What’s Got White Women Running Scared?

Are white women threatened by black women?

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Well, my friends out there in Rainbow Land, loving all over your red-or-yellow-black-or-white significant other, take a breath from the French kissing, brush your teeth, and then come back and read relationship expert and guest blogger, Deborrah Cooper’s take on who white women feel most threatened by whilst engaging in a romantic relationship with a black man. Oh…and did you get that latest Pew Research Data? Meh… let’s save that for another post.

Now, without futher ado, Deborrah, take it away!

White Chick’s Biggest Fear About Black Women

As the owner and operator of one of the oldest Black-owned websites on the Internet, I’ve spent the past 20 years of my life discussing romantic and interpersonal relationships with people all over the world. Since my site focuses primarily on Black men and women and those who love and marry them, a lot of my research on relationships has covered interracial pairings.

Frequently discussed are the feelings that Black women have about Black men that date and marry outside the race. We also hear frequently from Black men how and why they may have chosen a woman of some other ethnicity as a partner instead of a Black woman.

One aspect of interracial relationships rarely covered though is why a White a woman would choose to be with a Black man vs. a White one, and how she feels about Black women.

Research into this subject in the early 2000s provided me with surprising insight into the minds of almost 100 Bay Area White females in intimate relationships with Black men. I asked each of them ten questions (with additional questions that delved deeper into intriguing statements an interviewee may have made).

One of the interview questions asked each of the White females was: “what is your biggest fear about this relationship?” Every single one of them responded with the same answer… her biggest fear was that her man would leave her for a Black woman.

Not another White woman, not an Asian woman, not a Latina woman… a Black woman.

The deep-seated fear of the Black woman expressed by White females in interracial relationships was quite telling. Even though she has her Black man’s attention and commitment, most White women remain in awe of the Black woman’s beauty, wit, creativity, sultry sexiness, smashing curvaceous build, dark hued silky skin, and multi-layered attractiveness to men around the globe.

Insecure about her man’s loyalty and reason for choosing her, and intimidated by the Black woman’s easy way of being with the Black man, the White female worries that “once you go Black you never go back!” may apply to Black men as well as White ones.

A Black man involved in an interracial relationship may feel that his White woman is a step up from a Black female. To justify their choice, such men may express the belief that Black women are less feminine, less beautiful, and less submissive therefore less man-centered and less suitable for “wifeing up” than a White female. Yet, the

females’ fear of losing in a competition to this very same woman indicates she believes the exact opposite.

For generations White females were held up as the standard of womanhood and beauty. However those times are changing. Rounded butts, fuller thighs, brown skin and full lips are in baby! The tide is turning in favor of educated, accomplished, sophisticated and sexy Black women becoming the cream of the crop.

As our nation matures, and the sad history of slavery is put further behind us, the numbers of interracial unions between Black women and White men grows accordingly. Every year an increasing number of White males respond to the confident beauty of the Black woman. More White males are courageously eradicating the boundaries of a segregated society and allowing themselves the freedom to approach a Black woman and to express an interest in her as a long-term romantic partner.

Brown sugar is always sweeter and more flavorful than White.

About the author:

Advice columnist Deborrah Cooper (writing under the pen name “Ms. HeartBeat”) shares wickedly funny insight into controversial issues such as “friends with benefits” and “booty call” relationships, interracial romance, dating as a single parent, and more!She is also the author of the modern dating guide: “Sucka Free Love: How to Avoid Dating The Dumb, The Deceitful, The Dastardly, The Dysfuntional & The Deranged!” Definitely not for the faint of heart, Sucka Free Love! provides Ms. HeartBeat’s straight to the point analysis of common (and sometimes just plain strange) relationship dilemmas. Inside the covers of this book are strategies both males and females can utilize to improve their chances of making a solid connection with the right person.

websites: www.survivingdating.com, www.askheartbeat.com, San Francisco Dating Advice columnist on www.examiner.com too. www.blogtalkradio.com/askheartbeat is show URL

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i love that story boy that chick murdock is a mess lol oh and julie chen shame shame lol whaaaattttttttt black women look like prescious please you wish if you think asians ae hot black woemn are hotter and we have prescence.

