When ‘The Swirl’ Never Blends: What If Family Never Accepts the Union, Even in Death?

When ‘The Swirl’ Never Blends: What If Family Never Accepts the Union, Even in Death?

What if the family never blends?

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It’s amazing the people I meet who read this blog. I’m so humbled by it, and often moved to tears by some of the stories people share with me, like this one:

Christelyn,

My name is Ron, I live in New Jersey. I was married to my wife Gloria for 21 years.  She passed away Sept 4 2011 after a long and strenuous battle with C.O.P.D. We had our ups and downs, but no more than any other couple I’ve ever known. We laughed, cried played together, cooked meals for one another, worried about the dogs together, and I even worried about her kids with her. The kids and I didn’t.t get along all that well and Gloria told me more than once if our positions were reversed and the kids were mine, not hers, she would have left long ago because of the way I was/am treated. An example of this is they didn’t even have the common decency to list me in the obit as her husband, stating it would have cost too much money. BUT they did mention that they gave her 40 grand children, and 12-14 great grand children. But enough of that, I wanted you to know even in midlife it is possible to find your soul mate. We are this, and will be until we are together again. Ours was a chance meeting, she would come in the coffee shop I worked in to play PAC-Man, way back in 1989 and it went from there. 21 years, a long time, a great time, the best times of our lives. Now I’m alone, in this house struggling with the bills and spending a lot of time thinking about her and wondering “What do I do now?” Its hard, I know I’ll survive(at least till I die) but I’m already getting tired of being alone, let alone having to deal with the aftermath of all the above. I’m not complaining, just wondering what to do with the rest of my life. Her kids, haven’t heard from them since the funeral, I’m depressed but know it and deal with it, knowing it’ll be better someday. These feelings are the result of a long and happy relationship with a woman I’m still in love with. I’m sorry if I sound trifling, I can’t help it. That is the way we felt about each other and will continues to do so forever!!

Wow. This man was and is truly in love and grieving for his wife of 21 years and her kids STILL don’t accept him? Unbelievable. I know there are two sides to every story, but this side has his wife’s family stinking to high Heaven.

This is an interesting (not in a good way) snag in the the swirl, where a woman comes into the relationship with children that, despite decades of marriage, will not accept the husband. I feel so sorry for Ron, who could have used the comfort Gloria’s 40 grandchildren could give him.

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RACE ASIDE......... Her Children have no respect.

You are the husband of their mother and should be honoured as such.

Not respecting her wishes in death; to put themselves before her and you is disgusting.

My only hope that one of the 5 million grandchildren doesn't do the same to them.

I wish I had a nickle for every time I have witnessed a story a story like this one over the course of my career as a nurse. This has more to do with the step-parent and step-children dynamic. Sure the IR part adds a new wrinkle but these situations are just as ugly within same race families.

I remember when we had to hold a man's body on our nursing unit while his wife, his grown children stepmother, had to go all the way back home to get her marriage certificate to prove that she was indeed married to their father so that his body could be released to her. The Stepchildren kept calling her his "jump off" and were preceding to exclude her from the funeral planning. The man's body was not even cold. This was a Black family. I could tell stories like this for all races and combination of IR relationships.

Ron's situation as I have said is not unusual and my husband and I could very easily be in his shoes were it not for our experience with seeing this level of ugliness first hand. It gets compounded further when large sums of money is involved. This is why we married instead of just living together and have made plans for our care as we age and our finial disposition that do not include depending on his kids or my family.

DO NOT let anyone tell you that that piece of paper is meaningless. A marriage certificate is your best guarantee you have to validate your relationship and it insures your rights.

Have a will, living will, durable power of attorney for legal affairs and medical affairs in place as soon as soon as you marry. If you can, funeral arrangements can be made ahead of time also. This is particularly important with step families. While these things are not pleasant to think about it cuts down on a lot of needless and painful drama at the time of a love one's death and is the best thing you can do for the people you leave behind. No one is thinking straight at that time and can be taken advantage of.

