Why Can’t Some Black Women Put Their Interests Above Black Men?

Why Can’t Some Black Women Put Their Interests Above Black Men?

The truth is “good” is subjective. “Good” is a word used so loosely, any black man with a pulse and a functioning penis may find himself on the right side of the word in the eyes of a black woman who doesn’t know any better.

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I was inspired to write this post by the event that occurred during one of Christelyn’s signings:

After the discussion, one of the black girls felt it necessary to stand up for the brothers and asked Janice and I if we made provisions in our book so that black women were reminded about “the good brothers.” The silent boys nodded their heads in agreement, so I straight out asked her, “Why do you feel the need to speak up for these men? Why do you feel like they can’t speak for themselves? This is an open forum and they are free to speak. What compelled you to stand up for people who are welcome to contribute to the conversation? Please know if it is not your sole responsibility to “uplift” the brothers while you’re in college. Maximize all your dating opportunities as I’m sure THEY are.” This was met with a round of applause.

 

I’m really glad Chris went there and hopefully it will be food for thought for these young women, but the fact that this occurred at all left me annoyed for the longest time, and I didn’t know why. I mean it’s not like I’m unfamiliar with this behavior (Two memos later, I shouldn’t be…)

I’ve written in the past about knowing good black men, and how that didn’t make me want to waste my time waiting ever so specifically for one. Well, the truth is “good” is subjective. “Good” is a word used so loosely, any black man with a pulse and a functioning penis may find himself on the right side of the word in the eyes of a black woman who doesn’t know any better. But more than that, “goodness” doesn’t necessarily translate to a literal, measurable descriptive term afforded your average human being. When it comes to black men, too often, it becomes synonymous with “holy”.

What it boiled down to in the end was the fact that I am just sick of black women carrying on about “Good Brothas” or “Good Black Men” and begging black women who by and large aren’t interested in black men to “spread the gospel” on their behalf. It’s not like when a woman shares her simple desire for a man who will be good, loving and respectful towards her. Because a woman should feel entitled to a life with a man who will be good to her, loving towards her, and respectful of her.

 

Instead, I had the realization that this behavior was largely due to the myth of the “Good Black Man.” The mythology, the deification, the deference and worship of black men by black women and girls who’ve never been taught to treat these persons as just men. Men who are as fallible as any human being.

These women and girls have been raised to believe that “their very own good black man is out there, and if they wait long enough, he’ll show up and rescue them from their life of loneliness and they will live together happily in their black love nest”. What these black women want is to be enabled to continue to wait for black men to love and desire them with the fevered level of worship and devotion as they have been indoctrinated to feel towards them. If she’s never had a father, he’ll be that perfect paternal stand in-even if she has to “teach him” to be a man and “let him be a man” when he gets around to figuring out how that works.

Or perhaps, like a Pygmalion-esque character, after having rejected every other type of man while clinging to her statue of the perfect black man, our non-memo-reading black woman’s faithfulness will rewarded and the statue will become flesh and blood. Their very own “Good Black Man” will absolutely love and be loyal to them….and not run off with the first white woman he lays his eyes on.

Yes, that was a low-blow, and I don’t apologize for it: Black men have been swirling for millenia. I know it, you know it, and Yellow Dog knows it. And despite this, some black women have allowed the double-standard to stand. They choose to keep themselves stuck in the corner somewhere, angry at everyone “taking all the good black men”. But especially angry at other black women who are not playing by the rules of the “Good Black Man Religious Movement” by staying perfectly still, utterly available, and seeing their standards drop as decades pass.

You see, letting go of the myth of the revered “Good Brotha” means embracing the reality that you have been duped your entire life. Letting go of the idea that such perfection exists as praised to the high heavens by the GAT-DL. It means not feeling that there is something wrong with you if you meet a man who is black and halfway attractive and you aren’t encouraged to throw your pride and your standards by the wayside in his presence.

Letting go of the myth of the “good black man” means stop affording black men the identity of being omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.  It means ignoring the compulsion to bring “good brothas” up whenever someone is talking about men as if you will be smote for failure to praise the holy goodness of black men during an interracial relationship conversation.

Letting go means you’re going to have to vet black men as you would any other man: You’re not going to give them a pass for being black, brownie points for being black, nor excuse unacceptable behavior because it’s a black man and “he has it harder than other men”. It means holding them to standards of other men, and not lowering them because it’s somehow ridiculous to expect a black man to measure up (Note: It is a MAJOR red flag should be a man pretty much tell you early on that he’s not good enough for you. Even bigger red flag if said man states this and yet acts like YOU are the one with the problem…).

