Etiquette 101: Graciousness in Competition

Etiquette 101: Graciousness in Competition

On the national stage, black women must “represent,” not with hair, but with a gracious and refined attitude, ESPECIALLY when it sucks.

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“On the podium tonight, the three girls that earned their spot and they got their medals and they worked hard and did what they needed to do, prevailed,and that’s all that really needs to be said.”

Kellie Wells  2012 Olympic Bronze Medalist for the 100m Hurdles

“Boom! Just like that!”

Dawn Harper, the 2012 100m Hurdles Olympic Silver Medalist’s response to Kellie Wells statement

The above statements came in response to a question that  Michelle Beadle, co-host for NBC Olympic Games asked the women about all the attention being directed at their track and field teammate, LoLo Jones. The tone of Kellie’s response even gave the host pause and all she could say was “wow” followed by another pause during which Dawn gave her affirming back-up response. While I  do understand the young women’s hurt and annoyance at their achievements being overlooked in favor of their teammate, their attitude and response to the situation left something to be desired. Their response was catty and very unprofessional.

 

One of the key elements that makes for good sportsmanship if you win or lose, is how you deal with your fellow competitors, athletic or otherwise. I am not sure if she intended to or not but within her statement, it seems Miss Wells was implying that the women who made it to the podium were the only ones who worked hard enough to place.  That is hugely insulting  to the women who did not. Every single olympian who is able to compete at the games has worked hard and long to earn their place on the grand stage of competition. In the light of truth, Kellie’s bronze medal was barely won as Lolo was only a second behind her. When you win a competition, raise, promotion, etc. it is fine to celebrate your accomplishment, you earned it and have the right to shine and relish in your moment of glory, graciously not as a braggart. However, good manners dictates that you show a gracious attitude towards those who competed with you, after all they are there for the gold too and deserve respect for being worthy opponents.

I understand that  we will not like everyone we compete with and from the tone of that post competition interview, Harper and Wells made their feelings about LoLo Jones very apparent. I cannot say I blame them for the tinge of resentment they feel for their accomplishments being overlooked to focus on their teammate who did not win a medal, but even in the face of this, it would have been more beneficial for them if they had responded more graciously.  This brings me to another important point, when you are a public figure, how you  speak of and deal with other people you compete with must be as important as your physical training. Your reputation will follow you long after you hang up your running shoes so to speak.

To find that delicate balance of enjoying your success without putting others down in the process, is crucial. In response to Miss Wells comment, a more diplomatic response to the LoLo question should have been along the lines of, “Lolo is our fellow team mate who trained just as hard as we did for this moment. It is unfortunate she could not share the podium with us this time around. If she trains for the 2016 olympics, I hope she will have the opportunity to stand where we stand tonight. To win a medal for our country is an honor.” That would have been a gracious response to a difficult question, but as it stands, the responses of Harper and Wells have not endeared them to the public and they have verbally shot themselves in the foot. They won their medals, but they also lost alot of respect. It is really sad they failed to remember that the eyes of the world are watching them and what they said, spoke volumes!

In closing when it comes to being a good sport, remember the following:

1. If you win, enjoy your success, but respect your competitors
2. If you lose, take the loss graciously and congratulate the winner
3. Win or lose, never insult, belittle, or put down those who compete with you.

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HarlemGirl 216 pts

i have been reading the comments and there seems to be a deflection from what is being said and that is how to be gracious in competition. The overwhelming responses seem to be around these three things:

 

 

1. They are Human

2. They have a right to openly express their thoughts and feelings and should not be given a hard time about it

3.  it is the media's fault

 

 

 

 

They are human

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course they are human, we all are, somewhere we all have said or done something we later regret, but we have to understand that  being human does not excuse us from the consequences and we have to accept those consequences and take measures to correct those things so they do not cause harm and keep good things from coming into our life. As I read these responses, "they are human"  looks more like code for "they don't need to be held accountable" How many famous people have had "human"moments that  proved to be costly? That greek olympian someone on here mentioned? She had a "human" moment, a lapse in judgement and it cost her her moment to shine in athletic competition. Andrew Weiner the politician from New York had a human moment when he tweeted is erect manhood on twitter and it cost him credibility in his political career. The football player Ochocinco has been cut  from the Miami Dolphins following his domestic violent actions against his wife. The only thing that playing the human card should do is remind us to be understanding (because except the grace of God go us) but not excuse.

