Travel Abroad and Leave the How-to-Catch-a-Man Books Behind!

Travel Abroad and Leave the How-to-Catch-a-Man Books Behind!

It looks like Italian and Korean haven’t gotten the message that black women aren’t approachable. Take a read at how this traveling sistah fares in the dating world beyond the U.S. of A.

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By Jamerican Queen

I’ve read many entries on how to attract a man on several blogs including this one and they seem like great pointers…until I scroll down to the bottom and read the comment section. It seems as though the flirting and points that are given seem like more work and frustration for many of you who are doing or trying the techniques offered to you; the 5 second eye-flirt, the smile, the starting a conversation, etc, etc.

But how do these techniques differ from abroad? Are they helpful? Well I can give you my experience..

My experience has been…it’s not needed. While in Korea, I believe I’ve been asked out and pursued by Korean men without having to initiate anything. You can pretty much ask any black woman who has been in Korea for a good length of time and they will tell you the exact same thing. I remember jokingly telling my friend that Korea will soon by the Italy of Asia. I could simply be waiting on the metro train and a Korean man will come up to me to say “Hi, how are you?” (I use to think they were only practicing their English with me) “You are very beautiful, can I have your number.” I mentioned before on this blog, that I was really surprised that Korean men were stepping up their game and getting out of the “I’m shy” box. This also has a lot to do with the fact that many of their teachers are foreigners so they are exposed to different kinds of beauty besides their own and Caucasians.

The same happened when I was in Thailand…I mentioned it before in a previous post where I came across some French men during my tour who kept calling me “Bella” and “Beyonce”,lol. Again, I didn’t initiate anything. I simply was a beautiful woman passing by. Even the locals in Thailand were calling me and a friend of mine who came along, beautiful.

Currently I am living in Italy and I only have a few days left. Let’s just say I don’t need to wink, do 5 second eye-flirts or any of that is suggested. I am simply just a woman. I look nice, I smile, and that’s it. One morning , I was heading towards the bus stop when an Italian man was working outside doing construction started singing loudly, when I looked over, he had the biggest smile on his face, while singing to me and then said “Buongiorno bellissima!” I thought it was cute and hilarious. Moments before him when I bought my ticket, the man who was selling them to me kept saying “bellissima, bellissima…you, me…coffee”,lol. That’s the only English he knew, but knew enough to ask me out for coffee. I declined, the man was old enough to be my father,lol. There are more stories that I have here in Italy, too many to go over. Which is a good thing.

I know lately in the BWIR blog forms that the topic of invisibility has come up. I want to say to young black girls and women, that where you are currently are in this world, is not the world. There is a whole world outside of your school, your city, your area that does not think you are invisible.

In case you had any doubt in your mind as a black woman…YOU ARE DESIRABLE!  Don’t worry yourself about men who are not responding to your flirts. Simply do what a woman is suppose to do; look good, smile, and go about your business. Let the men do the work, it’s easier that way and less frustrating on your part. Whether men are approaching you or not, believe that there is a man who is memorized by you, because men are always checking out women.

I know another issue that has come up is that men are too “shy” to approach you. I understand that, but is that really your problem? Do you really know who is too shy to approach you? Remember you are an irresistible woman and an irresistible woman doesn’t have time or energy to be upset with someone who hasn’t approached them.

If it is in your nature to naturally flirt, then by all means, do so. Do what works for you. If you are not into that, but prefer to socialize, then put yourself in a socialized setting where talking will be required, but whatever you do, don’t get frustrated!

I remember a line from Tyra Banks in one of the seasons of Top Model, where she told her contestants… “Every hall way is a runway”. In other words in every opportunity that you can find, practice walking down the runway to perfect your walk. The same goes whenever you go out, even if it is to the grocery store to look your best and be that irresistible woman.

The here is a tip I will give you ladies; be an irresistible woman in your own right. Every woman can be irresistible. Whether it’s the twinkle in your eye, the way you walk, the way you smile, the way you interact with others, you can only be you. I’ve come across many beautiful black women who are irresistible in their own right.