It means realizing that expanding your options is not a denouncement of your God and religion. You will not go to Hell if you date and marry a man who’s not black. There is no Hell black men can put you in for failing to let the world know that “good black men need love, too”. Especially, as I mentioned earlier, when that word is so subjective, and so many black men who consider themselves “good” are nothing but shady and sleazy. A good job, a nice car, and “swagger” does not a good black man make. The married man trying to hook up with you is not a good black man. The black man who won’t be seen with you in public because you are so dark-skinned is not a good black man. The man who puts you down and makes you feel like you’re lucky he’s not spit on you yet is not a good black man. ANY MAN WHO BEHAVES IN A SELFISH, SPOILED, CATTY MANNER THAT EXPECTS YOU TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP HIM, AND REGULARLY RUBS IN YOUR FACE THE LIE THAT “NO ONE WANTS YOU FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SEX BECAUSE THAT’S ALL BLACK WOMEN ARE GOOD FOR” IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, NOR WILL HE EVER BE A GOOD BLACK MAN!

Please stop confusing such men with good men. Because if you notice, it’s never good men waiting around for women to coddle and defend them. It’s never good men hiding behind you while you take on the world for them while they figure out how to be their own man. A good man does not proudly admit using other women in order to boost the battered self-esteem of black women who think such men will “come home” to them, after they’ve bedded all the non-black women they can. A good man doesn’t need everyone to SAY how good they are.

A good man is known to be good because of their actions. Their goodness speaks for them. And no, they are not perfect, even with all their goodness. They’re just men, just as human as you are. So put away the prayer beads and stop washing their feet with your hair. Let go of the myths. The most important thing for you to believe is that you have the right to be loved and respected for who you are, and to love and respect someone else just the same, and you don’t need to justify it to anyone else.

 

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Joyce345 1751 pts

Good Black Men exist. But they don't need me - or anyone else - to defend them. They are not single because you haven't given them a chance. They are single because they  are weighing their options. Good black men tend to have more than enough options. They are doing just fine.

NewMaya 265 pts

Remember BW are still wrestling to take hold of our part of The Crown Of  Beauty. WW have half of it as it is! BM hold HALF of The Crown Of  Beauty and Strength for men-I'd dare to say even more. They are the  symbol of masculinity. Even White folks believe this."

 

Oh please spare me with that but white women are the symbol of beauty bullshit.  I am dark brown with a nice face and body and personality and know that I am beautiful and am affirmed regularly.   Is it just that white women are just so beautiful or is it that YOU personally are not that attractive? There a lot of hot black women out there and everyone knows it. Please kill that white women are the beauty symbol blah,blah,blah....  woe is me.  Hot black women can hold their own next to any race of women.  Give that feeling sorry for yourself thing a rest and look in the mirror and fix whatever you think is wrong with you and build some self esteem.

 

People cannot deny a beautiful black woman regardless of how much white women are put on a pedastal.  Give me a break with that.

NewMaya 265 pts

Oh and I also have a great personality which is most important.

luckystar428 208 pts

 NewMayaAlso, I don't see how a group of men who generally don't do much to protect their women and children can be seen as the so-called "symbol of masculinity" by ANYONE.

 
Joyce345 1751 pts

 NewMaya 

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

jillodelight 516 pts

"Remember BW are still wrestling to take hold of our part of The Crown Of Beauty. WW have half of it as it is! BM hold HALF of The Crown Of Beauty and Strength for men-I'd dare to say even more. They are the symbol of masculinity. Even White folks believe this."

 

There's nothing you can do about peoples personal beliefs.  In order  for BW to feel as worthy and beautiful as any other woman, she just has to snatch her crown back and keep it movin lol I may sound cold, but most people in this country are sheep (1/4 possibly unforgivably stupid).  After having a couple of conversations with a WM and BM coworker, who believe every thing you stated, I tried to name the feeling I got after speaking to them.  Then it was all very clear: I felt mildly angry but I had the "WOW, your really...stupid" feeling.  The sort of feeling you get when you squint your eyes or feel sluggish.  Non-black folks and black people who believe this aren't worth the time and effort.  Oh, deep down they know how idiotic they sound: I sometimes catch that glimmer of confusion in their eyes after they say these things about black women.  It's like watching a clueless employee at a store trying to sell you a product they know absolutely nothing about but they don't want to look stupid lol  I'm no civil rights activist and I don't care about the enlightenment of people who harbor contempt for me. One get's tired having to teach people human decency.  Screw em.  I focus more on like minded men and women of all races who like me.  BW who want a better life will seek out the info (like every BW here did and those at that panel did).  It's important to accept though that not all BW will make it because they don't want to.

