What is Feminine?

What is Feminine?

Note: This post is meant for women who want to be more feminine in the old fashioned sense. It’s really not about being a male-identified woman or about arguing whether being feminine is right or wrong. Women are free to make the choice to be old fashioned feminine. This is somewhat of a tutorial of a specific type of femininity, not all forms of femininity. This is not meant to pressure you to be something else or dictate what you should wear or behave :)

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Note: This post is meant for women who want to be more feminine in the old fashioned sense. It’s really not about being a male-identified woman or about arguing whether being feminine is right or wrong. Women are free to make the choice to be old fashioned feminine. This is somewhat of a tutorial of a specific type of femininity, not all forms of femininity. This is not meant to pressure you to be something else or dictate what you should wear or behave :)

What I Specifically Mean When I Say “Feminine”

Any time a discussion about femininity arises someone asks the question, “What is feminine and what is femininity?” Well I looked into it a bit. According to Wikipedia (I know it isn’t an academic source):

Femininity (also called womanliness or womanhood) is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles generally associated with girls and women. Femininity is made up of both socially defined and biologically created factors. This makes it distinct from the simple definition of the biological female sex, as women, men, and transgender people can all exhibit feminine traits…Behavioral traits generally considered feminine include gentleness, empathy, and sensitivity. (source: Wikipedia)

Angelique Noire, pin-up model and one of my fashion role models

So, you being a woman does not automatically make you feminine. Anything that a woman does is not automatically feminine. I don’t rely much on modern definitions. Why? Because in the past masculine and feminine was clearly delineated and there was no androgyny or ambiguity like there is today. It was simple so it was also easy to understand. This also doesn’t have to be a scientific thing because femininity predates gender studies. You just know it when you see it. It may help to look at works of art depicting women. You might not like this, but realistic paintings like those of the Renaissance and French Impressionists (e.g., ManetDegasRenoir) really captured femininity, although all the women were White (please just imagine they were Black). I read an African American art book once and almost all of the paintings were depicting suffering or something edgy so they were not the same. Wouldn’t it be great if Black artists depicted us in a highly feminine manner? Sigh…one can only dream. See the P.S. below for more tips :)

The femininity I focus on is old fashioned/vintage femininity, specifically femininity in Western countries dating from maybe 1900-1960. However Western women looked and acted back then is what I consider “feminine”. I’m focusing on Western femininity because that’s where I live. No need to be rigid about that image though (i.e., you do not need white skin, white features, or straight blonde hair to be feminine). What stands out about this look is that women’s clothing looked different from men’s and it was soft, flowing, and delicate with nothing androgynous. Hair was medium length to long. Other aspects include painted or well manicured medium length nails, especially in red. Subtle makeup was worn to look natural and to enhance natural features and clear skin. Feminine shoes, dresses, skirts, and modest jewelry were the norm. Basically Dorothy Dandridge, Diahann Carroll, Marylin Monroe, Dita Von Teese, and Zoe Deschanel stand out to me for having old fashioned femininity. Stores like ModCloth, Shabby Apple, and vintage/thrift stores sell clothing that I recommend to get this look. So nothing hard, edgy, or masculine in terms of dress. Back then everyone knew what feminine and masculine meant and there was no ambiguity. Some women may prefer a modern feminine look that includes masculine items like pants, androgynous styles, or edgy styles but that doesn’t appeal to me and that isn’t old fashioned feminine.

 

Feminine Traits

Today in research, questionnaires are often used to assess someone’s masculine and feminine traits. I searched the Interwebs and had

Gabrielle Union

no luck finding long lists of traits! But I found one, the Bem Sex Role Inventory (BSRI; 1974), that might still be used today. The BSRI lists masculine and feminine traits that you can read below:

Masculine Traits: acts as a leader, aggressive, ambitious, analytical, assertive, athletic, competitive, defends own beliefs, dominant, forceful, has leadership abilities, independent, individualistic, makes decisions easily, masculine, self-reliant, self-sufficient, strong personality, willing to take a stand, willing to take risks.

Feminine Traits: affectionate, cheerful, childlike, compassionate, does not use harsh language, eager to soothe hurt feelings, feminine, flatterable, gentle, gullible, loves children, loyal, sensitive to the needs of others, shy, soft spoken, sympathetic, tender, understanding, warm, yielding.

