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First off, bookmark this thread.

Second, this is going to be a thread dedicated to “Scandal” because of the insanely high amount of fans we have on this blog who watch the show. Feel free to post your comments, hunches and conspiracy theories, but we’ll only have one rule–if you are discussing the current week’s episode on the same day it airs, please post *********SPOILER************** at the top of your comment so that readers who haven’t yet seen the show– and who have an amount of self-control I can’t comprehend–can choose whether or not they want to be let in on said spoiler.

So, since we’re starting this thread after last week’s action, I’ll start the conversation. Who do you think shot Fitz?

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    • @ASwirlGirl I am not a tv watcher. In fact while we do own a monitor  that we use for disks and streaming from the internet we do not watch cable or network TV.  I got hooked on this show last season and it is the only one I watch. I catch it the next morning via HULU.
       
      I like the White House intirgue and of course OLITZ.  The scandal of the week leave me flat however and I could do with them.

  3. Chris to answer your question.  I think that the Governor of MD paid Charlie to gun down Fitz.

    • @Brenda55 Me too! If it wasn’t him, it was Hollis. I think Charlie’s the shooter, but can’t for the life of me figure out why it took 4 shots. Isn’t he an assassin? Can’t he do better than that? This made me wonder if the governor did the job himself. He seemed crazy enough.

  4. Thank you for starting this thread Christelyn! Nothing like something fun, light…and a VERY good show…to de-stress from the day. Thanks again. 🙂

      • @dani-BBW  @okayillgetu I had to look…<face plant on desk>
        Is it Thursday night yet? Is it, Is it? I WILL need popcorn, or chocolate or something for this one.

        • @MyBetterSelf  @dani-BBW  @okayillgetu I am staying strong.  I have been hearing about this episode since summer. Every one connected with this show says it is no less than awsome. I want the full shock value connected with it.  The spoilers are all over the place today and I am not looking. 
           
          I won’t see it until Friday morning so I may, no I will,  stay off the boards so that everyone else can discuss it freely.  That is only fair.

        • @Brenda55  @MyBetterSelf  @dani-BBW  @okayillgetu  I’m behind so I’m gonna catch up before the episode airs. I intend to flail along with everyone else. 😀

  6. I can’t say. I’ve already missed 2 or 3 episodes which really sucks. Soooo, I’m going to take a stab at it and saaay Cyrus had him shot.  ****shrug****

  8. Any of you other Scandalholic not feeling Sen Pudding Pop aka Edison as much as I am. 
    I so cannot wait for him to get out of Liv’s life.

    • @Brenda55 I like him. He seems like a good guy and he’s his own man. I also liked that he didn’t go along with what Olivia wanted him to do for her client, and I think he was right.

      • @AndreaLThorsen I think he is trying way to hard to get back with Liv. I don’t trust him.

        • @Brenda55 You make a good point. It’s possible that he only wants her to help his political career, but they were seriously involved years before and they still haven’t explained why they broke up. In any case, it probably won’t last long or end well.

    • @Brenda55 True that. She needs someone with a bit more spark and fire. He’s a nice guy. Seemingly a good guy. That’s a sensible juxtaposition against the heat with Fitz. It can’t last though.

      • @MyBetterSelf
        Well I know that Norm Lewis is not going to be a regular on the show and will more than likely be gone by the end of the season.  He has already book another acting job for next year. 
         
        A another poster on the IMDb Scandal blog came up with a great theory however about how, now that Sen Pudding Pop is speaker of the House he is in line to be POTUS now that Fitz is fighting for his life and will because of his current position have some say as to whether Ftiz stayes president.  I smell Liv being all in the middle of this one.

    • @Brenda55 Totally not feeling him; he doesn’t have that kind of “er” (translated as smoldering sexiness) Fitz

  9. His wife! I could be wrong but it was odd how she tried to stop them from exiting the car at the last minute. Cold feet? Change of heart? So many possibilities, that’s why this show “ROCKS”!

    • @Karla00  HA! I was going to say that…but I didn’t.  But I totally agree with you.

    • @Karla00 I am not seeing that. Millie still love Fitz. She is mad at him but that is because he is all up on Liv.  That is over…….. for a few seconds cause you know Fitz is not finished with that.  I do not see what she gains by having him dead.

      • @Brenda55  @Karla00 I don’t know, Brenda. I don’t believe that Fitz and Millie ever loved each other. There have been moments between the two when they have both stated that quite clearly. They simply shared an agenda. And now that she knows that he can’t resist Olivia, she would be better off politically as the widow of the POTUS rather than the cast aside ex-wife once he leaves office. It just makes good political sense for her to rid herself of him while she is at her most sympathetic (preggers). AND she would no longer have to deal with Cyrus.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @Karla00 
          Now THAT is some cold calculation….even for Millie. Don’t think I could off my old man. Not even for the White House.
           
          I think her behavior in the care was a premonition of sorts. Some people can sense when something tragic is about to happen.  Like those folks who sense something bad about a flight they are about to take and decide to miss the flight and then the plane crashes killing all on board.
           
          I used to see stuff like that happen all the time when I worked in the hospital.  The patient would dream that they died during surgery tell us nurses and we would try to reassure the patient but we knew the score. They nearly always did actually die during surgery.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @Brenda55  @Karla00 For some reason, Kathy Bates in “Misery” comes to mind–get him wounded and keep him close. What if Mellie did set this up; but only intending to wound him? There are plenty of guys like Charlie and Huck around who could do the job with the kind of precision required  (not implying either of them had a hand in it…well, maybe Charlie 😉 ) She’s got double-public empathy and support then: pregnant and now caring for her husband the president as he recovers.
           
          Whoever’s responsible, I’m just loving the ride!  It’s like “who shot J.R.?” (original Dallas series)  for the 21st century but without the over-the-summer wait…and hopefully a far more satisfying answer!

        • @MyBetterSelf  @AndreaLThorsen  @Brenda55  @Karla00 The question is will we find out this week or are the writers going to have fun with this and draw it out a few episodes?

  10. Hmm….I don’t have a clue just yet as to who shot Fitz, but it’s quite obvious that the First Lady is behind it.  I just can’t figure out whom she’s conspired with.  It may be a character who has not yet been introduced to the show.  
     
    I’m also loving the voting machine scandal storyline!  Someone is about to get busted!
     
    Okay…is it just me or does Harrison need a hookup?  Every other employee of Olivia Pope’s firm (including the creepy Huck) has had a hookup on the show, yet he gets no love!  He is too fine to not have a girlfriend.  He needs to get “boo’d” up soon!  🙂

    • @BlackGirlNerds I like the voting machine angle. James is going to get dead if he is not careful. Lets see.  He passes his info to David who impounds the voting machine and starts an official inviestigation that puts his life at risk. Hollis has James smoked for snooking around which pisses off Cyrus which…..even Liv can’t fix this one.

      • @Brenda55  @BlackGirlNerds …and Charlie ends up with a few more “jobs” I agree re: James, David and poking their noses into the secret doing of the inner circle. I almost thought someone would come for James in the warehouse.

      • @Brenda55  @BlackGirlNerds …and Charlie ends up with a few more “jobs”.   I agree re: James, David and poking their noses into the secret doings of the inner circle. I almost thought someone would come for James in the warehouse.

        • @MyBetterSelf  @BlackGirlNerds I really am digging the whole voting machine fraud angle because it is plausable. I don’t know how the two handle this.  James prints the story of give the information to David who begins an official investigation. Either way my guess the story get buried.

    • @BlackGirlNerds I like Harrison and I second that. This series has made me like Columbus Short more as an actor, he seemed kind of goofy or young before. His charm is so funny on the show!

    • @BlackGirlNerds Am I the only one who sees that they might put Harrison and Abby together? I wonder if out of his guilt for messing with her thing with the DA. For a while I thought him and Quinn might hook up but I’m not sure how long she’s gonna last given the fact that she’s starting to connect the dots.

    • @Brenda55When this aired I yelled, “Don’t open it Fitz! Don’t open it! Don’t open it! Damn, he opened it.” Ugh. So heartbreaking.

    • @Brenda55 Before I watched season 1, I didn’t like Fitz at all. AT ALL! I thought he was a whiny brat abusing his presidential power to hoe around and play games with Olivia. Now I understand their history a bit more and I like that they show him as a flawed man. I think a lot of guys would have that reaction in private.

  12. YAY Chris! I was getting worried we were gonna forget. @Brenda55 I don’t know if you saw my comment in the other thread about Season 1 Episode 6 but here it is:
    My. Goodness!!!
             “Well let’s be inappropriate.”
              “Say my name.”
               “Fitz…”
              “Take off your clothes.”
     
    *passes out after having watched Episode 6 at least 20 times*

  13. Mellie had to have had something to do with Fitz getting shot! What publicity hungry woman wouldn’t want to get out of the car to celebrate the birthday of her husband – the president of the United States? I think the shooter is the spy from a few episodes ago, who stuck around DC even though all of the other spies went back to their normal lives and Huck went to some radio tower.

  14. Yay! I’m so glad this thread was created!
     
    Even though I can’t for the life of me guess why it took 4 shots, I think Charlie’s the shooter. A few episodes back he called in and said he was ready to get back to work. The question is, who’s he working for this time? That lunatic Hollis has my vote. The governor who shot his wife’s lover is a close runner up. Third option is someone who’s deep in the mix that we don’t know yet – Billy’s dead (we think) so it can’t be him.
     
    I honestly don’t think Mellie is diabolical enough to order a hit on the POTUS. She may have known about the possibility of it coming, but I don’t think she ordered it. “If you see her again, I’ll blow you away,” was a great set-up to implicate her in the minds of the fans, though!
     
    James needs to watch his back. Hollis is gon’ get him for that voting machine story he’s researching.

      • @dani-BBW@WorldTravelingChic
        Don’t see how that works.  Billy just can’t fall of the face of the earth.  He was in a pretty prominent position.  I don’t see Charlie going up in that elevator with him and not doing what he set out to do.

        • @Brenda55  @WorldTravelingChic I don’t know, when I was watching the extras the writers say they make it up as they go along and no one knows where it’s all going. Huck convinced Charlie to take Billy out but it wasn’t shown on screen for some reason, I think the writers wanted to leave it open. Why wouldn’t there be an investigation into Billy’s disappearance or at least a mention of his suicide?

        • @dani-BBW  @WorldTravelingChic I think he is dead.  The actor who played him, Matt Letscher,  is working on another series the “The Carrie Diaries.” which is currently on TV.
           
          His brother is still on Scandal however.

        • @Brenda55  @dani-BBW He’s also listed on IMDB as only being around for 6 episodes.

  16. we have to eliminate the obvious and that would be Mellie (I think she received a tip or something though and maybe didn’t take it serious until the moment of exit ).  The other obvious choice is the oil tycoon, so it’s not him.  I think there is no way to know for sure based on how the show unravels information; so, I think the upcoming episodes will HAVE  to REVEAL NEW HISTORY to understand and know who shot him.  The only other person I can think of would be the Rogue Vice president’s chief of staff guy-(can’t remember his name).  Well that’s my insight, I enjoy everyone’s thoughts. 🙂

    • @Steven27 Cy wold never hurt Fitz. Hell, he’s killed to protect the man’s image and presidency. The two people with the most to gain from his demise is the extremist / hypocrite Vice President – who could never get elected on her own, and his wife – who desperately wants political power of her own. No one else we’ve seen, so far, directly benefits from Fitz’s death. No one. In fact, a lot of folks would find themselves on the losing end if intolerant VP Sally were to take his place.

      • @AndreaLThorsen Hi AndreaLThorsen, I am sorry I didn’t know the name.  However, I am not referring to Cyrus at all; He’s the White House Chief of staff.  I am referring to  Billy Chambers, the former Chief of staff to the Vice president. I had to do some digging, I couldn’t remember his name-sorry for any confusion.  
         
        Now, I know Billy is supposed to be dead but the show never showed that specifically but they made us think he was about to be axed in the elevator.  So, with this kind of show (a show where writers can write just about anything and make it plausible), Billy Chambers could be someone who would want revenge on Fitz AND a someone who wants to make his lady Vice President the next President.   Right now, Billy Chambers is the only person I can think of beyond having to get NEW HISTORY from the show.  
         
        You mentioned the Vice president herself.   I agree and I think she is a possibility, but I didn’t see that from her character, meaning it would be out of character for her to be behind it – but still a possibility.  
         
        I am also wondering if we are even going to find out this week who is behind the shooting as the writers may stretch it out a few weeks.  So we”ll see.  Thanks for responding 🙂

        • @Steven27  @AndreaLThorsen I agree! Billy’s death wasn’t shown on camera for SOME reason. He might not resurface til next season but I really don’t think he’s dead.

        • @dani-BBW  @Steven27 I would be very surprised if Charlie had decided to let Billy live. He’s a killer who loves killing. That’s why he’s the only one still doing it for money. What would he get out of keeping Billy alive? And how did he fool everyone into believing that Billy committed suicide? And wouldn’t he fear the consequences –>Huck finishing what he started? Doesn’t really seem worth Charlie’s while to disappoint Huck, IMHO.

        • @Steven27  @AndreaLThorsen  I don’t think we will find out this week… I think they revealed on their Facebook page or blog… somewhere, that a suspect would be revealed.  So I’m thinking nothing will be confirmed.  I might be wrong, though…

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @Steven27 Who believes that Billy committed suicide? Has that mentioned in Season 2 so far, I could have missed a subtle reference. To me, he just kind of went away. Maybe he offered to pay Charlie to leave him alive or something. And Charlie was slipping, Huck caught him on that traffic cam.

    • @Steven27  Oh I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought of Billy Chambers.  I was starting to think I was crazy!  Billy was such a good character too.  I just can’t believe Mellie had anything to do with it and Hollis seems so obvious.   Although Huck thought that the other assassin was hired by Billy, he was actually hired by Cyrus (which I always forget since Cyrus is one of my favorite characters).  We never saw Billy “offed” so who knowws what happened between those two – a deal might have been made… who knows .  It wouldn’t make sense for Hollis to get rid of the President just for the upstanding VP to take his place when Hollis was fighting against Edison to become House Majority leader for that very same reason.  The other assassin, Huck’s nemesis, should be involved in some way… of course not the brains behind the operation, but his phone call at the end of the “Spies” episode seemed to leave us hanging.

      • @EmilySpring Awesome deduction Emily!  I’m glad I’m not the only one either.  Thanks for reminding me about Charlie’s phone call, he’s basically in town for a while now-“working/killing.” I thought the same thing about Charlie–it’s so plausible he could be the shooter but not the “brains.”  The writers have so much freedom with this show that it will be very interesting to see how they handle this.  Can’t wait to see what is revealed tonight. 🙂

  17. Just a reminder to all you Scandalholics and Gladiators. Bookmark this page so that you can easily find it as the season continues. There is a lot to talk about in upcoming episodes.

  18. Hey all! for anyone who missed the past couple episodes the abc website has the past episodes. I was pretty shocked to see Fitz shot like that at the end. I’m not sure who the orchestrator behind it all is yet. SPOILER Some people say Millie is to blame but I really don’t think she would do that especially with all the work that went into fixing the election with the others. Also here’s a sneak peek of the upcoming episode
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqJvehCCi4  , My somebody who is hiding a hidden agenda. Yes, I thought about the oil tycoon guy for a minute but if he had Fitz shot he would also lose a lot of people in his political court. Hmm I’m really curious to see how everything pans out. I also feel kinda bad for Senator Davis, with Fitz shot Olivia is going to be pretty conflicted in her feelings

    • @Skayi
      Nah.  Loads of people hate the adultery angle and that is cool.  What is not and what gets people in trouble wit the Olitz fans is attempting to do the whole “Church Lady” bit and guilt people into changing their minds.  For a lot of us this is just a TV show and no more.  This is not a teaching moment.  It is just entertainment. This is one of those agree to disagree thing.
       
      There is another group on the blogs that wants to make this a Woman’s Study thing or a Race thing. Again it is cool to agree to disagree but trying to convert folks usually ends up in a argument. This is make believe and escapism. Most OLITZ fans are in for the ride and the cliff hangers….oh they think Tony Goldwyn is hotter than the sun so it is not that deep.

      • @Brenda55  @Skayi  “This is not a teaching moment.  It is just entertainment. This is one of those agree to disagree thing.”Exactly.  Comparing the themes with other shows in this genre on ABC… it’s actually pretty benign.  REVENGE is absolutely crazy… you’re talking the lead female actress beating, kicking and shooting people to death.  Sleeping with people for information… I mean the list goes on, but she is still the unquestioned heroine.  This is the genre… OLIVIA, as the PROTAGANIST, is going to have to have a major fault or else the how would you write this genre of drama?

    • @Skayi I don’t care much for their relationship (though I do like their chemistry and scenes together) and wish it would either end while he is still married or he leave his wife for her. I didn’t like Fitz much at first, but once I saw the backstory from Season 1 I got much more comfortable with their relationship given his kind of weird “open” marriage with Mellie and I saw some of his redeeming qualities. I can’t cosign the adultery though, it’s incredibly destructive on the other woman. You can get shut out at any time…

      • @dani-BBW  @Skayi Even though they’re still in love with each other, they haven’t slept together since she left the White House and started Pope and Associates.

      • @dani-BBW  @ART-GIRL  I did not look at that clip but your reaction is all I need to know. Fitz put it on girlfriend hard did’nt he?

        • @dani-BBW  @ART-GIRL  HOT DAMN!!!!! 
          Don’t know about KW but I think TG has a little too much fun filming thos scenes.  He tweeted on the summer that this one was major hot.

        • @Brenda55  @ART-GIRL  I totally agree! Did you see that interview where he kissed Kerry – TWICE? And their body language during joint interviews is always angled toward each other. He is enjoying every second of this role and being able to get away with all of this! I saw somewhere that he had a sexy role with Lynn Whitfield several years ago too.

    • @ART-GIRL  I watched this just now at work.  I think I need a drink of cold water…LOL!

  21. Just wanted to let all you know I’m stalking Tony Goldwyn on twitter so back off lol.  I like to chat about Scandal during and after the show so I won’t be posting cuz I don’t want to spoil it for anyone; enjoy the show tomorrow 🙂
     
    I think Charlie is the hit man, who hired him I don’t know(Hollis, Billy if he’s not dead or the Vice President)Huck should’ve killed Charlie when he had the chance.

    • @jamaica68 Back Off on TG?
      Not happening.
       
      As far as Huck. It probibly would have been better if he got rid of Charliee but Huck is trying to get right because he love killing so much.
       
      What do you think about his new GF? There is another person who pushed up hard on a member of OPA. I think she is a plant and is up to no good. (Well who isn’t on this show?) What do you bet she ends up under the 14th Street bridge just like Amanda Tanner.

      • @Brenda55 Cocaine is what most of scandal twitter fans call Hucks “gf” cuz no one knows her name lol anyway I thought it was weird that Huck and cocaine were parked outside of a stranger’s house or was that a stranger on their first date, who does that?  I think cocaine is just trading one fix for another but I could be wrong, the writers have you thinking one thing and then do something totally unexpected.  If cocaine is a plant she will end up like Amanda cuz Huck don’t play that lol.  Huck is getting sloppy because of cocaine, remember when he left the info on his computer about David meeting the guy in the coffee shop; Abby saw it and went running to David to let him know.  Then last week when Quinn was asking him all those questions, she’s putting it all together about what happened to her.