 

In America you really have to watch your thinking: I live in Dallas, TX and since its BM IR central, I honestly thought WM weren't into BW.  Until I read in Swirling that San Antonio was where the party was at lol  Can you believe a place that's just 5 hours away but I was focused and depressed about ONE place in the world. America is just ONE place in the world.  When people spout off these limiting beliefs, I feel kinda embarrassed and amused by them.  These people would have a HARD time functioning with a global mindset.

 

 

AJ2011 2310 pts

 jillodelight 

"I'm no civil rights activist and I don't care about the enlightenment of people who harbor contempt for me. One get's tired having to teach people human decency.  Screw em."

 

Some how, some way this is sentiment right here has to spread.

NewMaya 265 pts

 jillodelight

After having a couple of conversations with a WM and BM coworker, who believe every thing you stated, I tried to name the feeling I got after speaking to them.  Then it was all very clear: I felt mildly angry but I had the "WOW, your really...stupid" feeling.  The sort of feeling you get when you squint your eyes or feel sluggish.  Non-black folks and black people who believe this aren't worth the time and effort.  Oh, deep down they know how idiotic they sound: I sometimes catch that glimmer of confusion in their eyes after they say these things about black women.

 

Your a wise woman!

 

I think this mentality will begin to change. Once black women see more & more BW in IR they will start to question why are they limiting themselves. I'm actually noticing more lately online that BW at OVER BM. And it's on your average BW sites not IR sites. BW see 24/7 that in many cases they are not the BM preference and if she has any sense she will make a choices and question hey do I want to be single & lonely forever or find a man who loves me even if he's not my skin color. We live in a time where their are drop dead gorgeous, intelligent, very well educated black women with no one to go home to, no prospects, and no children. A woman this smart has got to start making changes & open her mind and prospects of men. Funny thing is every single white woman I know who has married or dated a black man is getting treated like crap. I mean beaten cheated on but they start sounding like the black women we're talking about...'he's a good man'. So ladies you better hurry up and grab a nonBM who will treat you like the queen that you are before all these nonBW wake up too and realize the myth of "the good black man".

luckystar428 208 pts

Absolutely. This mentality is really starting to change among younger black women.

Rosethorn 102 pts

Although this post was nicely written, I wish that it could have been more in-depth. Everyone here is really taking it personal. I wish that we could really discuss these indoctrinated BW. It's extremely sad. To be victim to such total and complete BS. It's about rejection, low self-esteem, inferiority, and superiority. The latter especially. We are a superficial country. Remember BW are still wrestling to take hold of our part of The Crown Of Beauty. WW have half of it as it is! BM hold HALF of The Crown Of Beauty and Strength for men-I'd dare to say even more. They are the symbol of masculinity. Even White folks believe this. Many BW believe that BM are better than WM. We know of BW, in our own family, who actually brag about a certain White/Asian/Hispanic women who LOVES BM! We really need to address this masculine inferiority/superiority issue. Some WM(and others)are just as hot as SOME BM! And honorable and kind and strong mentally and physically. 

 

 

Toni_M 20040 pts moderator

 Rosethorn As far as BM goes, that's for them to sort out. Their issues are their own, and no BW can fix them. Too many BW get weighed down by DBRs as it is while being duped into playing the role of "Ms. Fix-It". It's not about worrying about where you figure into someone else's hierarchy or totem pole: You are special and wonderful because of who YOU are, not more or less of a person because of what anyone says, no matter what their race is.

 

As for more indepth stuff, you'd have to see my earlier articles. I did talk about indoctrination and BW self-esteem issues quite a bit.

 

I guess I left it out because it would have been a bit redundant.

Rosethorn 102 pts

 Toni_M

 Thank you. The only reason why I mentioned "in-depth" is because I like you got irked by this young BW who actually stood up and spewed such nonsense! AMAZING! And I wanted you to really sound off and round every corner for the reason of this psychotic behaviour! You know that BW really think that BM are better than WM and they can't fathom our attraction let alone our choice of WM. And we've fallen for the other nonsense that BM are "sole" victims of society. No one suffers more than them!