@ Shane:

You must open your eyes when you are in Wal-mart. Oh, you don't go there? Pardon me. There are fat/obese ww all over the place. I do agree Asian are a ww's thron. Ex. Chen began dating president and CEO of CBS Television Leslie Moonves; despite Moonves being married.[11] On December 10, 2004, Moonves got a court to grant an early divorce. Just thirteen days later in Mexico, Chen and Moonves married.

Su Yin married her adaptive mom's longtime boyfriend, woody allen.

Rupert Murdock's aw is something else. She married her high school sponsor's husband, got the green card and later married a more well to do wm and then comes richer ol' Rupert Murdock.

lol, aw do know how to marry up.

This is total BS. Most white women don't even think about black women. You have to remember that most black women are fat, with half of those being obese. They think about the really beautiful black women (Beyonce types), but the average black woman is closer to Precious than Beyonce. Also take into account that most black women are hoodrats and you'll come to see that white women don't have a reason to give black women a second thought.

I wouldn't say that the majority of white women are "running scared"...most of them seem to be fine because they still have privilege to back them up. They're still up there on that pedestal. Very few of them feel threatened by a Black woman "stealing" their man. Some of them still believe that they are the preferred choice for men of ALL backgrounds, so they don't always view "other" women as competition.

But I agree that some WW involved with BM worry about Black women and other women of color. As a biracial woman with a Black mother and white father, I have experienced racism from competitive and insecure white women who were upset that their Black boyfriends were looking at me. They would call me names (including the N-word), stare me down, or simply pull the guy away. To be honest...I have both white AND black features. I'm very light-skinned with long kinky/curly hair, a button nose, and a classic hourglass shape. It bothers them to see their partners taking notice of pretty Black girls, including those of us who are the product of an interracial relationship.

Some WW believe that they are beautiful just because they are white. This mentality is obvious in many instances. Some of them cannot understand why anyone would find a woman of color, especially a Black woman, beautiful because of all the terrible images of Black women they have seen.

It blows their minds when they see a confident, pretty Black woman. Some white women aren't accustomed to playing second fiddle. They want to be noticed. They want to be the center of attention. On some level, they will wonder if their partner might be interested in a return to the "dark" side, so to speak.

And this is where the insecurity and the hate comes into play. The white woman might be attractive. She doesn't necessarily have to be the stereotypical overweight or trashy-looking wife/partner of a BM. But if she is insecure or has issues with Black women, then the claws will come out because she perceives you as a threat.

I've encountered this sort of behavior and I find it funny, because my husband is white. I have no interest in Black men anymore, least of all DBR types that seek to bring me down emotionally and mentally.

While I do not entirely agree with the premise of this article, I do think that some valid points were made. ;)

Sorry, but this just isn't true. Most white women do not fear black women. I'd say that like any other women, they are afraid of ocmpetition from women who are thinner, more beautiful, have a body type that white men prefer (generally, thin with big breasts or sometimes an hourglass), are more accomplished and more glamorous. I would say that white women's biggest threat is asian women - despite being an even smaller minority than black women in the U.S, they are quickly snatching up white men.
So while a better-looking and more desireable black woman will be a threat to white women, I would say that generally they are worried about asian women. Visit any white nationalist forum (Stormfront) and you'll see that the women complain about white men leaving them for asian girls - I see complaints about black men and white women but I almost never see complaints about white men/black women simply because it isn't as big a threat.

Most white women do not fear black women. I’d say that like any other women, they are afraid of ocmpetition from women who are thinner, more beautiful, have a body type that white men prefer (generally, thin with big breasts or sometimes an hourglass), are more accomplished and more glamorous.