Ron you have my sincere condolences. I hope that you have some support in your life to help you get through one of the worse times of your life. I am glad that you shared your story and reached out. You will help so many who read this blog. Your loss is so recent but beleive it or not it does get better. Please give yourself a chance to let time work its healing power.

@Brenda55, I think you hit the nail on the head in your statement "this has more to do with the step-parent and step-children dynamic." A lot of people are focused on the interrcial aspect, but as you said, these problems can also arise in same race families when there is a step-parent as well. things can get very ugly when people just don't get along.

And as I had said in an above comment, there might be different reasons for the animosity that the children have, so I'm holding judgment on that, instead of just thinking that it is all about race in this case.

There may just be but the step kids just showed how low they can go. The man was a part of their mother's life for 21 years. He was there in sickness and in health until her death. That should count for something. While they may not have agreed with their mother's choice it would have been better to take the high ground, celebrate their mother's life and move on. They would have shown some class had they done that.

I'm teaching Wills, Trusts, and Probate for the second time in my paralegal studies course and I re-iterate this almost every week when I talk to those young and some older folks about why it's important to have a will, living will and medical directives. Cuts out all drama b/c as the spouse the children really have no say in how your wife or husband is to be buried. It's harsh but it's true.

Hey married lady,
This is good information that people here can use. As a professional any suggestions as to a good "lay persons" site that the will explain these legal documents and how they can make your life a lot easier in the long run?

There are some, most of us don't have large estates but we do have things that maybe we don't want to get into the hands of certain ppl or have certain ppl take of for whatever reasons.

You can use

http://www.nolo.com/
http://www.findlaw.com/

There are lots of books out there and form banks, were you just have doc with boilerplate language. If you have something a little more complex especially if you have minor children or adult children that need care, you may want to talk to an attorney and many attorneys do that work for a flat fee. Also there is http://www.legalzoom.com/index1m.html they will draft a will for you for a flat fee. Also most states have something that will tell you what is a valid will for your state and what is invalid and how all this estate stuff, medical directives and such work, info on storing your will and probate. For my state I put in: valid will + washington and anyone can do the same for their state.

This is not a joke it's important b/c if you don't write out this info especially a will, the state will give you a free one based on what the legislature says and it costs more in probate in time and money. Believe me and I say this to my students,I don't know what it is but when ppl die, folks will lose their minds. I've seen it time and time again especially when there is no will or directives. It don't take much to write a will most are like 2 or 3 pages, it's worth the time and little effort you expend to get business taken care of. I know we don't like to think about but everybody is going to die. And if you have close family members, figure out if they have a will and where it is.

I'm so sorry that her kids never accepted you and that she wasn't able to bridge the issue they had with you. I recommend that you create your own circle of friends and family. Make sure that you keep connected with your friends to offer solace in this sad time. Once you are ready to meet new people just move on. My motto is you can't choose your family but can choose your friends so if her kids never loved her enough to respect her husband that is on them. Don't let it make you see yourself as the 'bad person.

xxxx (hugs)

Situations like this are why I have serious misgivings about dating someone who says their children are ALWAYS number 1. I'll always love my kids and everything but I'm not going to allow them to run my life and make the person I choose to be with (after they are grown and out of my house) uncomfortable either. There is no way that I would have allowed my GROWN children to treat my man with disrespect, whether they liked him or not.

I think that when children are young and living under your roof they have to come first, however my parenting philosophy states that children eventually become adults and then they'll have to live their own lives. I want my children to put themselves first and my hope is that they will eventually marry and have children of their own that become THEIR number one priority.

Thank you all for your support. The love I feel right at this moment is overwhelming! I didn't expect this kind of response, but I thank each and every one of you, especially Christelyn from the bottom of my slowly one empty but slowly refilling heart. Sitting here reading these comments from strangers lets me know I AM NOT ALONE IN MY MISERY. Thank you all and may God bless each and every one of you. "Ron"

So, one more line in the obituary that mentions her surviving husband, that cost too much money?

Yeah, because that obituary notice cost is always such a major part of the overall funeral expenses, right? Do they really think anyone is being fooled by this nonsense?

Boy, that is some kind of messed up.