      • @dani-BBW  Boy, are they star-crossed.
         
        Yes, they most certainly are. Not only do they wreak havoc on each other’s emotions, but on the viewers as well. Kerry Washington and Tony Goldwyn are excellent in these roles, and the show just seems to get better each week.

  23. I think that Hollis Doyle ordered the hit because he got tired of ‘reminding’ everyone about how much they owe him.

    • @WilliamHogan That’s not a smart way to collect on a debt. Just ask a loan shark. LOL. Especially since the President likely knows nothing about the cabal whose membership includes his nearest and dearest.

      • @AndreaLThorsen  I agree Doyle isn’t that stupid, he likes being able to walk into the White House as if he owned the place.  He would lose all of that if he had Pres. Grant killed; plus, we already know Cyrus is not a man to cross if Fitz is dead Cyrus would unleash the hounds of hell on Doyle.  Doyle would however, have James (Cy’s husband) killed in a heartbeat.  Men like Doyle prefer the indirect (but effective) approach to getting what they desire.
         
        My theory as someone stated is a new (but old) player such as the supposedly dead Billy Chambers so that VP Sally Langston can step into the role as President.  She is bound to be still upset with Fitz uncovering her daughter’s indiscretion (abortion @ 13 yrs. old) and using it to bring her to heel.  Of course, Charlie is a possible pawn as well, but as someone else mentioned he is an assassin one shot is all he would need.

        • @MadamCJCPA Whoever shot the president did not want him to die immediately, or they’re just not that good at assassination. Every real president who was successfully assassinated, and whose name I can remember, was shot in the head. Why shoot Fitz in the chest?
           
          I can hardly wait to find out who pulled the trigger and who pulled the strings.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @MadamCJCPA Yeah from the promo it looked like other people were hit, one appeared to be a woman. Pretty sloppy.

    • @WilliamHogan ****** spoiler **********
      Well this episode definitely proves Hollis is cold-blooded and calculating enough to do it. Messy explosion, and framing the-woman-now-know-as Quinn. Wow!

  24. THANK YOU for this thread Christelyn now I have somewhere to go to voice my theories and suspcions.

    • @MadamCJCPA  Child… Afterbuzztv SCANDAL on itunes and youtbe… saved my SCANDAL life.  It’s great for people who want to catch up on Season One (on Netflix), who need to talk about it, but are behind most in viewing. I was wondering when BBW was going to cover it!I always have trouble signing in, but I was going to find a way this time!

  26. What I really want to know is how Mellie found out about Liv & Fitz, her process to deduce that it was best for Fitz and therefore their political future, and how she started to endorse it. She couldn’t have been happy about it at first, unless she and Fitz had some kind of agreement for years? That doesn’t seem likely though because when it was reported that she was having an affair during the campaign she said something like “I would never…” and Fitz just looked annoyed. Like, “please have an affair and leave me alone,” LOL.

    • @dani-BBW Well, we got our answer as to the first question. Looks like Mellie found out (or had it explicitly confirmed beyond the point of denial) after they got into the White House. Hal is a loser.

        • @Brenda55 Yeah I agree she definitely had her suspicions all along but whatever Hal said about the pin made it get to the point where she had to face up to it. Um, your husband has access to the original Constitution and took Olivia, not you, to see it. That has to hurt. And so her way of controlling the situation and saving face in her own mind was to let Olivia know that she knew.

  27. Tony Goldwyn talking about Scandal: “[It] is even better than the week before,” said Goldwyn. “You find out a lot about a lot of things. It’s really great television.”

  28. Tony has too much damn swag to be 52 years old. Damn him and Dylan McDermott now i am checking for 50 year old ass white men with hairy chests. LOL
    I like how Fitz stalk walks Olivia’s ass like a lion creeping up on her ass in the wild. (lol)

  29. Chris….I LOVE YOU FOR THIS THREAD!…..Now as to who I think shot Fitz some one already mentioned it but it’s possible that it could be Billy Chambers.

  30. I have gotten my mother hooked on this show.  Neither of us has any good theories on who shot Fitz though.
     
    I just hope that nothing happens to Cyrus’ husband James and all his snooping.  They’re so funny and entertaining together.  I about fell to the floor and died laughing when he complained about not getting his “fat squishy baby” as promised!
     
    Also the chemistry between Kerry Washington and TG is amazing!  Like fan the face, clutch the pearls hot 🙂  I love it when the actors have that connection.  Although sometimes it makes those who don’t practically painful to watch.

    • @Lilith_Eve Yes, Shonda Rhimes did an amazing job casting the main characters. And I like that she keeps her actors employed from one series to the next (Cyrus, Sally, Tony). Tony Goldwyn has directed several Gray’s and Private Practice episodes over the years.

      • @AndreaLThorsen  @Lilith_Eve  I love that too Andrea… soooo communal!  That’s just one of the many reasons I’m very proud of her.   I mean Jeff Perry (Cyrus Beene) alone, could have EASILY been typecast as a wimpy character (Meredith Grey’s father) after Grey’s, but Rhimes totally flipped his persona around and turned him into a “monster” that you can’t help but look forward to watching…. gotta love it!

    • @Lilith_Eve Aren’t they funny?
      ‘Oh, did you want to talk to him? Coz I’m engaged now, I can go plan something.’ ROFLMAO.
       
      Kinda sad to know in hindisght that he didn’t get his fat squishy baby.

  31. Long time lurker and first time poster but I just had to post today after seeing that spoiler. I’m watching at UK Pace. In fact they aired season 1 episode 6 last week so this really is a major spoiler. I’m going to wait till they air the season 1 finale and then I’ll download the season 2 episodes.
     
    I have to say, at first I wasn’t that convinced about Olitz but after watching season 1 episode 6, I’m completely hooked and I really want those two together.

    • Welcome @theponds!  I felt the same way about “The Ponds” from Dr. Who as you did about “Olitz” at first, now I’m going to miss Amy & Rory.  Alex Kingston just appeared in an episode of NCIS and when I saw her I was like, “OMG it’s River Song!”

  32. Ya’ll we are gonna have to form a support group when they go on winter break cuz this show…….whew(lol)

    • @Bellydancer I’ll be fine, I have season 1 on DVD and I have all the episodes of season 2 on my DVR I’ll just keep rewatching lol

    • @Bellydancer I might need a support group just for tonight’s episode.  My emotions are all kinds of twisted right now.  I don’t want to say anymore to give the others a chance to watch and catch-up.  I swear I will zip my lip until Saturday and then I’m going to need to share.

  34. So, I’m watching this episode.  I was quite impressed with Fitz’ willingness to hit the deck for his lady love…big ups from the ‘oral gods’…. I

    • @DarlingNikki69 Did you see how his hand went straight for the boobie when he grabbed her in the Oval Office?  I know what kind of a man Pres. Grant is.

  38. What in the world. I am not even gonna be able to handle this show anymore. That’s who shot Fitz?!?!
     
    Those scenes between Olivia and Fitz … too ridiculous. I’m going to have to watch it again tomorrow morning.

  41. OMG! OMG! OMG! That guy was always strange to me. Could it be possible that he was hired by Fitz wifey, OR did he do it because he’s inlove with Livey too. ((shrug))

      • @MyBetterSelf  @AminahMatthews I agree, I think it’s a red herring.  Huck is not amoral but he is damaged.  And Fitz would be dead not wounded if he meant to kill him or even shot him.  I am not quite sure how such a precise description got out so quickly.  It sounded like a plant to me, like someone set him up.

    • @dani-BBW Great minds…. I was thinking the exact same thing when Huck was revealed as the shooter! And since I have season 1 on DVD I went back and watched that episode where he talked about what they did to him to make him enjoy torturing and killing people. I think this may be the case. Makes sense. Also, Huck knows that Olivia is in love with the President, so he would not hurt her by killing him, without some serious prompting.

  43. WhatheHUCK!! I can’t believe Huck was hired to shoot him!! This has got to be Sally’s doing!

    • @courtney7389 Can you put a SPOILER  alert on this or edit it for the other ladies that haven’t watched as of yet?

    • @dani-BBW ITA. 
      I’m so glad that she  made that reference, and that she had Fitz call Olivia out on it. When the show first aired last season a blogger unfairly criticized the show and tried to diminish the appeal of Olivia and Fitz by making that very same comparison. It was a low blow, and I’m glad that Shonda stood up for herself and her story.

        • @dani-BBW @ART-GIRL Definitely! It brings everything back to center and re-focuses on the as-intended storyline between these two characters versus what some segments of the viewing audience want to mis-label

  47. Real talk, if someone took me to see original US docs, I’d stop playing hard to get. Game over! I’m all in! Take me wherever you please – Oval Office, on Lincoln Monument, in Washington Monument… okay!

  48. SPOILER:
     
     
    Shanda Rhimes must be reading the race critics comments! First she gave Olivia a Black boyfriend like they all wanted (totally boring with no passion) and then she totally addressed the racial thing. She totally nailed it with that Sally Hemmings commentary. People too focused on race use things like that to push others away. They are not Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings! Black women have to stop thinking of them as slaves to every White man who wants to date them because they are not. It’s actually ridiculous to think like that. It was so Brilliant! I was so shocked I just gasped when it was brought up. Well Done Ms. Rhimes! I hope that it is the only time that is addressed. and the critics realize how ridiculous they are.
     
    That was the most exciting episode ever! It was so hot  too…yeah I’ll be watching this one a few times. Also, the shooter…why?????

    • @Elegance It was good to see Olivia give as good as she had been getting. The whole “no… we shouldn’t do this” was getting old.

    • @Elegance 
      Yes, Elegance. You are so right. I was so insulted with the comparison because Liv is so not Sally. Liv has so much power in her own right that Sally was never afforded. So I just wanted people to shut up about the comparison. It was crazy.
       
      People need to wake the hell up and realize we are living in the 21st century gearing up to head into 2013!

      • @BeautyIAM  @Elegance The only people making these slavery comparisons are the Black folks who want to keep BW in our proverbial “place”.
         
        Not long ago there was an article about Scandal on Clutch (a BW’s e-zine where BM rule) with some middle aged BM (and some younger ones too) complaining that Olivia Pope’s character was “making BW look loose”. LOL.
        Where are all these BM and their efforts to protect the BW’s image when other BM are calling us gold diggers, b*tches and hos? Where are they when we are negatively stereotyped, or completely absent, in 99.9% of all American TV shows and movies? But let them witness a positive, multi-faceted, HUMAN image of us being displayed to the TV watching world and suddenly they want to protect our image. Right.
         
        I’m glad that Shonda Rhimes answered the criticism of her show with one of the most romantic scenes in television history, but personally, I could not care less what people who make stupid slave analogies think. There are many people who view Scandal and it’s success as a threat.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @Elegance 
           
          “Where are all these BM and their efforts to protect the BW’s image when other BM are calling us gold diggers, b*tches and hos? Where are they when we are negatively stereotyped, or completely absent, in 99.9% of all American TV shows and movies? But let them witness a positive, multi-faceted, HUMAN image of us being displayed to the TV watching world and suddenly they want to protect our image. Right.”
           
          I know right. Where are they??? These same dudes that complain are more than okay to go with the negative stereotypes that are thrown at BW from BM. But as soon as we see a man who just so happens to be white loving a BW all of a sudden they want to come in a “save the day”. LOL. Negros be trippin!
           
          “Not long ago there was an article about Scandal on Clutch (a BW’s e-zine where BM rule)”
           
          That’s one of my main issues with the magazine. I was really disheartened when I realized the magazine was more than okay to let these BM come in and high jack so many of the articles and start crying woe is me. They lost me as a regular reader.

  50. SPOILER ALERT:
    I just saw a theory that Huck actually shot whoever shot Fitz because the shell casings were all over the place, which means he was turning and shooting, not rapidly shooting at one semi-stationary target.  What did the preview say, when he was talking to Olivia? Did he say “people think I shot the President, there’s nowhere to go” or “I shot the president, there’s nowhere to go” ?

    • @dani-BBW Heard a VERY good theory that had the assassination attempt as a red herring; it was really a hit on the Press Secretary because of the fact that she had the info regarding the vote rig. I have to rewatch the episode but it look like she was hit and she was nowhere near Fitz. I kind of buy it.
       
      Huck is TOO accurate of a killer to just shoot random people to get at Fitz. If he wanted to kill him, he could have went for the head. I think Fitz was a sacrificial lamb for the cause of tying up lose ends. 
       
      That is, assuming he dies, and I don’t think he will.

      • @Toni_M I can get with this. Fitz got shot first, then the Press sec after she turned around to look in the direction of the shots. The Fitz was shot again. 
         
        And why did the Pres limo peel off like that? It was kind of weird.

        • @dani-BBW@Toni_M
          That is what is suppose to happen.  They get the president back in the armored car pile on top of him and get out of there.

        • @Brenda55  oh ok. In one of the earlier angles, I thought it took off before he got back in. I love how they shot/showed that scene. Choppy and from different angles where you progressively learned more about the actual event.

    • @dani-BBW My sister came up with the same scenario (that Huck’s protecting someone else or killed off someone else who was actually the shooter).

  51. **********SPOILER************      I think Huck is a “red herring” as far as being the shooter of the President goes.  The “red hoodie” makes it symbolic.

    • @Steven27 Agreed. Seriously, why would you wear a RED hoodie if you’re going to assassinate someone? Ever heard of being inconspicuous? And, if you’re an assassin and a spy, why four shots?
       
      Shonda ain’t right for implicating my man Huck, though. 🙂

    • @Steven27
      Huck also left evidence.  He left the shells with his finger prints all over them under the chair seat.  What professional assassin does that? 
       
      Something is very wrong with this picture.  Episode 9 is a must see.

      • @Brenda55 excellent point!  Something is so off with him being the shooter, right?.  The only thing about it is, I counted 5 shots, he is looking for a fifth bullet, and the gun is pointed down toward the area of the president.  That bothers me.  Now I tried to see if his weapon has a silencer on it and is sorta looks like he has one on- but it seems very small for such a high powered weapon.  Too small if it is.  It is really hard to tell.  If I had to guess, I’d say it is not a silencer.  If there was a silencer, it would prove he wasn’t the shooter. Well it was a great episode with Olitz.  I still think Huck is red herring, though.  We’ll see.  E9 is so far a way-lol.

        • @Steven27 ……Or it could mean that Huck was not the shooter.  We really do not know what Huck was shooting at oR if he were even any where near FAPOTUS. 
           
          I have a funny feeling  that SSA Hal had somethng to do with Fitz getting shot.

  53. Shonda Rhimes is a freaking genius. I agree that Huck wouldn’t have missed the first time. There so many intricate plots, you never know what’s going to happen. I can’t wait for next week. Fitz and Olivia practically melted my computer screen. Some people are saying the rose garden scenes were cheesy, but I loved the dialogue. Brilliant. Whoever picks the clothes for the Kerry Washington is doing a great job, btw.

  55. Holy SH&^&^%&*&$%^$#%#@%$#$%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
     
    Basically my reaction at the end.
     
    Then the love scenes…YES! Just YES 😀

  56. Oh and the fact that Shonda addressed the Sally Hemmings and Thomas Jefferson reference that critics wanted to throw out….YEEESSSSS! So happy she addressed it the way she did. OMG! Fitz just told her how crazy it was for her to insinuate that. I was really shocked when Olivia said it to Fitz. Then when they were in the Rose Garden and Fitz is pouring out his feelings to her I was like you tell her Fitz! Race is so beside the point in their relationship. Yes, its terrible that he is having an affair. And there really is no excuse for what they are doing. But when Fitz tells it like it is to Liv, I was done. DONE.

    • @BeautyIAM
      Agreed. I am so glad they got the whole Sally Hemming bullshit out in the open and put it to bed. This will not silence the critics about the interracial aspect of the OLITZ relationship however.
      Kerry Washington has been accused of being “white washed” and called every name that black women who are involved with white men get called. Adultery or not OLITZ is a love match and has nothing to do with what ever relationship the third POTUS had with Ms Hemming. Times have changed and w change along with them.

      • @Brenda55 
         
        Yup. Typical scare tactics. But we are not scared so people can just let it go. When we have someone like Shonda putting dumb@$$ people in their place, its all good 😀

  57. OH MY GOSH!!!!!! I can’t read, I can’t read!! Oh là, oh là, oh là là! I want to, but I don’t want to read this thread. I can’t watch it :'( I’ve only seen the first two episodes of this season. And it sucks because the website I used stopped working. I remember I watched the whole of season 1 online earlier this year, in like a 12 hour sitting. I called my sibling even with the time difference. 
     
    I love this show!! Damnit I wanna watch! :'(  :'( :'(

    • @LovingMyself go to http://www.1channel.ch/ —> TV shows, —–>type Scandal, then use putlocker or sockshare for streaming.  Both seasons are there.  maybe hulu will have it too.

  59. That Rose Garden scene with Fitz and Liv.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODY6KjtLFzs

      Did Tony bring it home or what? This man is not confused and knows EXACTLY what he feels and who he wants.  What woman would not want her man to say those things that way to her?
     
    Liv stop cutting up and hit that. Do it for all of us who can’t.

    • @Brenda55So true. That was an amazing scene. They were yelling at each other, and it just reinforced their need and desire for each other. It was one of the most romantic scenes I’ve seen on video in a long time. Great writing! Fitz really drove home how vulnerable his love for her leaves him.
      Tony brought his A-game last night. He should get an Emmy nomination for his work on this show [oh yeah, Kerry, too – but I always like her work].

    • @Brenda55 
       
      LOVED it!
       
      I just hope women don’t get confused by this because I’m already seeing comments like “I wish a man would say this to me.”
       
      This is make believe and its important that people realize that. Its difficult for me to see a man really say all this. Not to say that a man would never say this to a woman that he loves, but this is a FICTIONAL DRAMA. 
       
      I just think its weird if women start holding up their BF’s to the standard of a fictional character.

      • @BeautyIAM  @Brenda55 Yeah, that’s probably why most guys hate romantic comedies and dramas. They don’t want to be compared to a fictional character, just like women don’t want to be compared to porn stars.

  60. Well I think we need to get ready for Fitz to have amnesia and not remember Liv. 🙁  Huck is a paid assassin, does he not have any limits?  Did he need the money? So many questions.  Next week is the last episode this year so get ready for another rollercoaster.  I’m exhausted, I stayed up until 1:30am watching it again.

    • @jamaica68 I was thinking this too! I really hope not. OR he could be in a coma forever and ever. But if he did have amnesia, we’d watch him fall in love with Olivia all over again, and you;d know they are fated. Kind of like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, one of my favorite movies ever.

      • @dani-BBW  @jamaica68 I think Huck is involved, maybe in a weird way, to keep the POTUS alive. Kinda like, “If I shoot him in x-spot, that’s gonna spin him just so, and the other killer’s (Charlie’s) next bullet will ‘only’ get him in y-spot.”
        I’m thinking of going back to count up how many bullets he retrieved, but don’t have the time tonite.