 

 

 

 

They have a right to openly express their thoughts and feelings and should not be given a hard time about it.

 

 

 

 

While we do have the right to voice our opinions popular or not  but we cannot tell people to how to react to what we say. We cannot get upset at the negative blowback if we say something that has a bite to it.  We have to own it. I would say if you are going to exercise your right to the freedom of speech then accept whatever accompanies that.It's the media's faultThe media's power can only extend as far as people fuel it.  The media of course could operate with more integrity, but  we know they are not because they want response and reaction to what they report.  I dated a Journalist who has been working in the media for close to 40 years and he said to me the quote "it it bleeds it leads," is pretty much how the media does business and that is not going to change anytime soon, so the best way to deal with the media is not to blame or complain about  them but to outsmart them.  I have worked in media myself and  I know that in some cases you can inform the reporter before you go on the air you will not answer certain questions if asked.  I know with Oprah and Barbara Walters when they interview people they discuss with the person they are interviewing beforehand what they will be discussing and the person being interviewed will let them know they will not "go there". Sometimes reporters will agree off camera then try to put the person  "on the spot" live but still they do not have to take the bait. The media is anything but considerate and people have to arm themselves accordingly.

 

 

These girls have great potential, they just need some encouragement and support to know how to deal skillfuly with the public and the media. To be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

Blackberry 1177 pts

@HarlemGirl EeK! Ummm...I am totally on the side of graciousness and good sportsmanship. I am just not sure why "putting ones foot in it" is particularly a black (sports) women issue or why sportmansship for black female athletes need be laden with other issues. For me it's purely sports.....and nothing to do with race. They said something that caused them some trouble they now have to "walk it back" and do better next time. I remember one member of the us swim team made some comment about Michael Phelps not working hard enough and how good it was going to feel to beat him. He basically called MP over the hill and lazy. Talk aout foot in mouth. The swimmer later apologized and both atlhetes agreed to move on. And when MP beat the speedos off said swimmer he made no mention of the earlier comments. It seems there are plenty of atlhetes of all races and not genders who would use a refresher media training course.

Blackberry 1177 pts

....races and BOTH genders...

HarlemGirl 216 pts

 Blackberry  HarlemGirl You are right it is a sports issue but you know that blacks are judged HARSHER in the public eye than white athletes for their transgressions. .Michael Phelps was caught smoking weed at a party a few years ago. The photos and all the press around it amazingly disappeared. if one of these girls had been caught smoking weed, you would have never heard the end of it., in fact they might have found a way to keep them from competing.

It is not fair that black athletes transgressions are not as easily forgiven as white athletes i cannot stand the media and public hypocrisy in that vein, but because those who control the media make sure it is that way, that is why it is imperative not to give them any rope to hang us with. I am glad you pointed that out, it gave me a chance to elaborate.

Blackberry 1177 pts

I give people the benefit of the doubt in times like these. They're athletes with egos first and their media training is second. The olyimpics finals of a given even just happened and a microphone is shoved in your face. The using one's filter in the moment takes a lot of practice - that moment is not like any other interview. Michelle Kwan, Michael Phelps they are both Olympians who were both excellent at or putting their foot in their mouths. It's also possible that she was trying to be gracious (by not saying how she felt about lolo) by just focusing on the work and "the best woman winning" and it comes out wrong. It is so hard to choose one's words carefully so as not to piss off anyone. Although the snapping thing is harder to defend. Sportmanship is key, and when I worked as a competitive coach, each competition there was a de-brief and I always had at least one comment about something my student should NOT have said. It has nothing to do with being black and everything to do with the egos inherent to every top level athlete.

