NYT Critic Takes a Shot At Black Female-White Male Relationships: “They’re Weird”

NYT Critic Takes a Shot At Black Female-White Male Relationships: “They’re Weird”

Television shows featuring black women happily boo-ed up with their white male significant others are gaining traction and started to appear more frequently. But this increased visibility is also bringing some critique. One New York Times writer takes his shot.

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Television shows featuring black women happily boo-ed up with their white male significant others are gaining traction and started to appear more frequently. But this increased visibility is also bringing some critique.

Last Spring the limited-run series (before it was picked up as a regular) ABC show “Scandal” featured actress Kerry Washington as a Washington D.C “fixer” who had been having an affair with the President of the United States. Some people had a problem with the fact that black female fixer was polished, professional, and single but had jumped into a liaison with a married man. (Spoiler: Kerry’s character had previously ended the affair.)

Having problems with the way a black woman is portrayed is one thing, but New York Times television critic Neil Genzlinger goes a step (or two, or three) further and sees something more sinister in the way black women’s relationships with white men are seen on TV. Genzlinger thinks those relationships look “suspect”–his word, not mine. And he hints that there might some sorta conspiracy theory underfoot.

As evidence of this possible conspiracy to portray black women and their relationships as suspect, he obligatorily cites “Scandal“. OK: A black woman; a white man; people getting greased to keep secrets. Yeah, I could see how “Scandal” might look a little shifty if you were looking hard enough. But if you are looking that hard, you’re probably looking too hard. There is nothing odd about the behavior of Washington’s character on the show and the President seems, well, presidential. Powerful men have been getting themselves caught up in all manner of craziness since the beginning of time, the only difference with “Scandal” is that the woman who the powerful man falls for happens to be black.

Genzlinger then cites “The Neighbors,” a new ABC sitcom about a neighborhood inhabited by space aliens. In the show, a mixed-race woman and her white husband do truly weird things, like cry through their ears and talk using pedantic speech. Yeah, the couple is weird, but they’re aliens–they’re supposed to be weird! Considering that I just finished watching the entire third season of the SyFy channel’s now-defunct show “Battlestar Galactica” which features a white man–who is fully human–married to an Asian woman who is one-hundred percent alien, I’m having a hard time with the suggestion that the mixed-raced alien couple on “The Neighbors” is somehow particularly weird due to their ethnic combination.

Finally, the columnist mentions another new ABC series “666 Park Avenue,” centered around Gavin and Olivia Doran, played by Terry O’Quinn and Vanessa Williams. The couple are the owners of a demonic New York apartment building named the Drake. Again, I have to ask: What is the connection between the couple being interracial and the fact that the show is about the supernatural? From where I’m sitting, there is no connection.

Lets allow these television shows to either rise or fall on their own merits, no crazy conspiracy theories needed.

[Source: The New York Times]
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EmilySpring 286 pts

Guys I actually have a username and have been dying to post again, but cannot for the life of me remember what it is!

 

Anyway, I just read the article.  I see your point of view, but from his point of view, he may not have been taking into consideration the fact that black women have not been represented, in such a high profile - non-superfluous, (less than insulting) way before on network television or for the masses.  He was likely looking at it from his point-of-view because I read the tone as, "Stick a black woman with a white guy and that's supposed to be synonymous with weird?", as opposed to the "Stick a black guy with a white woman and you just get the most adorable, loving couple you'll ever see!".  The "weird" is his problem.  I pretty certain that is the case.  I might be wrong, though. 

 

Here's the excerpt:

"Many of television’s worst infestations — newscasters with hairpieces; reality shows with “Extreme” in the title; commercials featuring talking lizards, cats or infants — began quietly. Early attention or government action might have stopped them, but then ubiquity set in, and suddenly they were a fact of life.

 

So let’s look at some nascent TV trends that may or may not be trends. Perhaps they’re mere coincidences, but it’s never too early to stamp out a possibly phantom problem.

 

SHE’S BLACK, HE’S WHITE, THEY’RE WEIRD -  Interracial couples have been common on television for a while, but one particular blend is looking suspect. Conspiracy theorists, begin taking notes now.

On “The Neighbors,” a new ABC sitcom about a neighborhood inhabited by space aliens, the lead extraterrestrial couple, played by Toks Olagundoye (who is of Nigerian and Norwegian descent) and Simon Templeman (a very white British guy), are not exactly normal. They cry through their ears; he bears the children; and now and again they transform into their true bodies, which look like something from the “Star Wars” bar scene.

 

Over at “666 Park Avenue,” another new ABC series, Gavin and Olivia Doran, owners of a possessed New York apartment building named the Drake, are played by Terry O’Quinn and Vanessa Williams. Security deposit? Yeah, one month’s rent and your soul.