Based on the BSRI it’s no wonder many think the “Strong Independent Black Woman” role and title is too masculine, that’s because it is from an old fashioned viewpoint! I actually believe that Black women would benefit from adopting an old fashioned feminine look as well as some old fashioned feminine traits. I do not consider occupations when I discuss femininity so whatever you have to do at work is not an issue. I am not concerned about hobbies either or what you are good at doing around the house (i.e., gender roles). This is about feminine traits not activities or jobs so I do have some modern ideas about femininity, lol! Traits that need to be turned off outside of work include being aggressive, defending own beliefs too much, dominant, forceful, too independent, too individualistic, masculine, too self-reliant, too self-sufficient, strong personality, too willing to take a stand, and too willing to take risks. These traits make people in general difficult to get along with and they bother people even more when expressed by women. Yes that’s not fair I know.

From what I’ve read and heard from men, they are turned off by women who are more masculine than feminine. They are more

The legendary Dorothy Dandridge

interested in women they do not confuse with men. So if you want to attract a high quality masculine man for a relationship then maybe getting in touch with your femininity will be helpful. I also think that some women may look better in feminine clothing. I used to wear jeans, hoodies, and runners all the time like everyone else. That was until I cut my hair after going natural and felt uncomfortable. I felt that I looked too masculine and I didn’t like it. So I started to wear more jewelry and decided to wear more dresses and skirts that I purchased from a thrift store. I found out that the clothing was actually quite comfortable and looked great! I would not have known had I not tried! I have changed styles many times and this was a change that I really liked.

So if you don’t like being thought of as masculine then why not try to be more feminine? It seems as though, once again, for a Black woman to be considered as feminine as the average White or Asian woman then she has to appear more feminine than average. Old fashioned/vintage feminine women appear more feminine than average to me. I don’t mind looking more feminine because I think it makes me look better. I don’t mind acting more feminine or like a lady either because I think that it makes me pleasant to be around and that’s a good thing. Being liked is helpful and being disliked is not. Fortunately for me it is also compatible with personality so it’s not so much of a stretch. If you are used to dressing in a more masculine, androgynous, or edgy manner I would suggest you start with small changes such as wearing a plain black skirt, ballet flats, heels, or a feminine top and see how you feel. Then you can add more items as you become more comfortable.

Reasons to Become More Feminine

I am not of the mindset that you should only do things for certain reasons and that there is a “right” or “wrong” reason for doing something (outside of ethical issues and laws). I do not look at being feminine from a moral standpoint or a feminist standpoint. I look at it from a pragmatic, realist, or behaviourist operant conditioning perspective, and any choice that brings your rewards, avoids punishments, and doesn’t hurt others is a valid choice. You can decide to be and look more feminine for any reason you want. If it makes you happy, gets you what you want, and doesn’t hurt anyone then the reason is valid.  People do things for many reasons that they are not even conscious of and how you present yourself is no exception. Other people choose their behaviour and styles for many different reasons and the choice to be feminine is no different. Here are some reasons why you might want to become more feminine or embrace your femininity (some may think that only reasons 1 and 2 are valid reasons but I don’t):