Joyce345 1738 pts

 Blackberry 

 

100% agree. These are two women who were disappointed that they did not get their due after winning olympic medals. They are understandably disappointed and I don't fault them for expressing that disappointment - even if they were not very tactical in their expression.

 

They are just being human. Bw need to give each other some slack. Personally, I think it is Lolo who needs to be gracious.

HarlemGirl 216 pts

 Joyce345  How does Lolo need to be more gracious? if you mean in regardsto her talking about being a virgin and other self- promotion tactics yes, but I read no where where she was catty with fellow teammates.

Blackberry 1177 pts

Whoops... Meant to say : "Michelle Kwan, Michael Phelps they are both Olympians who were both excellent at NOT putting their foot in their mouths." Becaus they've been at the top of their "Olympic game" for so long.

iHeartLove 804 pts

“Lolo is our fellow team mate who trained just as hard as we did for this moment. It is unfortunate she could not share the podium with us this time around. If she trains for the 2016 olympics, I hope she will have the opportunity to stand where we stand tonight. To win a medal for our country is an honor.” 

 

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That is quite a gracious response and probably not what Wells was feeling at the time. Something more dismissive of the question would have seemed fine to me. Like, "everyone has their time to shine, so we are taking this opportunity to enjoy our win at the Olympics." 

 

There's a difference between being gracious and being a saint. Sometimes when you try too hard at being nice you come off as passive aggressive, especially in the heat of the moment when you may not have your emotions or tone of voice in check.

 

I'm not going to think badly of Wells or her other teammates for this. It seems they are dealing with some issues from their success and really the media likes to stir things up.

DU2 2171 pts

 iHeartLove The response I suggested was just that a suggestion.  I never said these women had to be saints. The suggested response you gave was a  also a response they could have used.

 

 

 

 

The media cannot stir anything up  unless the bait is taken. The Blame needs to stop being placed on the media. They are going to do what they do, complaining about the media and asking them to do right is like asking the KKK to stop saying the n word or burning crosses. It is your job to not take  the bait.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have worked at different companies over the years and there were many times I wanted to give the what for "in the heat of the moment" but I knew that it would not serve me well in the long run so I gave a gracious or diplomatic response. What I "felt" is one thing, how I respond is another. That is in a private company. When you are in front of millions of people you have to really count the cost of what you say, it can cost you dearly. If you want   the "RIGHT" to say what you feel then put on your big girl undies and accept the consequences. You cannot have it both ways.

 

 

iHeartLove 804 pts

 DUsher 

Obviously what I put forth is also just a suggestion. 

 

My point was they could have evaded the bait of the question without saying things about Lo Lo that might have come off as passive aggressive since it's obvious they are working through some issues that happen to involve Lo Lo. Knowing how much is too much on either end of the spectrum is also being media savvy. 

 

I agree with most everything that was said on the thread about how they need media coaching and to learn to be savvy. I am an extremely appropriate person to a fault. Mostly because my parents taught me how to be silent as a child. I'm pretty young, but I grew up in house where I was expected to be quiet as a child and it ended up teaching me about restraint.

 

I agree that the media puts out bait, but just because we can be gracious in our response does not mean we should free reporters of any or all responsibility to have any character or integrity in their profession. There is a difference between US magazine and NBC reporting. Unfortunately not as much as there should be. There is also a HUGE difference between mainstream media covering a sporting event and...the KKK! I completely disagree with your analogy because it puts NBC's Olympic news coverage at the same level as the KKK. It's basically the same as comparing some everyday thing to the Nazi's. 

 

There was a time when the media was more serious. It's not beyond them. Sometimes it's a matter of getting what you expect... It's not either Wells and Harper learn to be gracious OR the media stops baiting with colorist questions. It's "both-and." Why not ask for and expect both?

 

I for one, want the media to stop baiting black women with colorist questions AND wished Wells and Harper had given a better response.

 

"If you want   the "RIGHT" to say what you feel then put on your big girl undies and accept the consequences. You cannot have it both ways."