Want more? Follow Citrina at @JQAbroad on twitter and her blog www.jamericanqueenabroad.blogspot.com

 

 

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I lived in the UK after college graduation [way back in '85], and I had the BEST time in Europe. I had wonderful luck dating British guys. It was amazing! And in Ireland. They are not shy about asking black women out - to put it mildly. They don't have fears and hang-ups about it - or whatever it is that is holding non-black men back here in the U.S. And it was crazy in Italy. I had grown up in NYC, and I had never been to a country where black women were worshiped. The attention was mind-blowing. A guard outside the Vatican on X-mas morning started flirting with me, and let me [and my 2 white friends] into the cathedral. We saw the Pope go by and everything. I was ushered to the front of a ticket line, cause the train ticket seller saw me standing in line, and kept yelling "Bella" and gesturing for me to come up.  I was backpacking thru Europe, so I was not decked out in particularly nice clothes, or even wearing make-up most days. 

It was starkly different from the States. It made the US seem sad. It was an ego boost that I still get a kick out of 25 years later, and 10 years into a swirly marriage of my own. 

oceanspray 17 pts

Yea. It's true. I LOVE living abroad. Even in Asia where the culture was hard on me I loved the freedom. When in Asia and Australia both, people were not so quick to place me in a little black box. They didn't have so many limiting stereotypes about me. It was tableau rosa. Loved it. And in Australia ppl kept saying that I had beautiful skin and complexion. I heard that more times there in 8 months than I had in my entire life in the States. Wow. I'm so not thrilled about being back in USA :( It's hard being here when I'd rather be abroad. I was so happy in AU. I literally glowed. I try not to be bitter about being back in USA. Two years since I've been gone and americans still talking about race and race and black this and white that. And the economy is crap and there are no jobs and no prospects and its about the election. obama,biden.romeny blah blah. Australia how I miss thee...

DarlingNikki69 318 pts

I can attest to this. I'm an avid traveller (just got back from Russia) and I've overwhelmingly positive experiences in every country I've been too. I find myself more open, and through countless hours of self examination I've realized a few things. 1) I'm more suspicious, and less trusting of American white males motives 2) I"m more comfortable and open when I'm abroad 3) and I FEEL like I'm on an even playing field when I'm abroad.

 

RE point number one. This is where the racial dynamic in the States comes into play. These can be a multitude of things...past experience, old meme's regarding bf/wm dating, etc.  My automatic thought when I meet a white American dude and shoot the breeze with him is that he's just talking. Why?  Because that old 'white dudes only like Halle/Beyonce types, they use you for sex' memes come into play. Now, I've dated white men, so I know this logically is not true.

 

I'm so much more comfortable, and laid back while I'm abroad. I'm more talkative, fun, adventorous and relaxed. Maybe it's because I'm in my element/////? Maybe it's because I'm doing something that I love?

 

I feel like I'm just another attractive woman. It's not she's an attractive black girl, or she's ok for a black chick, or I've never dated a black chick before I want to try it.  It's 'god you're hot/sexy/pretty/funny/engaging and I want to talk to you'.

 

I'm going through a period of self-refkectuib and immense change. I do a lot of thinking lately, or a lot more of it, lol!

Seenyc 786 pts

When you feel good on the inside, you project it on the outside,  possitive energy is a universal language understood by all. When you look cute and smile it's a bonus.

ms. d 192 pts

Hmmm...I wonder. I'm planning to move to Korea to teach English and a lot of blogs and stuff I've looked at by black women say that Korean men aren't really checking for black women. Like, they are more interested in having a sexual situation than a real relationship.Not to say I'm looking to find a soul mate, but a booty call I am not trying to be. 

Toni_M 18849 pts moderator

 nieshasdavis If I let other people's experiences dictate my life, I'd never set foot outside of my house. Fact: Some black women enjoyed themselves in Korea. Some did not. You can't let other people's lives and experience dictate how you live yours. If you want to go somewhere or do something, it should because you REALLY want to do it.