  1.  You think looking and acting more feminine is true to who you are as an individual. This will be expressing who you really are and being your best self. You think that feminine traits are great and very attractive. You are naturally feminine.
  2. You feel that society convinced you that being feminine was wrong or inferior so now you want to give it a chance and try something different. You had negative opinions about femininity but now you think differently. You realized that many people looked down on femininity so you rejected everything feminine.
  3. You think that being feminine is more attractive to men. You want to attract men or keep your man attracted to you. You think it will make you more attractive than masculine women including women of other races who choose to be more masculine. You think it will make you more attractive than you already are so it will be an improvement. You believe this will put you ahead of the competition.
  4. After seeing ultra feminine fashion you have begun to like it. You think looking feminine is beautiful, cute, pretty, sweet, and very attractive. You want to try this new style and have a makeover. You just feel like changing your style and trying something new. I made a video about how to look feminine, previously posted on BB&W, that may help.
  5. After hearing about feminine traits you decided that you want to have these traits. You think that feminine traits are very positive, pleasant, attractive, useful, and good traits to have. You think that having and expressing these traits will make you a better person. This video describes some of the positive traits that I like.
  6. You think that becoming more feminine will make you more likable and acceptable to people. You are being mistreated by others and think that being more feminine may help. You think it may help you with making friends, attracting a man, and getting along with coworkers. Strangers may be nicer to you, treat you with more respect, act chivalrous, and treat you with care. People may not expect you to be angry, strong, or independent so they will not treat you like a pack mule.
  7. You want to emulate a feminine role model. You like everything about this role model and want to be like her. You think your role model’s style is perfect, she presents herself perfectly, and she is a great person. You feel that this will be an improvement over the way you already are (e.g., Michelle Obama). I made a video of 52 feminine Black women that you might like as role models.
  8. You admire women of the past so you want to look and be like them. You believe that they had admirable traits that are not as common today. You would rather be an old fashioned feminine woman than a modern woman (e.g., Claire Huxtable or Dorothy Dandridge). I made a video of old fashioned feminine Black women that you may find helpful.
  9. You want society to think Black women are just as good as other women. You are tired of the criticisms about the way Black women look. You believe that Black women would be viewed more positively if they were more feminine. You are doing this due to respectability politics so your behaviour and appearance is a political statement.
  10. You are caving to the pressure to be more feminine. Wait a minute….? While this is your choice I encourage you NOT to change for this reason. This post is not meant to control or force you to do anything. It was meant to present an option that I and others have chosen and enjoy. Don’t do this if you hate it and don’t want to. But if you do change for this reason do not be ashamed, it’s just clothing and feminine traits are actually pretty positive. Even feminine women have some masculine traits, especially at work, so you don’t have to become a completely different person. If your clothing style is linked to your soul then don’t change (it’s superficial, relax) and if you are a tomboy and think you will die if you show a feminine trait then don’t change. No one wants to see you miserable, that wouldn’t be feminine anyway :)

P.S. This video of women in gowns may help you to visualize ultra feminine Black women. My Tumblr site also has many images and the more you see them the easier it will be for you to notice femininity. Focus especially on the way the women are presenting themselves (e.g., posture, smiles, expressions). Look at the images and use adjectives to describe what is feminine about the women. The most common adjective will probably be “soft” in appearance, expression, clothing, and personality (as in being open, pleasant, kind, affectionate, cooperative, friendly and the opposite of hard, inflexible, unapproachable, scary, threatening, or mean). A smile softens you and is a universal expression of softness that says ‘I am a friend and I am not a threat’.

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CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

    I'm a white guy and I feel like I've found a refuge here! I've participated in other blogs on the web, IR and non IR and whenever I bring up my appreciation for a woman who embraces her girly side, I always get degogatory comments like "Why do I have to dress girly and wear makeup? You should love me for what's on the inside!" or  "Do you know how hard it is on the feet to stand in high heels all day?"  It's nice to hear from women that enjoy looking pretty! I think it's a compliment to your man that you would take the time and effort to look feminine for us! I know that much of what you ladies do to look good for us is painfull ( wearing the heels all day, plucking eyebrows and things even worse (just the idea of a bikini wax is horrific) and I want you to know that at least from this guy,  we appreciate it!  

 

 

zabeth 817 pts

 CAPT SMOOTH He may appreciate you being ladylike and feminine, but don't be surprised when he expects sex on the 3rd date. VET all people and things.

 

http://lormariesplace.com/should-men-dictate-sex/

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 zabeth

 I thought we cleared that all up? Whatever! Feminine ladies don't have a problem with cooking!

zabeth 817 pts

 CAPT SMOOTH  But for men they barely know? I have no problem cooking but not for someone I just met. See the entire discussion, ladies. It's very telling and valuable. 

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 zabeth

 Bring it on! I  said nothing unreasonable! Too many posters were focussing too much on the wrong things! I feel there's nothing unreasonable for a female to offer something as reciprocation for being taken out twice! I never said I expected sex on the third date, like most guy I wouldn't turn it down but I don't expect it! How much do you have to know  about a guy before you can throw a pot roast and potatoes in the oven?  I'm going to leave at that. If anybody is interested your more than welcome to check it out! I gave the reasonable response from a guys point of view! I no longer want to sully this blog with this nonsense!

zabeth 817 pts

 CAPT SMOOTH Because cooking a roast and spending hours in a kitchen is nothing at all really.

Brenda55 19511 pts moderator

 zabeth  CAPT SMOOTH 

Read the link you provided and all of the comments.

And.