 

I don't know what that is in response to either in the original post or my comment. The "right" to say what you feel has nothing to do with whether you can accept the consequences of your words or not. Everyone has that "right" whether they can handle the consequences or not. It does have to do with self-control and judgement which Wells and Harper seemed to have been lacking. They have no choice but to accept the consequences of their unfortunate response during that interview, big girl undies or buck naked... They won't be getting positive press or endorsements from it.

Maxine 1005 pts

I cringed when I saw that interview.  When she said "Boom!  Just like that!" she might as well have snapped her fingers and rolled her neck a la` Shanequa.  The media likes to engage in sexism by promoting cattiness between women, but I do think in this case race/color trumps gender.  Unfortunately we're not at the level yet where black women are seen just as women or just as individuals. Can you imagine a white American female athlete baited to speak ill of another white American female athlete?  I understand her hurt at being overlooked (which is the fault of the media, not Lolo Jones), but let's not forget that this is the Olympics, where supporting your countrymen is de rigueur.  She gave the Australian gold medalist Sally Pearson a great big hug but dissed her fellow American who holds the indoor world record?  Major faux pas.  It makes black women look unpatriotic, colorist, and lacking in good manners.     

Jazine 39 pts

 Maxine I agree, Maxine. I could tell that Dawn realized she made a tactical error by her statement and then she just had to roll with it because she already made her bed. 

 

And another thing, these women are not that young. Harper is 28 and Wells is 30; they are well into adulthood unlike sixteen year old Gabby Douglas, who I have to say, has been grace under fire with the media. That kid is going far. :)

Avoc42883 1222 pts

Honestly, I think these women are greater victims of sexism then they are of racism.  The light skin/dark skin discussion and the "angry black b** stereotype are old wounds that haven't healed, so they are front and center in this discussion.  Wells' greatest sin was simply the sin of not being lady-like.  Look at Gabby Douglas, despite all of her drama (hair/family) the mainstream white media LOVES her.  She smiles, she's grateful, even when she lost, also she's just plain cute.  When it comes to promoting women in sports, unfortunately, there is plenty of room for cute, there is even more room for pretty but there isn't any place for petty.  Even Hope Solo, a "hot" white woman got the "b***" treatment when she lashed out at a commentator. 

 

We don't see muscled, heavy set female athletes or those with aggressive persona’s getting endorsements, period.  Its something that the world of sports doesn't like from its women.  For a female athlete, her persona is essentially the only way for her to retain femininity, she can't control her muscled body, her (often) small breasts or (often) narrow hips. 

 

Wells' key mistake was that she decided she was black before she was a woman, so she got stuck playing the race game when she should have played the gender game to her advantage (its not fair, but it is what it is) and now she's paying the price. 

QueenOfThePen 300 pts

 Avoc42883 I do believe Wells can recover if she focuses on being a good sportsman and not focusing on her hair, skin color, or ethnicity.  She's a woman first and social graces are key to her success, which she can have if she works on it.

My latest conversation: Jacqueline “Jackie” Joyner-Kersee

The Working Home Keeper 6592 pts

 Avoc42883 "Wells' key mistake was that she decided she was black before she was a woman,"

 

Agreed! 

DeepWater 2457 pts

 socialitedreams   Guuuuuuurrrrrrrll, this article is AWESOME!  Bwaaahhhaaaaa.   I'mma bookmark this and keep it FRONT & CENTER when I start trippin' on folk.......lol.

 

Love your name "socialitedreams", O.K. (Lil Jon voice......lol)........I like it, obviously, you do too - lol.

socialitedreams 154 pts

 DeepWater isn't that a great read? i try to paste it everywhere, folks need to KNOW :P 

 

haha, glad you like the name.  I've always wanted to be a socialite ;) hence socialite dreams and my blog that chronicles living that:  http://www.socialitedreams.com

DeepWater 2457 pts

 socialitedreams   Yes, it is a great, love it.   Went to your site, love it.