 

If that's what you want, I say go for it! :D You may have a wonderful time.

Seenyc 786 pts

 Toni_M  nieshasdavis 

 

 

In other words, as I always say, have your own experience! 

Joyce345 1738 pts

 Seenyc  Toni_M  nieshasdavis 

 

"...Like, they are more interested in having a sexual situation than a real relationship.Not to say I'm looking to find a soul mate, but a booty call I am not trying to be..."

 

Men always always always want sex. The beauty of it is that women get to set the terms and conditions.

LovingMyself 295 pts

"Whether men are approaching you or not, believe that there is a man who is memorized by you..."

 

Love this and your article :D. Fav'd ☑

Brenda55 19484 pts moderator

On another matter since we are talking about travel abroad.

Does anyone know of the existence of IRR travel groups of clubs?

Brenda55 19484 pts moderator

"It seems as though the flirting and points that are given seem like more work and frustration for many of you who are doing or trying the techniques offered to you; the 5 second eye-flirt, the smile, the starting a conversation, etc, etc."

 

OK I have to take a second on this. More work and frustration.....?????????

 

Flirting is supposed to be fun and the people who do it the best are the people who have the confidence to do it and are relaxed enough to do it and take it as no big deal.

 

Flirting makes you feel good and it makes the other person feel really good because it is telling them that you find them attractive. Who wouldn't want to know that?   It is not suppose to be some sort of job and there does not always have to be an endgame. 

 

I am a happily married women and I still do it. 

 

I guess some women feel that all they need to do is show up and kaaaa bam the guy is just going to see what a fantastic person you are or dig deep beneath the surface, fighting off all of your defences to find that you are truly a rare jewel and sweep you off to marriage land. 

 

That is laughable and the stuff of romance novels. Straight fact.  You are going to get ignored if you don't make an effort. Other women like our OP are walking around "looking nice and smiling"  and the guy notices that and responds.  I am willing to bet the when the guy does respond she is making eye contact and giving pleasant response and more smiling. That counts as a flirt. Most of the guys are not going to follow through and ask you out. So what you just had a pleasant exchange so  where is the loss? If the guy does ask you out again so what? you may make a new friend or not.  You may have a great time or not but you are out there engaged in the world.  

 

If you think flirting is such a chore then you may have found  your answer to why you're sitting alone at home night after night. 

 

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 Brenda55 What if you are shy?  Like anxious around other people?  For some of us that are shy, it isn't as easy.  I realize that Prince Charming isn't going to be knocking on my door, but sometimes the idea of going out there is frightening; to the point that staying at home is much more comfortable.  My spiritual sister asked me, "Why are you so shy?" <insert exasperated breath>  For some, engaging in the world is as natural a breathing; for others, it's suffocating.

LovingMyself 295 pts

 ChristieRJohnson " For some, engaging in the world is as natural a breathing; for others, it's suffocating."

 

I SO completely understand this! It totally describes me to a T. Thanks for your post. Even though I do feel extremely anxious, I'm working on getting out of my comfort zone. I've never been one for small talk with large groups of people so that adds to my anxiousness.  I'm clearly an introvert, and it's like I don't need so much social stimuli. Once I've had my fill, I've checked out.

JQAbroad 334 pts

Hi ChristieRJohnson. I think the best way to go about it is to take small steps into the world of socializing. You don't have to start with big groups, you can start with individuals. Something as simple as complementing someone on their shoes or clothes. There's also sites online such as MeetUp.com where you can join groups for their social activities that interest you in your area. One thing I would advise you not to do is to stay home and be comfortable. Make it your challenge this ending year to get out of your comfort zone. One day at a time. 