Hi Leigh-Andrea,

No one said anything about WW being threatened by BW in relation to competing for the attention of WM. We are talking about WW feeling insecure about losing the BM she's with to a BW, that's all.
Most BW are not competing with WW for the attention of WM.

What I can say about AW, is that they don't walk around like they are god's gift to men and don't feel this great sense of entitlement. I don't think their looks have much to do with why WM find them so appealing. I believe it has to do with the fact that they are not as full of themselves which can be very appealing, by the way.

Hi Liza,

Ah, OK, I must have misunderstood that. But yes, it would make sense that a WW dating a BM might feel threatened by a BW. My boyfriend is white and I know that sometimes I worry that he would rather be with a white woman - after all, he grew up surrounded by them and it's natural for people to feel attracted to those who resemble them. I get the impression that he is into all kinds of women though and that a pretty face, good figure and generally attractive look matter more to him than specifics on hair/eye/skin colour.

I don't know about AW not feeling a sense of entitlement...I am half Indian, and I've grown up around Indian and East Asian women. I would say that they are good at appearing sweet and they tend to be very feminine. They let men think they are in control while they dictate many of the rules of the relationship. I do, however, think that looks have a role to play in it. The girls that WM find most attractive nowadays are almost always fit/toned if not slender. Many Asian girls (especially East Asians) are petite and slender - a mix of genetics and lifestyle choices. I know that one complaint among white American men is that many American women let themselves put on weight. Generally they do not find this appealing. Of course, you may disagree with me, but I think this is a big factor in what WM find appealing. A slim, average-looking non-white girl is going to have a lot more suitors than a very overweight but gorgeous one. I definitely agree though that a big complaint that American men have is the "sense of entitlement", bitchy attitude - I wish more women would realize that giving in sometimes and being a lady doesn't make you weak.

white women are definitely a bit intimidated by black women. im not saying ALL mind you, but some are. i have experienced it too many times in my life for it to be any other way. i remember a couple that was friends with me and my bf at that time, the wife of this man seemed really uncomfortable. She would go on and on that some black guy in high school had hit on her, mind you we were in college by that time, but i think she needed to say that yes black men had hit on her and desired her because it bothered her that a white man had desired me. She also made some sly comment about me being dark.

and many other times white women have shown their insecurities, at a summer job i had once, a white woman was really icy with me, and my black male coworker came up to the front and begin helping her, she instantly turned into sweetness and light and began flirting with him in front of me ( as if i cared), i can tell she got off on that. little did she know he was married and cheating on his wife, a deadbeat dad of 2 kids and wasted most of his paycheck on weed. anyway..

i have a few other examples but why elaborate, my point is, some white women do feel inadequate n the face of Black women, especially attractive ones. and it must be especially difficult for them because they are supposed to be THE epitome of feminine beauty in this country, so seeing white men choose black women must open up some real issues for racist/ insecure white women

I think black women WOULD be a nice choice for white men because many of them are being dumped for strange reasons--some, not all, white women are used to being the princess while black women are used to being the mule, especially if shes dark; but thats changing. I think black womens greatest enemy is themselves today we need to join clubs, go horseback riding (that would be attractive as heck because hollywood NEVER EVER showed us on a horse. It seemed like everyone but a black woman could ride

And don't forget play tennis, golf...etc. I'm all for that--except for the horses--they're beautiful creatures, but they scare the hell out of me. (Christopher Reeves flashbacks...)

You don't need to self-aggrandize your qualities to make you feel better about yourself. I fell this blog is weird sometimes. It's one thing to be in an IR, but sometimes it seems a little bit obsessive and over-analyzed.

You ladies are all caught up in the wording of the reality. I can't help you with that. Everything you read is not going to be toned down to meet with your expectations or sensibilities, especially a controversial subject like Black Women with White Men in interracial relationships! It's never going to be "nicely worded" nor is the stance I have about Black women being fantastically beautiful and exceptionally wonderful going to appeal to everyone. Some women are just insecure and don't want to see themselves that way, and others are insecure haters.