So, one more line in the obituary that mentions her surviving husband, that cost too much money?

Yeah, because that obituary notice cost is always such a major part of the overall funeral expenses, right? Do they really think anyone is being fooled by this nonsense?

Boy, that is some kind of messed up.

Very sad. Hope he can find some help to deal with it.

I am so ashamed of my people sometimes Chrys is right the hostile racism goes both ways!! It is so sad these kids were jerks to him and continue to do so. They better be careful what goes around comes around.

Waw touching story...but the long and short of the story of racism among blacks is they feel justified in the act...That it is okay for BP to be racist due to the sad past of slavery...
Still it is not okay regardless of who is doing it to who...It would be hard on the heart contantly having to be angry, how do people do it...?

And people would think that b/c BP were subject to the horride past of slavery that we more than anyone would not condone that...wrong..example Rwanda(yes there is explanation of why it happenned but we are humans first..no reason to act that way)!!!

This is indeed a touching story that does sadly reminds us how racism works both ways, between blacks and whites. I do hope one day he gets the acceptance he deserves, be it from her kids, grandchildren or maybe just a new friend in his life. God Bless him, he's definitely going to be in my Prayers tonight.

Very touching story. My heart goes out to him. I'm assuming that they didn't have any children together because he made no mention of it and that it's just her children from prior to their marriage that never accepted him. I also found it beautiful, for the lack of a better word, that he made no mention of race in his letter. Just the fact of his undying love for her.

And I expected a post about a white family refusing to accept their white son's marriage to a black woman. "My peeps" never cease to amaze me...in a bad way.

May Ron find the peace and happiness that I'm sure Gloria would want for him.

LorMarie, therein lies the irony. People think that the acceptance issue goes only one way. Some black people can be just as prejudiced and hard-hearted as a klan member. But I will admit in my experience, at least in my family, I've observed that the opposing party eventually comes around. This is very sad.

Chris, this is what I mean when I've told other blacks that is is ludicrous to say that it's "impossible for blacks to be racist." This is what I mean right here.

I've heard that there are black people who might exhibit prejudice behavior, as I have definitely seen, but in terms of racism, from how I've heard racism defined, black people aren't racist, because racism is defined as prejudice plus power.

Also, from reading this story and the comments, I think it's a little unfair to judge the kids so quickly. We've only gotten one side of the story, so we don't know all of the reasons why this woman's kids may have disliked this guy. Sure, not liking the interracial relationship may have been one aspect of it, but there might have been other contributing factors that we just don't know about. It's easy to just take one person's side, without knowing all of the information.

My stepdad is white, and I never had an issue with him being white, from the first time that I met him. However, there are some aspects of his personality that I just don't like from what I have observed over the Years, and some of those observations have been validated by my sister, as well. From what my sister has told me, I get the feeling that she doesn't really like him at all, but because he came into the picture when she and my brother were quite young, they all lived together, and she and my brother had to sort of just deal with some of his personality traits/behaviors. So the basic point, I am making is that sometimes we just don't know all of the contributing factors as to why people may not like their parents/stepparents and the people that come into their lives.

I hate when people use that defintion to say Blacks cant be racist.
Well, it seems like they had the power to keep him out of the obituary and they did- Racist?

wow, this is awful indeed...i would not have anything to do with her family and do all that i can to move on...god will get them for that...

Truly a heartfelt letter. Notice he does not say specify which of them is black or which is white--it is left to us to infer.

There is so much here,and yet so much is left out. I do hope he finds happiness again, he appears to have so much love to give.

No he didn't and that says alot...though it makes one wonder...

Well here's a clue...Ron is white, Gloria was black, and had black children prior to their union.

Well, Chris, THAT was easy to figure out given the sheer volume of progeny...Um, not delving into stereotypes here, but...all those children and grandchildren bespoke black! (If one had to guess)

It was significant to me that he made no mention of this however. On this site I see men who go out of their way to identify themselves as white--and reiterate it. Which then makes me question how much indeed, they do LOVE blackness.

This man had no such line of demarcation between him and his former wife. Quite fascinating...