 

And let’s not even mention how often the government has almost been brought down on yet another ABC show, “Scandal,” by hanky-panky between the white president (Tony Goldwyn) and his black damage-control consultant (Kerry Washington). Subliminal message received, ABC.

 

BLADDER HUMOR - A year ago television comedies were reveling in their ability to say “penis” and “vagina.” They still are, but lately there’s a new brand of crotch humor in town: urine gags.

 

On the season premiere of “New Girl” this week on Fox, the torch was passed, as it were, from organ to fluid in an exchange between Jess (Zooey Deschanel) and Schmidt (Max Greenfield), a character who has just had a cast removed from his penis and has arranged a party to celebrate:

 

Schmidt: “Tonight is about one man’s functioning penis.”

 

Jess: “I wouldn’t say functioning. I saw what you did to the toilet seat.”

 

(GENZLINGER, New York Times, September 25, 2012)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/arts/television/series-like-the-new-normal-and-new-girl-set-bad-trends.html?_r=1&

 

I included the NEW GIRL excerpt so you, the reader, could get a sense of the article (and because it was funny)

EmilySpring 286 pts

Actually, I found it.  ignore my first sentence,

Kiwiwriter 649 pts

Don't watch TV much, but I do think that TV and Hollywood should portray WM/BW relationships as normal, and not add supernatural or space alien stuff to the mix...it suggests that there's something "wrong" about them in the first place.

 

They should try doing them in a realistic manner...as people. Families, kids, jobs, making it on a budget, in-laws, illnesses, and so on.

 

I don't know what to think about this space alien and supernatural stuff...the only space stuff I'm into is the US space program and Star Trek.

EmilySpring 286 pts

 Kiwiwriter  - There was a reason why black women were not portrayed well in the media.  It made  heads of "some" uneasy as they wear the crown.  Putting a black woman on tv without faults, like all of the non-black heroines saturating the mainstream, would make "some" cry how "unbelievable" the black woman character is, etc...  I think this "weird" method, though odd, allows for better representation of black women on-screen, but also allows for the negativity often thrust upon black women to continue, but only in "micro-moments" where it can be quarantined and not turned into character flaws of black womanhood.  These micro-moments allow "some" to continue to feel superior, but at the same time allow for their walls (palaces) to be chipped away with the allowance of the integration of black womanhood in a more society-friendly way (happy/loving wife, mother, vulnerable, human).  It's like one step back, two-steps forward. 

 

Shonda Rhimes could not put a regular classically attractive black woman on Grey's Anatomy when it first started.  She had to saturate the screen with "acceptable" actors and then add "Bailey".  "Bailey", with her short-stature and stout body, was nowhere near the ideal body any women in America.  This made her NOT a threat, but even with her grunts, moans and badonkadonk, Bailey was excellent at her job and was still a teacher and supporter of her Chief.  Trustworthy, worthy of respect.  One step back, two steps forward. Enter SCANDAL.

 

I'm just saying, maybe we should see how this develops. 

Bren82 1395 pts

I don't watch tv much (maybe 5 hours a week) but I think I might check out scandal.

NewMaya 265 pts

Why not start a letter writing campaign to ABC about this on behalf of black women in interracial marriages and relationships.

KingsDaughter 4989 pts

I've read the piece and I agree with Dani's and other postsbelow.  BW/WM relationships are not all that common on TV and they WILL stick out like a sore thumb if they are weird or peculiar. If they were greater in number I'd probably have another opinion but right now I'm glad that critic has picked it up this undertone.

Brenda55 21015 pts moderator

YOu all know that I am a  major Scandal fan.  With that disclaimer out of the way I am pulling a few lines from the article.

 

1.) TV Trends That Deserve the Unwelcome Mat

 

2.) Series Like ‘The New Normal’ and ‘New Girl’ Set Bad Trends

 

3.)SHE’S BLACK, HE’S WHITE, THEY’RE WEIRD

 

4.) Interracial couples have been common on television for a while, but one particular blend is looking suspect. Conspiracy theorists, begin taking notes now.

 

5.) Subliminal message received, ABC.

 

Are we BW/WM swirlers so happy to see couples like  us on TV that we are not questioning this?

 

 Puts you in mind of all of the Blaxploitation films from back in the day.

 

I believe Mr.  Genzlinger just gave us some food for thought and I thank him for it.

NewMaya 265 pts

 Brenda55

 True.   Some people want to see these bw/wm pairings so bad that they blindly attack anything that sounds like it goes against it.  This was not the case.

dasdbobb 1418 pts

 Brenda55

 "Blaxploitation"  And another new word coined by the Swirlers Committe!  YAY!  Dood job Brenda55!