Anyone that knows how I write KNOWS that I don't hold punches, am not caught up in being "nice" at all, and always say exactly what I think without caring who doesn't like it. Welcome to my world.

I am feeling you sister. Speak your mind! That is after all the purpose of having one.

The days of "sugar coated" words because someone else "doesn't like yours" are long gone.

I was taught that if you can't stand the heat...stay out of the Kitchen. *wink

I agree with CJ. Articles like these do not foster progress in term of interracial relationships. No one is asking you to "sugar coat" but you are making a grand assumption based on statistics that only come from one area, and not even 100 white women were asked. Having taken statistics classes, the data is not reliable because it isn't random enough to make a broad assumption about all white women who are in relationships with black men in the United States. And still, for some reason, I feel like I can't believe that that is REALLY what every single of the 90-something (if you didn't use vague language to mask the fact it wasn't really near a hundred at all) women asked said their deepest fear was being left specifically for a black woman, especially if it was a black woman asking them. Sugar coating would be insisting that white women have no problem with black women. What people want to see isn't sugar coating, but room for postulation and consideration of other possibilities. The attitude behind this is that white women are scared --- and they ought to be, because black women have become the standard of beauty and desire which is not true (which is not saying that black women aren't beautiful. We certainly are. But so are white women). You approached this subject with a total bias, which is fine because it's a blog. But the assumption was a big one, and I'm sure if a proper survey were taken, with considerations to differences in region, socioeconomic status, and whether it was a long term, short term, committed or open relationship, there would have been different results.

All the same, I'm not saying this is bullshit. You have a point -- some white women may feel that their black significant other may prefer black women over them. But it'd be highly incorrect to not assume black women in relationships with white men have never felt the same. But like another person said somewhere in the comments, maybe it is because black men grew up and were surrounded by black women.

The same goes for white men and black women, as a black woman who has dated white men, though not to the extent it may occur in a BM-WW relationship, thanks to the racist undertones of the nation and the white woman being perpetuated as the epitome of beauty. But, I think the level to which that fear becomes something really tangible enough to be considered a "deepest fear" is based on the insecurity level of the woman---and the insecurity and/or fidelity of the man also. My point -- several reasons defend those white women's answers. It's misleading and damaging to present some skewed data, that doesn't even have numbers, and make these assumptions, and end the damn article with
"Brown sugar is always sweeter and more flavorful than White."

For a blog that is about interracial relationships, that's some racist fucking shit. People, especially women and especially minorities, have suffered from double standards that have disabled their potential and abilites. Can't we as black women, and as women in general, at least avoid this one? If it's not okay to say white sugar is sweeter than brown, then the vice versa isn't okay, either. Life isn't black and white, neither are relationships. it's not that simple, so don't try to make it that simple. Obviously, from reading most of these comments, readers don't want to hear that.

Exactly Ali! Just like white sugar was never more flavourful than black, and finally other races are beginning to see that. Who would be proud of the fact that a man of another race finds you attractive simply because he doesn't like his race as much? I'd rather that the person likes me for the super qualities I have, and can appreciate those things without being hindered by my skin colour. A terrible partner/ spouse comes in any shade.

I didn't like this article though.
Something about it just seemed....off.
Maybe as Ali said, it was just the wording. I can appreciate the sentiment and everything, but I think it came off as obnoxious and elitist.

Hey CJ -

Couldn't agree with this more. Even though this post was illuminating, and makes sense - I think maybe it could have been phrased a little more gently.

We have to be careful that we don't do to others what we don't want done to us. I have no problem with white, asian, hispanic, arab, etc. women. Life is too short, and I think it's important to see people as individuals - the same as I want them to see me. Also, if you go outside the race, chances are your mother or sister in law will be one of these women, at the very least. So it's best we all start working to get along from the get go.

Again, I'm not saying this was a bad post at all, I just think it could have been phrased a little differently. "Brown sugar is more flavorful than white?" Seriously? That sounds awful, and it's really not true. It just depends on your taste buds!