QueenOfThePen 300 pts

 socialitedreams This is my favorite quote: "Always remember though that you don’t EVER have to answer anyone’s intrusive questions IF you don’t want to do so–unless in a court of law or similar situations. You don’t have to talk to people just because they want to talk to you. I’ve been criticized for not talking to certain people online, but I KNOW I don’t have to talk to anyone if I don’t want to do so, and just because someone asks me a question doesn’t mean I have to answer. Ebonically speaking, “They ain’t nobody!” I talk if I CHOOSE to talk or answer. We all can make that choice." ;-)

My latest conversation: Jacqueline “Jackie” Joyner-Kersee

Soul_Incites 360 pts

 socialitedreams YES! I IMMEDIATELY thought of the BBW blog when I read that statement from Wells about "keeping it real" for the fans AKA the Black Community™ AKA the mythical black monolith that expects every black woman on tv to act like a cast member of Basketball Wives. What fans?! The fickle ones who'll forget about her by the end of the closing ceremonies? Whereas if she was strategic and got her face on a cereal box or in a commercial for running shoes, she could've kept her name in folks' mouths for another 4 years for Rio 2016. Instead of hating on Lolo, she should've taken a page out of her playbook! And I totally get their resentment, the colorism issues, the media baiting, etc. but it really would have behooved her to actually LISTEN to her publicist and work smarter, not harder. Don't get mad, get strategic.

Jamila 7215 pts moderator

 Soul_Incites  socialitedreams Dawn Harper got the gold medal in the 100m hurtles in Beijing and she also received the silver medal this go round. If the media and corporate America were ever going to accept Dawn and give her kudos, now would have been the time. 

 

I think that Dawn (and maybe Kellie) too, realize that they will probably never be as accepted by the marketing machine as a Lolo Jones (after all, it hasn't happened yet despite the fact that Dawn is MORE accomplished than Lolo); and instead of trying to make people love you who have already insisted they will not love you, Dawn (and Kellie) had decided that it is better to 'keep it real' for the people who have at least shown some semblance of support for you. 

 

(I am not saying I approve of what Well's said, only that I think I understand where her 'keep it real' comment as coming from.)

Soul_Incites 360 pts

 Jamila  socialitedreams I understand your explanation Jamila, but those "supporters" aren't going to put the kind of money in her pockets that even one major endorsement would. I find it hard to believe that with the thousands of shoes, energy drinks, hair care products, sports bras etc. out there that she couldn't land ONE major endorsement. Then again, maybe, like you said, for her it IS more about seeking approval/recognition from a media that clearly favors women who look like Lolo despite having greater accomplishments. And of course that can be infuriating, but when it comes to long-term marketability, grace under pressure is still the name of the game.

 

Example: Kelly and Michelle, who never disparage Beyonce or Destiny's Child, still have lucrative careers. Letoya and Latavia, not so much (although Letoya is getting out there more). I'm sure Kelly and Michelle get tired of fielding questions about Bey and DC (when's the reunion tour?), but they know that it comes with the territory. I agree with the folks who said that Wells and Harper need a media coach to help groom them to gracefully deal with a bloodthirsty media.

DU2 2171 pts

 Soul_Incites" Don't get mad, get strategic"

 

 

EXACTLY!

QueenOfThePen 300 pts

I believe the overall message here is for us Black women who are in the spot light to garner more grace and dignity in light of all the negative press.  We own our image and although I agree that no matter what we do, the mainstream media will try and demonize us, we are still the owners of our IMAGE.  As Demita stated in her excellent piece, ". . . when you are a public figure, how you speak of and deal with other people you compete with must be as important as your physical training. Your reputation will follow you long after you hang up your running shoes so to speak."I will be the first to admit we all have a right to voice whatever we want. However, I find it also hypocritical to feel slighted when negative reactions are incurred due to voicing our opinions.  There was a time when Black women were the most gracious.  We need to return to that aspect of our womanhood.  Also, speaking from a former athlete, but now almost 50, when I competed and lost I was encouraged (and required) to ALWAYS be a gracious sportsman.  That seems to be something we have lost in this entire dialogue.  Again, we Black women own our image - positive or negative.  Which one will you choose?