Capt Smooth is running pretty consistent here and I for one am not having a problem with what he is posting here and what he posted there.

 

If you don't dig him don't engage. 

Brenda55 19511 pts moderator

 CAPT SMOOTH  zabeth 

 

Smooth saw what your wrote over on the other site so you may like this story.

Over on yet another board...This one:

http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/

One of the regulars is returning to the dating game after a long break...

marriage, divorce, wound licking.  You know the drill. So now we have this near fifty something guy who reconnected with a high school friend on FB and after the obligatory back and forth asks her out. 

 

He has a big night planned and he shows up at the appointed time to take her out.  Telling her his plans she stops him mid sentence.

" Look we can go out and you can blow $250.00 tonight or we can go the Beef -N- Beer over at the VFW.   If we can still stand each other by the end of the evening we can take it from there."

 

The guy asked the board what they made of that.  Most of the guys had one response.  Marry her. 

 

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 Brenda55  

 Thank you for your support sweet pea, I agree whole heartedly! She's the marrying kind!  I don't have any problem spoiling a lady as long as she can appreciate what I've done for her! If you are half as attractive as you are classy, you are beautiful! 

EnJay 889 pts

@CAPT SMOOTH @zabeth I don't see what "femininity" has to do with cooking. Adults who want to eat need to know how to feed themselves. And if I'm as busy (or busier) than you are, then my cooking may not happen any more often than your cooking. Or the woman may just not lie to cook. I do, personally, but I don't see it as "women's work." Come on, Capt - I'm cool with you on the "reciprocation of appreciation," but this is going somewhere else.

EnJay 889 pts

@Brenda55 @CAPT SMOOTH @zabeth Agree. It doesn't take a lot of money to know if you like someone or not. So should any elaborate cooking. Or being totally alone, for that matter. People are crazy these days.

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 NicoleJB  CAPT  zabeth

 I don't see it as womens work either! That's why I learned how!  But like you said, "A woman may just not like to cook" in the same paragraph that you said. "Adults who want to eat need to know how to feed themselves."  But, whatever, all guys want to know is that we are appreciated and we'd rather be shown than told! Words are cheap, If  a woman doesn't know how to cook that's fine, think of something else! All we ask is for you to make a decent effort! If the romance is going to blossom into marriage. We'd like to think you have something to bring to the table!

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 NicoleJB   zabeth

 This has been a stress free forum and I don't want to bring any stress to it so I'm not going any farther with this topic, I think I've made my point and if not it's just falling on deaf ears anyway, so let's just agree to disagree! Have a lovely day ladies!

Brenda55 19511 pts moderator

 CAPT SMOOTH  NicoleJB  zabeth 

" This has been a stress free forum and I don't want to bring any stress to it so I'm not going any farther with this topic,"

 

The Mods thank-you.

Brenda55 19511 pts moderator

LaFemmeSphinx

Yo! Hirshman. Steiner.  Bazelon. Dornhuber.

 

Check this:

“By necessity and by choice, a majority of black women have been working outside the home at least since the census began keeping track of their labor in 1972. There has never been a national effort to keep black women at home, caring sweetly for their children. They have always worked, and their work has never been a separate thing from their mothering.”

 

 

Now STFU and stop trying to tell black women what to do.

 

 

 

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

 LaFemmeSphinx I don't support Obama, but reading those criticisms of the First Lady has me annoyed!  I tend to think if the First Lady was white, these feminists would not have a problem with her choice to focus on being a wife and mother.  Isn't that what feminism is about after all, choice?  I hope the First Lady continues this next term as "Mom-in-Chief". 

zabeth 817 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  LaFemmeSphinx I don't necessarily think so. Feminists loved Hillary because she continued to work outside the home and mocked Laura Bush for being a Librarian and not having a big high profile career. 

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

 zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx So, basically the only choice they support is being a high-powered, careerist.  Heaven forbid a woman would want to prioritize family over career.  Or, not make it her life's goal to climb the corporate ladder.  

 

Not trying to get snippy with you zabeth .  I just find feminists and feminism frustrating LOL!

zabeth 817 pts

@The Working Home Keeper @LaFemmeSphin I'm definitely not offended. I just don't think the Feminist criticism would be different if the Obama's had been white.