Jamila 7704 pts moderator

 dasdbobb  Brenda55 You know "blaxploitation" is actually an old word, right? 

dasdbobb 1418 pts

 Jamila  Brenda55

 No, i'd never heard it used before.  o well, i tried.  Thanks Jamila! 

Jamila 7704 pts moderator

 dasdbobb  Brenda55 Oh Bob, that just will not do.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaxploitation

dasdbobb 1418 pts

 Jamila  Brenda55

 Jamila, I am now suitably enlightend, and groveling at your feet for forgivness of my ignorance.  I'll cook for you!

Brenda55 21015 pts moderator

 dasdbobb Bob I can't take credit for that one.  Its been out since the 70's when they were making movies like The Mack, Sweet,Sweet Back and Shaft's Big Score.

 

(Disclaimer.  I have never seen any of these films.)

NewMaya 265 pts

I dont think that this guy is saying that he thinks that black female white male relationships were weird.  He was simply stating that the one's being portrayed on TV are weird...and they are.  Shonda Rhimes has power in the media and how has she used it?  Grey's Anatomy shows Shondra Wilson

 getting all passionate with this hot black guy.  They did not even look hot while they were making out.  It just looked weird.  With Private practice: She has that beautiful black woman on that show and she has had her in some weird relationships with white guys.  She is in a relationship with a much younger guy in a wheelchair and then she is in a purely sexual relationship with a hot guy who is the brother of the white doctor.  The white doctor on the other hand gets two marriage proposals from a hot latin guy and a hot black guy.  Meanwhile in real life, Audra McDonald, the black female doctor, just married a totally hot white guy.. 

So this guy is not attacking black female/white male relationships, He is just wondering why they are being treating this way on TV.

He has a point.  He probably cares because he probably likes black women.

zipporah 1920 pts

I think what could be happening is sometimes, the BW is normal BUT the WM is strange or weird---it's as if the WM had to go out with her because he wasnt good enough to go out with a blonde haired blue eyed girl---like the BW is the rebound when in reality the WM is the rebound in many cases---i'd LOVE for them  to show the BW as a SAHM married to a WM doctor?--i know a BW SAHM

Criticalthinker 385 pts

Jamila, Jamila. I love the way you did this article. I read that article about NYT's Genzlinger's take on these series of shows and thought the same thing, even though some said (from another post on BBW) that he was merely saying that the relationships' premise was weird. I felt that the allegations were not so in a  positive light towards BW/WM relationships as well. I second guessed myself and said, "Maybe the others were right that I may have  missed his main point..."

 

May I add, that the media has seemed to always "feed" us a reality that is not real (from my experience). I have always thought that television was behind the times in reflecting back true American culture and relationships across ethnicity, especially AA and BW/IR couples. My theory is that it was racially driven and did not delve deep enough into the facts of what was really happening within society. Only until recently have I seen  more change in the accuracy of relationships ( especially IRR) across television and movies, but it still doesn't reflect what is truly the real picture that is lived in real life and the reality reflected is still not 100% there. One of the main reasons why television shows do not turn me on. To me, Genzlinger further purports and postulates in  the journalism media stories that add a sense of a bit of negative connotation to IRRR couples which is not needed. Something in my gut tells me he wouldn't have given this kind of story the light of day if it was a WW/WM in the same "weirdness" scenario. Remember the Adams Family anybody and the remake of the series into a movie starring the young Christina Ricci?

 

Just IMHO....

 

 

 

 

DWB 8904 pts

Well, I guess it's better than what I saw on TV in the 90's. Show after show would have an episode where a WM character and BW character would date and by the end of the episode they both realized "Naw, this is crazy, what were we thinking --- it will never work!" Every. Single. Episode.

 

The Fresh Prince being the only exception I can think of...

heyimPearlilikefries 2135 pts

 DWB I seen an episode where Wills mother and his family comes to visit and the girl is with a white man and he comments that the baby must have gotten her blue/green eyes from 'the guy with no soul' .. I was born in the 90's so I can't remember. I only see what I see on tbs and tv one. LOL 

DWB 8904 pts

 TheZitaZitomihr There was an earlier episode where they got married and Will's mom had a big problem with it. Outside that and the Jeffersons is was rare to see the black side object ... interesting stuff.

heyimPearlilikefries 2135 pts

 DWB Really? Didn't see that episode.. or I don't remember. LOL

 

I remember watching a Jefferson episode about the husband of the BW was in a racist organization and he didn't even know it! :-P

zipporah 1920 pts

Yeah--the princess blond/blue girl COULDNT COME OFF HER PEDASTAL---i'm not racist of course---but thats what Hollywood shows--even the brunette girl gets gypped sometimes

heyimPearlilikefries 2135 pts

Hmm.. I should be a critic. A food critic.. I eat a lot.. despite weighing 103 lbs. I should be a fat girl really. 

