeridot 31 pts

Look the message for some time has been that there are too many single black women and "others" interested in black peen for black men to invest their time into one woman. This is why man sharing is a huge norm in the BC that is rarely discussed. And it is largely black women who co-sign this modern polygamy in hopes of having sex and companionship some of the time. It is OK to worship at the feet of black men but it is not ok to take your affection elsewhere. A Michael Baisden clip just played on my local radio station where a woman calls in complaining about attracting bums and being a side piece to the man she's now seeing. Michael of course tells her well if he was helping you out financially and you were getting a little bit more attention would you be complaint? She said I guess not and he chimes back in with a "see!". She sounded way too old for these games but it's what's expected of us.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 MsPeridot ....That is just sad.

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Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 Honestly.   Kia "I think in my original response I mentioned that younger white women that I run into/know personally are more often in shape, also black men being men may like the features of European girls in the same way that I like the features of European guys. Are we not allowed to admit that White women are beautiful too? Are white woman not allowed to draw men with their unique style of beauty? Different hair colors, different eye colors, etc."

 

The thing is, I don't think Kia is referring to BM who are simply attracted to Non-BW the way women in this blog are attracted to non-BM. And if what you are showing here were a common truth, white women wouldn't have a comfortable understanding that they could gain 200 lbs tomorrow and nab a black man. It's too common a belief to have popped up out of thin air - the color struck persons in question are such a prevalent reality among black people, it's pretty much a joke at this point. And that's terrible.

 

Black women are not known, on the other hand, for being so desperate for a white man, they'll take whatever they can get. You see this pathology intra-racially among black women FAR more often than extra-racially.

 

I do agree that there are a number of factors that decide attraction and the length and quality of relationships. But as I told someone else attempting to bring up comparisons: It's EXTREMELY deceptive to pretend that African American women and men's intra and extra-racial approaches to sex and relationships are comparable. Often times, they are not.

 

 

We need to have a serious discussion about why black women are so determined to focus on men who are either not interested in them or no good for them. Identifying these men as persons to stay away from is one thing, but I'm sincerely concerned about why so much time and energy is spent on why these persons don't want you as if it were a bad thing or something to be overly concerned with. I keep seeing this pop up in one way or another and I'd like to know where this comes from.

MySmile 4260 pts

 Toni_M  I don't know why bw focus on the men who don't want them. I've done it before too. :-( It's a real self esteem killer and it's depressing. Growing up with low self esteem, I wanted to be desired across the board, so if men didn't want me, it did bother me. I wanted to be wanted, even by the men I didn't want!!! I wanted to have the option of rejecting somebody. Just knowing that they wanted me gave me a high. I wanted the approval and the validation I never had. I wanted to be that hot girl and know I could turn heads.In a way, I'm still trying to prove that to myself (should I be ashamed?). I have "accomplished" these things before, but not consistently. Everyone enjoys compliments and (positive) attention from men though. I should know that not everyone has to find me attractive or even like my personality. I always felt wronged when somebody didn't like me or care about me. I guess you can say I take things personally. I remember some random guys saying I was fat on the way home from the pool (when I was a teenager), and it made me cry really hard. I wish I didn't care what they thought, but again, I wanted to be the girl everyone wanted, not that chubby chick in a tankini. I hope this doesn't make me sound really wacky, but that's me in a nutshell..sensitive to a fault.

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ElfeV 7355 pts

 Honestly.   Kia  

 

 I like the part about not pre-judging AA guys in IRs.  I have relatives and friends in IR that have never, AFAIK, said anything shady or hateful against AA women. I don't take their rel'ps/marriages as any kind of insult at all.

 

The only time I get irked is when some celeb starts talking trash in the press against AA women. I don't know if they're high/inebriated during those interviews but some things they could've kept to themselves.

 

...hmmm, the other awkward is when I'm out  & I pass a couple and i just feel/see the 'shields up!' ... They can't (or they barely ) return a smile or hello. ... it as if they're just bracing for some sort of wild 'stick to your own kind' BS.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 Elfe  Honestly.   Kia  I've experienced that and it was annoying. I'm not looking to start fights with total strangers over their relationships. And any persons caught up to such an extreme likely need their heads examined.

 

Usually, a BM in an interracial relationship out of love has a WHOLE different demeanor and outlook from a color-struck BM. If you ask them why they're with their woman, the word love pops up. If a person has to make excuses or use justifications, I'd be extremely concerned if I were their significant other. 

 

And that goes for men and women who are IRR coupled.

 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Elfe @Honestly. @Kia I don't have issues w/ bm and mean mugging, I think some of that is b/c I have a hubby that is 6'4" and 260 lbs w/ hands like baseball mitts LOL. To tell the truth most bm here in IRs are really friendly and cool. I personally don't care if bm are in IRs in other women, not my business. Now if you got something off to say to me then it becomes my business. I don't even care why they are in it. My brother is married to a ww, I love my sister in law, she loves, they love each other, my brother is a good husband and a great dad, she's agood mom & wife. If you can put up w/ my brother you'd have to be LOL. But yea I know many bm talk way too much smack about bw, while they're dating or married to a ww. But I don't much care, I didn't want them and I really don't expect for ppl to be loyal to me b/c we are the same race. I have no loyalty to the BC, never had, never will. I'm loyal to ppl who are loyal to me. As long as you keep your comments to yourself, we'll be cool if not you'll get your a$$ handed to you most expediently.