JQAbroad 334 pts

 Brenda55 You make excellent points, but for many women, flirting doesn't come naturally, nor is it fun for them. And no matter how much you tell them flirting is fun and wonderful, they will never see it that way. The point of my post was that abroad, you don't need to do any of that. For the majority of the men who approached me, I had no idea where they were coming from because I didn't make eye contact with them. Didn't know of their exist until they approached me. Heck half of the time I'm wearing my sunshades, that's the worse possible approach to an eye contact, but nothing stops them from approaching me, even with their limited English.

dani-BBW 1784 pts

JQAbroad

I agree. I'm not a flirt, never have been. I don't like to because I don't want a guy to think I'm interested until I know a bit more about him. I like neutral conversation where, once it becomes apparent we have stuff in common, I THEN become more open and smiley. Looks just aren't enough for me to express interest in a guy. I like to be strategic with the men I give my attention to and already have trouble with guys trying to move extremely fast, expecting me to like them before I know anything about them, just because they are attracted to me. It's frustrating and I think if I had flirted with these guys initially that would have only exasperated things.

 

This may not be the best approach numbers wise, in the States, to draw guys to me, but it helps tremendously with vetting and the quality of guys I wind up interacting with. Now being out and about internationally would help draw more guys to me with the neutral conversations I'm interested in, based the experiences you mentioned (which mirror my own in Europe and Canada). So what you've mentioned in the article really fits well for me!

 

Joyce345 1738 pts

 dani-BBW  JQAbroad 

I agree with you that not everyone can flirt. I don't flirt mainly mostly because I don't know how to consciously do it and it would just feel awkward.

 

I have however started conversations that ended up in being asked out on a date simply by saying something mundane about the weather. If the guy wants to talk to you, he will jump in and talk. If he doesn't then he will remain a stranger on the bus/plane, whatever. No big deal.

 

There is a middle ground, for us non-flirters.

FriendsofJay 1839 pts

I think the reason guys in other countries don't have the problem of thinking BW are unapproachable is because some American BW still keep obsessing about slavery (which has been over for 150 years) and the accusation from both BW and BM in the BC that WM only want them for sex and wouldn't possibly want to put a ring on their finger.  If that's true, how do you explain all the "baby mamas" in the BC?   There are a number of BW on this and other blogs who are married to non-BM who seem to give the lie to those accusations.   Remember, slavery isn't much of a factor in other counties the way it is here.  And 150 years is a very long time to hold a grudge.   In 2012 blacks, whites, latino's, etc have opportunities guys of my generation didn't have.   Take advantage of those opportunities.  You're crazy if you don't!

Statuesque 1749 pts

Ha!  Italians have earned their reputation as ladies' men.  They loooooove the ladies and take flirtation to the extreme, but it's nice to be appreciated so openly just for being a woman.

 

That's what traveling abroad or interacting with men from other countries in the U.S. can teach Black women:  It's okay to just be a woman.  No jumping through hoops, no dropping hankies required.

 

I would add Germany and the Netherlands to the mix.  Can't speak for the rest of the UK but I can fully vouch for London....you will not escape that city without a couple of country code 44 phone numbers!

FriendsofJay 1839 pts

 StatuesqueThe UK is changing.  It used to be a bit prejudice (but nothing like the US), but each successive generation sees things differently.  A man is a man, and a pretty girl is a pretty girl.  As I've said before, when it comes to women, men are VERY democratic.  I think that American BW who travel the world quickly find out that European men appreciate women the way too many American men don't.

Jamila 7219 pts moderator

"...trying the techniques offered to you; the 5 second eye-flirt, the smile, the starting a conversation, etc, etc."

 

These techniques have always seemed like so much work. Having to learn and apply a technique would, I think, make you even more nervous when chatting with a guy your interested in. 

dani-BBW 1784 pts

I agree with this article. I made a contact a few weeks ago in international financial work and I have been leaning toward moving in that direction. Plus, I've had developments at my current job where there may be an opportunity to seamlessly transition. I really enjoy traveling and I find it an easier way to meet people, as a somewhat shyer person. Something about being not from around wherever seems to really open people up to talking to you.