I might add, Chris handled that brilliantly. She gave it right back to this young woman where it belonged. She insisted that this poor thing "think". Quite honestly, the young woman probably felt mixed emotions and was scared! Chris gave her the space for autonomy. Excellent.

TheZitaZitomihr(loving your tag!),

America more so with the strict  standard of beauty and masculinity and Racial inferiority complexes, but it goes on in every nook and cranny of the World. Lets work on eradication here, like Chris and Toni(and all of us here) are doing.

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

 Rosethorn  Toni_M 

 

I really think that AA blacks are very close -minded as a group. As a group AA blacks only thing of the black-experiences and then American experiences. It starts to become like a cult, in my opinion. You can't be attracted to this kind of man, you have to dress like this, you have to listen to this kind of music, you cannot travel, you cannot wear you hair like that, buy this, buy that. It sickens me that black men can loudly proclaim how much they love non-black women, but when bw do it.. it must go after a "but I loooove my brothers though." This mindset is very controlling and limiting. I think black women need to stop listening to what everybody "haters" think. When I look in the mirror all I see is a beautiful person, I may have a flaw here and there but overall I'm beautiful. Black women need to stop living off of what other people think. They need to stop asking for validation. Black men did NOT ask for validation t date out, to travel, to nothing! 

 

The funny thing is yes it the WW standard of beauty is active around the world. But if black women start to travel more they will see that people and men especially love their features and will get way more attention than they do in the states. 

 

Thank you! I keep changing my icon every 2 months or so. LOL

EarthJeff 3569 pts

 Rosethorn  Toni_M "I might add, Chris handled that brilliantly. She gave it right back to this young woman where it belonged. She insisted that this poor thing "think". Quite honestly, the young woman probably felt mixed emotions and was scared! Chris gave her the space for autonomy. Excellent."

 

Agreed how Chris handled that brilliantly.  She is smart, well-spoken, educated, strong, passionate about issues like IRR, beautiful.  Her only agenda is for the betterment of folks and opening their eyes to other possibilities that may foster happiness.  Christelyn is a perfect example of what anyone can be if they work for it.  She is a ROCK STAR.....

Toni_M 20040 pts moderator

 Rosethorn Hi, just popping back in with a link to an older post that's sort of along the lines of what I was discussing here. Might be a bit more in depth:

 

http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/white-knighting-the-bane-of-feminine-black-women-and-black-male-masculinity/

 

If you have any further questions, give me a holler! o/

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

 Rosethorn Hmm. I think this mindset is a bit American. I have never heard foreign men or women speak like this. Black men. WW better than BW. It's all a bit weird. It's more about what YOU think, not the group. I've met confident and shy guys that were both black and white. 

 

I do agree that BW need to see that white men are just as good looking if not more than white men.. but why? They very well know this already. They just are too afraid to date them, it's their problem not, white men's. 

 

People also focus too much on looks. it's like hell, so what if black men allegedly look better than white men. Masculinity have very little to do with looks. Now if it were a taking care of offspring and providing?... We all know the winner in that one. And that's by an American view.

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

 Rosethorn I had to come back and apologize for my horrible computer grammer. Even to me it's annoying. 

 

Hmm. I think this mindset is a bit American. I have never heard foreign men or women speak like this. Black men are better than WM. WW better than BW. It's all a bit weird. It's more about what YOU think, not the group. I've met confident and shy guys that were both black and white. 

 

I do agree that BW need to see that white men are just as good looking if not more than black men.. but why? They very well know this already. These black women are just are too afraid to date white men. It's their problem, not white men.

 

People also focus too much on looks, it's like hell. So what if black men allegedly look better than white men. Masculinity has very little to do with looks. Now if it were a "competition" in taking care of offspring and providing thing, we all know who would be the winner in that one.  And that's by an American view

 

 

MixedUpInVegas 1691 pts

I always had the feeling that the black male defenders felt that they were standing up for the race as a whole--"Mess with my Bro and you mess with me" kind of thing.  Never having made a study of the matter, I can't say for sure.  It would seem that virtue among men should be obvious to anyone paying attention and should not need to be pointed out by bystanders.