 

If he can do this and get it on NY Times.. I want to do food. 

 

Scandal is on Netflix.

LovingMyself 295 pts

Oh my gosh!!! It's JOHN LOCKE!!! Totally had a fan girl moment and spazzed out. Just finished the series "Lost," and there was something about that man that just did it for me.

 

Now to read the article.

 

 

WendyLBarber 218 pts

 LovingMyself Did you see him in The Stepfather? The original. He can be uber creepy and sexy too.

LovingMyself 295 pts

 WendyLBarber No, I haven't but I'll check it out. You make it sound like a horror/thriller film --- those are my fav!!

ann4950 732 pts

 LovingMyself

I like 666 Park Avenue because of the mystery surrounding the apartment complex.  Also, Gavin and Olivia Doran's characters work good together.  Olivia's character confused me because I thought she was innocent as far as any misdeeds are concerned. But, she kissed this guy and gave him some type of poision.   I was surprised to find out that Olivia's daughter was still alive. Actually, I thought Gavin had her killed.  Hmmm, now what is he going to do since she is still alive?  The part with Whoopie could have been left out because it did not add any additional mystery.  Whoopie was finally allowed to leave her apartment and then she walks out into the sunshine and then she turns into a flock of birds?  I doubt Gavin would have allowed her to leave; but, somebody wanted Whoopie to appear on the progam.  Again, I like the mystery.

dani-BBW 1840 pts

I did not read that the writer felt BW/WM pairings were weird, but rather those couples are being used to portray weird/abnormal couples and thus some kind of subliminal message is being sent about these sorts of couples (for people who are into conspiracy). Since ABC is not portraying them in normal situations (i.e. just a loving husband/wife). I actually felt like he's sick of this type of couple being chosen to portray atypical relationships (an affair) or people in abnormal situations (i.e. aliens).

 

You guys should reach out to him and ask what his intentions were. I'm sure he'd gladly respond to ensure his message isn't being misinterpreted.

 

Penny 545 pts

 dani-BBW I have to agree with dani-BBW on this one. I didn't get the impression that he thought IR couples as a trend is bad. He more wanted to know why the "weird" couple had to be IR. The only example I don't see supporting his argument is Scandal.

heyimPearlilikefries 2135 pts

 dani-BBW On the other thread I told him to quote: SUCK IT. Then after I read the link.. I was too lazy to correct myself. He's alright.. his daughter is a pretty girl.

Patricia Kayden 1710 pts

I read the article.  Is he trying to be ironic or funny?  Paul Krugman, one of NY Times' top journalists, is married to a Black woman and the NY Times wedding section often features WM/BW couples. 

 

I love "Scandal".  May check out "The Neighbors", but "666 Park Avenue" looks too scary.  You're 100% correct that regardless of the racial makeup of featured couples, shows should stand and fall based on their merits. 

chocolate_fashionista 195 pts

after reading his article, i didn't interpret that the writer was saying that he found the interracial relationships between bw/wm as wierd.  i took it as him saying asking why do the couples have to be in wierd situations?  i say this because he could have mentioned the television show "parenthood" and he didn't, probably because there was nothing wierd about them.  they are portrayed as a normal couple.  so imho, he's just asking why do these particular couples have to be wierd (to him)?  why can't they just be normal?  at least that's what i got from the article.

QueenOfThePen 301 pts

 chocolate_fashionista I definitely see your point.  Excellent!

My latest conversation: Come On! Can’t You Give A Brotha A Break?

ASwirlGirl 3228 pts

 chocolate_fashionista I can see that perspective. When I read his comments on the other types of shows/gags currently promoted on TV, I believe your point applies.

Jamila 7704 pts moderator

 chocolate_fashionista " so imho, he's just asking why do these particular couples have to be wierd (to him)?  why can't they just be normal?"

 

But considering the genre of each of these shows, the couples ARE normal. In The Neighborhood, every couple (except for the new family) are aliens. So why is it any more weird for the interracial couple to be aliens when they are surrounded by white couples that are also aliens?

 

As a part of black women gaining more exposure it is only rational to expect that we will be cast in more shows that show us in diverse situations. If the black/white couple is the only "normal" couple on every supernatural or sci-fi show then it will pretty quickly become apparent that they are the "boring" couple.

QueenOfThePen 301 pts

Now that Black women are beginning to own their image many will find it very uncomfortable to accept our new and everlasting power.  As with anything that begins to change, people will lash out because they are so used to Black women being portrayed as Mammys.  They'll be okay.  If not?  Oh, well!!!

My latest conversation: Come On! Can’t You Give A Brotha A Break?