My latest conversation: Jacqueline “Jackie” Joyner-Kersee

DeepWater 2457 pts

 QueenOfThePen   I agree.

Noiree 79 pts

Demita. Good article and I agree with the overall theme - one should be gracious in victory. However, in this particular case by expressing their emotions, they (Wells and Harper) have generated debate about a host of issues that have been brewing in the background but would never have seen the light of day if not for what a lot have termed their media gaffe.

 

I do not think you said it (but you may have alluded to it in your article), an article I read elsewhere insinuated Wells and Harper should be their 'sisters keeper' meaning they should have treated her better and handled the situation differently. But I wonder what about Lolo Jones? Why did she not act as her sisters keeper? I am not arguing that she dictate to the companies that sponsor her (telling them to include Wells and Harper) or invite Wells and Harper to pose with her or dispense marketing advice but she could have shined (some of the light often placed on her) onto her team mates instead - an example is Beyonce's graciousness towards Taylor Swift many years ago at the music awards, Beyonce used her precious minutes of victory to shine the spotlight on Taylor. Almost everyone is telling Wells and Harper to spare a thought for Lolo but who ever asked Lolo to spare a thought for Wells and Harper - then and now? If Lolo really has experienced the difficult life she has represented to the media (and the world) it goes some way to saying she understands what empathy and its fraternal twin sympathy are; she could have spared a thought for Harper and Wells from the get go - I do not think she did. I do not know everything I probably should know about this entire matter - I know only what the media has allowed me to know and what each of the three women (and those close to them) have allowed me to know (of course that has not stopped me from researching further). 

 

However, I remain resolute in saying this is a teaching moment for everyone, it is a moment that should enable constructive debate on the various underlying issues, it is a moment that should be used to hold the media, those who own it and ourselves accountable for the messages the media gives us and the messages we agree to receive (explicitly or implicitly) and it should be a moment where we rally around each of the three women for different reasons and for the same.

 

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Noiree   "A teaching moment."   So true, so true.

arlette81 203 pts

i really dont understand why they are so pissed off by lo la, at the end of the day it’s not her fault she gets the most attention, its the people who give her the attention they should be mad at. She gets offered money to talk about her self and to be the face of products, she is not exactly going to turn it down to spare her team mate’s feelings.  They could have handled it better but I think they are now coming off as a bit bitter.

niala.charles 98 pts

and I don't think their Wells' comment was directed at Lolo, but the media. At the end of the day she was expecting the media to care about "the three girls who earned their spot on the podium". Before the question asked by the the media, neither of them had mentioned Lolo's name, because they knew she wasn't the issue.

kiki100 630 pts

 niala.charles No matter what black women do they will be attacked. These idiots in the media are constantly asking about damn Lolo. I finally heard a white female say, "enough of Lolo, she's getting too much attention". I couldn't believe it.  From Serena's 'crip walking' to Gabby's hair and now this. We simply cannot win. I see most of the bw attacked in the media deal with it gracefully yet they still get attacked.

Noiree 79 pts

 kiki100  *sigh* Serena won and in a state of delight she danced (probably because she likes to dance and she can). I read an article that accused her of "glorifying gang culture." My mouth opened but my brain refused to engage gear - I 'tsked' and left the page! Apparently, a panel was assembled to discuss "the propriety of Williams's dance choice and sports celebrations, in general." Give me a damned break!

arlette81 203 pts

 Noiree

 yeah i too could not believe it, how in the hell does anyone think serena supports gang culture? its sad but i feel that no matter how good we are at anything there is always someone to knock us down a peg of two.

niala.charles 98 pts

     As a track athlete, I definitely understand the pain these two woman must have felt. I'm sure everyone does. This scenario is played out too often. We all know about the movie or t.v. show plot with the prettier sister getting more attention than the other sister. But the problem with this particular situation is that now, looks matter in sports. Sports are supposed to be as unbiased as a math question. 