EarthJeff 3569 pts

"The most important thing for you to believe is that you have the right to be loved and respected for who you are, and to love and respect someone else just the same, and you don’t need to justify it to anyone else."

 

Absolutely!

Karla 19120 pts

And, lest we forget, just because a BM has no kids OOW, has a great job, has an education, goes to church, etc. doesn't make him optimal.  Many folks in the BC (and the BM himself) feel he should be given brownie points just for these accomplishments.  Is he a stand-up guy?  Does his character reflect his qualifications?  What has he done lately?  Fact is, as many truly good BM as there are (my brother, my father), there are those who meet the qualifications stated above but are monsters.  My BFF was involved with a BM who had no OOW kids, was a college graduate, had a lucrative job, wore Armani suits, the whole nine.  He ended up raping her and stalking her because she realized his character didn't match everything else and dumped him.  She took him to court and handled things but refuses to get involved in a relationship again.  Her previous boyfriend?  A "good" BM who also treated her like dirt.  In her mind, it's an all or nothing deal.  She knows she has been treated badly by these "good" men (more than two), acknowledges that these BM have been nothing but brown-eyed agony, says she wants to date out but when it comes down to it, gets scared of what her family will say, even though she's 43, has a lucrative job and house of her own and hardly interacts with her family.  She thought she was moving up because she was raised among hoodlums, jerks and thugs.  She judged her men based only on their accomplishments.   Bad move.

Cocuya 107 pts

 Karla In general, black men and women's standards are LOW. We measure ourselves against mediocrity and not excellence; we think that if we are operating at a level that is slightly above mediocre, we are doing well.

 

The problem here is that these so-called "good" black men are measuring themselves against the "bad" black men and not the good men in general (regardless of race). So, as long as you aren't like Pookie or Tyrone with four kids from four different women, you are God's gift to black women. I had a guy cuss me out telling me he was a good black man; he  had no job and no place of his own to live, but he was "good". Conversely, you have very polished, well-dressed black men with multiple degrees who also think they are "good" men, yet, as Karla stated, lack NO character. Regardless of race, picking a man just by his exterior appearance, his accomplishments, and his belongings is just as dangerous as picking a man who doesn't have a pot to piss in.

Brenda55 20908 pts moderator

 Cocuya  Karla You do not get extra brownie points for DOING WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. 

I know that some black men feel that they have had to jump over extra hurdles just to come out even. Not impressed.  I and every black women out there are jumping them also.......... in addition to having to have black men's backs with little or no reciprocation for our efforts.

 

 Talk to other minorities and they have their own set of hurdles.  Talk to poor whites still another set. Talk to immigrants still another set. So let put all this IBM/GBM crap in the grave it belongs in. 

Cocuya 107 pts

 Brenda55  Karla Exactly. Doing what you are supposed to do--having a job, having an educaiton, no kids out of wedlock, and living independently--is the BASELINE criteria. These are ENTRY-LEVEL standards. You don't get brownie points for being at entry level. Unfortunately, I do think black men have found themselves in a dire predicament in this country with the prison industrial complex and the preschool to prison system that has been created for black boys. I'm not saying this as a justification of the arrogance displayed among the so-called "good" black men. But, when the standards are so low in the black community due to systemic racism and inequality, it creates a "survival of the fittest" mentality. So what many of us consider baseline, entry-level criteria for black men are above-average characteristics for others.

 

Again, I reiterate, I am NOT stating that we should try to "save" these men by dating or marrying them. But, we can create a different environment for our children by raising responsible black boys (even those born into IR marriages) with high standards for themselves.

Cocuya 107 pts

 Karla I meant to say lack character (delete NO)

NewMaya 265 pts

I also wish that black women would stop supporting black male artists like Tyrese who dont respect them.

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

They will never get to live a life of their own.. and that's hilariously sad, because nobody is stopping them. The older I get the less harder it becomes to live you OWN life. As a self-centered girl, I will tell you.. it's better to be self-centered than a black male Identified or male-identified woman. At least when your self-centered you actually get to live your life. 

 

Black women like this need to start living their lives and stop caring about people who don't care about them. 

NewMaya 265 pts

 TheZitaZitomihr

 You can say that again!

Brenda55 20908 pts moderator

What the hell does the existence of a good black men have to do with who you want in your life?.

 

I know full well that there are good black men out there.

 

Seen them myself.

 

In fact quite a number of them were there at my wedding wishing me well when I married a white one.