        • @dani-BBW  @jamaica68 cartridges shells he retrieved during his packing up. One is somewhere in that armchair…

    • @jamaica68 I wondered if they might do amnesia but that is so “soap opera,” and so played out over the last 30-40 years of tv history-lol.  It would cheapens the show for me.  I am hoping they don’t go there. Yeah, that would be so sad too as I am rooting for Fitz and Olivia to be together somehow.

    • @jamaica68 I hope not. That’s just to soapish. If anything, I want him to wake up and not remember Mellie. LOL

    • @jamaica68 
       
      *Deep Sigh*
       
      I really really really hope this doesn’t happen. I would be so bummed. Like really Shonda….come one woman. REALLY.

  62. In light of last night’s episode, who else wants to EVENTUALLY see Fitz re-elected, then immediately get a quick divorce from his wench wife, then court and Marry Olivia, making Olivia FIRST LADY!   Ok, I just had to say that.  I know it wouldn’t happen.  Anyone else want that too?  Oh, and also see Cyrus
    (I actually like his character, except for the killing stuff) and oil tycoon in orange jump suits.

  63. My theory:  The FLOTUS conspired with that newly sworn in nutcase to do it.  Remember how she begged Fitz not to go?  She had a change of heart or momentary nerves.  Remember when Liv came up in the hospital and she asked if Fitz was dead?
     
    I bet she was promised the Veepship in return.  Not sure that Cyrus was involved.

    • @Statuesque That’s highly likely, but there’s no way Cyrus was involved. He HATES Sally. He has stated to Fitz that she’s a homophobic bigot. Right now, I am also having second thoughts about the first lady being involved. Maybe it was just a bad feeling, like someone else said yesterday.  But as VP, Sally Langston would know all about the program that turned nice normal people like Huck into killers.

      • @AndreaLThorsen Cyrus may have unintentionally set this all in motion when he refused to play ball with the oil baron.  I don’t think he’d have Fitz killed in a million years or that he’d help those two willingly.

  65. @dani-BBW “He is so Alpha in their scenes together, love it!”
     
    Yes I am glad you bought this up cuz so many people have a problem with his ability to take charge with her when they are together she is all over the place and he is more steady in what he wants. On some message boards this has translated into him treating her like a slave, manhandling, over aggressiveness blah blah.
    I am a feminist and I know when a man is getting out of pocket Fitz is not getting out of pocket he is getting Liv out her drawers there is a difference!!!!

  66. Wonderful episode last night! Wow! It filled in details on their love affair, and I thought Fritz was so hot! Alpha male extraordinaire. He didn’t treat Olivia like a possession but acted exactly the way she wanted. At one point in the episode, Livi told Fitz to stop running for president and act like a president. She wanted him to take charge – admittedly they were talking about politics when she told him that, but it was while they were having sex at Camp David. It was inferred that she wanted him to take charge in their relationship, too. The episode had just the right mix of intrigue and romance. I mean we know who shot Fitz but the revelation just deepened the mystery – a sure sign of beautifully written show.
     
    Well done, Shonda!

    • @BeautyIAM I just read it, and I don’t know who the writer thinks they’re kidding, but there are 100x more TV shows and movies with BM w/ non-Black (specifically White) women than there has ever been the reverse. What television networks and motion pictures has she been watching? Lol.

      • @AndreaLThorsen 
         
        I thought the same thing a while ago, but I remembered a woman on another forum I read go through a number of shows and determine the ratio of BW/WM and BM/WW and surprisingly, there were more BW/WM pairings. I thought it was very telling and interesting.

    • @BeautyIAM I like S&A’s emphasis on black cinema and television projects around the world – you can find lots of info that would never be covered anywhere else – but they are like Blackistan suburbs. I refuse to read their comments, they usually feel so old and outdated in terms of racial discussions.

      • @dani-BBW  @BeautyIAM 
         
        Yeah, the Blackistan does reside there. I try to stay away from the comment sections, but sometimes find them entertaining. Many people on there have very antiquated views of IRs so its pointless trying to talk to them as dense as some of them are.

  68. Remember during the episode where all those assassins tried to kill each other? The one guy said he was going to stick around. I bet he was the contract killer hired by Hollis. Huck heard the hit or whatever you call it on his radio and went to intercede somehow.

      • @AndreaLThorsen  @jldrumm1 He’s a spy and easy target to pin this on. I still think the shooter was Charlie … or Huck’s new girlfriend, because seriously, what assassin needs to fire 5 shots to kill someone? That was a one, maybe two shot hit.
         
        I’ve also heard it said that Huck’s protecting someone.

        • @WorldTravelingChic  @AndreaLThorsen  @jldrumm1 Okay?!! I’m glad I am not the only one who is suspicious of the girlfriend.  My antenna went up at that AA meeting.  She is way too….something.

        • @Statuesque  @WorldTravelingChic  @jldrumm1 You know, when she put the moves on Huck at the 12-step meeting I found it a little odd. After all, he had admitted at a previous meeting to indulging his addiction, and 12-step members are discouraged from getting romantically involved with each other, because they tend to drag each other back into their addictions. So, her approaching him may mean that she was sent to seduce him. If he was suppose to be on a date with her, she could have prompted him to do the killing while they were together.

    • @jldrumm1 I think this is plausible.  To me the Huck thing feels like a distraction.  I am giving the side eye to Crazy Veep, Soulless Baron and Worst First Lady Ever.

    • @jldrumm1 
       
      I had so many emotions when I saw that it was Huck, but it would make so much sense if Huck was trying to intervene when he knew something was going down.

    • @jldrumm1 you’re talking about Charlie, the assassin Huck should’ve killed in season 1, sucks teeth.

  69. I just watched the episode again because the 5 shots thing was really bothering me. When we’re seeing Fitz through the scope, at first, the target is on his heart – a kill shot. Then, it shifts to Fitz’s left arm just before the first shot is fired. Unfortunately, it looks like the “miss” was deliberate.
     
    Dangit Huck! I really don’t want to believe it was him. I like his slightly deranged character. 🙁

    • @Brenda55 
       
      Okay please excuse me from saying this…really but I have to.
       
      I’m wondering how many women watching these two in all their hotness took out their vibrators when they were done watching it. Like seriously. LOL! I don’t own one so ya…..haha

        • @AminahMatthews  @Brenda55 
           
          Hahaha. I had to wonder. Millions of women world wide saw the show and know many were getting hot and bothered.

  72. Steven27 asked what is swag. We get that question a lot on this site and while it is not critical for a man to have swag and be a success with the ladies we ladies love to admire it when it is on display.
     
    No one group of men corner the market on swag. That is a fact. As luck would have it we had a premier example of swag on last night’s Scandal episode.
    Yep. You guessed it the Oval Office Scene.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JFtsK8g4uJI
     
    Watch how Fitz enters the room throws that look and says that little “Hi.”
    Then he takes off his jacket. Dude already knows what is about to go down. He just has not decided on what piece of furniture it is going to happen on..
    Liv does too but she is doing the girl thing and playing coy. (Good move Liv.)
     
    Now, and this is key. Watch Fitz’s gait. Slow, smooth, steady almost like he’s floating. Eyes on the prey. Check out his rolling up his sleeves during his approach. ( “Gonna need room to work it.”)
    Liv: ”Mr President.
    Fitz: “I like that say it again.” (= Say my name.)
    Liv: “Mr. President.”
    Fitz Hmm.
    Liv: “We can’t” (Girlfriend. You think my man is trying to hear that?)
    No. Boyfriend backs her up and goes in for the body grab pushing up from behind. Then starts doing that crazy stuff you men all know we like with our necks. Hand landing on every erogenous zone he can reach. (You did notice he got the boobie.)
    Liv: “We can’t. Think of where we are.”
    Fitz: “Baby that desk is looking real good right about now.”
    Now you notice Liv pushes him off her BUT is moving towards the desk while she is trying to talk sense into…..herself. She know Fitz is not studying her nonsense in fact he digs it.
    So he comes up behind her……again all tight turns her around like he is going to dance with her, talks trash and dances her right up against the desk. Smoother than smooth.
    He knows it’s over, he has that and he is going in. Liv, bless her has to make one more (weak) attempt to stop the Fitz 99 locomotive. You know just for form.
    So POTUS then back up and hits her with it. “I can’t stop.” (= Baby. You know what you do to me. You. Got me like this. How you gonna leave me this way?)
     
    Guys that is dirty pool and you know it. You also know it usually works.
    Fitz’s nose is so wide open and he is on the scent. He knows those panties of her’s could drop by themselves cause they are sopping. Then he asks her can she stop?”
    See that little grin as he moves in again. That is major swag. Fitz owned that whole exchange from the door. He knew how it was going to end from the time he walked in.
    Liv jumps up on the desk and hikes the skirt.
    Fitz: “Touchdown and the extra point through the uprights.”
    So next time you what to knw what swag is. Watch this. I know I will.

    • Dang girl!  You got swag just describing that man’s swag.  LOL!  Swag gets me every time ESPECIALLY when it comes from unexpected places.  Whew.

    • @Brenda55   Saw that the other night.   It’s alleged that Lyndon B. Johnson did one of his secretary’s on the ole oval office presidential desk…….so this seen wouldn’t be to terribly far away from “truth”.   (I also saw the shooter in the red hoodie).

  73. I told ya’ll the other day I stalk Tony Goldwyn on twitter, keep your distance lol.  FYI, he is currently directing a new tv series for AMC which means he won’t be on the Scandal set as much and the writers have to write a story line that would keep him away for awhile when he’s directing.  I don’t want him to have amnesia or be in a coma but the writers have to do something. We’ll have to wait and see.

    • @jamaica68
      I knew that TG was filming a pilot for a series that he was pitching to AMC. Did they actually order the series? Last I heard it had not been decided.

      • @Brenda55 I don’t know if the series has been ordered but I read production wrapped but that could be just for the pilot.  I do know that Aunjanue Ellis is one of the stars of it, love her!

        • @jamaica68
           What I read was that TG felt that if the series were picked up he could direct it during break from Scandal.

        • @Brenda55  @jamaica68 This is what I’m hoping will happen. I know some Olitz fans are worried that TG will be written off the show, but I doubt it.
           
          Tony loves playing Fitz, I can’t imagine that he would choose to leave the show. And while the casework at O. Pope and associates takes center stage, it’s the love story between Liv and Fitz, and the intrigue that goes on in The White House that really drives the show.I’m sure that the writers realize this, and I can’t imagine that they would write him off any time soon.

        • @ART-GIRL   @Brenda55 I don’t doubt Tony loving his character on Scandal but you know how Hollywood is you have to make your money while you’re hot and he’s a hot commodity right now.  If his pilot gets picked up as a series we will see less of him if the shows have the same filming schedule.

        • @jamaica68  @Brenda55 Is Tony starring in the other series, or is he directing and producing it? If he is starring on the show, then that could cause conflict. But if he is directing and producing the it, then that offers more flexibility. I’m not sure of how high maintenance a producer’s job is. But  it’s not common for a show to have only one director. Usually there will be a series of guest directors who comes in and shoot different episodes over a season. 
           
          My guess is that Tony directed the first couple of episodes to get things off the ground, and then the shows producers hired other directors to do the rest. He’ll likely direct more if the  show gets picked up, but he won’t be completely shackled to it.
           
          I sincerely hope that the 2 jobs don’t conflict. I don’t know about anyone else,but I definitely  felt his absence during those 2 episodes leading up to Defiance.

        • @ART-GIRL   You know, I actually liked him being away at the G8, because he was getting out of control. Having his SSAs snatch Olivia so he could yell at her in the woods, and then to try and get with her while his security detail was around?? She should have punched him when he got in her face about Edison. Since she won’t take his calls anymore he shows up to a meeting she was supposed to have with Cyrus and clears the restaurant, forcing her to see him? Invites her to the G8 knowing she did not want to be involved with him anymore? 
           
          It’s very petulant, narcissistic, bullying behavior (not to mention “let’s be inappropriate” uses of tax dollars)  and for me, it was getting to the point of really making his character unlikable. From an artistic perspective, he got shot at the right time, because now through flashbacks and sympathy in the present day as he recovers, those negatives get toned down. He seems to be a man who is harmed by power, it only enables him to be destructive.

        • @ART-GIRL @jamaica68
          TG has his own production co and a partner. he shot the pilot for AMC. 
          He is not acting in the series (if it gets picked up) but would be directing.

        • @Brenda55  @ART-GIRL  I was good and understood his frustration about Thorngate and how that was affecting him professionally (I LOVED when he was jamming her feet into those boots, so much sexual tension). To me, he crossed the line when he got in her face about Edison. Had he been anyone but POTUS, that would have warranted a slap or a punch. So out of pocket! At the very least, “who the f*ck do you think you’re talking to like that?” Petulance is not a quality I find endearing, at all. Maybe I need to log off, LOL, might be projecting a bit.

        • @dani-BBW  @ART-GIRL  Nah Don’t log off.  This has been fun.  You are right. If he had been any other guy a woman would have been wee within her rights to tie fire to his behind. 
           
          Dude you are married any you’re in my face about what? (Hands on hips and head just a snaping.)

        • @Brenda55  @dani-BBW Me too.  # Treegate took me through so many different emotions. It’s clear that Fitz was on some other ish that day, and I was stunned by his attitude. Apparently Olivia was too, because she didn’t  go back at him nearly as hard as I thought she would.

        • @ART-GIRL  @Brenda55 I’d like to see Olivia punch it up a bit, so many people have talked so disrespectfully to her – Cyrus during that State dinner, Mellie, Abby – without consequence. She’s gotten a bit snizzy with Fitz here and there but otherwise her character either doesn’t respond directly to confrontation or she’s not in a position of strength to be able to adequately defend herself or she’s too frazzled to speak back up (I feel like it’s the latter with Abby).

  76. Now…I’ve been discussing this in another forum…and I have to say…if this were a true story, we’d all be calling Liv a homewrecker and Fitz an azz…just like the majority of the thread on Petreaus post not too long ago…are we being biased here? hmmm…some would even say hypocritical…I know it is just acting…but…being real, Fitz is being very mean to his wife and I believe the writers want us to sympathize by making Mellanie annoying….

    • @IAOSingleMoms 
       
       
      When comparing real life situations to fictional ones, it gets tricky. I’m not down with cheating and never will be. So I will always look at Petreaus as a cheating motherfu…….
       
      But that is what I like about fiction. That’s why I love to read fiction. Anything goes. Its also entertainment. I don’t mind rooting for a fake couple. That doesn’t mean I would support the situation in real life though.
       
      But I get what you’re saying. I remember when I watched the first episode of the first season, I was floored. I was thinking “WTF is going on…?” As the the season progressed, I understood the dynamics of Fitz’s and Olivia’s relationship. Yes, I have to say I love them together. 
       
      This goes without saying that I don’t think anything can excuse what they are doing. Fitz is cheating on his wife. But what I just realized when watching this latest episode is that even though Mellie knew something was going down between her man and Olivia, she silently gave the go ahead. I was blown away by that. I’m never ever going to blame Mellie for what Fitz chose to do. But with Mellie, she was willing to sacrifice her marriage and let Fitz and Olivia do what they wanted to do. That’s deep. I wonder what would have happened if she called them both out for their wrongdoings.
       
      Of course Mellie couldn’t be this mommy homemaker, peachy keen, Leave it to Beaver mother because if she were everybody would hate Olivia. Actually I’m starting to feel like Mellie gets a bad wrap. I do think there is a side of her that we don’t get to see. A softer side. Not just the overly ambitious stage wife. That’s when sh$% get’s real and you really question Olivia and Fitz being together. That’s the greatness with the writing though. You’re constantly changing sides. But for some folks, they are ride or die for Fitz and Olivia.

      • @BeautyIAM  @IAOSingleMoms Mellie is actually the character I want much more information on. Is it possible to have such a high sense of patriotism that you are willing to accept anything you think may put the person you believe is the best choice to lead the country, in the White House? Or is “patriotism” just an excuse for her man sharing? I completely see how she got enraged with Olivia over the whole Amanda Tanner situation. To accept all of that, and Fitz’ presidency is still almost sunk by a sex scandal of all things? And after she confronted Olivia with the pin, why be surprised when she left the White House? What person with any sense of a moral compass would be okay continuing in that situation? I can see why Olivia is so conflicted in her interactions with Fitz.

        • @dani-BBW  I find myself rooting for it. Every time Fitz gets into a position when he could leave it all and run off with Olivia and be happy, I find myself yelling at the TV. Plus, I want to poke Hal in his eye every time he snitches.
           
          Totally abnormal for me. My sister even pointed it out and asked why I was so excited about a TV show, since I never am.

      • @BeautyIAM Hey…even I have to admit that I like to see them together (Fitz and Ollie)…but the moral side of me feels for Mellie…because I feel her character has to in some way put up with a lot because of who her husband is…I don’t see it as week…I see it as strong…as for those that are picking at the fact that I brought this topic up and not any other things on the show…I’d like to say “DUH!!” I’m NOT the one focusing on what Olivia and Fitz are doing, you guys (we) are as well as the show’s writers…most of this thread is about how “hawt” they are together…I’m only adding another layer to the conversation as in the the actual dynamics of their relationship…bottom line without all of the strong chemistry FItz and Liv have…they are stabbing Mellie in the back…Fitz is not only cheating on his wife…but he is making her feel guilting that she “won”…how many of you would go for that in real life…I mean…come one…:)

        • @BeautyIAM Plus…think about it guys…Fitz, on inauguration night wanted to do Olivia on his desk in the Oval Office…now…check this…real life…if that came out…we would want him impeached for disrespecting the oval office and the tax payers who pay to keep it up.

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM I don’t see people validating their behavior (like “eff it, who cares about Mellie, they should do what’s best for them,”), I see people saying they enjoy seeing them together because they have so much chemistry. They are entertaining. It’s two different things. Plus, I said early on below, that Fitz came across as a completely petulant jerk to me this season, until I went back and watched season 1 and got more of the backstory. Even still, it’s clear that with power comes corruption. I enjoy their scenes but dislike the position they are in, because Olivia has the most to lose (emotionally) in the scenario.
           
          Also apparently people on the crew don’t like Fitz either! Some of the make-up girls have been taking it out on Tony Goldwyn on set, it’s pretty funny. The cast and crew on this show are so awesome, they really engage the fans and I have not seen that with a TV show before.

        • @dani-BBW  @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM 
          “Even still, it’s clear that with power comes corruption. I enjoy their scenes but dislike the position they are in, because Olivia has the most to lose (emotionally) in the scenario.”
           
          I agree wholeheartedly.

        • @dani-BBW  @BeautyIAM yes…that’s it…I like the chemistry they have together…but do not respect the relationship…but I also have to say, not just here but on various forums too…I’ve seen people saying, “Eff Mellie” or that they hope Fitz can divorce so he can be with Olivia…and for me…my views are consistent whether it’s real life or fiction…so, I would be conflicted with that and wouldn’t wish that…but that’s just me.