EnJay 889 pts

 zabeth  The  LaFemmeSphin 

I agree, Zabeth.  Many feminists seem to believe that there is only one way to be a "worthwhile" (high-quality? *wink*) woman, and if you choose to have children, or work at home or do something that they don't feel advances their cause, you are shunned - no matter your color.  In fact, the criticism might have been WORSE if she was white, because the majority culture of feminism (white women) usually doesn't factor in women of color anyway.

 

Women- heck, ADULTS should be free to make choices that suit them and their lifestyles, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.  To put them down because their choices aren't the same as yours is narrow-minded, no matter WHO'S doing it.

 

 

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

 NicoleJB  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx  True - maybe the criticism would have been the same regardless of color.  But, it seemed like in reading the article, the initial expectation was because Michelle O. was a black woman, she would be a "sista soldier" type for feminist causes.  But, when the First Lady took a gentler path, they were upset and baffled.  When really the choice to put work aside and focus on family and home is one white woman make frequently. 

 

Maybe I'm inserting too much of my own emotions into it.  I just hate to see black women limited and put into narrow boxes.  As if black women don't also want to care for their own families and homes!

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

 NicoleJB  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx 

correction...white women make frequently.

zabeth 817 pts

 The  LaFemmeSphin Also, remember how they went after Anne Romney for being a "corporate wife" that never really worked. 

EnJay 889 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx 

 

Totally understand what you're saying, and I agree with the "sista soldier"(i.e. "pawn") thing.  If she were white, the criticism would have been different, but she still would have been criticized for not being a different type of pawn.

 

I honestly don't think it's all feminists, or even most - it's just the loudmouth ones.  I guess that's always the way it is in any sector - the ones actually doing the work are too busy DOING THE WORK to be publicly deriding others for their decisions.

 

I don't like to see people put into boxes either, whether it be the "weak" box because a woman chooses to work at home instead of outside of the home (because keeping a well-ordered household IS WORK), or the "masculine" box because a woman chooses to (or has to) work outside of the home... I'm not even going to talk about that "slut" box... ugh.

 

Most of us are doing the best we can for our lives and the lives of the people we care about.  Respect is important, no matter what.  These particular "feminists" are out of line.

Elegance 2096 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  NicoleJB  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx  I think they expected her to be a "strong, independent Black woman" and not let her husband's role as President interfere with her career goals temporarily. Career is way more important than enjoying the role of First Lady or being lucky enough to focus on one's family temporarily. I guess they think her career will disappear and she will no longer be a lawyer if she puts it off for 8 years. 

EnJay 889 pts

 Elegance  The Working Home Keeper  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx 

 

Women historically have tended to defer to men's careers and get lost in raising children, and cleaning house, then when the children are gone, they are often left wondering "what now?" in a way that men generally aren't.

 

I think it's important to be aware of why you are making the decision that you are making.  Are you a stay at home mom because you WANT to be? Or because you are "expected" to be?  "What do YOU want to do?" is a valid question.  And your answer, whatever it is, is valid, as long as you don't hurt anyone.

 

That said, I have not seen any indication whatsoever that Michelle Obama is not well aware of he choice that she is making, and people trying to belittle her decision are actually acting against the notion of "equal rights."  Equal rights includes the right to stay home.  Some feminists forget that.

onmywayup 1785 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  NicoleJB  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx 

"Maybe I'm inserting too much of my own emotions into it.  I just hate to see black women limited and put into narrow boxes.  As if black women don't also want to care for their own families and homes!"

 

If you are just being emotional, then so am I. Because I felt the same about the whole "sista soldier" thing.

onmywayup 1785 pts

NicoleJBEleganceThe Working Home KeeperzabethLaFemmeSphinx"

"Women historically have tended to defer to men's careers and get lost in raising children, and cleaning house, then when the children are gone, they are often left wondering "what now?" in a way that men generally aren't."

 

That's true, but as the article also mentioned,

"But most black feminists and writers had a different view. Let the sister get settled, they said. Give her a minute to do a head count. And if she wanted to focus on motherhood, for black women that was more than fine. It was arguably revolutionary, because black women were long denied the right — or lacked the means — to simply care for their own." And also what Brenda said above regarding how black women have been long working outside the home.

 

I guess my point is that it is less expected for a black woman to be expected to stay at home than it is for white women (in general). So I think that the feminists in particular who are criticising Mrs. Obama are not considering that context. They are thinking of a past where women were made to stay inside the home...but during this period, a lot of black women were also working outside the home! So their complaints don't apply imo.