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MySmile 4260 pts

 Honestly.   You make some good points. I don't agree with demonizing black men who like/date white women either. I know guys who have dated white girls but have liked me too! You can tell they are just open to dating different races though.  It just works my nerves when guys start talking about how black women are sooo ugly and all that bs!!  It's straight trash talking with no logic or reasoning behind it. I get some of the points they make about personality, because many black women fit that description, but they go too far to hurt and generalize bw.  You can't even call it constructive criticism.

 

I also hate when they try to threaten black women, especially on these youtube videos. Some black men have basically said "if y'all don't start acting right and being submissive, then we're going to go get us some white girls" (look up the statement that the rapper slim thug made). Ummm..bye! lol...If you want someone to boss around I'm not the one for you anyway.  I don't feel as though black men are the only men on the planet. They are just one of MANY options for black women. For some black women, they aren't even an option. I can't bring myself to care about what these dbrs say as much as I used to though.. I guess that's a good thing lol. Most are not the prizes they think they are.

 

You are right about a lot of little black girls acting like little boys. When I was growing up, I was not always ladylike. I was adventurous. I played in the dirt, got ringworms, went in the woods, climbed trees, etc.. I played with boys sometimes and scraped myself up, but kids will be kids. The difference is, if we had anywhere important to go, we always looked nice and well put together. Even if we were just going to the store with them, our parents wouldn't let us go out ashy, crusty, and with our hair half done. This is a habit that we took with us throughout our lives. It's good to have pride in your appearance as long as you're not obsessed.  It annoys me to see black women come in the store with satin sleeping caps and rollers in their head. It is their life though. I have plenty of off days where I'm looking rough (or where I just throw a hat on!), but at least I try. You can tell when someone didn't even attempt.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Honestly.   Kia 

@Honestly

See, you slide stuff like this in. I continue to hold my beliefs about you.

 

"Also, I personally do think that black women on average tend to lack the things that are usually  vital for a man's happiness in a relationship, like a polished physical appearance, polite mannerisms, etc.....I'm not talking about the women here on BBW, I'm talking about what you'd find on average in a black community. I'll be honest, if I was a guy, I probably wouldn't date most black women and sometimes if men keep seeing negative images on TV and in real life, they'll eventually just write off that type of woman."

Joyce345 1751 pts

 DeeDeeRussell 

 

I noticed too.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Joyce345 Yup. I said my piece months ago about to that person made myself perfectly clear to them. I swear they must think that BW don't read the small print. That paragraph right there tells ALL.

Toni_M 20074 pts moderator

 DeeDeeRussell  Joyce345 

 

It's unfortunate, because I was getting pretty close to giving the person the benefit of the doubt. Even though this site does discuss BW-centric/BWE views, I fail to understand why someone would occupy a space when they seemed determined to express anti-IRR views, particularly where black women are concerned.

 

That's what puzzles me. It's the sort of subtle "no one wants you" mess that is often spit at black women and contribute to the low self-esteem of many black women. I distinctly remember this person claiming that being banned would interfere with positively influencing black women. You dodge a ban by the skin of your teeth so you can announce that most people don't want black women anyway because they're fat, uncouth and every negative stereotype on reality TV? ....Okay. :/

 

I'm disappointed, to say the least. 

 

KfromVA 335 pts

 Joyce345  DeeDeeRussell

I caught a negative vibe from this person as well. I didn't want to say anything, but this person seems to knows an awful lot about what BM think and want. Hmmmm........

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 Toni_M  Joyce345 That MAN is VERY sick evil troll and part of that bitter male "community"....I called him out long time ago on a thread about flirting he was being catty under the guise of giving advice.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 KfromVA  Joyce345 @KfromVA you must ALWAYS say something! The are counting on the silence of BW!  I make lots of peeps and noise! Theres a famous quote "If you're silent they will kill you and think you liked it" or something like that.

KfromVA 335 pts

 DeeDeeRussell  Joyce345  KfromVA

 AGREED!

tonyrog 149 pts

 Toni_M  DeeDeeRussell  Joyce345 As 77 yr old wm it never ceases to amaze of the dual standard of irr marriages between bm/ww an bw/wm. On youtube the ridicule that bw get from bm on protecting the bc. The 2010 census show there ar more than 2 M more BW than BM.    What is their solution, it is silence all you single black ladies have to marry the church (in your dreams). I say look for the best quality man available and tell tghe nay sayers f you.

tonyrog 149 pts

 Toni_M  DeeDeeRussell  Joyce345 corrections ("amaze me"). ("and tell the")

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Oneof thegirls 214 pts

"Even if a successful educated black guy WANTED to marry a black woman, I could honestly see him struggling to find one that matched the quality standards of the white women around him on a daily basis. Largely this has to do with weight, personal grooming, in 2012, many BW are still figuring out their hair."

 

Yeah I wonder why they are figuring out their hair when they are being compared to whites and being denigrated for going natural. While that BM may be successful and educated it doesn't mean he has what BW want either. I found that comment put BM on a pedestal. After all many of these BM when they do marry are not finding success in their IR marriages according to the stats. I hear this thing about the standards of the white women around him also a generalization. You have no idea  how many of them are sleeping around and cannot figure things out. You are outside looking in.

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ElfeV 7355 pts

 Honestly.   Kia " *I'm saying again, the odds are not in the favor of two quality black people meeting. You can't expect two people to get married and have kids just because they ran into each other and are both black.* Black people are humans too and there are several other complex factors that go into deciding whether a relationship will work out or not that have nothing to do with race. "

 

^This^

sMoriarty 505 pts

 Elfe  Honestly.   Kia 

 

"Black people are humans too..." 

Exactly!!!

 

This reminds me of a quote I once heard: 

 

"People are not like socks; just because they're the same colour doesn't mean they match."