 

 

luckystar428 208 pts

 Brenda55

 LOL!!!!! I love it :)

thecrazyartist 2415 pts

I don't get it.  These men don't know you from adams cat, why the hell are these women so loyal too them?  I honestly don't get why anyone would be that loyal to a stranger.  A grown man should be able to handle and stand up for himself.

 

In all honesty many of these insecure black men don't give a damn about how you feel.  They are arrogant and immature, because they feel that they are a "good man" so you should be grateful they even looked in your direction when they could have a  non-black woman. Then get angry when black women date out. 

 

The sick thing is many mixed, lightskinned, asian, white and non BW know this and are quite concieted about it. I had one half white half asian girl tell me "If I ever get desperate for a date, I will date a black man, they will take anything not black in a hearbeat" her biracial black/white friend just nodded in agreement.

 

The anger that some of these men exhibit when their feelings are not reciprocated is downright disgusting,  having a preference is not self hate, I prefer older white men, and your anger and vitriol will not change that, put your hands on me and you will get one of three options: pepper spray,  500,000 volts, or a .44.  This isn't junior high or highschool, I am not going to fight a grown man, I am within my right to taser your ass if you hit me(sorry if it sounds cold but I am not going to let a man hit me and get away with it).

 

Im sorry having a job, and going to school does not make you a good man,  working at wal-mart making 7.00/hr while trying to support 3 kids, while you have never been married and can't pass a GED remedial course is not a good man.   I am not getting involved with you, I have more self respect than that.

 

I don't owe you support or anything just because you are black, end of story.

 

NewMaya 265 pts

 thecrazyartist\

The sick thing is many mixed, lightskinned, asian, white and non BW know this and are quite concieted about it. I had one half white half asian girl tell me "If I ever get desperate for a date, I will date a black man, they will take anything not black in a hearbeat" her biracial black/white friend just nodded in agreement.

 

That is a hurtful comment.  Too many black women dont know that this is he way that black men feel.   

thecrazyartist 2415 pts

 NewMaya

 I grew up in a predominantly white area(I am multiracial myself) and some of the comments that came from some of these girls were quite suprising.  They knew well that black men are obsessed with eurocentric looks and took full advantage of it.  Some of them even preferred white or non black men, but knew that if they ever wanted a black man they could have one, hell I hate to admit it but I knew this was true in my area ( I always preferred older white men though). So when black men say "no one wants black women but non black women love us" I kinda laugh internally.  Non BW like shemar moore, wentworth miller and tyrese, not keval or tyrone from the block. If you are overweight, unemployed, uneducated,lacking in looks and just generally dont have much going for you no woman will pay attention to you regardless of race.  Only low self-esteem desperate women or the "I must defend my black kangs" type.

 

I even see it in college(I am 21 ), black women will pine after black men, preach about there not being enough "black love" in the area(despite the area being conservative there are quite a few interracial couples), only to be snubbed by the very men they were defending.  It's sad these women are 18-22 years old and already have this warped sense of loyalty this is the time to date around and have fun.  A lot of mixed/multiracial women with black ancestry forget that these men will turn on them as soon as they date out, just look at how they trash rosario dawson, look at her message board on imdb.  She was the " new hot mixed chick" but when  they found out she preferred white men that all went downhill.

 

Some of these men are delusional, they are more than happy to tell black women that white men and other non black men do not want them, and that they are  better off dating a black man.  Yet they fail to realize they are not exactly the catch they think they are and most of these women "fawning over them" are just sport flirting for the hell of it, hey if a free drink comes out of it then why not. 

Brenda55 20908 pts moderator

 thecrazyartist  "The sick thing is many mixed, lightskinned, asian, white and non BW know this and are quite concieted about it. I had one half white half asian girl tell me "If I ever get desperate for a date, I will date a black man, they will take anything not black in a hearbeat" her biracial black/white friend just nodded in agreement."

 

I have not only heard this but have  seen this play out too many times to count. 

thecrazyartist 2415 pts

 Brenda55

 I see it played out all the time, yet ignorant women spew the "colorism doesn't exist" crap relentlessly.

AJ2011 2310 pts

"Letting go means you’re going to have to vet black men as you would any other man: You’re not going to give them a pass for being black, brownie points for being black, nor excuse unacceptable behavior because it’s a black man and “he has it harder than other men”. It means holding them to standards of other men, and not lowering them because it’s somehow ridiculous to expect a black man to measure up...."