Especially track. In track there's no fighting about "the ref was unfair." No matter what, the end result is simple. The fastest person wins every time.

     With this in mind,  I know that if it was me who felt that my talents were overlooked, there is no doubt that I would be mad. Not at Lolo, but at the media. This interview was taken the day after these two girls had medaled. They did not act this way at right after their race (even though they were interviewed), because at that point they thought they had won the battle. After a night of seeing all the hysteria on social media sites, about how bad everyone felt for Lolo, instead of congratulating them. No one had their back.They felt understandably hurt.

     As an athlete I looked up to Lolo Jones (and still do), but I never knew about all the obstacles Dawn Harper faced, because they media never said anything about it (listen to the interview). I look up to both Harper and Jones. Although Wells and harper's response were by no means perfect, I do not think they were all that bad, because i saw the tone in the interview. it could have been ALOT worse. There were no snapping of the fingers, eye rolling, or explicit language spoken. What they did is bring light to the issue. If they hadn't we wouldn't be talking about it now. I for one do not expect them to grin and bear it, like women IN GENERAL are always expected to do.

     And no. I am not being sympathetic towards them because of the "woe of the black woman" that is not the issue to me. I would feel bad for Harper and Wells no matter what their skin tone, because I believe that at their level success should not go unnoticed. With so much media surrounding the Olympics they shouldn't have. Not many people get to attend the Olympics at all. They will most likely not get this chance again. I bet their whole life they had dreamed about the day they would be held in high regard for standing on the podium like the athletes before them, but they were not given that chance.

 

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 niala.charles Wonderful answer.  When people work their behinds off to do something like what these women did, and then to not get their due recognition for it, it's unfair, and I believe they have every right to voice their thoughts and feelings.  Like you said, they could have been much worse in how they expressed themselves.  I watched the interview, and didn't think they came off rude or disrespectful, but they were passionate about what they were saying, and I didn't see anything wrong with that.

 
DeepWater 2457 pts

 niala.charles   Lolo don't get no pass with me.  Its alleged she stated that she would garner more press because of her looks, virginity, and marketability and threw this in her teammates' faces.    These folk, as I'm sure you know as a track and field person, endure this ALL YEAR during their meets.  The only goal at the elite Olympic level should be to do your best to beat and WIN over your competitors.   One has to see the goal of the gold medal while on the podium with whomevers' nations' flag rising up for your accomplishment.   Kellie Wells and Dawn Harper came out on top with a bronze and sliver respectively, these ladies are champions.  Losers should not be given press they do not deserve, especially when they have no medal to show anybody.   Don't let yo' mouth write a check that yo' ass can't cash.    

 

Hopefully, Ms. Wells and Ms. Harper will do as the folk in the NBA, MLB, and NFL do, watch "the tape" and work on getting better should one have to address the media, as a poster stated earlier, "on the fly".

niala.charles 98 pts

 DeepWater With the media i don't believe "alleged" lol. Only direct quotes with video. They like to trick us too much!

DeepWater 2457 pts

 niala.charles   Bwaaaahhhaaaa, true dat - laughin' more out loud, bwaaaahhaaaa.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 niala.charles   On a serious tip.....bwaaahhaaa......um, I say "alleged" in that I don't know these ladies from "jack" other than, as you say, what I've seen issued through the media, you know, "trickin' us".   However, with age and stage (of my life, nowhere near dead yet I don't think, I  hope not....bwaaahhaaaaa)  I can, now, see what's coming in terms of what the media wants to extract from a given situation.  There needs to be a set-up of a light-skinned, dark-skinned "actors" , when in fact this is,  IMO,  a small element, though mixed element, in the larger equation.  Bottom line is there is no "white knight" here.   Black Folk dominate track and field and have for at least 55+ years now (beginning with Wilma Rudolph for women), a bit before me and continue to do so with angst from the majority media.....lol....and the majority population still can't "wrap their minds" around this and want to "play up" whatever stereotypes that they "understand" from our "outlier" behavior.........think "weave snatchin'" as Toni_M, one of this sites' moderators, stated earlier, in that, sadly, this is normal behavior to Black Folk but "outlier" behavior to "others".   Folk have stated that Kellie Wells and Dawn Harper "fell for the bait", but these are young Olympians, not my middle-aged ass, and have yet to understand how said game is "played", therefore, they get a pass at this time.   They will learn as Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Florence Griffith-Joyner, Robin Roberts, as well as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, (sadly, not Allen Iverson....uuuugh) before, have learned, as well as other successful Black athletes, to negotiate the terrain that is the minefield of "the media", the media CAN make or break you........its best use is to ones' advantage with some skill.   Sorry, didn't mean to be that long.