        • @IAOSingleMoms  Yeah I like seeing them but I don’t want to see it in the context of a full blown affair. What we are getting are flashbacks. I do NOT want to see them be like “oh well, we’re gonna do this.” I would actually get really upset if they engaged in a full on affair again. I am not rooting for that, I am interested in Fitz getting out of his marriage and then them getting back together. But please bring on the flashbacks!

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM I don’t feel sorry for Millie. She had her own affair on Fitz. She also is sticking with the situation for her own end game. 
           
          If she wanted a diffrent life she could have chosen it. She knew about the affair and so long as it fit her agenda she played along.
           
          Now if you really want to talk about something creepy it is not the affair.   That I get.  How can you be a part of the DC5 sitting up there with the woman who is banging your husband and working with her when it suits you. (remember the murdered intern episode?)
           
          No.  Not feeling no pity for Millie. If she is as calculating in the sack with Fitz as she is everywhere else then  no wonder he is boffing Liv.

        • @dani-BBW  @IAOSingleMoms Now I would have no problem if they continued their affair in the present day and in the White House. In fact I hope that they do.

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM 
           
          LOL. I really do see where you’re coming from. But that’s the great thing about FICTION. IT AIN’T REAL LIFE. So Fitz wants to do Olivia on his desk…YES and YES :D. 
           
          But I really do appreciate your take on it. I know a lot of people are really conflicted about their relationship.

        • @Brenda55  LOL, ok, you’re the first I’ve heard come out and say that. I really really don’t want to see that happen, it would jeopardize Liv’s career and ruin her emotionally, especially with Mellie no longer okay with it, Mellie would “blow her away.”

        • @Brenda55  @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM Her affair with the ex-porn star turned illiteracy advocate nearly slipped y mind. Thanks for reminding me! And he probably wasn’t the first for her.
          In “The Trail” she and Fitz weren’t even able to look at each other or touch before Olivia forced them to confront their issues with each other and start acting as a team.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @Brenda55  @IAOSingleMoms  @BeautyIAM Oh, she really had the affair? I thought they were just snapped a lot together and the story was false.

        • @dani-BBW@AndreaLThorsen@IAOSingleMoms@BeautyIAM
           
          The affair rumor with Twinkle toes got squelched because Liv got the goods on his porn career and he had to come out and deny it.

        • I do not hold this position for shock value.
           
          Consider some facts.
          By all measures Fitz and Millie’s marriage is toxic.  It has been that way for many years. It was very obvious and contributed to his loss in the New Hampshire primaries. The situation was so bad that Liv was called into fix the situation.
          This marriage was and is damaged beyond repair at this point and is a sham on order to achieve the goal of winning the White House. This is a working relationship to hold power and no more.
           
          2. Fitz  met and fell in love with Liv during his campaign. He did not go looking for an affair. It happened for both of them. Sure he was not free and it was the wrong time but it happened. Sure he acted on his attraction as did she. Liv was left with the option to reciprocate and she did.
           
          3.The pair have a very strong working and emotional bond and are at their best when they are together.
           
          With the above facts my reason for shipping a present day affair is this. I would rather Fitz happy while carrying out his duties as FAPOTUS and focusing on his job and not his love life. Fitz haS got to have the most stressful job on the planet and if porking Liv on every surface in the White House, Camp David, on Air Force one and two keeps my man cool then that is how I want it.
           
          I do not want some fool starting a war because he is not getting any from the woman he loves and most wants to get it from. I do not want some guy who is horny, frustrated and lonely making decisions about the economic health of the nation because he can’t get enough sleep at night because he can’t sleep with the woman he loves and most want to sleep with. I don’t want Fitz near any issue that will affect my life because he is not able to break off a piece and is not bringing his A game.
           
          Do you seriously want Fitz any where near that guy with the nuclear codes? Men truly believe that they are going to get and I quote “really, really sick and may even die” end quote if they don’t get any regular. Fitz could do the mother of all murder suicides but offing himself and blowing up the planet.
           
          I am not cool with that.
           
          So take your choice. Fitz an Liv hitting it regular sinful or not or……well you get the picture. I would swear Liv in as the Under Secretary of the Interior on special assignment to the FAPOTUS. Um. for the good of the nation of course.

        • @Brenda55 Just wanted to say AMEN!!!  A lot of people on twitter are really getting caught up in this show and acting like Tony & Kerry are in a real relationship(they get the ultimate side eye) and I had to remind them this is a tv show.  All this crying and hating on folks isn’t necessary.

        • @Brenda55 *real tears* that was hilarious! I still come back to Livie though. If they begin to indulge again, she will never be free of the guilt and hesitancy of not legitimately having Fitz. I don’t think her mental/emotional health is worth preventing Fitz from having a blueballs nervous breakdown and causing nuclear holocaust. And here we are, having the same conversation Mellie probably had with herself 1000 times.

        • @jamaica68  I hate that people keep whispering like that, because it is the epitome of empty speculation (literally based solely on the way two people are acting on a TV show) and they diminish the hard work of the actors.

        • I am glad that you understand the gravity of the situation.  This line proves it.
          “Fitz from having a blueballs nervous breakdown and causing nuclear holocaust. ”
           
          The visuals on that are about a ugly as it gets I must say but I digress.
           
          Now Liv is just being stupid. Sure she thinks she wears the white hat. Not. She is the most ethically challenged women along side Millie and Fern in D.C.  If I’m lying I’m flying.
           
          Now the OLITZ situation is a matter of timing and Liv should know that. Liv knows the boy is addicted to that summa cum laude coochie. Alright. She can only have him now on the quiet tip but she will get wifed up after he is out of office. She has this locked down. Her problem is this. She is as deprived as FAPOTUS. She just can’t blow up the world but her gut is broken and the proof of that is how many cases she is blowing. Even Harrison sees it. 

          Liv she needs her beef injection and Pudding Pop’s chocolate jello pudding does not have the right mix. We know this. Liv is being a typical sista and giving everyone a hard way to go for no good reason. If this were real and I were her BFF I would tell her to stop cutting up. Take the Under Secretary position and just keep it down when she is meeting with Fitz.
           
          @dani-BBW

        • @Brenda55 LOL! But here’s the thing, picking up with Fitz again is NOT in Olivia’s best interest (no matter how good the D is), because she’s not in control of it. It’s at the mercy of Cyrus and Mellie and Hal&Tom and whoever else knows. Look at how Cyrus kept revoking her white house access. Or what if one of the SSAs leaked it to the press and ruined her career? Furthermore, she and Fitz aren’t on even ground, as POTUS he has way more resources at his disposal to get his way. That can be really unhealthy in a relationship, when one partner “more” than the other partner and can use that in an unfair advantage in almost every arena.

        • @dani-BBW Dang you got me.  There really is something more powerful than pune tang. You are of course correct. Sucks to be OLITZ.

        • @Brenda55 “I don’t want Fitz near any issue that will affect my life because he is not able to break off a piece and is not bringing his A game.
           
          Do you seriously want Fitz any where near that guy with the nuclear codes? Men truly believe that they are going to get and I quote “really, really sick and may even die” end quote if they don’t get any regular. Fitz could do the mother of all murder suicides but offing himself and blowing up the planet.
           
          I am not cool with that.”
           
          ROFLMBO

        • @AndreaLThorsen  I knew Tony was married but didn’t know Kerry was in a relationship.  Thanks for the info.

    • @IAOSingleMoms I won’t lie – I feel like a bit of a hypocrite as I watch this show and root for Olitz. I’m 100% against adultery and If this were a real-life situation, I would not be reacting to the scenario in the same way. You’re right – Olivia would be a home wrecker. Fitz would be a cheat who couldn’t think with anything but what’s in his pants, even though he’s the leader of the free world and needs to check himself – at least until he’s no longer representing the U.S.
       
      I’ve had to ask myself if the reason I like the show and its storyline is because of the BW/WM coupling. I’ll be honest and say that’s part of it … well, that and TG is just delicious to watch. The politics of it all sets everything off balance for me. Everyone seems ready to sacrifice everything – even their integrity – for power. The warped thinking and decision-making makes right look wrong and wrong, right. Unfortunately, this seems to be a reflection of the world we live in.
       
      So, yeah, I do feel hypocritical – especially when I talk about the show with people who don’t watch it. The first thing they point out is the infidelity and how I can be okay with it. I’m usually not okay with it, even in my entertainment, so I’m still not sure what to think of it all.

      • @WorldTravelingChic   It never fells to amuse me that on a show where we have  seen the major characters have a pregnant woman killed, take part in  the rigging of a federal election, harbor knowledge over the murder of seven people, while allowing an innocent woman to stand trial for it, and where they have a sociopathic computer geek with a penchant for torturing folks and who freely admits that he thinks killing is fun, that the infidelity is what most bothers people.
         
        The show is called Scandal, not Beacons of Morality. And while the concept of Olivia Pope is based off of an actual person, she for most part is a work of fiction.  A work of fiction  who has been written as smart, beautiful, powerful and formidable. A complex and capable  woman who just happens to hold the heart of the powerful man in the world in her hands.
         
        But a lot of folks don’t see that. No. Despite centuries of fiction and decades of soap operas and prime time drama, where illicit love affairs reign supreme, the very idea of this particular character being involved in an affair is just the most offensive thing ever.
         
        ‘But why she got to be the sidepiece though?’ is a comment that I’ve heard more than once. 
         
        Whenever I hear someone complain about Scandal , the argument is almost always the same. The fact they have this black woman having an affair with a married man, an thus being shown in a less than perfect light is what really seem to bother people.
         
        It seems to speak to people’s insecurities that as a black woman she isn’t good enough to have a man of her own,  that Fitz doesn’t really love her,  that he is just using her, and despite the reality that  they haven’t slept together in years that he only sees her as being good for one thing. Add in the fact that Olivia is shown as just so hopelessly in love with some white man, and it’s easy to see why people get so hot and bothered by her relationship with Fitz.

      • @WorldTravelingChic@IAOSingleMoms
          It never fells to amuse me that on a show where we have  seen the major characters have a pregnant woman killed, take part in  the rigging of a federal election, harbor knowledge over the murder of seven people, while allowing an innocent woman to stand trial for it, and where they have a sociopathic computer geek with a penchant for torturing folks and who freely admits that he thinks killing is fun, that the infidelity is what most bothers people.
         
        The show is called Scandal, not Beacons of Morality. And while the concept of Olivia Pope is based off of an actual person, she for most part is a work of fiction.  A work of fiction  who has been written as smart, beautiful, powerful and formidable. A complex and capable  woman who just happens to hold the heart of the powerful man in the world in her hands.
         
        But a lot of folks don’t see that. No. Despite centuries of fiction and decades of soap operas and prime time drama, where illicit love affairs reign supreme, the very idea of this particular character being involved in an affair is just the most offensive thing ever.
         
        ‘But why she got to be the sidepiece though?’ is a comment that I’ve heard more than once. 
         
        Whenever I hear someone complain about Scandal , the argument is almost always the same. The fact they have this black woman having an affair with a married man, an thus being shown in a less than perfect light is what really seems to bother people.
         
        It seems to speak to people’s insecurities that as a black woman she isn’t good enough to have a man of her own,  that Fitz doesn’t really love her,  that he is just using her, and despite the reality that  they haven’t slept together in years that he only sees her as being good for one thing. Add in the fact that Olivia is shown as just being so hopelessly in love with some white man, and it’s easy to see why people get so hot and bothered by her relationship with Fitz.

      • @WorldTravelingChic
          It never fells to amuse me that on a show where we have  seen the major characters have a pregnant woman killed, take part in  the rigging of a federal election, harbor knowledge over the murder of seven people, while allowing an innocent woman to stand trial for it, and where they have a sociopathic computer geek with a penchant for torturing folks and who freely admits that he thinks killing is fun, that the infidelity is what most bothers people.
         
        The show is called Scandal, not Beacons of Morality. And while the concept of Olivia Pope is based off of an actual person, she for most part is a work of fiction.  A work of fiction  who has been written as smart, beautiful, powerful and formidable. A complex and capable  woman who just happens to hold the heart of the powerful man in the world in her hands.
         
        But a lot of folks don’t see that. No. Despite centuries of fiction and decades of soap operas and prime time drama, where illicit love affairs reign supreme, the very idea of this particular character being involved in an affair is just the most offensive thing ever.
         
        ‘But why she got to be the sidepiece though?’ is a comment that I’ve heard more than once. 
         
        Whenever I hear someone complain about Scandal , the argument is almost always the same. The fact they have this black woman having an affair with a married man, an thus being shown in a less than perfect light is what really seems to bother people.
         
        It seems to speak to people’s insecurities that as a black woman she isn’t good enough to have a man of her own,  that Fitz doesn’t really love her,  that he is just using her, and despite the reality that  they haven’t slept together in years that he only sees her as being good for one thing. Add in the fact that Olivia is shown as being so hopelessly in love with some white man, and it’s easy to see why people get so hot and bothered by her relationship with Fitz.

        • @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic I agree with everything you just wrote, with the exception of Huck being a sociopath. He’s a psychopath. A sociopath is incapable of loyalty and love.
           
          Also, I think many BW want Olivia to be perfect because they want to be seen as perfect themselves, but people, in general, resent people who appear to be perfect and above it all. “The strong Black woman” is deeply resented by those who recognize their own weaknesses. The reason why Scandal is such a ratings success is that Olivia is not perfect. Sure she’s smart, beautiful, resourceful, cunning, and inspires a great deal of loyalty from those around her, BUT she’s in love with a married man. A man that she has to avoid, because she knows that she can’t resist him.
           
          She makes mistakes, big ones. Like trusting Hollis Doyle to handle the blackmail situation, for example. Huge mistake. She’s Human. People can relate to being Human. Humans are lovable. Perfect people just remind you that you fall short of perfection.

        • @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic 
          ART-GIRL I am so fangirling you right now it is not even funny. 
           
          “It never fells to amuse me that on a show where we have  seen the major characters have a pregnant woman killed, take part in  the rigging of a federal election, harbor knowledge over the murder of seven people, while allowing an innocent woman to stand trial for it, and where they have a sociopathic computer geek with a penchant for torturing folks and who freely admits that he thinks killing is fun, that the infidelity is what most bothers people.”
           
           
          This, this, this. 1,000,000 times.
           
          There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to stories of adulterous affairs. 
          Jane Eyre
          Wuthering Heights
          The English Patient
          The Three Sisters
          Butterfield Eight
          Jungle Fever
          Just about every day time soap opera that ever was.
           
          None of this stuff has ever been banned because of that feature so why the microscope over Scandal?
           
          So go ahead.  Call the situation and the people involved what it is. Adulterers and home wreckers.  Hate them if you want. No one is saying that you should not. Just don’t bug me about it.
           
          I have no problem shipping OLITZ and do not feel like any sort of hypocrite doing so. I am saying that as a married women myself who would not want to be in Millie’s position. I say that because I have personally seen situations like this and they are every bit as messy as portrayed on this show. They are not simple and they happen for a lot of reasons. Some justified.  There is always collateral damage. That’s life.
           
          This falls in the category of there but for the grace of God go I and never say never. So yep I can ship every angst filled, sex fueled, ethically challenged and morally bankrupt second of OLITZ while sipping Chardonnay and chomping on a cheese and fruit platter.

        • @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic 
           
          “Whenever I hear someone complain about Scandal , the argument is almost always the same. The fact they have this black woman having an affair with a married man, an thus being shown in a less than perfect light is what really seems to bother people.”
           
           
          ART I am going there.  If Fitz were a black man there would not be this uproar. 
          Why? In the black community black women as the shortie and jump off is too often the norm and few would bat an eye.  In fact many women would sympathize because that is their reality they man share the bothers all the time.
           
          Black Fitz with a wife as portrayed like Millie would be seen as the precious and justified in having Liv..
           
          Oh and can you imagine if Millie were played by a black women? Lets go there. Talk about all kinds of ABW discussions and of course Fitz has to have someone like Liv in order to make life tolerable. There would be the usual pap about dirty laundery being shown in front of da white folks.
           
          So yeah people can miss me with all of the critisism of the show on the IRR side peice front.

        • @ART-GIRL The fact that I don’t find it offensive, when I purposefully avoid the soap operas and the “centuries of fiction” where illicit love affairs reign supreme, is where my sense of hypocrisy comes to play. This is why I personally question why I’m watching the show and rooting for this couple.
          I haven’t noticed fan support for any of the scenarios you mentioned in your first paragraph (murder of Amanda Tanner, Huck’s craziness, Hollis’s rogue assassinations, etc.). What we are all hot and bothered about, though, is this tug of war between Fitz and Olivia.
           
          I love the fact that Olivia is a beautiful, smart, powerful and complex woman. I love that she’s flawed. It makes her relatable. If she always had it together, I doubt I’d empathize with her much. The complexity of her job, her leadership abilities and her relationship with the POTUS are why I watch week after week.
           
          Moment of truth, though? If they killed Fitz off, I, like many on this thread and others, would stop watching. Their relationship – in all it’s messy, passionate, immoral glory – is a large part of why I watch the show. For this reason, I’m not surprised that it is at the center of the conversations. I’m also not surprised that people raise the question of why it’s okay when we see it in fictional works but not okay when we see it played out in real life. The response seems inconsistent.
           
          Now, what I think is ridiculous is people making an issue of their infidelity because she’s black and he’s white. What difference does that make? I would be questioning why I’m a devoted fan if they were any combination of race or culture. Do people who say that Fitz doesn’t love her, is just using her, thinks she’s only good for one thing, etc. actually watch the show? Maybe they’re seeing something I’m not because, to me, their situation is more about ill timing and choices than Olivia Pope’s worthiness of finding a man of her own.
           
          I don’t watch television. It usually seems like a tremendous waste of my time and I have other things to do.  But his show has sucked me in, and I find myself rooting for a relationship I never would never endorse in real life. Every once in a while, I still wrestle with why that is.

        • @Brenda55  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic @AndreaLThorsen “The fact they have this black woman having an affair with a married man, an thus being shown in a less than perfect light is what really seems to bother people.”
           
           
          Is this the Claire Huxtable effect? Nearly every black guy I know seems to see Claire H as perfection. But even then, the Cosby show wasn’t without it’s haters, namely that they didn’t keep it real. That is what is so odd about this criticism, the same people get upset when you have the “magical negro.” Personally, I’m not looking for one sided black characters that are props to white characters, nor am I looking for some saintly, boring black characters. I just want rich, fully developed black characters (flaws and all) from uniquely told, creative stories. Olivia Pope is an anti-hero, running around saving everybody else meanwhile someone needs to help her get out of her own scandal. THAT is fascinating TV. Otherwise, how in the world do you tell a story each week with a protagonist that does not have flaws?

        • @Brenda55  I love your comments. They always make me laugh!
           
          “I have no problem shipping OLITZ and do not feel like any sort of hypocrite doing so. I am saying that as a married women myself who would not want to be in Millie’s position. I say that because I have personally seen situations like this and they are every bit as messy as portrayed on this show. They are not simple and they happen for a lot of reasons. Some justified.  There is always collateral damage. That’s life.”
           
          I think the fact that I’ve also known people who were in this position is what makes me take that second guess about why I’m rooting so hard for these two. As you said, there’s always a lot of pain and collateral damage for all involved.
           
          “This falls in the category of there but for the grace of God go I and never say never.”
           
          TRUTH!
           
          “So yep I can ship every angst filled, sex fueled, ethically challenged and morally bankrupt second of OLITZ while sipping Chardonnay and chomping on a cheese and fruit platter.”
           
          This is where I laughed! Great mental picture. 🙂

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic I can say for me…it’s not about Olivia being “perfect”…I’m talking about the dynamics of her relationship with Fitz and how we would all actually feel in real life…that’s all I’m saying…and the only reason I’m even discussing it is because that is all I see in the comment section is the relationship with Fitz and Oli..so, how could I not focus on it…the writers have also made this a big part of the show…so again, how can I not focus on it…it’s inevitable if you ask me. Plus, I was discussing this in another forum and one of the people stated that she felt the show was trash due to the infidelity part and wouldn’t watch or support it. I actually replied that it is more to the show besides the infidelity (even though it is a major part) which keeps me watching…but, I can’t sit up here like some others and root for the relationship either because that doesn’t fall in line with how I feel about marriage…because fiction or not…it’s almost like promoting that it is okay to cheat on your wife and even more okay to cheat and stress your wife out while preggo.

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @AndreaLThorsen  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic I don’t really see people rooting for the relationship, I see them enjoying it. There’s a difference, to me, you know?

        • @dani-BBW  @Brenda55  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic  @AndreaLThorsen no where in my comments did I say the protagonist shouldn’t have flaws or even remotely think she should be perfect…that wouldn’t be interesting television would it?…I’m more so speaking on the “reactions” of the relationship with Fitz and Oli rather than Olivia herself…and the fact that the writers want us to sympathize with them by making Mellie annoying so it would be easy to love Olivia and Fitz together…just my opinion.

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic I don’t know if you saw the last episode of season 1 or the 1st episode of season 2, but the baby thing is just a diversionary tactic. They didn’t want to have another child together. They just wanted people to stop talking about that sex tape. Also, and I think this is the most important part, Olivia and Fitz haven’t had sex in years. It ended before the show began. So, while they are still in  love, THEY ARE NOT HAVING AN AFFAIR.
           
          As a married woman myself, I am far from pro-adultery, but I have never been able to take fictional adultery seriously or personally, unless the characters are unsympathetic.

        • @dani-BBW@IAOSingleMoms@AndreaLThorsen@ART-GIRL I find myself rooting for it every time Fitz gets into a position where he could leave it all and “have the life he’s always wanted with the woman he loves.” Plus, I want to poke Hal in his eye every time he blinks.
           
          The response is totally abnormal for me. Maybe this is why I don’t watch TV … 😀

        • @IAOSingleMoms   Not directed at you personally, directed at the people everyone’s been referring to who are upset about a black woman being portrayed as having an affair.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  
          “Also, and I think this is the most important part, Olivia and Fitz haven’t had sex in years. It ended before the show began. So, while they are still in  love, THEY ARE NOT HAVING AN AFFAIR.”
           
          Exactly! I haven’t seen anyone I know say “I hope they start cheating again, since they love each other adultery is okay.” What I see is “Wow they are so good for each other and I like seeing them, I hope they find a way somehow,” i.e. that Fitz finds a way out of his marriage. We’re in the messy aftermath and people are trying to figure out where it’s all going to go. I don’t think anyone wants things to be the way they were before, with Fitz just openly cheating. From what I can tell people LOVE seeing those flashbacks because the scenes are really hot, or enjoy seeing Fitz so consumed by Olivia. Speaking of that, what EXACTLY is he doing as an actor that just radiates on screen – is it his speaking cadence? His intonations? Breathing? What about his technique is so mesmerizing, that makes you buy this? Technically speaking, I can’t figure out what he’s doing that’s so different from zillions of other actors you see in similar scenarios. If anyone here has studied acting, I’d love to know!

        • @IAOSingleMoms  @AndreaLThorsen  @ART-GIRL   @WorldTravelingChic  “I can’t sit up here like some others and root for the relationship either because that doesn’t fall in line with how I feel about marriage…because fiction or not…it’s almost like promoting that it is okay to cheat on your wife and even more okay to cheat and stress your wife out while preggo.”
           
          If the show were promoting adultery they are doing in a odd way.  Both Fitz and Liv are not happy.

        • @WorldTravelingChic I’m not sure if you thought I was criticizing your comments or not. I was responding to the part where you wrote:
           
          especially when I talk about the show with people who don’t watch it. The first thing they point out is the infidelity and how I can be okay with it.
           
          And while I don’t hear people rooting for the other acts that I mentioned in my previous post, I don’t hear people railing against them the way I hear folks go off about the affair. 
           
          I just find it laughable that on a show like this, where the characters are up to their eyeballs in immoral  behavior that the affair is where folks draw the line.

        • @Brenda55
          ART-GIRL I am so fangirling you right now it is not even funny.
           
          AWW. Thank you.
           
           
          There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to stories of adulterous affairs.
          Jane Eyre
          Wuthering Heights
          The English Patient
          The Three Sisters
          Butterfield Eight
          Jungle Fever
          Just about every day time soap opera that ever was.
           
          None of this stuff has ever been banned because of that feature so why the microscope over Scandal?
           
          Exactly.
           
          Olivia & Fitz  are not the first  fictional couple to have a love affair, and they certainly will not be the last.

        • @Brenda55
          There isn’t a question that the response to Scandal  from a lot of the nay sayers would be different if Fitz were black. Just think about how things play out when a real life scandal breaks out. I don’t know how many times I’ve cringed my way through the tired and worn out “A man is going to be a man” speech that is given every time that a black male athlete or entertainer gets caught cheating on his wife or girlfriend.
           
          The general attitude in those situations are that because the man is wealthy an high profile, the wife is unrealistic if she expects him to be faithful. The argument is further backed up with the rationalization that because so many women throw themselves  at these public figures , it is hard for these men to resist temptation. The implication is that if women knew how to respect other women’s relationships, there wouldn’t be a problem.
           
           
          And if Mellie were black, good grief. Not only would her career ambition be used against her. But her attitude would be cited as the chief reason “she couldn’t keep her man.”  Look at how people treated Tameka  Foster Raymond. Or the situation between Kobe Bryant and his wife. Despite the fact that Kobe cheated on this woman non stop, she was criticized and branded a gold digger, when she decided to divorce him and was threatening  to walk away with half of his financial worth.
           
          If anyone doubts that there is a double standard, and that there isn’t a level of racial manipulation at play when it comes to criticism against Scandal, then just look at how fast the Sally Hemmings/ Thomas Jefferson card was played. If Fitz were black do you think that anyone would have looked. at his ardent pursuit of Olivia and the imbalance of  power in their job status, and compared them to Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?

        • @Brenda55  There isn’t a question that the response to Scandal  from a lot of the nay sayers would be different if Fitz were black. Just think about how things play out when a real life scandal breaks out. I don’t know how many times I’ve cringed my way through the tired and worn out “A man is going to be a man” speech that is given every time that a black male athlete or entertainer gets caught cheating on his wife or girlfriend. The general attitude in those situations are that because the man is wealthy an high profile, the wife is unrealistic if she expects him to be faithful. The argument is further backed up with the rationalization that because so many women throw themselves  at these public figures , it is hard for these men to resist temptation. The implication is that if women knew how to respect other women’s relationships,there wouldn’t be a problem. And if Mellie were black, good grief. Not only would her career ambition be used against her. But her attitude would be cited as the chief reason “she couldn’t keep her man.”  Look at how people treated Tameka  Foster Raymond. Or the situation between Kobe Bryant and his wife. Despite the fact that Kobe cheated on this woman non stop, she was criticized and branded a gold digger, when she decided to divorce him and was threatening  to walk away with half of his financial worth.  If anyone doubts that there is a double standard, and there isn’t a level of racial manipulation at play when it comes to criticism against Scandal, then just look at how fast the Sally Hemmings/ Thomas Jefferson card was played. If Fitz were black do you think that anyone would have looked at his ardent pursuit of Olivia and the imbalance of  power in their job positions, and compared them to Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?

        • @Brenda55   There isn’t a question that the response to Scandal  from a lot of the nay sayers would be different if Fitz were black. Just think about how things play out when a real life scandal breaks out. I don’t know how many times I’ve cringed my way through the tired and worn out “A man is going to be a man” speech that is given every time that a black male athlete or entertainer gets caught cheating on his wife or girlfriend.
           
          The general attitude in those situations are that because the man is wealthy an high profile, the wife is unrealistic if she expects him to be faithful. The argument is further backed up with the rationalization that because so many women throw themselves  at these public figures , it is hard for these men to resist temptation. The implication is that if women knew how to respect other women’s relationships,there wouldn’t be a problem.
           
          And if Mellie were black, good grief. Not only would her career ambition be used against her. But her attitude would be cited as the chief reason “she couldn’t keep her man.”  Look at how people treated Tameka  Foster Raymond. Or the situation between Kobe Bryant and his wife. Despite the fact that Kobe cheated on this woman non stop, she was criticized and branded a gold digger, when she decided to divorce him and was threatening  to walk away with half of his financial worth. 
           
          If anyone doubts that there is a double standard, and there isn’t a level of racial manipulation at play when it comes to criticism against Scandal, then just look at how fast the Sally Hemmings/ Thomas Jefferson card was played. If Fitz were black do you think that anyone would have looked at his ardent pursuit of Olivia and the imbalance of  power in their job positions, and compared them to Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?

      • @WorldTravelingChic  @IAOSingleMoms  When, especially when it comes to drama featuring Black characters, is the “cheating” storyline not thrown in our faces?  There are Black thrillers galore that I won’t even bother mentioning.  I think we need to see beyond a supposed  thirst for the success of an adulterous couple.  Adultery on TV is nothing new.  What is different about this, outside of the “racial” dynamic, is the depth and dimension of the relationships we are seeing on-screen.  We are hearing about the hopes and dreams of people.  We are seeing love expressed on television in that passionate, heart-wrenching manner that only Shonda Rhimes can give us these days (the most successful showrunner in TV presently – clearly, there is something about her work that resonates with a very wide audience).  An expression of love that I don’t think I’ve ever seen in the aforementioned “Black dramas” of today with their next-to-zero depth.  She gave us Meredith, Derek, Addison and Mark Sloan.  Even though Addison committed adultery, Shonda eventually had the Grey’s audience rooting for Addison (enter Private Practice).  These are complex relationships that Shonda Rhimes is exhibiting to us… smarter, multidimensional examinations of relationships on-screen and I think that is why people are so enthralled with Olivia’s storyline.  It’s deep… not shallow.  It makes you question.  It’s more about the dialog and the quality of the acting than the act itself.  If Fitz were Blair Underwood, it would be just as adored, because it is less about race and adultery (adultery not a new concept in television catering to different segments of the population) and more about a Black woman who is being told that she is loved, completely – which is unheard of… to be honest.

        • @EmilySpring  Yeah, the movie The Best Man comes to mind. BW cheated on her consistently unfaithful  SO with his best friend and Black America reveres it so much that a sequel is in the works.
           
          We know what the double standard is.

        • @dani-BBW  Right and people love that movie… Love Jones too.  It’s about the DEPTH of the characters and the feeling.  It hink that is what we’re getting here and in those movies that I personally loved in the 90s. Just my opinion.  If they weren’t flawed, no one would be writing a script about them.

  78. THEORY: Huck is not the shooter.  Either “Cocaine” is or she lured him to the room where either she or “Charlie” took the shots.  That would explain the messy scene in the hotel room (not very assassin-like of “Charlie” or “Huck” – but messy enough for an assassin to have difficulty cleaning up in time) and his “date” that was planned for that evening.  This could explain “Huck’s state of mind” and the uneasy look on his face as he was trying to locate all of the bullet casings.  His shock might have been his attempt to save her hide and clean up whatever evidence he could gather, or to save his own hide as he knew he had just been setup.  He also revealed, in S2 episode 6 that he wanted to live a normal life because he now had a girl in front of the other assassins giving Charlie some leverage.  Charlie could have set Huck up by luring Huck to the hotel room using “Cocaine” as either an accomplice or as a hostage.  With “Cocaine” as a hostage (even after the shooting), Huck would not be free to give his side of the story until he knew she was safe… I don’t know.  I’m pulling this out of my ear.

    • @EmilySpring This Cocaine nickname is killing me! LMAO! Sounds very plausible though. I need to watch the ending again, do we see Huck actually pointing the gun? We def see someone looking through a scope and Huck breaking the gun down. Do we see him firing the shots?

      • @dani-BBW  I just looked again.  Yeah he shot.  OKAY!  He was FORCED to shoot because “Cocaine” is being held hostage, or something like that… I’m trying to figure it out! LOL!

        • @EmilySpring  @dani-BBW 
           
          Huck shot at something…..somewhere.  
           
          There is nothing to tie him to the assassination attempt on Fitz.
          All we have is his taking a shot from a window.
          Him putting the gun away.
          Him picking up the shells.
          Him wearing a red hoodie.
          A news report is giving the description.
           
          Huck could have been no where near the shooting but with that red hoodie he is as good as picked up. Perfect set up.
           
          I am smelling a Charlie payback and Cocaine is in on it.
           
          Whats more he is an employee of Liv and the second one connected to a crime. What does that do to her reputation, OPA and her access to the White House?
          Who wants to take out Liv?

        • @Brenda55  @EmilySpring *cough* Mellie*cough* 
           
          She seemed really, REALLY surprised when Fitz said Olivia wasn’t his mistress anymore and that she’d “won” right before he got out of the car.

        • @Brenda55  @dani-BBW  “I am smelling a Charlie payback and Cocaine is in on it.”^^^^^^ YUP!

        • @EmilySpring  @Brenda55  @dani-BBW 
          I watched all 8 episodes from season 2 last night and wow. I loved the Oval Office desk scenes, the Camp David scenes, the garden scenes and the putting on the boot scenes. I loved every minute of it.
           
          I think Huck is being set up. I don’t know if this counts as a spoiler but I’ll warn you anyway.
           
          SPOILER:
          The episode description for next week says that: “one of Olivia’s associates struggles to come to terms with a shocking betrayal.”
           
          I think that’s about Huck.

        • @Brenda55  @theponds  I am not sure how David is going to do it but I really think he’ll be able convince Abby that DV record was faked. And if she finds out who did it, heaven help Harrison because Abby will kick his ass. Harrison handled that kind of sloppily.
           
          It could also be Quinn, if she finds the smoking gun that Huck drugged her and was involved in her new identity. She got really close the week before last.

        • @theponds  @EmilySpring  @Brenda55  @dani-BBW the betrayal could be about Quinn or Abby too.

        • @theponds  @Brenda55  @dani-BBW 
           
          I think the “ABBY” thing is going to blow up in Olivia and Harrison’s face next week while Olivia attempts to handle the Huck situation.  Quinn might also use the opportunity to confront Olivia and Huck since Huck’s “most wanted” status could only prove or agitate Quinn’s belief’s about her own abduction.
           
          In other words, i think the “bleep” is going to hit the fan next week… it’s the winter finale 🙁   Can’t wait!

  79. For old times’ sake, here is the thread with Chris’ interview of Kerry:
    http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/bbw-exclusive-kerry-washington-talks-scandal-and-much-much-more/
     
    Also check out past posts with early reaction on Shonda Rimes and the show (hilarious especially now that the last airing of the show was #1 in its time slot):
    http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/hating-on-the-single-successful-and-happy-black-woman-the-case-of-shonda-rhimes/
    http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/oh-my-gawd-i-cant-believe-i-just-read-what-someone-wrote-about-olivia-pope/
    http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/kerrys-back-season-scandal-premeires-tonight/
    http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/scandal-episode-one-and-episode-two-open-thread-what-did-you-think-of-the-show/

    • @dani-BBW 
       
      I was just thinking about all the crap Shonda was getting and the flack she was getting about Scandal. I have to laugh at the people that were waiting for it to fail within the first season. I just hope people continue to support it.

  80. So… what if Fitz wakes up and has temporary brain damage to the point he believes Olivia is his wife and won’t shut up about her? LOL
     
    I also wonder when we’re going to see he and Mellie’s current two children.
     
    I really cannot wait for next week’s winter finale!

    • @dani-BBW Mellie(Bellamy Young) said on a podcast that Fitz will NOT have brain damage but she didn’t say anything about temporary amnesia.

    • @dani-BBW “So… what if Fitz wakes up and has temporary brain damage to the point he believes Olivia is his wife and won’t shut up about her? LOL”
      O.o   LOL for real!

    • @dani-BBW You know, I was thinking about that earlier today and realized that even if Fitz repeatedly calls out her name people will just assume that he wants to “Liv”. LOL.

  81. The best thing about Olivia is that though she is highly smart, accomplished and on her professional game she is also human and thus flawed at times.  Her crippling love for Fitz is example A of this.  It may be her undoing but for now it keeps her going.

  82. I have to admit, I have not seen this show yet and with this article plus my Facebook & Twitter going on a Scandal frenzy, I am now going to take a stab at this show, start a Scandal Marathon this week.  HELLO NETFLIX or…

  83. Check out Kerry Washington, Shonda Rimes and Judy Smith on Oprah’s Next Chapter on Sunday, December 9 2012 at 9:00 p.m. et . I also can’t wait to see the next episode of this hot show.  Everywhere you go people are speculating who the real shooter is and it isn’t Huck. The latest theory is that the Vice-President has something to do with this shooting and considering the dirt Olivia and Cyrus have dug up it would not be a surpise.

    • @AuraBorealis Aura, I have no problem with you wanting to share your blog. Heck–I’ve been there. But you’re dangerously close to spamming today.

      • @Christelyn   @AuraBorealis If you’d like I can leave the posts up and remove the links.

        • @Brenda55  @AuraBorealis No. Leave it. Like I said, not gonna knock a hustle, but it needs to be done with a bit more finesse.

        • @Christelyn @AuraBorealis
          Your wish is my command. LOL.
          I think that there is a way for Aura to attach the links to her screen name so that if you click on it it goes to her site. I know others here do that.  That is the tasteful way to do it.

        • @oh please 
           
          Pit Bull? You dare.  That is a dog for hood rats.
          I am an English Mastiff thank you very much. 
          Packs a  much bigger bite.
          Make a note of that.

        • @Christelyn   @Brenda55 sorry it’s just i always leave my link with comments and i haven’t checked your blog for a while so I’ve just been going through all the posts and commenting. Not a spammer, promise.

    • @Christelyn  
       
      Talk about kicking Blackistan in the ba$$$/uterus with that line. Hahaha.

  87. “Oprah’s Next Chapter” with Kerry Washington, Shonda Rhimes and Judy Smith looks like a good one (just started)… 😀

    • @Bellydancer  I am begging these types to stop watching.  It is starting to get embarrassing. 
       
      I’m like, Tyler Perry is okay for the bible thumpers (giving the Bible a baaaad name) while vilifying women, and songs about infidelity are okay, but this deserves a soapbox?   I’m just like, “Please just stay on TBS and BET and be done with it”.  They are actually making this “moment”, because this is a moment in television, annoying.If these women are not adult enough, in their sensibilities, to watch this show and not feel beholden to a life of infidelity (or the sanctioning of it), then maybe the problem lies more with them, then with sane viewers.  I don’t mean to be so harsh but, my gosh.

    • @Bellydancer I agree with some of her points, but this is just a fictional show as you’ve said. Anyone grown adult with a working brain could watch this show and know that in real life both of these characters would be considered morally bankrupt; doesn’t take a genius.

  89. @EmilySpring @uninterracial I was hesitant to even bring the madness over here but on some forums you have people who just can’t seem to stop focusing on the adulterous relationship even though other sins have been committed. I do strongly think if this show was about two white leading actors doing this there would not be this much flack over some cheating. This diva person seemed perturbed over that fact that the garden speech touched a lot of people and igniting some passions in some women. Well damn that is the type of shit that women like to hear or think they want to here so yeah women glommed on to that. Hell I even was ready to turn in my feminism card after hearing all that (lol)relationships are complicated enough in real life we get it, cheating is wrong better to divorce than live a lie but this is a tv show so of course he is not leaving well at least not yet (lol)

    • @Bellydancer  @EmilySpring  @uninterracial You’d think these people would be more upset about Huck’s rising body count, or Hollis Doyle getting away with murdering 7 innocent people, or Cyrus ordering the death of Amanda Tanner and her unborn child. Last I checked, “Thou shalt not kill” comes before “Thou shalt not commit adultery”, so I’m guessing that God considers it a worst sin to take someone’s life than to betray them with another lover.
       
      And yes, that scene in the rose garden was very hot, for all the reasons you point out. In fact, I would say that scene is hotter than any love-making scene could ever be. Even one between TG and KW, and those two have amazing on-screen chemistry.

  90. @Brenda55 
    Yes, Madame, I dare.  There is nothing English nor dainty about you.  You are a big, mean, and nasty pit bull.  You and Jamilla are bullies.  Yes, I am sure you two are very proud of yourselves.   You two are exactly the people Christlyn was speaking of last month, mean and snobby.
    I point the two of you out because you two are quick to jump on someone’s opinion.  But, everyone has to go along with your opinions.  Hey, it is only an opinion.  Will the world change?  Probably not.  Before the moderators took over this blog it was a happier place where people could comment, not any more.
    Christlyn probably have not noticed or care to noticed that some of her long time supporters do not comment as much as they used to.  Some of those people helped make this blog popular, not just the two moderators in question.   This needed to be said.  The higher one climbs, the harder it will be when he or she falls.

    • @oh please 
       
      Awww shoot.  You missed the joke.
      Here is a photo of an English Mastiff.
      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5jzJ6LjwpE0/UJlOaeDt6AI/AAAAAAAAAQw/hYMu9LvZ8oA/s1600/English+Mastiff+Dog03.jpg
       
      Nope not dainty at all nor meant to be. They count among the finest gaurd dog on the planet.  I know I used to own one. 
       
      The moderators are not going anywhere so best accept that fact. Play by the terms of service and you are fine. Fail to do that and yes the Mastiff will pay you a visit.  It is just that simple. 
       
      If you have any other beef take it up with the site owner.  I take my marching orders from her.
       
      This is the last I will be addressing you. Consider it an early Christmas gift from me to you.  You get the last word.
       
      Toodles. (finger wave)

    • @oh please  @Brenda55 The funny part about this is that I actually moderate LESS than I have in the past. I don’t moderate every post–usually only the comments sections of the posts I make, and I don’t even ATTEMPT to erase anything unless it is borderline offensive (and I don’t want the thread to go completely off the wheels) or the comment has been flagged. I hadn’t even commented on this thread until you brought up my name. Don’t blame me because you (or anyone else) chooses not to comment. Furthermore, there is no obligation for anyone to reply to my comments. 
       
      But, you are entitled to your opinion. That is all.

  93. Uhm so yeah. i have pretty much watched that clip below (you know the whole “right there on that desk”)  a trillion times and  don’t think I will stop viewing it anytime soon.
     
    DAYUM. That is some hot isht! I feel so weird for viewing that clip over and over an wishing it..was me. HEHEHE!!

  94. @EmilySpring  @Bellydancer  You’re not being harsh. These people are playing crazy, and behaving like they can’t tell the difference between a real life extra-marital affair and acting. Plus, they’re trying to play the religion card, but it’s pretty obvious it’s all about race. I have never seen this sort of reaction to any other bit of fiction. The most popular novels of all times involve illicit love affairs – Madame Bovary, Wuthering Heights and Anna Karenina (recently made into a movie for the 4th or 5th time) top the list. But I guess since those characters all shared the same “race” that’s okay. SMH.

  95. @Brenda55 @Christelyn @Skayi Holy crap…yo…there are no words for that. I needed to not watch that at work. #hotandbothered

  96. @dani-BBW ” My next question is how did everyone else find out about Oliva and Fitz? Verna, Stephen, Cyrus, etc?”
    Verna guessed from seeing the two of them together, Cyrus walked in on them kissing in episode 1, and she told Stephen because he’s her best friend.

    • @AndreaLThorsen Oh so that’s when Olivia said “He didn’t tell you? He tells you everything. Because it didn’t mean anything.” I thought she was talking to Cyrus about Amanda Tanner but it seemed weird she was so angry that Cyrus didn’t know that. I really need to watch the episodes in spatial order, i.e. start with the Trail, then Happy Birthday Mr Pres, etc to see how everything unfolds in real time.

    • @SirLoinDeBeef He does have it! Tony G mentioned that he studied Clinton extensively to prepare for the role (and that he had seen him in person several times). Definitely has the walk of confidence, I’d be curious to know if he really walks like that in real life.

      • @dani-BBW  @SirLoinDeBeef I saw Clinton in real life recently in Philly. right before Obama’s re-election…and the man still has IT.

  98. —–SPOILER ALERT for the Oprah/Kerry Washington show——
     
    After watching interviews with Kerry, Shonda and Judy Smith (the real-life Olivia Pope), I will revel even more in Olivia Pope’s flawed personal life and choices.  Shonda and Kerry talked about this representative Black female character, but as a departure from the drone-like perfect Claire Huxtable to the flawed and complex humanity that we see in “White” characters all the time.  Olivia isn’t a mammy, Jezebel or Mrs. Huxtable.  She is a somewhat tragic, feminine, beautiful and strong persona that is offered up over and over again in great literature.  Like others have said, there isn’t all this handwringing about Anna Karenina or Becky Sharp.
     
    I’d kick an Olivia Pope’s *** if she was my close friend or family member, but this. Is. Not. Really. Happening. Just like I watched Silence of the Lambs and rooted for the maniacal Hannibal the Cannibal, or pull for Nucky Thompson in Boardwalk Empire to evade the Feds and rival gangsters without mistaking that affinity for a newly discovered moral dilemma to self-flagellate about.  I sleep like a baby at night, in my imaginary Team Olitz t-shirt.
     
    On another note, the actress who plays Mellie appeared briefly in the Oprah interview when they toured the studio lot and she looks like such a nice woman.  You know how some actors so embody their characters that, even when offscreen, you see them as the characters they play?  She didn’t come off anything like Mellie does (to whom I am severely allergic), though I’m sure she has heard an earful from Olitz fans lol.

    • @Statuesque The actress who plays Abby seems really sweet as well. I LOVE the fan engagement with the cast, it really brings it home that these are good people working really hard at their craft to give us the best entertainment possible. In the interview Shonda mentioned that she vetted the cast and crew hard to make sure there were no a$$holes. Seems like it worked! Everyone just radiates positivity.

    • @Statuesque 
       
      “After watching interviews with Kerry, Shonda and Judy Smith (the real-life Olivia Pope), I will revel even more in Olivia Pope’s flawed personal life and choices.  Shonda and Kerry talked about this representative Black female character, but as a departure from the drone-like perfect Claire Huxtable to the flawed and complex humanity that we see in “White” characters all the time.  Olivia isn’t a mammy, Jezebel or Mrs. Huxtable.  She is a somewhat tragic, feminine, beautiful and strong persona that is offered up over and over again in great literature.  Like others have said, there isn’t all this handwringing about Anna Karenina or Becky Sharp.”
       
      This is why I really like Olivia Pope. She really does represent, what I think at least, is the MODERN WOMAN, who just so happens to be black. How many of us haven’t been or at least know of people that have been in a conflicted relationship?? Also, when I say modern woman, I mean a woman that doesn’t have to follow the rules people want her to follow. 
       
      I was really annoyed that people couldn’t get passed the fact that Olivia didn’t represent those three stereotypes. What I honestly think is that with many of the critics (many of which I think were Black)  just couldn’t fathom a BW on tv that didn’t represent either of those terrible stereotypes. I really do think its a self-fulfilling prophesy with some people. Or since she was going to be the lead, her love interest HAD to be Black. 
       
      What really did it with some of those critics is that they didn’t and probably still don’t want to get passed the fact that Olivia is Black and Fitz is White, which is shallow as hell. Olivia has a lot of layers and so does her relationship with Fitz. I don’t think people have to like the relationship Fitz and Olivia have since he is married. But at least be a little less lazy and dense by not pointing out that that their relationship is wrong because of their race.

      • @BeautyIAM  @Statuesque “What really did it with some of those critics is that they didn’t and probably still don’t want to get passed the fact that Olivia is Black and Fitz is White, which is shallow as hell.”
         
        The smart ones are careful not to say it outright. But, yes, I also believe that this is why they have an issue with fictional adultery all of a sudden. The dumb ones brought long dead folk (Sally and Thomas) into it, and look the fool now that it’s been addressed. So, now there is nothing left to do but claim Scandal is against the will of God. LOL. Not surprisingly, these are the same people who usually have something nasty to say about real-life IRR couples (who are not committing adultery), if they’re composed of a BW and non-BM, and anyone who celebrates such unions.

  99. Ladies, did you all know that Tony Goldwyn portrayed a villian in the movie Ghost? Starring Patrick Swazye, Demi Moore, and Whoopie Goldberg? I thought he looked familiar.

    • @AminahMatthews No, I had never seen him before this. He looks so young, hard to believe he’s in his 50’s with two grown daughters!

      • @dani-BBW 50’s?? I didn’t know that. Doesn’t matter though cause he’s still cute. 😀

    • @AminahMatthews 
       
      Yup, I knew his face the first time I saw him in the pilot episode. All I thought was “oh damn…that’s the dude that killed my Sam in Ghost” while I was mean mugging him. Haha. But he has totally redeemed  himself, Its funny because Tony knew that’s how a lot of us saw him.

    • @AminahMatthews  He’s been behind the scenes as a Director for a hot minute…ever see the movie “Man on the moon”? with Diane Lane & Viggo Mortensen?..if you have then you have seen the scorching hott love scenes in the movie…oh yes it appears that TG can play out passion both in front and behind the scenes….he also directed for SR, some episodes of PPractice or GA..I forgot which one..

    • @AminahMatthews Tony(Fletcher Coal) was also in The Pelican Brief with Denzel Washington & Julia Roberts, I love this movie.

  100. @Bellydancer I can actually cosign some of what that blog is saying though the Bible verses threw me too (I guess it’s a religious blog?). Apparently, she’s addressing people she knows or has seen idolizing this relationship and Fitz, into their personal lives, i.e. “this is what love is,” “I wish I had a guy like that.” I presume these are younger people who have not had much relationship experience and are getting carried away. I think the blogger is right to point out the more practical side of the matter for the demographic she’s engaging with. I’m not 100% convinced that Olivia and Fitz have true love, I think they very deeply feel something that seems like love. But until they are out in the open living an authentic relationship, complete with all of the burdens that come with an authentic relationship and away from the hazy seduction of the forbidden, to me, their love is untested. I still have reservations about Fitz’ character (he has an honesty problem) because he was all talk while living the best of both worlds. Very easy to sell wolf tickets when there’s no chance it’ll get punched. In my opinion, the most loving thing he’s done was to let her go. THAT is true love to me, wanting the best for someone else though it may conflict with your own personal desires. There is no way in hell their affair was best for Olivia. 
     
    That said, I am looking forward to more juicy flashbacks!! We’ve seen trees, two tables, a wall, several beds, what on earth could be next?? *anxiously awaiting*

  103. Ladies, President Fitzgerald Grant will be on Live w/ Kelly & Michael tomorrow morning check your local listings and don’t get any ideas cuz he’s mine lol

      • @dani-BBW I know right.  After watching this clip I googled his wife out of curiosity and I can understand why he may have a little crush on Kerry.  That’s all I’m saying.

        • @jamaica68  @dani-BBW  *smacking Jamaica68’s hand*You know his wife gave birth , raised two GIRLS (stress)… now adults!  Be nice, lol!  He looks like he’s been living in lobster juice!  She did her thing and got her man.  They’ve been married for over 20 years, I think they are lovely (and are probably going strong).  🙂

        • @jamaica68  WTH?!  I can understand why he likes doing those loves scenes let along having a crush. Geez! And now we see why he looks at Kerry with so much passion. Girl that’s REAL. lol

        • @EmilySpring  lol. you’re right. As much as it pains me, I’ll be nice. But Tony and Kerry look so good together. 😀

        • @jamaica68 “After watching this clip I googled his wife out of curiosity and I can understand why he may have a little crush on Kerry.  That’s all I’m saying.”
           
           
          AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
           
          Don’t you let nobody round these parts hear you saying his wife may have let herself go….it will be WWIII!!
           
          Real talk though, while there isn’t anything going on with them, he is totally smitten. Every interview he goes out of his way to compliment Kerry, he’s always touching or kissing her when they do interviews together. He doesn’t say much about his wife, he only mentions them being in the business together. He does mention his daughters very lovingly but I feel like he’s purposely toeing a line… I’ll just say that I hope all is well in his household.
           
          But his enthusiasm for Scandal is so cute overall. In 50 years of showbiz, this is probably the most fame he’s gotten – he’s getting chased down by Scandal fans, he has a zillion new Twitter followers and he gets to play the President of the United States who frequently makes out with Kerry Washington. He’s having the time of his life playing Fitz! I can’t knock him for being over the moon. Enjoy it while it lasts.

        • @dani-BBW  @jamaica68 here is another thought…wifey seems to wear a lot of pants suits. Lavender marriage?? Eh, he like it, I love it.

        • @Bellydancer  @jamaica68 Can we not do this re. the Mrs? 
          Speculation is pointless and IMO disrespectfull.

        • @Bellydancer 
           
          Thank-you.   There have been some really nasty, hurtful and undeserved things said about her around the Scandal blogs and many site owners are calling people on that stuff and appealing to people’s better natures.
           
          Agaid thanks for removing your comment.

  104. @Bellydancer I agree the Bible verses are a bit unnecessary in regards to this show/topic but I see her reasoning for pointing out that being the side chick is notthat romantic. For unmarried and perhaps lonely for love BW, they really, really believe a man will throw away any/everything for them. Sadly, look at most of the ratchet (and honestly wholly embarrassing) trash tv of BW fighting for some loser of a man. Perhaps we could look at The Diva’s post as a public service announcement for those with a serious lack of critical thinking skills?
    Personally, I know this TV SHOW ain’t real life so I’m going to watch the soul version of the desk scene casting myself in the lead role. TG is tooooo hot.

    • @CleverScorp I agree nobody wants to be the side chick but this is a tv show for entertainment purposes and people are getting down right self righteous about this subject matter when this same subject matter in other shows does not get much play. We know if the two leads were white nobody would care.

  105. @dani-BBW  @Brenda55  @theponds please. quinn betta back down before she end up in a body bag. Asking all them questions.

  106. @Statuesque  @WorldTravelingChic  @AndreaLThorsen  @jldrumm1 Yeah, I’m happy for huck but i think she might be one o david’s plants.

      • @dani-BBW I know.
         
        Something is off, because why would he go there of all places? That would be one of the first places the FBI would look.

    • @ART-GIRL  I think he’ll wake up for the new episode next year.  I think this week’s focus will be on catching Huck.

  109. Saw the promos.  I am calling bullshit if Liv tries to “’FIX”’ this for Huck at the same time acting as White House spokesperson. In fact as soon as they find out that it was Huck Liv should be out of the White House all together.  Harrison should lead on this.
     
    This should be interesting.,

    • @Brenda55 Don’t you think it’s a set up though, or Huck did that to protect Liv? He is supposed to be a killer shot or marks man (is that what you call it here?) So deliberately missed and Fitz was taken down by someone else???!!! I just can’t wait for tomorrow!

      • @ForeverSerenity
         I have no idea what is up with Huck.  Maybe there is a Manchurian Candidate thing there.  I thought the shooter would be Charlie. Huck’s face showing up in that last shot of the episode through me for a loop.

        • @Brenda55  @ForeverSerenity I don’t think Huck did the shooting. I think it was Charlie and Huck found out what Charlie was about to do and went to stop it but came too late. If Huck was aiming for Fitz, Fitz would be dead not in surgery. Also where is Huck’s GF?

    • @Brenda55 I don’t know if I’ll be able to watch. The clip I saw today was incredibly sad. 
       
      ***Spoiler alert***  
       
      Not one for funeral planning.

    • @Brenda55 Strangest scene I have ever seen. Everything about that was weird and uncomfortable – the makeup, wardrobe, lighting, props and dialogue. Yikes. Poor Tony, someone dug up an old episode of Matlock he was on in the 80s. I could feel him cringe through the tweet. Tis the life of fame, lol.

    • @Brenda55 thanks for posting this….im laughin because the quality is oh so ghetto…and add the cheesy music…hahah…loved it.

    • @Brenda55 Well dang…I see tony don’t mind doing love scenes with black women unlike some white men celebs who might have a problem with it.. I’m liking him more and more.

    • @Bellydancer  @jamaica68 
      Girlfriend.  You have seen his hands and you have seen his feet. He is in proportion so you already know the answer to your question. Stop playin’.

      • @Brenda55  I just didn’t want you all to slut shame me (shy voice) LOL
        He is ahem a big boy standing 6’2 so I guess (shy voice again) LOL

      • @jamaica68  @Bellydancer 
        Now I am totally shocked at you ladies designing to violate patient privacy like that. 
         
        One must always be professional and therapeutic at all times no matter how hot the patient is. (Had a hard time with that when I got a guy as buff and gorgeous as Tony which fortunately was rare.)
         
        Poor man. Him laying up there all injured, helpless and unconscious and…in need of a bed bath after surgery.
         
        Some RN will be assigned to give it. Heee, heee, heee.
        .

      • @AminahMatthews Thanks I got a bit confused because someone on twitter said it was on at 2:30am. So is it on  tonight as in thursday? I was planning on watching it tomorrow morning UK time.

        • @theponds  @AminahMatthews Hi, There’s only a time change in Philadelphia because of the football game tonight, it will air in its regular time slot every where else.

  117. 2 hours to go, I’m not watching anymore sneak peeks. I’m ready for the real thing 🙂
     
    Enjoy the show ladies!!!

    • @AminahMatthews 
       
      If you look at the clues, it couldn’t have been Huck. I was so emotional last week and totally thought it was him. But Huck wouldn’t have been so sloppy if he intended to kill the president. He wouldn’t have worn a red hoddy. If Huck was going to do it, it would have been more strategic.

  122. Okay, five minutes in and already soooo many questions.  I knew that Cocaine chick was a set-up because Huck said the other assassins nicknamed him Spin because they all said he would wind up a spinster who couldn’t find anyone.

    • Men that are socially awkward don’t normally get women that just walk up and start talking to them and then hitting on them out of the blue without it being a set-up.

      • @MadamCJCPA ************ SPOILER *****************
        Wow! That room Huck found in her place. Just how deep does this run?

    • @AminahMatthews Really? Yes, it quite the scandal.  Cyrus is the leader of the Republican Party and gay, can you imagine that IRL?

  133. Noooooo! I don’t want a “winter break” until Jan. 10! I knew it going into this episode; but I still don’t like it. lol

  136. I love all the strong women on this show, Olivia, Mellie, Verna, Sally & Becky a/k/a Cocaine(that’s her street name lol)
     
    Verna is gangsta ain’t she, sista doesn’t act like she has cancer!!!

  137. I believe the Vice President is behind the shooting. I find it beyond odd that she would want to be out in public — on the South lawn of the White House — just moments after the POTUS is nearly shot dead (I’m referring to last week). I would want all the security I could get, unless I knew that I was not in any immediate danger. Yet, she needed Verna to tell her that Huck was the person of interest. So, that’s a little confusing.
     
    And Verna is such a selfish beyotch! She’s dying, but she is willing to betray Liv and get an innocent man sent to his death just so she can remain on the bench until she drops dead. And why didn’t Liv tell Verna about the VP making her daughter get an abortion at 13? That was weird too. The VP doesn’t want anyone to know what a two-faced hypocrite she is.
     
    It’s gonna be hard waiting till January 10th for the next fix / episode.

    • @AndreaLThorsen I don’t think Sally is behnd the shooting. I think Becky was hired by Hollis and Sally saw a chance and grabbed it without delay.
       
      I don’t know that Verna is being entirely selfish. Everyone is clearly out for themselves, it’s self-preservation. Besides she doesn’t know that Huck is innocent, she just knows that she can give them a suspect.

  139. Woo Hoo!  I just watched the episode on Hulu (making me late for my day)..  What do I get for an almost winning theory!  I didn’t anticipate the remote rifle…”THEORY: Huck is not the shooter.  Either “Cocaine” is or she lured him to the room where either she or “Charlie” took the shots.  That would explain the messy scene in the hotel room (not very assassin-like of “Charlie” or “Huck” – but messy enough for an assassin to have difficulty cleaning up in time) and his “date” that was planned for that evening.  This could explain “Huck’s state of mind” and the uneasy look on his face as he was trying to locate all of the bullet casings.  His shock might have been his attempt to save her hide and clean up whatever evidence he could gather, or to save his own hide as he knew he had just been setup.  He also revealed, in S2 episode 6 that he wanted to live a normal life because he now had a girl in front of the other assassins giving Charlie some leverage.  Charlie could have set Huck up by luring Huck to the hotel room using “Cocaine” as either an accomplice or as a hostage.  With “Cocaine” as a hostage (even after the shooting), Huck would not be free to give his side of the story until he knew she was safe… I don’t know.  I’m pulling this out of my ear.”
     
    @Brenda – What the heck happened to my points!?!?!?!?!?  I was eeking by with under 200pts.  I’m not familiar with how the system works.  Can you explain so I can figure out how to build them up… I’m slightly competitive (lol)  :).

    • @EmilySpring  
      I can’t answer that question.  I have no idea what the point system means of why it is there.

  140. I could watch this episode a million times, but I have responsibilities (damnit!)…SCANDAL SEASON 2: EPISODE 9  – Airdate: 12/13/2012http://www.hulu.com/watch/435084
     
    I also started watching the first season of SCANDAL on NETFLIX last weekend… I loved it when I first watched, but NOW… it is EVEN better knowing everything we know now!  I love this show…

  141. The body count on this show is starting to get to me, particularly last night’s killing of Huck’s “family.” Killing kids/innocents is a jarring plot device I can always do without.
     
    Last week, I thought the juxtaposition of the shooting and the eroticism of the Fitz & Liv love story was done beautifully. Tony Goldwyn & Kerry Washington always give great performances, but they really nailed it last week (no pun intended). However, last night…well…it became crystal clear to me that the Fitz & Liv story is 99.9% of why I tune in. I can get most of that other stuff watching Criminal Minds or some show on FX.

  142. There is some diabolical estrogen-fueled stuff going on here.  This episode was really deep and played up the female villains, victims and pols.  While I really hate what they did to Huck’s family, the portrayal of Becky is unprecedented and really interesting.  I just know Mellie is at the center of this, with the former Veep.  Hollis is like a dog off the leash.  I don’t think he is the mastermind.  Maybe there is an unnamed character and plot twist coming out of this.  It seems clear, though, that Huck’s too dangerous to try openly.  He knows too much.

    • @jldrumm1 
       
      Huck wasn’t responsible for shooting Fitz. Becky was. She set him up. Also Becky killed the family. She is something else all together. Huck did not do it.

  144. What’s the haps.  
     
    Saw last nights episode of Scandal and it was WACK.   
     
    Who cares that Huck’s family was killed by some piece of garbage named, typically, “Becky” whom’s the so-called real shooter with a remote controlled semi-automatic weapon, the most dumbest plot line I’ve seen in years.     Oh yeah, the feds came and got him after some Supreme Court justice was told to step down by the V.P. turned president chick the justice came back tellin’ the interim prez you want the small or the big of it?   The feds got Huck, bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha.
     
    I thought this show was supposed to be about Olivia Pope and President Fitz or whatever his name is, without dude, ain’t no show.   The only person worth caring about in the very least is the rethug gay dude and his tired “husband”, gettin’ some chip for the Iowa Dybold machines proving the “other guys” are the baddies, the whole plot line is stupid.    “Nashville” has a much better political plot line than this show, for real.   Scandal had promise in the beginning but has seriously gone into stupidity mode, don’t need to wait until January, I was bored with it.   I have no sympathy nor empathy for Olivia Pope, they might as well gotten some no-named actress to play the part because, so far, it’s a waste of my eyeball time (lol), sorry.    Props for and to Shonda Rimes for gettin’ her vehicles off the ground and deals made with A major network, ABC television though I have never liked Grey’s Anatomy, and after that WACK episode last night of Scandal, don’t think I need to wait for January to see its (most likely stupid) anti-climactic brouhaha about the shooting of the so-called “president and the search for “Becky”, gtfohwtbs, WACK!

    • @DeepWater
       
      Glad to see that I was not the only one who thought this episode was wrack. The Bullshit meter hit the red zone with that episode.
      Scandal just took a turn into bizarro world for me last night. How far over the top do we need to go? Mars?
       
      Why isn’t Olivia and all of OPA in jail for harboring a fugitive?
       
      I am sticking with this for OLITZ, FAPOTUS and I have just got to see how this all ends up. I can suspend my disbelief pretty far but come on Shonda re reasonable.
       
      Oh and don’t so some corny shit like Fitz waking up just because Liv puts her head on his chest.

      • @Brenda55  @DeepWater Yup. In real life, Olivia and all of ’em would be locked away.   I don’t know what was wrong with Huck.  He got played like a Nintendo.

        • @Bellatrix79  @DeepWater His brains went below his belt after he got some.  Happens to a lot of guys.

        • @Bellatrix79  @Brenda55    That’s what I’m sayin’, y’all (Olivia and crew) would have have been in straight locked up when the feds came to get Huck.   I just didn’t get some of this at all.   How come the guy playin’ Huck seems like he’s some mentally challenged autistic person and supposed be an assassin for a living, I would think he’d have to have some looks and some measure of class to pass among the population without “question”.   Maybe I’m twisting things with “Bond” but why this dude, not hot at all and some woman (“Becky”) is supposed be wanting him, for real?   Maybe I’m slow but I just don’t get it.

        • @DeepWater  @Bellatrix79 Well its like this even muddy water will put out a fire. Becky is not fussy. Guess she likes her men gritty and mentally unbalanced.  Don’t knock it Huch may be off the chain in bed. Don’t think so but  I am not Becky.

        • @DeepWater  @Bellatrix79  @Brenda55 Um, Becky wasn’t that fly herself. And um, Huck(Guillermo Diaz) could get it ANY day. I dunno. I like em  a tad weird looking. I think he’s incredibly sexy. Especially playing an assassin. The gay men must have a field day with him in real life! LOL!!

        • @DeepWater  @Bellatrix79  @Brenda55 I like Huck as an assassin/former spy, because he looks regular as hell. All the spies did from that episode. I think Bourne, Bond, etc have clouded people’s idea of what spies look like. If you look at the famous assassins or would be assassins (who many people question whether they were spies and/or were in programs for mind control) – Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray, Hinckley, etc, they aren’t the least bit glamorous and seemed a bit socially awkward.

    • @DeepWater  Maybe it’s because I watched the episode a million times.
       
      Huck was “called out” by Verna – Verna, OLIVIA’S MENTOR AND FRIEND, would not want Olivia Pope to go down, or tear down the legacy of an administration that named her as Supreme Court Justice.  That would not be in her own self-interest.  As shady as all the back room deals are that we are seeing based on the experiences of an actual D.C. insider, Judy Smith, I honestly cannot see HOW or WHY it would have worked out any other way.  Pope being implicated would trigger such a humongous investigation and crisis in the nation.  No BS on my radar there (maybe the Quinn storyline, yes…some major B.S.).  Not living the life of the streets has its privileges as, yes agents could go in and do a targeted snatch as opposed to a sweep, which really isn’t even guaranteed…the Pope team may go in for questioning or get arrested (which would be stupid of Verna) – we don’t yet know.
       
      After watching the climactic finales of, what seems to be, the 8th and 9th episodes of the second season of a show that you don’t seem familiar with and declaring that you never liked Grey’s Anatomy, you don’t find it kind of “troll-like” to get on boards to basically “crab in a barrel” a show that you don’t understand?  “Becky” as is “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm” (the Children’s book) as in season ONE Huck and Charlie revealing their names are codenames – just one of the million references you were not going to “get” having not watched the series and possibly having not read the book (or so it seems – How could you not know who Abby is?) That’s just being negative.
       
      Nashville is fine and is a typical drama with zero “lite” moments, and I like the two female lead characters, but I can’t sit through the music and my DISDAIN for some of the other characters (the bleached blonde o_O – is no one complaining about her facial expressions the way they do Kerry Washington’s – I mean really…), so….. I don’t watch.  Clearly, other people enjoy Nashville, so I don’t see it as my duty to “rain on their parade” and post, on fan threads, how WACK the show is and basically “curse” its future, “Scandal had promise in the beginning but has seriously gone into stupidity mode, don’t need to wait until January, I was bored with it.   I have no sympathy nor empathy for Olivia Pope, they might as well gotten some no-named actress to play the part because, so far, it’s a waste of my eyeball time (lol), sorry.”…DeepWater???  I’d love to see the list of shows you watch that are so epic and mind-blowing…
       
      For those of us who find merit in and outside of the OLITZ storyline (which I love), last night’s finale was the pièce de résistance for me.  I loved it and thought it brilliant.  MAYBE it was because I watched it so many times and am well-versed in D.C. and the detail of “Scandal”, but everything made sense to me including the fact that they, PEOPLE, could make mistakes (which the government does ALL OF THE TIME, and cleans up behind the backs of their citizenry on the regular).  Anyone know what happened to Blackwater?  U know what I’m saying?  I preferred last night’s episode to last week’s (which was good, too – a little too graphic for me and my style, but they are servicing different audience tastes).  The storylines and character psychology are things I appreciate from “Scandal” and shows like “Grey’s” pre-Lexie (when they started losing me) and post-Lexie… thank goodness that “crew” is gone.
       
      We don’t know who hired “Becky”, but “Becky” has clearly made some serious decisions in her own life and is her own woman.  Although she was hired to set Huck up and/or shoot the president and his press secretary, she, did not believe it as necessary to completely implicate Huck.  It’s almost as if she saw it as an opportunity to not be a loner anymore in her “Kill Bill” assassin-like lifestyle.  She set Huck up enough to where he would really have little choice, but to stay with her… in her own way she cared about him.  What she may not have gotten from the person who hired her or their liaison (possibly Charlie) was that completely setting Huck up was almost as important as taking the press secretary and the president down – important to a person with a vendetta against Huck.
       
      The Abby, redhead, storyline was a little weird, which is never a problem for me.  I don’t know why she went over to David’s (the District Attorney’s) apartment the way she did, but if it was NOT to “thank him” and “see him” again because of how she feels (completely), it might have something to do with Charlie revealing to Cyrus David’s involvement with a “redhead” and that David was in “cohoots” with Cyrus’ husband after having possibly monitored both.  Abby might have gotten that memory card away from David during their tryst… who knows.
       
      The last  episode seemed to have satisfied most folks on the Internet including some of its hard to please male viewer’s.  My point is, “Scandal”, and its last episode, are FAR from WACK.  It just seems to be a show for which you are not the audience… and that is okay.

      • @EmilySpring  @DeepWater I couldn’t have said it better myself.
         
        Regarding Abby, I don’t think she knows about the memory card. I think she’s conflicted because she still has feelings for David but at the same time she’s also disgusted and ashamed with herself for wanting to be with someone she thinks is an abuser. I think the slapping thing was supposed to provoke David into hitting her to see if he really is an abuser. It’s messed up but also enjoyable.

      • @EmilySpring  @DeepWater Emily.  Loved your analysis and in fact agree with much of it but come on.  Episode 9 was wacked. My guess is Shonda and Co. are attempting to expand the story line away from OLITZ which they need to do if this show is to have anysort of longevity. I just hope that they do not do it in an stupid way that insults the viewer intellegence and quite frankly some of what I saw Friday Morning indeed did.

        • @Brenda55  @DeepWater 
           
          See “wacked” I kinda get… it was all over the place, but I don’t think in a bad way.
           
          Don’t you get the sense that Tony Goldwyn has ants in his pants?  I feel like he would be ready to “bounce” from “Scandal” in a minute.  Shonda has definitely got to expand her storylines away from Olitz (even though they are soooo amazing to watch together).  They’ll definitely need to do that for longevity.
           
          I’m still trying to get what was so offensive about what went down in the last episode? 
           
          btw unless you all have Hulu+ or DVR’d “Scandal”, it will be difficult to rewatch the episode due to the tragedy in Connecticut.  Apparently, ABC pulled it from the “free” Internet due to the violence (the family, including the children having been shot).

        • @EmilySpring@DeepWater
          SR asked TG to do the seven episode season one.  He did not even have to audition for it. He was never supposed to be a major player on this show.  The show was built around KW’s character and the whole OPA case of the week.
           
          Steven Finch was supposed to be the leading man IMO but the fans went ga ga for TG and OLITZ. Finch was written out of the show.
           
          I do not think that SR expected Scandal to get picked up for another 13 episodes. When it did they have been scrambling around TG’s schedule ever since. First the Tokyo trip and now him being shot and out of commission for an extended period.
           
          SR knows that the fans what to see in this order TG then TG with KW then the White House intrigue then the rest of the show.
           
          If TG goes so does most of the audience. IMO the writers are trying to buy time and come up with a show independent of TG that will hold the interests of the fans who like him and the OLITZ relationship. Good luck with that. Nearly ever blog I read is about TG and or OLITZ with a mention of the other parts of the show.
           
          So I do not think he wants to bounce. He is having fun with this but has other commitments. He is shopping a series of his own for AMC (which sounds interesting BTW) and if it get picked up he will be producing and directing that. A busy guy.
           
          Pudding Pop is not cutting it with the OLITZ fans and it has been like that from the beginning and is not getting better.
          I think the show can survive a TG departure but only if the replacement is much like him i.e. another hot white guy, in a powerful D.C. position to play opposite KW. In fact they may be able to pick up more of an audience if they shuttled the EMA angle (which I don’t have a problem with) but had another reason for a complicated DL relationship with this man.

        • @EmilySpring@DeepWater
          I did not find E9 offensive. It was ridiculous is spots.
           
          The Huck set up was fine. The attempting to clear Huck of the attempted murder of Fitz was not. That whole deal was cray cray and flies in the face of common sense and logic.

        • @Brenda55  @EmilySpring   I feel you on the plotline.  However, SR changed up too early in said plotline.   Give it moment to settlle in before staryijng away from its initial offerings.   
           
          You know, and no jokes, kidding, or “hate”, I have stated in other posts that “we” Black follk, Black women in most particular, need many more offerings in the future.    That said, unfortunately, this show, in my humble opiinion, needs more “grit”.    Too many ideas are floating about.    I’ve been told to stick an idea and build upon it.
           
          I like Shonda Rimes.   I want to see her succeed.   
           
          Sadly, I believe that since we as Black folk are not used to succeeding in the television arena, she is adding all of her ideas in one shot.      There is much better writing and ideas in other shows.     I liked this idea in the beginning, however, its turning out to be, “camp”.    Without hurting anyhones’ feelings and since this is new to “us” one needs to begin the writing process SLOWLY.       Don’t give me everyvthing in one shot.
           
          I’m not here to shoot anyone down, what I do believe is happening is that since we as Black women are not as familiar with television writing in and of, previously, the long haul, have not developed in the way that White Holloywoood writers have.        
           
          That said, I think my statements are seen as “hateraid” toward a Black woman head writer of a major network television series.    If anything, I am proud and have the utmost fancy of Shonda Rimes.  She has broken through to major television and I am PROUD that she has done so.
           
          However, I believe that, along with “our” not being present in the macro she has too many ideas going in for few seasons.    Give us the story.  Give me the breakdown.   Then “fan out” to the larger picture.
           
          I’m not here to “hate” on anyone.      I want more cohesion with the storyline.      I want plots thought out more.    I want to “suspend my beliief” into the characters, and at this time, I don’t believe in any of them.
           
          I want to say that as a Black woman that, unfortunately, we are not used to writing Hollywood scale, television shows because we “Blackl women” are not used to writing and selling said shows on a regular basis.      That’s all I’m tryin’ to say.    We “Black wo,men writers and filmakers” are not used to selling, and for that matter, having our ideas bought and sold to the Amerian publiv on regular everyday basis.   
           
          II’m not here to “hate” on Shonda Rimes, I think there needs to be more cohesion in terms of thought for a “product” that’s sold to the American public.  Maybe I should have stated this, myself, in a more cohesive manner.   That is where I’m comin’ from.

        • @DeepWater@EmilySpring
          Don’t think that you are hating on SR or the show.  Your critique has been expressed by many other viewers.
           
          The show does lack focus and is trying to be too many things.
           
          I think that is was a mid-season filler and was not really expected to go anywhere. Remember SR had only 7 episodes to tell a story and thus season one was compressed.
           
          If you are a reader that would be much like a short story. Hit the ground running with the plot.
           
          The 13 week order of the show is more like a novella. A little more character development but still a quick read.
           
          The show recently got the back nine episodes and so must shift gears again. I have read that the organization of the show is one long arc whit several short ones and then the scandal of the week. By week 13 the current long arc should be wrapping up and another started for episodes 14-22. However anything can happen.
           
          I think much of the blame lay with the network and how they took a “earn it as you go” approach with this show. Not good for long term planing and I think that some of that shows on the screen. The show could be much better if ABC got behind it fully which I do not believe it has. It is succeeding in spite of the network IMO.

        • @DeepWater@EmilySpring
           
          Re. Black women in media. Sure we are hungry for content that reflects us to the point that we make a banquet out of the scrape that we do get . We expect that the very few representations of us on screen have to be all things to all of us. That is an impossible task for any writer.
           
          There is this call to stop complaining and get out there and create your own stories and distribute them. Some say that this is impossible. I say that in this day and age of the internet it is not. One has to start some where.

        • @Brenda55  @DeepWater  @EmilySpring I’m sure there are those at the network who would like the show to fail, even though it would cost them money if it did. There’s a reason there hasn’t been another TV drama headlined by a BW (even a stereotypical one) in my entire lifetime till now. And it is not a lack of talented Black actresses. Network executives sabotage successful shows that they don’t approve of. Off the top of my head — Threshold on CBS. I hope that doesn’t happen here.

        • @Brenda55  @EmilySpring  @DeepWater What is EMA? And why is the senator called “pudding pop” online? I’ve been meaning to ask about that, but forgot. Lol.

        • @AndreaLThorsen  @EmilySpring  @DeepWater 
          Sorry about that.
          EMA = Extra Marital Affair
          TOW = The Other Woman
          pudding pop. = nickname that Norm Lewis picked up from Shonda Rhimes
                                   who feels that he lookes like a young Bill Cosby.  Bill Cosby
                                   at one time was a pitch person for Jello.  Pudding Pops
                                  were a product that the company was pushing at one time.
                                  The Edison charater is called pudding pop because most
                                  OLITZ fans can’t stand him, want him out of Liv’s life so that
                                   there can be more hot scenes between Fitz and Liv.

        • @Brenda55 Thanks for clarifying.
          Personally, I like the senator, but I still want Olivia and Fitz to end up together. Throwing in another “hot White guy” is not going to cut it for me. But I like that senator character a lot. I liked him even more when I re-watched “Defiance” and Hollis Doyle didn’t want him to be Majority Leader because he had too much integrity to go along with what Hollis wanted. I still don’t want him with Liv though. OLITZ all the way! 🙂

      • @EmilySpring   The show suicked, my opinion.   This is America and I’m entitled to said opinion.   You don’t have to like me nor my opinion.   The show SUCKED and was WACK!!!   Hope it goes down in flames where it deserves to be.   Damned straight I ain’t the target audience because I don’t and won’t suffer stupidity.  MY OPINION.

  145. As a matter of fact the woman actor who plays the V.P., I think has the bestest, most juiciest parts and has outshined “Olivia Pope” by light years, she’s evil, plays her position to benefit her and to get what she wants, she to me, so far, is the best this show has to offer, and would be a better show all around based on THIS charachter.   She has the “juice” right now, the rest, a waste.

    • @DeepWater I like the character but it borders on caricature for me, the Southern accent is a bit too extreme. She’s a good actress, I remember her from when I used to watch Grey’s, so I’m not sure why the directors are okay with that kind of portrayal.

  146. Why did Becky/Cocaine set up Huck?  She could have done it on her own.  Someone wants to take Huck down and the president…The VP Chief of Staff Billy(?) from season 1 and the secret agent who killed Amanda Tanner perhaps?
     
    Why did Huck sleep with her after he found out that she was stalking him?  He should have killed her right then and there on that nasty carpet.

    • I think I recall Huck wanting to do a search on Cocaine, but Olivia said she is just a normal girl blah blah.  Maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

      • @Bellatrix79 You are remembering correctly.
        Here is the problem.  Liv’s famous gut is busted. She needs regular beef injections from Fitz to get right. Pudding Pop is not cutting it. Liv damn near got Fitz killed because she is out of wack.

        • @Brenda55 Haha @ Pudding Pop.  http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maqefqjZLw1qkx2vro1_500.gif

        • @Brenda55  @Bellatrix79 LMAOOO!! Brenda you are so right “She needs regular beef injections from Fitz to get right”….#DKM!!!

      • @Bellatrix79 Yes, she did tell him not to do the search. I wish he hadn’t listened to her on that one. 
         
        Olivia I think is a wee bit obsessed with the idea of normalcy in a relationship.

    • @Bellatrix79   You got it there, Bellatrix79, spot on.    Frankly, I did not understand that at all.   Yeah, Oh “We’re the same kind” she says and, yeah, they “do” each other on his or some nasty carpet and I’m like what?   What is this about?    
       
      Someone answer me this, who was the long haired blonde chick slappin some ugly dude, like three times, in the face and then screwin’ him on another nasty carpet behind some couch, you know, a dork dude with glasses, not attractive at all?   What was that supposed to be about they had some “50 Shades of Grey” stuff goin’ on.   I didn’t get that at all, obviously, a piece of the story line I’ve missed along the way somewhere (lol).

        • @Brenda55  @Bellatrix79    Bwwwwaaaahhhhaaaa.   O.k., obviously, I missed that along the way, lol.

      • @DeepWater Abby the redhead.  She works for Olivia.  Her previous husband abused her.  Olivia found out David (the DA (?) ) was getting close to figuring out the Cytron explosion and the poll rigging.  Once Liv found out Abby and David were getting intimate, she dug up some dirt on David to destroy their relationship.  Liv gave the info to Harrison.  Harrison then told Abby that David was abusive to his past gf (he wasn’t, but Harrison paid the gf off). Abby confronts David and breaks it off with him.
         
        I think Abby is still in love with David, but she is just feeling conflicted with her emotions.

        • @Bellatrix79@DeepWater
          Conflicted? and wanting to say thanks for the surveillance footage.  In her own unique way that is.

    • @Bellatrix79
      What? You have a problem with that carpet? So fussy. Geez.
      Huck did not what to believe that Becky set him up. That is normal.  Lots of guys don’t want to believe that their “Becky’s” would do such a thing. You know leave then hanging.
      (Oh and I think that Shonda picked the name Becky to be cute)
      Huck is DBR in fact he is the poster child for DBR the US government made him that way.

    • @Bellatrix79 
       
      Same questions I have. I never liked Becky. She was so weird. I wish Olivia didn’t get in his way when he wanted to do a background check. I’m annoyed that Olivia told Huck “she’s a normal girl.” How do you know Liv??? Her gut is just so broken right now.

    • @Bellatrix79 I’m just dying that the internet is referring to this woman as “Cocaine”. I’ve…got nothing else to contribute. XD

    • @Bellatrix79 I CANNOT wait for Cocaine to get her comeuppance. There will be hell to pay for murdering an innocent family for no reason.

  147. Crazy episode last night. So many weird things started to happen. I wanted so many of my questions to get answers, but I got more questions. AWESOME. So all we can do is speculate. 
     
    I already see some people are not liking the direction the show is going. I liked how Shonda addressed this when she was interviewed by Oprah. I like that she said she had to start writing what she wanted and not let the fans run the show, which I think is great because I think when writers try too hard to please a disgruntled crowed, they may shoot themselves in the foot. I think its better for her to go the direction she wants. Some will follow her and some won’t. Oh well.  I’m going to see how this plays out.

    • @BeautyIAM
      Say what she wants Shonda really cannot stray too far from what her fans want. No fans = no show.
       
      I know that the show cannot be all OLITZ all the time.  That limits the audience and wastes a lot of talented actors. but what we had last night will make the show something on the order of Night Stalker with Darren McGaven. Campy, fun and something of a joke.  If that is what she is going for then fine. Last night’s show was crazy and in spots an insult to one’s intelligence.

      • @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM 
         
        Oh, I completely agree with you on that Brenda. No fans no show. With Shonda, I don’t think she is ever going to let the relationship with Fitz and Liv go. She can’t at this point. Their relationship is just too strong.
         
        This isn’t directed towards anyone on this website, but I have seen whinny fans. They whine about every little thing they don’t like and its like seriously, if you don’t like it just go. 
         
        I was just scratching my head with somethings that were happening in the last episode. I just hope there isn’t a jump the shark moment any time soon. Scandal is still growing.

        • @BeautyIAM
          I am not ordinarily a TV watcher.  In fact this is the only show that I am watching.  I am not at all familiar with Shonda Rhime’s work but I have read some thing on the boards that tell me that she can jump the shark and things can get rather far fetched.  I mean Ghost sex? WTF?

        • @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM 
           
          LOL! I forgot about that on Grey’s. It wasn’t ghost sex per se. I think it was more Izzy’s delusions because she had cancer. I just rode along the roller coaster that comes with Shonda’s shows. But I did leave Grey’s because I was just bored. None of the characters interested me. But I’m happy that its still doing well in the ratings.

      • @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM   Guuuurrrrlll, you remember Night Stalker?   That show was gooooooood, you got that right, it was campy but good criminal fun, imo, lol.
         
        I give Ms. Rimes props for doing this show her way.     However it has strayed from its initial offering of an O. Pope and presidential love affair.   Someone said that I’m being “troll-like” here, bwaaaahahahhahaha, in putting the last episode down.    
         
        The way I see it Ms. Rimes is working to get ALL of her ideas in these episodes which has become convoluted.    Why was president shot so early in the series, we needed to get to know the love affair more before all the other plots come into play?   Of course, this is what Ms. Rimes wants for her show and who am I to say that she shouldn’t?     If this show, in my opinion, goes down the road I believe the show SEEMS to be going, frankly, it will be canceled.    You are correct Brenda55 that, should it continue down this route it will become “camp” as opposed to the presidential and legal thriller that it (may have should?) become.    
         
        Some individual says to me that its a show “I don’t understand”, bwaaaaahhahahahaa,  I understand this, should this show not gain a sense
        cohesion in its initial storyline beginnings, it will be headed out the door (because the last episode was WACK!
         
        I mean, really, why would anyone care whether some assassins family is killed?   I sure don’t.    Why is the president shot so early in the series before we could truly immerse ourselves in their affair before entering into multiple other plotlines?      
         
        I truly thought the show had promise with a Black female lead and head writer.
         
        I have no sympathy nor empathy for Olivia Pope, I did with her and the the prez which is what should be happening, some type of feelings for her position,  but I don’t after prez is shot, because without him as the male lead, there ain’t no show, because the focus has turned elsewhere, seemingly, thus loss of interest.

        • @DeepWater  @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM  
           
          o_O……..but, DEEPWATER… you know the “individual” was me…  and you also know that I said that you clearly don’t understand the plotline, which you, again, illustrated in this diatribe above (what assassin’s family?).  Not being versed in something you insist on condemning publicly is troll-like.  You don’t know even know the character Abby… that…is…crazy.  There is no way you can say you’ve watched the series, so how can you state that the president was shot too early with any real authority?   As you said elsewhere on this page, you are entitled your opinion, but your opinions are flawed on so many ridiculous levels that others have the right to point that out.  Can you at least know what you’re talking about? 
           
          Try watching the show, including the first season… that is what I’m saying.  Your opinion doesn’t have to change, I wouldn’t expect it to, but your arguments will make a whole lot more sense…and yes, I’m sure you don’t care about a lot of things, sadly, you’ve made that abundantly clear.
           
          If you want to shit on something, be prepared for someone to come and clean it up.  Signifying… what a waste of time.

        • @EmilySpring  @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM 
           
          ES, we already agreed to disagree, please leave it there.   You love the show,  I don’t.   That simple.  Good luck with it.

        • @EmilySpring  @Brenda55  @BeautyIAM   
           
          Also, I did not cuss at nor toward you.    I have seen the show from beginning, and once again, you love it and I don’t.   Again, good luck with your show.

        • @DeepWater 
           
          … oh boy… I thought we left it there waaaay down on the page, but you decided to post up here (after the fact) to make your case regarding the thoughts of the “individual” posted waaaay down on the page… me.  I simply clarified the “individual” to whom you were referring and restated the basics of why I, the individual, found your posts troll-like since you incorrectly characterized my usage of that term in your most recent post.
           
          Re: this deflection and this playing demure bit? It is not very “becoming” of you… with the way you have dropped “WACK”, “gtfohwtbs”, CAPS and negativity throughout this page, suddenly you’re a “shrinking violet”?  *sideeye*  A “cuss word” is nowhere near as offensive as a flawed, infectious, negative philosophy based on a misunderstanding of the facts or something that was not meant for you. 
           
          It seems others were not “Blown Away” with the episode either, but your special brand of negativity and clear lack of understanding of the plotline begged for an intervention.
           
          If you’ve seen the show from the beginning, are brazenly negative about “said show” and don’t know who Abby is… I mean… that’s damning.
           
          Yes, please continue to watch the shows you enjoy and I will do the same without negatively perching myself on a benign fan thread of a show that does not interest me, because that is the sane thing to do.
           
          Good luck to you as well.  I’m good.

  149. Cocaine and I have the same birthday.  Cunning little Capricorns. Cross us and we’ll destroy you.

  151. My computer crashed last week right before Scandal came on! I have been bursting at the seams waiting to talk about last week’s episode! First off, it felt kind of choppy and dark and the sex scenes were creepy. I wonder if there was a different director because that episode felt totally different from the fifteen or so prior. Second, I can’t wait to see though, how deep the wormhole goes! Third, I didn’t like Olivia in the middle of the Huck thing, I can’t imagine that happening in real life. Something more plausible would have been for her to call Homeland Security instead and her team keep working to clear his name. Finally, I need Fitz back ASAP to deal with Sally, I love the way he checks her.
     
    I am looking forward to more Olitz flashbacks. There’s so much more I want to learn about their relationships and their pasts. 
     
    I can’t WAIT for January 10!

  152. @EmilySpring  @DeepWater   I do agree the story arc has peaked really early – an attempted assassination in the middle of the second season seems extreme. What are we going to get for season 3 – a nuclear attack? It reminds me a bit of 24, the longer the show went on, the crazier the plots got. It was probably two or three seasons past its usefulness. I really liked 24 Redemption though and thought it was a great way to bring the series back after the strike. Lost is probably a good analogy too. Anyway, I’ve never expected Scandal to go longer than 4 or 5 seasons.

    • @dani-BBW  @EmilySpring  @DeepWater If ABC actually gets behind the show and orders a full season next year, they can take their time and develop plots and characters more effectively. The problems with plotting and pace is an ABC (sabotage?) problem, IMHO.

      • @AndreaLThorsen  @EmilySpring  @DeepWater Nah I think it’s Shonda who wants several character arcs during a season, she says the show gets boring and stagnates if they slow down the plot. She talks about it here (can’t recall which vid in the series it is) – http://moviesshowsnbooks.tumblr.com/post/31735444785/lets-try-this-again-heres-the-first-video.
         
        I can’t imagine that she has a game plan past three of four seasons at the rate the show is going.

  153. I finally got to start watching Scandal last night, and it’s great! For lack of a better term, it’s very… Scandalous(no pun intended), but I’m very excited to watch some more episodes tonight. I think this could become a habit. 🙂

  154. Ok.  I know this is way late, but I just have to get this off my heartbroken chest.  First, let’s get the pleasantries out of the way.  I love Scandal, though I will admit that if there was no Olivia and Fitz, I probably wouldn’t watch.  And from what little I know of her, I like Kerry Washington.  But she has scarred and traumatized me. 
     
    I saw her interview with Oprah a couple weeks ago, and really enjoyed it…until Oprah asked who was her most enjoyable romantic scene mate, or kisser, or something to that effect.  Now I expected her to say pretty much what she said–it’s work, it’s not at all romantic; but the way she said it….The emphasis on how awkward it is wasn’t balanced with I’m a pro and it’s my job, or who wouldn’t enjoy working with such lovely men.  She could have even used my favorite cut and shoot–‘They’re all so fabulous, how does one choose.”  But she seemed a bit repulsed by the fact that she would even be asked.  I half expected to hear an “ew.” 
     
    Now I understand that she is a professional, and she and others are involved in relationships, and therefore, a certain amount of tact must be shown when talking about such delicate matters (especially if they’re actually enjoyable–and I suspect they are).  That being said, there was a lot of ground between tact and what she said that wouldn’t have made it difficult to watch Scandal and her scenes with Tony without the having the word awkward blaring in my head.  And that’s a shame, because as I said, I love their characters’ interaction, and the very convincing way they play them. 
     
    I saw Tony’s interview on Michael and Kelly and he played it well.  He gave the man answer–who wouldn’t be happy…I mean it’s Kerry Washington (did anyone notice how the ethnically non-diverse audience was stone quiet when he said that ***side eye in play***)–and then brought it back to being bizarre because of all the onlookers.  There was a balance.  Maybe during the winter break the deleterious effects of that interview will wear off a little.  But I am afraid that I may never be able to look at Olivia and Fitz the same…

    • @MiMikins512 I actually think their sex scenes are awkward and kind of stiff. I like everything leading up to the sex act (like Fitz pursuing and kissing Olivia) and there’s a lot of chemistry there, but when it comes to actually taking clothes off and simulating sex, they look kind of unnatural. To me. So I was not surprised by her comments.

    • @MiMikins512 Heard the comments.  I do not think she was specifacally talking about TG/Fitz. She was talking about all of her love scenes with all of her co-stars.
       
      That is her.
       
      How many women would love to have multiple takes doing those  sex scenes with TG.
       
       I. Know. I. Would. 
       
      Fitz kissing down the front of Liv to get those panties off well……………..
       
      Wonder if he’s that good in real life?

      • @Brenda55  @MiMikins512 I think she just doesn’t like them. I just saw Lakeview Terrace and her sex scene with Patrick Wilson (also a handsome guy, been kind of under the radar) seemed a bit forced too. 
         
        I am not familiar enough with Tony G’s work to be able to compare but something tells me IRL he’s gettin’ it in, LOL! He looks GREAT for his age – no paunch or wrinkles, good physique.

        • @dani-BBW  @MiMikins512 Heck when you look at it is a slam dunk for him.  
          As a married man acting in love scenes is one of the safest ways to do what you kinda always wanted to do and not suffer any adverse consequences. 
           
          TG looks like his is really enjoying that brown sugar.  He may have a……ahem leaning in that direction. Never know.

        • @Brenda55  Hahaha, he is pushing it, to me, in his interviews. I get the sense that fame is kind of new to him, though he’s been in the biz a long, long time. I hope he doesn’t get caught up, he seems like a good person. All of the cast does. They are so positive. I’d be genuinely sad if some sort of scandal broke out in their personal lives. Aside from Kerry, and Tony (outside of fan girls), they seem to all be flying under the radar. I’d hate to see one of them splashed on the front page of TMZ.

  156. For the next 3 weeks ABC network will be reairing the last 3 episodes of Scandal until the winter break is over starting 12/27/12. So for those of you who missed the inauguration flashback epi that will air next week 1/3/12.

  157. Fitz’s panty dropping one liners.
     http://whoareyouandwhyshouldicare.tumblr.com/post/39121430871/the-best-one-liners-from-president-fitz-panty-dropper