SWM 14 pts

So true, love this post. I have. Had similar experience traveling to France and with Italian business men living here in the states. It really is an eye opening experience. I would encourage young ladies to grab your passport a pretty dress, and go!

ann4950 732 pts

@SWM "Something about being not from around wherever seems to really open people up to talking to you." I agree. One may feel more opened to express another side of his or her personality.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Love it, yes men like beautiful women which equals to confident women, confident women are beautiful. I have not lived aboard hope one day to soon be able to do that, gotta convince the hubby. But even here in the states I've never had an issue with non-bm approaching and being complimentary. And more than it's them it's me, I'm married now but I never longed for dates or flirting men here. When I hear bw talk of their woes I always wonder why but I think it's confidence and big smile helps. I hope ladies take this advice and run w/ it. Men's issues are not your issues be a beautiful confident woman, then no matter where you roam they'll come running. Great article.

Joyce345 1738 pts

 eugeniaberg  

 

This reminds me of a recent post on Halima's blog where she talks about seeking out spaces where you are valued and avoiding places where you are not.

 

Traveling is great for those who can but I would like to believe that it can be done without leaving the country. It would be nice if the ladies can help each other out with ideas on this.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

It can be done right here in your own backyard but I always warn ppl against moving just for a date. Seattle is an awesome city to swirl and I've always loved it here but I say visit before you move, that's if you can. One of the ladies I met on this blog @glamdoll just moved here from the Midwest and loves it. We've become fast friends but she visited first b/c you have to do more here than just date. But I've told any lady that is interested in the PNW specifically Seattle please let me know if they visit. I love showing folks around my hometown. @Joyce345

JQAbroad 334 pts

Hi Allie...I'm in Rome as well. It's easy for me to catch the bus and metro to reach the Colosseum,etc. We should meet up before I leave next Monday!

Wonderful post, JQAbroad!  I, too, am in Italy right now -- Rome, in fact.  What you say is 100% true!  I told my friends the other day that now I know what "blondes" feel like in the U.S.  Italian men love black women.  They get an extra sparkle in their eyes when they see you coming.  In fact, two days ago an Italian man confessed that to me when he stopped me in the street.  ("You know Italian man, we love African and African American women.  Bella, bella!")  You don't have to do anything but just be yourself.  Of course, some are sincere and some are players.  It's easy to sort them out.  Enjoy!  :-)

DU2 2197 pts

She said "I am simply just a woman. I look nice, I smile, and that’s it" 

 

 

 

 

 

All she has to do is just be  woman when she is abroad to experience appreciation. Why is it so hard here in the states?  It is like we have to go through 5 rounds of interviews to get acknowledgement from a man.   I know we have to vet abroad, but it seems as a black woman attention is way easier to get overseas. Time to get out the passport!

JQAbroad 334 pts

 DUsher When I return home I plan to see what happens. Every since I've traveled for 1.5 years my family and friends noticed a certain glow about me. They keep wondering if I met someone, and it isn't that. Just pure happiness and doing what I love.

ann4950 732 pts

@JQAbroad That GLOW is called, "Simply happy being an appreciated woman."

JQAbroad 334 pts

 ann4950  I think that's what it is! =D

SirLoinDeBeef 2510 pts

 DUsher Without personal experience, but from watching others, I can offer a reason for the '5 rounds of interviews here in the states - take an American WM and let him approach a BW, who turns out to be a NBABM (fairly common) - she 'rips off a piece of his hide' for the affront (taking it personally) and to her race, with a near-total lack of empathy - after a few sections of social-skin have been removed, said WM will quickly become very cautious about approaching another BW without an extensive pre-date vetting.


This "rip a piece off his hide"  thing does not seem to happen when approaching African women or Caribbean Women or foreign born Black women. It is mainly an American Born black women thing.  

VictoriaAntoine 436 pts

wow! Thats really give alot of hope to study aboard. I am planning to travel to either in europe or asia. I feel like   i want to travel the whole world.  Thank you for the tip I would need plus I think British men with ginger hair are sexy lmao

JQAbroad 334 pts

 VictoriaAntoine Believe me you will love it! It'll change your whole perspective on things.