niala.charles 98 pts

 DeepWater AMEN. They didn't act that way because they were black, but because they were young and inexperienced. Being young and inexperienced myself, I EASILY could have made the same mistake. I don't think their actions were anything close to "weave-snatchin" behavior. Let's keep this in perspective. If they really were to act ghetto, they easily could have snapped at the reporter, and started taking their earrings out...LOL.This isn't a colorism issue. Everyone knows black people dominate track. Darker hued people have never been shunned out of track and field media before. This time, Lolo was just the "shinier" object used to attract viewers.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 niala.charles   You got it, gurl, you just hit the nail on the head.  This is where wisdom, which sadly comes with living, pain, hurt, and sunshine comes from.    These are (very) young ladies to me and like I said they IMO get a pass THIS TIME.   Again, do as folk do in the NFL, MLB (major league baseball), and the NBA do and "rewind the the tape" and see where one can get better, these ladies will be a MAJOR force in 2016, most likely the year of some of their retirement.  It's a lesson we, now, ALL learn.   In my youth, maybe even now.....bwaaaahhhhaaaa.........I'da broke Beadle off a piece (of my mind).   This is where Public Relations comes in, to smooth out "them kinks", ya heard?

josie3144 128 pts

I just wish they would have kept their thoughts to themselves..we all know how the media works..its not pretty...then when Lolo cried...dang it took it to the next level...and started explaining how she was qualified enough to be in the Olympics...it just got crazy...look they know the media loves beautiful women...and that's it...we had a little catty ish going on in the Winter Olympics 2010 from Julia Mancuso to Lindsey Vonn...but it wasn't as blatant as this...some people need PR assistants...or something..

Noiree 79 pts

 josie3144 I disagree with you. I am glad that they candidly expressed their feelings - they were hurt. By expressing themselves they have enabled a discussion on the reasons underlying their hurt and the media's treatment of them (and countless others like them). They have allowed a powerful tool (internet/blogosphere) to discuss the age old battle that very few tackle head on: dark skinned v. light skinned a.k.a colourism. Lets have a frank and constructive debate. It's not enough to say "they always do that to your type - get over it!" If it is not acknowledged it cannot be changed and it is high time we began holding the media accountable for the stereotypes they perpetuate.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Noiree   Exactly.  Because what I got from the previous poster is that these woman should just "get over it".  That's funny because  you might as well say that anyone complaining here over unfair, bad treatment toward black women, should just get over it then, since that's just how it is and how it has been. Yeah, the media operates that way, but that doesn't make it right or fair, and  these woman spoke how they felt. And they stated how they felt in a direct way, no side stepping or tip toeing, just plainly stating the unfairness that they feel has occurred. 

 
josie3144 128 pts

 Noiree  OK let me add this...that was not the time..or place to talk about how Lolo's story was not as important as their stories...I just feel that after the Olympics would have been a bit more proper...and they could have taken there untold stories to someone...to shine light on their journeys to the Olympics..as a sidebar...I'm dark skinned...so I know about how people(normally that look like me) act like I should hide under a rock because my skin tone...

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Amen.

 

I didn't hear about this story.  Perhaps the winners were jealous of all the pre-Olympics attention that Lolo generated.  Their responses sound unnecessarily harsh.  Hopefully, they'll do better the next time around.