I don't quite get articles like this. The tone screams "insecurity" even though it purports to do the opposite.

If a white woman's blog said: "White sugar is always sweeter and more flavourful than black" - that would cause an immense uproar. So why is it ok for us to say things like that?

Sure, people are waking up and learning to appreciate us more, but why reduce it to a "we're better than they" type of thing? Why can't it just be taken as evidence that white is not the ONLY beautiful, and all eyes are beginning to open to our beauty? As she correctly noted:

"More White males are courageously eradicating the boundaries of a segregated society and allowing themselves the freedom to approach a Black woman and to express an interest in her as a long-term romantic partner."

That's where it should have ended. Unfortunately, this article simply falls prey to the assumptions it seeks to counter.

You need to ask the women that made the statement that question CJ, not me. You make it seem like I made this all up. lol! I am quoting White women that were interviewed and sharing what they had to say. You may not like what they said or even understand it, but that isn't my problem.

WOW! I'm a bit taken aback by this revelation. Interesting indeed.

Yes, Zabeth, that was interesting, but upon further contemplation, it makes total sense.

I'm not sure if their fear is rational. If a BM wanted to be with a BW, he would have more than enough opportunity to do so. There are hordes of "lonely" BW who would love to be with a BM.

The BM men I know who date WW wouldn't spit in a BW's direction. So, I would say to those WW, stop worrying about something that is really not a problem.

Using the language of feminine fashion, you are saying that "Black is the new black."

But seriously, I can understand where WW are coming from, because:

1. I appreciate BW's beauty, otherwise why would I be on this website. But also,

2. I experience the insecurity of competing for BW's attention with BM.

Any person romantically attracted to another race is logically going to be able to appreciate the attractiveness of both genders. I find BW attractive, and thus find BM to be impressive, so it's a little hard not to worry about being out-classed as a mate. It's not hard for me to see how a WW who is attracted to BM will, due to her tastes, be impressed by BW and worry about being out-classed.

This kind of insecurity is probably true of just about everyone in any kind of IR relationship.

WM are also burdened with the idea that many BW feel pushed, rather than pulled, into IR relationships.

And WW have to deal with the knowledge that their mate's preference for WW over BW probably is rooted in dysfunction, and he might grow out of it.

I think though that the unease many WM might feel dissipates once the relationship becomes committed.

Apparently, not so for WW.

Wishing you all progress,

"WM are also burdened with the idea that many BW feel pushed, rather than pulled, into IR relationships."

This is true, and needs to change. Like another poster said, dating interracially should not be Plan B, so when a brother shows a modicum of interest, the nice good-for-the-moment white guy gets dumped.

WM are also burdened with the idea that many BW feel pushed, rather than pulled, into IR relationships.

i understand that burdensome idea, i would never want to be considered the back up plan. i am genuinely attracted to other races of men, and i am with who i am with because of attraction.

thres needs to be a demarcation between black women going IR because of problems in the BC and those who just have always liked white guys/other races of men ( like myself)I don't like to be confused for the other personally!

@Tia

"thres needs to be a demarcation between black women going IR because of problems in the BC and those who just have always liked white guys/other races of men ( like myself)I don’t like to be confused for the other personally!"

Yes, this is a big fat nuance. In my experience, it's usually WM that gets this confused. And when they are, you are then put through a very heavy vetting process. I can usually pick up on this right away and I'm done with them. They are just looking for anything to confirm their negative beliefs about why you want to date them, whether there true or not.

Why would they even attempt to date a BW with this kind of mindset? I just don't get it.

"And WW have to deal with the knowledge that their mate’s preference for WW over BW probably is rooted in dysfunction, and he might grow out of it."

Aabaakawad,

I believe this the real source of their insecurity. Why would you date someone who you knew only wanted to be with you because of what you represented, opposed to dating you because of the person you are? I've noticed that a lot of fat WW find themselves in this position, when dating BM. Due to their desperation to be with any man that will have them. I'm just being honest here folks.

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