 

You better believe their not giving you any points for a being a black woman, probably points deducted because of it. I don't even answer to "sister" anymore.

jillodelight 516 pts

 AJ2011 "You better believe their not giving you any points for a being a black woman, probably points deducted because of it."

 

Ain't that the truth! I wouldn't be surprised BM have aversion therapy sessions ala Clockwork Orange style where they force each other to see grotesque images of BW until they can no longer tell fiction from reality.

NewMaya 265 pts

 jillodelight  AJ2011

 Yeah even if a black man like black women, other black men encourage him to get another race of women.  I was reading MN where this girl said that she was in a bar and heard professional black men state that they would take Kim K over Michelle O anyday.

onmywayup 1918 pts

 NewMaya  jillodelight  AJ2011 Wow...and I thought I've heard everything! Kim K over Michelle O? That's definitely a case of "color over character." Yikes!

jillodelight 516 pts

 NewMaya  AJ2011 Haha, and that about sums BM IR up. I've had a BUNCH of WM joke with me, actually being grateful to BM for taking all the gross WW off the market *smh* I never laughed too hard when they said this to me because I believed in "saving face" for the race back then and I felt uneasy judging anybody (yep, I was a true liberal lol). The second hand embarrassment was powerful though: a lot of BM are completely unaware. They get status around other BM and envious BW but ALL groups are laughing at them.  The jokes on them most of the time :/

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

 jillodelight  NewMaya  AJ2011  I have heard this also. :-/ They are never too mean about it, but it really cracks them up. I too have gotten uncomfortable because it was weird to me I then I ask what they think of BW IR and of course they say "oh that's different, we get the hottest ones (black women)." But one thing is they wouldn't say it in front of black men of course. I though black men would be aware by now though right?

AJ2011 2310 pts

 NewMaya  Kim K and Michelle O isn't a fair comparison though. There is the age difference, what they're known for, how they dress, and the image they project. Regardless of the WBS Kim K turns more men on than the First Lady and to be fair if you compared Keisha Knight Pulliam to Michelle O the former would still be preferred. Try Kenya Moore vs Kim K is you have to MUST a case for race vs character. They're both attractive, have nice figures, have their own hair, and one is an actual beauty queen.

heyimPearlilikefries 2105 pts

 AJ2011 

 

"I don't even answer to "sister" anymore."

 

Like a boss.

mahogany 484 pts

 AJ2011 "

"I don't even answer to "sister" anymore."

 

You got that right. Sister means OBLIGATION!

DeepWater 2519 pts

 mahogany  AJ2011  "cannot stand that..."

DeepWater 2519 pts

 AJ2011   My name is not "sister" and shole as hayall ain't yorn (country version of "you're own").   Grounds for automatic dismissal even in passing.   I agree with Mahogany in that, IMO, "sister" is a form of "obligation", you're obliged to keep on steppin' because I know you shole as hayall don't give a dayum about me and just want to see if I respond to it, cannot that term anymore (other than when I'm referring to my girlfriends in offline life or ladies here on this site in terms of relating to a particular topic, ex: "I feel you, sista").

VintageNarcissa 3152 pts

 AJ2011 LoL! Yes! This reminded me of that episode of The Unwritten Rules when the black dude rolled into the party with his white date and was ignoring the main character, Racey, until he noticed her dancing with a non-black man. *Then* he approached her with, "hey sista." Racey gave the only, negro please! look to the camera. I was on the floor. 

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jillodelight 516 pts

 Kia They're hyper aware of BW who speak up: it's like they have to punish BW who they SUSPECT are bored, resentful or turned off b/c by poor treatment.  When black people chime in about GBM it screams insecurity: they're just saying BM are douche bags by default and BM's behavior towards BW only confirms this (they suffer verbal incontinence, nobody's forcing them to publicly say all that stuff *shrug* not our fault).

Neecy 1975 pts

Indoctrination at its finest - or should I say worse! And I'm laughing at the "black kang" term some are using. You know I coined that term on black voices years ago and it's funny to see people still using it. I was a fiesty one back then. Oh sit I still am! Lol I remember the YEARS I spent on black voices fighting against women like this. I mean FIGHTING. I also coined the term creamy crack and " black massa kang" hehe!

DeepWater 2519 pts

 Neecy  "Black massa kang"...........bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa, I'm sorry, but, bwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaa.