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This is a cool story that gives the good and not-so-great news about the state of interracial relationships in the United States. You’ll even get a rare editorial contribution from The Hubster in this one!

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This is a cool story that gives the good and not-so-great news about the state of interracial relationships in the United States. You’ll even get a rare editorial contribution from The Hubster in this one!

Mixing in matching

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While there’s more support for interracial relationships, apprehension remains, and studies show it’s not as common as some might believe.

By Alexia Elejalde-Ruiz, Tribune Newspapers
2:52 p.m. CDT, July 10, 2012

In January 1999, at the dawn of the online dating era, BlkBeauT met SoCalGuy on a Yahoo! Chat room — she, hoping her username would let suitors know she’s African-American; he, assuming he’d found a fellow admirer of a favorite childhood film.

Now married more than 10 years and raising four children in Southern California, Christelyn and Michael Karazin, who is white, don’t turn heads as much as they might have a few short decades ago. But while Americans’ support for interracial marriage has become nearly universal, according to a recent national poll, and mixed marriages are twice as common as they were 30 years ago, dating across ethnic lines still carries some apprehension.

For example, when, during their courtship, Michael picked up Christelyn at the hairdresser, a lively hub of black culture, Christelyn remembers all noise screeching to a halt at the sight of her white date, and she nervously hustled him out.

Acquaintances would scold her for dating “Mr. Charlie,” slang for a white oppressor; a cousin warned her a white guy would never marry her.

“There were these constant guilt trips,” said Christelyn Karazin, 38, who co-authored the new book “Swirling: How to Date, Mate and Relate Mixing Race, Culture and Creed” (Atria), with Janice Rhoshalle Littlejohn, to offer practical advice for navigating inter-ethnic romance.

Black women often feel pressure not to date out of race because they bear the onus to carry on African-American traditions, she said.

Michael Karazin, 39, said race was a non-issue to him until their kids were born and they decided to move — for a better school system — to the mostly white town of Temecula, near San Diego. Concerned the children might not feel comfortable, they contacted the local NAACP chapter to learn if there had been hate crimes in the area and scoped out the school and playgrounds to make sure theirs wouldn’t be the only biracial kids (it turned out to be a very welcoming and open-minded community, the Karazins said).

Self-segregated dating

Such concerns may be reasons why, in practice, and despite talk of America entering a post-racial era, people still tend to pursue relationships in their own ethnic circles — even online, where the physical segregation that usually keeps different races from mingling doesn’t exist.

A study out of the University of California at Berkeley examined more than a million profiles from a free online dating website and found that white people, in particular, kept to their own, even young people who tend to be more open-minded and said they were open to dating any race.

These young white men and women (ages 20 to 39) reached out to other whites 80 percent of the time, while white men reached out to blacks only 3 percent of the time and white women did so 8 percent of the time. Young black daters were much more open, reaching out to whites and blacks about equally (40 percent of the time for each; the rest of the messages went to other races).

The study, which has not been published, only analyzed white-black romance, where there seems to be the most resistance. Fewer than 2 percent of new marriages in the U.S. between 2008 and 2010 were between blacks and whites, according to a Pew Research study.

Though there were many more white people in the study, the fact that black people were 10 times more likely to contact a white person than vice-versa is significant, said Gerald Mendelsohn, the study’s lead author and professor of graduate studies at Berkeley.

Among the potential reasons for the disparity, Mendelsohn said: People generally are attracted to those who are similar to them. They may worry about stares from strangers or family disapproval. Standards of beauty in the media tend to be white.

The macrosociological explanation is that minority populations seek to assimilate into the power structures, while the people in power want to stay there. Inter-ethnic dating and marriage are among the most important markers of assimilation, and an important step in doing away with inequalities, Mendelsohn said.

Encouragingly, the study found white people were almost as likely as blacks to respond to an overture from someone of another race, Mendelsohn said. It suggests people are receptive to interracial romance, it just helps if someone else makes the first move.

“There is progress, but we have to be reminded of the distance that has yet to be traveled,” he said.

Another study that examined online dating patterns among various ethnicities found white men preferred Asian and Latina dating partners to African-Americans, while white women shied away from Asian men. The researchers, from University of California at Irvine, theorized that might stem from media-perpetuated stereotypes about masculinity and femininity.

Having conversations

Jen Chau, founder of Swirl, Inc., an organization that promotes cross-cultural understanding, said one positive development is that inter-ethnic couples today seem to place a bigger emphasis than previous generations on having conversations about their differences, in particular how they might affect their kids.

Growing up with a Chinese father and a mother who is an Ashkenazi Jew, Chau remembers her family rarely talking to her about race, which left her feeling isolated and confused when the kids at Hebrew school would call her “chicken chow mein.” When the rabbi announced her father couldn’t join her at the altar for a blessing during her bat mitzvah, because the synagogue didn’t want to promote interfaith marriage, she was left without explanation.

“All I wanted was the ability to talk about it,” said Chau, who lives in New York. “I wanted someone to say, ‘This must make you feel sad.’”

Chau, 35, and her boyfriend, Gerry Fontan, 36, whose mother is Cuban and father is from Spain, make it a point to discuss how they plan to raise their kids with both their cultures, including teaching them Spanish and Chinese.

“That’s something I’m concerned about,” Fontan said, because it might be hard to get the kids to commit. The goal is to immerse them in the languages through travel and native-tongued friends.

Despite the challenges, venturing into new ethnic territory for romance expands horizons and, Christelyn Karazin says, “adds flavor.” It’s important to her that their kids understand the richness of their diverse heritage, including the fact that her husband comes from a Westport, Conn., family with its own crest and that her grandfather was a sharecropper and her father had an eighth-grade education.

The point isn’t to focus on the differences, but to normalize them, Karazin said. Recently, her 3-year-old daughter cupped her face and said, “Mommy’s chocolate,” to which Karazin responded: “Yes, mommy is the color of chocolate, and daddy is the color of vanilla. And isn’t that yummy?”

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MissFLondon 667 pts

I almost wet myself reading the first paragraph!!!!

 

Forget a book, your lives could make a great movie a sort of rom/com meets comedy of errors/ manners.

 

Pure genius.

simpleebisou 128 pts

This right here >>>>>>>>>>The point isn’t to focus on the differences, but to normalize them, Karazin said. Recently, her 3-year-old daughter cupped her face and said, “Mommy’s chocolate,” to which Karazin responded: “Yes, mommy is the color of chocolate, and daddy is the color of vanilla. And isn’t that yummy?”  The most BlkBeauTiful quote I have ever read. In fact, its going in my quote book.  Geaux Karazins!!!

WendyLBarber 218 pts

Love your family pic. Keep paving the way, you have a growing army behind you. I do have to say my eyes started to glaze over reading the piece. I don't know what planet some people live on because the US is not in a post racial era. Racism, well... we know, it's alive and well and intra-racial problems will never go away because we don't really want to talk about that. I try to take polls and research with a pillar of salt. I just feel it's another way to take a dig at positive things we all try to do.  Still working on the delurking.

ForeverSerenity 340 pts

I've been "liking" comments I agree w, but want to add, Congrats! Beautiful family!

iHeartLove 805 pts

You have such a beautiful and loving family! The picture is very cute. Congrats on the article.

red bone 9 pts

U have a beautiful family!!! I just want to say THANK U!!!

ElfeV 7355 pts

" ...When the rabbi announced her father couldn’t join her at the altar for a blessing during her bat mitzvah, because the synagogue didn’t want to promote interfaith marriage, she was left without explanation."

 

whoa, I just caught this part. How awful!! :<

FriendsofJay 1969 pts

Congratulation, Chris.  You have a beautiful family and deserve the the praise you're getting from the media.

IntegratedMemoirs 342 pts

I love this photo!! Great article too!

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

Love the photo but I have to ask....do any of you have some concern about the kids being so out there in the media/on the site?? I'm very cautious so I don't know if this has crossed other peoples minds.

Lili2009 1850 pts

 KingsDaughter I think it adds legitimacy to the cause, especially since so many female "free your mind" bloggers are accused of actually being men just trying to poison the well. 

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

 Lili2009 Yeah, but I don't know...  I'm still not entirely at ease with it.

ElfeV 7355 pts

 Lili2009  KingsDaughter 

 

" ....many female "free your mind" bloggers are accused of actually being men just trying to poison the well. "

 

really??!! wow.

ElfeV 7355 pts

 Lili2009  KingsDaughter  I love seeing the couples and families on the blogs and youtube etc but I'm not sure I could do it either. Maybe I'll feel differently when our children are older?

 

If it was the 90s-early00s baby internet probably yes, but the crazy-net of today? I just don't know. Also for some reason, I'd feel much freer sharing if we were living in Europe again ...but being here in the USA makes me extra-hesitant too.

Lili2009 1850 pts

 Elfe Yes. I remember a few years back (or more recently) Evia was accused of being an African man (not sure from which country, though!) 

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

 Lili2009 Nigerian. See the link in my response to Elfe.

Brenda55 20935 pts moderator

 KingsDaughter  Elfe  Lili2009

 

I am going to take down the link you posted. There is no need io use this site to spread that that of poison or to spread traffic to it.

 

That site is a load of B.S. set up to discredit BWE bloggers.

 

The give away? The reference to Halima Anderson as well as this site, Evia's et al.

 

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

 Brenda55 Agreed. However it's still shocking to me. That someone took the time to write that is totally psycho.

Brenda55 20935 pts moderator

 KingsDaughter That stuff is out there.  I am not surprised at this.

 

The point as you know was to discredit BWE  and its bloggers. Won't work since there is no one voice leading this and the BWE blogs are popping up all over as more women  women join the conversation.

 

No need to give trolls a platform on this on any other BWE site. While I understand your concern re. "see something then say something"  the best course of action is to e-mail the site owner directly. 

 

It is already too late to shut this conversation down, women are making their own decisions. The body of work of the bloggers mentioned on the site you posted is extensive and the bloggers reputations are sterling.

Sorry trolls but the train has left the station and you do not have the wherewithal to derail it.

 

 

 

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

 Brenda55 Ok thanks for your replies Brenda, I appreciate them.

ElfeV 7355 pts

 KingsDaughter  Brenda55 

 

I caught that..& it one of the weirdest things I've seen online yet. Makes zero sense. I guess people really are threatened by women in IRs suggesting that others try it too. wow :s

Carlea 28 pts

How fantastic! I love the family pic <3<3  Wow love from the Yahoo! chat room!

DU2 2439 pts

Congrats Christelyn   WOO HOO.. SO uh when doe the line for autographs start forming??

jbutlergreen 38 pts

What a wonderful article. Congrats!

Lili2009 1850 pts

My almost three year old recently said, "Mommy's brown!" and lately every brown woman looks like mommy and white men look like daddy.   I guess awareness of differences starts early!

 

And regarding romantic overtures across the black and white line, I admit my previous anxiety about flirting with white men because I assumed they wouldn't go for me. But, when I met future husband at a mutual friend's party, I told her  later that he was cute and inquired about him. She told future husband about my questions. Next time I saw him he asked me out. So, I found a safe way to make an "overture". 

ElfeV 7355 pts

Super-cute photo!!! <3 ^.^

ASwirlGirl 3219 pts

"Encouragingly, the study found white people were almost as likely as blacks to respond to an overture from someone of another race, Mendelsohn said. It suggests people are receptive to interracial romance, it just helps if someone else makes the first move."

 

All the more reason when in person to Smile, rinse, repeat.

Christelyn 9250 pts moderator

Egg-freeking-xactly.

Toni_M 20068 pts moderator

"Another study that examined online dating patterns among various ethnicities found white men preferred Asian and Latina dating partners to African-Americans, while white women shied away from Asian men. The researchers, from University of California at Irvine, theorized that might stem from media-perpetuated stereotypes about masculinity and femininity."

 

In other words, people ARE paying attention to the stereotypes about other groups perpetrated in the media.y Which is why black women could benefit from NOT supporting shows and movies that reflect them negatively and choosing to support movies and shows that do. The more positive images in the media, the more positive view of us in society.

 

 

Toni_M 20068 pts moderator

Wow, that made no sense.

 

Support positive images if black women in the media. That's what I was going for. Often, black women are duped into prioritizing the image of black men and ignoring their own image. They are told that so long as black men look good, black women look good. This is a lie: Black women and men are often pinned against each other, and what's most disturbing is that often times black men will choose to compete with black women. The image of black men and that of black women are two different things. They should be treated as such.

Law Wanxi 5946 pts

 Toni_M 

"Wow, that made no sense."

 

I must be missing something; it made sense to me.

 

OT, but it's nice to see that UC Irvine is noticed for research by a publication outside of SoCal. Go Anteaters!

 

Toni_M 20068 pts moderator

 Law Wanxi Really? Because I dropped the end of a sentence by mistake. :S

 

Well, at least my point got across.

Toni_M 20068 pts moderator

 Law Wanxi  Thank you for seeing the truth between the typos. XD

Bren82 1394 pts

It helps to know that most people (I'm assuming) don't first begin relationships online (usually it's through a mutual friend/getting to know the person, etc) and that the online dating segment chosen for this study was from a minute population of individuals. Long story short, I wouldn't allow a general statement to represent the big picture because it does not. The majority of my black female colleagues who are in interracial relationships/marriages met their partners/significant others either through mutual friends, working together, traveling public transportation together before striking up a conversation or attending school together. I personally don't know any who met their partners online. So that statistic about preferences is insignificant to me.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

 

Congrats!!

On this and all the success coming your way, well deserved!

The Working Home Keeper 6963 pts

Awesome!  What a beautiful family photo!

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Love that photo of you guys.