Swirling in History Part Two: Mattie Bell Castner and Mattie Byers Novotny Welch

Swirling in History Part Two: Mattie Bell Castner and Mattie Byers Novotny Welch

This is the second and third stories of former slaves who moved to and married interracially in Montana. Mattie Bell Castner is the called “The Mother of Belt, Montana.”

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This is the second and third stories of former slaves who moved to and married interracially in Montana.  Mattie Bell Castner is the called “The Mother of Belt, Montana.” My family and I had the opportunity to drive through the area in 2011.  It felt good to be close enough to touch history, but most of us could experience the same sentiments by just going outside or a few miles away as the contributions of our ancestors surround us, but I digress.

John K. Castner, born in 1841 came to Montana Territory in 1867 from Pennsylvania operating as a freighter based in Fort Benton.   He married former slave Mattie Bell Bost from North Carolina in 1879, and together they founded the town that became Belt.  When John died, he left Mattie a millionaire by today’s standards.

Mattie worked with her bare hands to help her husband build the first cabin in the town named after her husband Castner, later renamed Belt, MT.   Their cabin became the stop for the stage, then flourished into a hotel and restaurant.  Mattie grew her own vegetables and even worked in her husband’s coal mines.    They were good to the poor and gave new meaning to the word entrepreneur.  A former slave, Mattie Castner was given the opportunity to earn her own money from her hard work and brains.  Belt, MT has Mattie Castner’s name all over it and is a landmark in Montana history.Castner HouseJohn Castner died in 1915 leaving Mattie to run the business which she obviously did very well.  She died 5 years later leaving $30,000 to friends and charity.  Mattie was given two funeral services — one in Belt and the other in Great Falls.

Note:  This vintage photograph is NOT Mattie Bell Castner, the pic is of an unidentified woman in Helena or Billings, MT in 1889.  Because there are no known photographs of Mattie (maybe due to any trouble from being married to John) and I simply wanted to give her a face.  I learned that the white Castner family did not want a book about Mattie published in 1956 and threatened legal action.  What a shame!  I am sure that book could be published today.  Here is a note I received from Ken Robinson when I inquired about a photograph of Mattie Castner:

“Although Mattie Castner is the “mother of Belt,”  ran an exceptional hotel and eatery there for many years, and her white husband  John was prominent in the community and region, no photo has ever been located  of Mattie. I’m sure the interracial marriage was sensitive both in the  community and especially in the Castner family. I know this and the Castner’s  employment of Chinese cooks at the hotel was used against John in his political campaigns. As you probably know Mattie and John had no children, although they raised a boy, possibly John’s son. That Castner family stopped publication of a  biography (to be called Cradled in Dixie of Mattie and her friend, and another  fascinating black woman, Maria Adams Dutriueille. The book was scheduled to be  published about 1956 until the Castner’s threatened lawsuits. In any case, we  have never been able to locate a photo of Mattie.”

 

Mattie Byers Novotny Welch

Mattie Castner made two trips to North Carolina to try and find her relatives who hadn’t been sold.  She found a sister and brought her and her family back to Montana.  On the second trip back the elder brought back her 13 year-old niece and namesake Mattie Byers.  The younger Mattie graduated from 8th grade in Belt Montana and married a white man named John L. Novotny in 1900.  In 1911  J.L. and Mattie moved their family to Great Falls where there were more black people and where they felt their children would have a better education.  As one may assume, black children were subjected to racial taunts and teasing in school.  One such taunt was:

God made the nigger

Made ‘em in the night

Made ‘em in a hurry

And forgot to paint them white.

Not to be bothered with racial foolishness, these children cited a creative rebuttal:

God made the white trash

Made ‘em in a shack

Made ‘em in a hurry

And forgot to make them black

John and Mattie Novotny would have 22 children 9 of whom survived to adulthood.  Mattie was very involved in the church and some and at some point became a widow and married a John (Joseph) Welch.   Mattie and some of her children left Montana as I found that she was buried in Arlington National Cemetery in Washington DC.  Most of her children preceded her in death.  If any of her descendants in Montana, the DC area or anywhere can share any information or pictures, the audience and editors at BBW would voraciously consume the information.

 

Sources:

Historical Blacks American in Northern Montana (An absolute Gold Mine of information compiled by Ken Robinson,  Historian at the Overholser Historical Research Center in Fort Benton, River and Plains Society Board).

African Americans in Montana Index (1870, 1910, and 1930 U.S. Censuses)

 

 

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Brenda55 19332 pts moderator

 heyimPearlilikefries No TV back then.  Had to find something else to do for kicks.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 Brenda55 ... but 22? I have so much respect for women in those times. There is no way I'm pushing a watermelon out of me... 22 times. And then having to lose more than half of them. 

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

 heyimPearlilikefries  Brenda55 I saw an article recently about a woman in the Phillipians who gave birth to 22 children so it still happens today.

 

My grandmother birthed 11 children and was one of 13 herself. 

Brenda55 19332 pts moderator

 LadyLittlefoot  heyimPearlilikefries I ain't birthed nary a one. Glad some one else picked up my slack.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 LadyLittlefoot  Brenda55 Oh my goodness. I see some thing like that. A woman had sextuplets and stuff like that. But so many kids and babies. I love kids so I can imagine having that many... but BIRTHING all of those babies. I would guess it becomes a piece of cake at the fourth baby.  I'm just... amazed, I don't know why, I actually love to read birthing stories and watch natural birth videos..... but 22 pregnancies. Oh that is amazing. 

 

But the sad part is losing some of those children. 

Brenda55 19332 pts moderator

 heyimPearlilikefries  LadyLittlefoot "I'm just... amazed, I don't know why, I actually love to read birthing stories and watch natural birth videos"

 

Not me.  I had to assist with a couple of live births as part of my nurses training.

I was through with the deal after that.  Went home and looked at my mom in wonder asking how she could have gone through that seven times.

 

Her response ,"Oh you forget the pain once you hold that baby in your arms."

 

They all say that.  Me? Not buying that. 

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 Brenda55  LadyLittlefoot 

LOL It's the oxytocin talking! If women didn't have that those babies and humanity will be doomed. 

 

I've seen all kind of births. Some were loud and painful, some were relaxed. Water births seemed a bit more comfortable. It all depends on the women. You have to be calm so things can go smoothly. Some women actually want to walk around while they are in labor! 

Karla 18226 pts

 Brenda55  heyimPearlilikefries  LadyLittlefoot At age 17, I worked in obstetrics/newborn nursery in an Army hospital as a ward clerk.  I was prepping for my pre-med for college and wanted to be an OB.  I probably diapered and fed more babies than I could ever count and certainly saw every kind of birth imaginable.  The staff was very accommodating and let me watch everything.  Nothing bothered me; not the blood or C-sections or preemies or babies born on the edge of death... I took it all in stride.  The staff was proud of me, thinking I could hang.  You know what did it?  Circumcisions.  Yep.  The OB who did circumcisions was a Czech doctor who used a scalpel.  I had seen more blood and placentas than anyone ever, at that age and yet, seeing him cut the foreskin of a baby boy made me pass out stone cold.  To this day, even thinking about it makes me queasy.  My two Jewish GFs had boys and when they had the Bris Milah, I had to hole up in the farthest bedroom. 

Brenda55 19332 pts moderator

 Karla  heyimPearlilikefries  LadyLittlefoot 

I remember seeing a little boy cut also.  No pain killers. Strapped the little guy down on a board in four point restraints then.........

  I felt so bad for that baby boy.  "Oh he won't remember it."

How come people say that crap in the face of horrific pain and no you are not convincing me that having skin sliced off you with no pain killers did not hurt that baby.

Karla 18226 pts

 Brenda55  heyimPearlilikefries  LadyLittlefoot I think that was it.  The doctor did two babies that day and they were strapped down.  He went into detail about what he was going to do and, while he was talking, the babies just looked scared and started that scared kind of crying.  When he started cutting, the first baby screamed and then I heard the little "thunk" of the foreskin in the tray; I felt nauseous and the next thing I know, I was pushing the ammonia away and trying not to throw up.  Fainting really sucks.  At the Bris Milah, I was as close to tipsy as possible and I had ear plugs.  I sat in the guest bedroom, swilling my wine, blessedly away from the ceremony.  A couple of other women came in there and one they had to carry in.  I'm not sure why circumcision affects women.  The mohel didn't explain that one; he just kept talking about how it affected men.

 

In the movie, "Crossing Delancey", they show a Bris Millah and the women do the same thing.  Everyone seems to be aware that it makes some women sick; I just wish they had told me.

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

 Karla  Brenda55  heyimPearlilikefries Note to self, bring a flask if invited to a Bris Milah.

LadyLittlefoot 664 pts

 Brenda55  heyimPearlilikefries One of my girlfriends told me about sitting with a cold pack for a week after the birth and not wanting her beloved hubby to even touch her for like a month afterwards.

 

I say it depends on the woman, how old she is and whether she had an easy birth or a hard birth. 

Karla 18226 pts

 LadyLittlefoot  Brenda55  heyimPearlilikefries Girl, if only.  But, I was a Girl Scout and a Naval Officer so I adapted and improvised.  Manischewitz Cream White Concord; it's what to drink for a Bris!

DU2 2160 pts

 SwirlQueen I will tell you another reason why we need this information.Also regarding all that great information on black women in history? It is so needed. I went to Santa Monica Public library and they had a display for black history month and it was all black MEN not one woman.

oekmama 1047 pts

I'm not up on US history, so I'll ask. What made Montana such a haven for black women and swirling?

SwirlQueen 973 pts

 oekmama

 Don't know. It must have been something in the water.  A look on Ken Robinson's blog has almost all the residents who lived in the black area and their addresses I believe. 

DU2 2160 pts

The great historian strikes again. Love it!!!

SwirlQueen 973 pts

 DU2

 Thank you but please don't give me too much credit.  The Internet has made all of this possible and Christelyn is giving me an opportunity to share. 

DU2 2160 pts

@SwirlQueen I hear you but I dont find all these great finds and I. am on the internet all the time. I find great information but it is connected to my passion and I think that is why all this good information comes your way at the hand of God. "seek and you shall find"........

SwirlQueen 973 pts

Update made with a new gem of a find.

WendyLBarber 172 pts

OMG! I just don't know what to say. Or how to say it. I've been toying around with a series of stories of swirling after the Civil War in just about the same location. The only reason I didn't pursue was partly my fear, and not being able to find any information. Well... thanks to you, those flood gates have been blown up. You rock! And thanks so much.

PaigeinPhilly 305 pts

I looked this town up on wiki...and theres NO mentioned of this rich IR history that you are educating us with here..whata shame!!...but the good thing about wiki is that the public can add on and edit!

 

heres the link:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Falls,_Montana#History

SwirlQueen 973 pts

 PaigeinPhilly

Omissions like these Montana factoids may contribute to people thinking there were no blacks in Utah, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Idaho or Montana or dare I say uh, Alaska and most of Canada.  Black people had pioneering spirits like other Americans and many made their way when given the opportunity.  People need to quit playin.  We have a rich history and believe me when I say I don't know much.  I barely scratch the surface.  Not surprising about Wikipedia NOR our history books at all. 

PaigeinPhilly 305 pts

 SwirlQueen please please add it in!!!...its gotta start somewhere...=0)

SwirlQueen 973 pts

 PaigeinPhilly

Belt would be a better entry as there is absolutely NOTHING listed about Mattie and John gets a half sentence.  Ken Robinson may want to update it in Wikipedia.  If not, I may have to delegate that duty Paige, but your observation sparked an entry that will be forthcoming in this series. I need to check on a few things Wikipedia but at any rate, thanks for that! 

PaigeinPhilly 305 pts

OOOPs! my bad...but I still went to check out Belt on wiki...EVEN LESS!!...lol

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt,_Montana

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Swirlqueen, you are a great researcher.  How sad that the racist family were successful in preventing a biography of Ms. Castner from being published. 

ShyVi 311 pts

Fascinating! These stories continue to prove that real love and courage prevail. Love it!

Karla 18226 pts

I love this series.  History just proves the "swirling" juggernaut cannot be stopped.  People will find a way.

mzsunshine 2416 pts

I like these series or any series relating to black americans.  I attended a predominately white school and you can imagine the dearth of information on black history.

MZ Elf 2660 pts

I have Welch family on my fathers maternal families side(also swirlers). Thanks so much for sharing so many great historical "swirling" stories!

SwirlQueen 973 pts

 MZ Elf

 Are you a descendant Mz Elf?