 

I do agree with you that people should be able to choose what they want to do!

 

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 zabeth  The

She didn't!  She had maids and nannies and house keepers! If you ladies here think that she could handle one day of what you do for your families, you are definitely delusional!  Anne Romney was used by her husband and the republican party to paint her as someone who could relate to the problems of women in this country! She was not qualified to address any womans concerns (including homemakers) that didn't occupy the mansions of the top 1%.  Worrying about what to serve at the bridge club does not qualify you to address issues about fair pay and equality in the workforce many women have to face! Just because you have ovaries doesn't mean that you'll make a great mother!

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 NicoleJB  zabeth  The

 I hope you ladies realize that no matter how much grief you may get from the radical part of the feminists it pales compared to what males get if they stay home to take care of the kids and keep the homefires burning! In these fiscally difficult times, the wives often make more money or can find jobs easier than men and when the roles are reversed the men get a whole lot more derision than the women doing the same thing!

JazzFest 94 pts

 NicoleJB  The Working Home Keeper  zabeth  LaFemmeSphinx 

"I honestly don't think it's all feminists, or even most - it's just the loudmouth ones.  I guess that's always the way it is in any sector - the ones actually doing the work are too busy DOING THE WORK to be publicly deriding others for their decisions."

 

SO TRUE! I totally agree with this!

SirLoinDeBeef 2511 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  LaFemmeSphinx Feminism is about choice ... so long as you choose what THEY want, when THEY want it, the way THEY want it - otherwise, you are a reactionary mule-drone.

DWB 7517 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef  The Working Home Keeper  LaFemmeSphinx EXACTLY!!!!!

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 The Working Home Keeper  LaFemmeSphinx

 I do support Obama and I think you ladies are giving feminism a bad rap! Sure there are women on both sides of the feminist issue, I've also heard stay at home moms make degrading comments about the parenting skills of working mothers, too. Both choices deserve respect!  It would be nice if all women had the option, but  that is not reality! If you ladies are lucky enough to get to choose to be stay at home wives and homemakers, good for you, anybody who has ever taken on your  responsibilities and does it well, knows how hard the work is! You should also remember that women that have a 40 hour a week job also have to come home and try to do everything you ladies do too! 

Feminism should support women independant of their choice! Feminism fights to get women equal pay and benefits and opportunities for advancement! You can be feminist and feminine!  Nobody would deny that the majority of  actresses in hollywood aptly handle both! Are you going to tell Halle Berry, Scarlett Johansen or Jessica Alba that they lack femininity? Don't let a few fringe nuts on either side ruin it!  

Elegance 2096 pts

 LaFemmeSphinx 

I read the article and I remember hearing similar criticisms from feminists. This is how a lot of women find out what feminists believe. They find out what they criticize about other women and use that as an indication of what they think a "real, modern, non-oppressed woman" should be. They criticize women who put off their careers to have children.

 

Women create their children, they are alive, and parents are solely responsible for their care and safety. Women are not responsible to their careers in the same way. Michelle could go back to her career after the 8 years anyway, some housewives do that once the kids are grown. She could decide to do something else too since people do sometimes change their careers. 

 

I think that when feminists belittle women like Michelle Obama other women take that personally because she may be making decisions or acting the way these women also do. That's why I get irritated when they say Michelle and others (e.g., Zooey Deschanel, Taylor Swift) are bad role models when I like them and have a lot in common with them. That just lets me know that the feminists may think I am setting their cause back too and their cause is not my cause. It doesn't even matter if some women like me don't call ourselves feminists, because some feminists would reject us anyway. According to them, unless you totally reject the way women were in the past then you are an oppressed tool of the patriarchy and setting them back 100 years. 

onmywayup 1785 pts

 LaFemmeSphinx Bottom line. Certain mainstream feminists need to stop assuming that every woman has the same issues.

iHeartLove 804 pts

Your tumblr is really nice Elegance. Love seeing all the beautiful ladies. Thanks for sharing. :)

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 iHeartLove

 Elegance has some really breathtaking videos on youtube also! Very nice!!!!

LaFemmeSphinx 286 pts

I am a paragon of femininity. 

 

For that, I have no regrets. 

CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

 LaFemmeSphinx

 And you shouldn't! I love girls like you, Elegance  and Onmywayup and others that embrace your femininity! I've always been attracted to ultra feminine girly girls! Most straight guys do (with the exception of the neanderthals)!  I would never consider dating a tomboy and those that do ought to reconsider going back in the closet! To paraphrase Don Henley, women are the only true work of art! Watching a truly feminine woman getting dressed can be more erotic than seeing a girl completely nude! Getting to watch you pulling stockings up long silky smooth legs, fastening buttons on a frilly blouse, fitting the cups of a lacy bra around your luscious breasts, zipping up the back of your dress, applying glossy lipstick and daubing on perfume, primping your hair, putting on earrings and slipping on those sexy stilletoes with the 4 (or 5) inch spike heels and knowing your (hopefully) doing it all for me ? If that doesn't get your red blooded male heart racing, there is no hope for you! There is a reason the ladies of Hollywood are considered some of the most beautiful women in the world and that's because they embrace everything about being a woman!  

ImaniScully 200 pts

I feel we all have masculine and feminine traits or what I like to call them just traits.  It's just that you have to use them in the appropriate setting and/or context. I'm not going to be "feminine" all the time or "masculine" all the time. I will have both traits, because that's just who I am.

Butterfly1 601 pts

Perfect example of acting masculine...I looove the Akward Black Girl Series...If you watch the latest episode, you will see how J totally screws things up.  She goes out to dinner with her boyfriend and his friends.  When the time comes to pay, one of his friends tries to get out of paying the full amount of his part.  J's boyfriend does not care, he is just going to pay.  Well J gets mad and tells her boyfriend's friend off.  Then J and her boyfriend get into a serious argument and I think that they might break up.  It was all over nothing.  It was all over her being so masculine about the situation in my opinion.  After the episode, I was like the only thing that she needed to do was keep her mouth shut.

EnJay 889 pts

 Butterfly1 If the non-paying party was J's female friend, and her boyfriend called the friend on it... would he be acting in a "masculine" manner?

 

I think she just needed to mind her own business, as would the boyfriend if the situation was reversed.

 

I am questioning the behaviors that are called "masculine" when assigned to women, but not even appropriate when men do them.  Certain behaviors may be inappropriate, but I don't think they are "masculine", or it would be okay (or even expected) for men to do them.

Butterfly1 601 pts

 NicoleJB

You definitely have a point there.  I guess when he seems like he did not care and she would not let it go....the way she went on about it seemed masculine to me but I can see what you mean.

onmywayup 1785 pts

 Butterfly1 That situation was a mess! But I think J's social awkwardness and unease was to blame for this one, as well as her boyfriend Jay's decision not to stick up for her when his friend Farouk made those rude comments about her.

Butterfly1 601 pts

 onmywayup

 I know it was a mess.  But when you think about it.  She was trying to make an impression on his friends and Farouk made that comment after she made a stink about her boyfriend paying for his friend's meal which was only a few dollars.  When NicoleJB says that that would have been inappropriate if the boyfriend would have done the same thing, she was right.  But you know what?  It would not have been an issue if a white guy was trying to impress your friends.  A white guy is not going to insult your friends because you decide to pay for your girlfriend's meal cause she is short a few dollars.   The white guys that I have gone out with would have just paid for it.  Whites choose their battles more in my opinion.  In fact, and please dont everyone jump all over me, EVERYONE chooses their battles better than a lot of black women.   With some black women there is ALWAYS something to argue about.  Even white women keep their mouth shut when they want something from someone.  A white woman can think that you are the dirt beneath her shoes but if she wants something from you she will pour on the charm. 

 

Look at the larger picture.  Her purpose for being there was to meet and make an impression on her boyfriend's friends.  She started an argument over a few dollars and seemed to embarass him and start an argument with his friends at the same time and make herself look like the typical stereotype.

 

Was all of that worth it?  I dont think so. 

 

 

EnJay 889 pts

 Butterfly1  onmywayup I do feel that she was inappropriate.  Not "masculine," not "she did it because she is a black woman,"  she did it because she felt like it was important to her at that time, and if the consequences were worth it to HER, then more power to her.  I personally don't agree, but that's not my relationship.

 

That said, I caution you about making blanket statements like "a white guy is not going to insult your friends..."  or "a white woman... will pour on the charm." - inappropriate behavior comes in all shades, races, genders, religious leanings, and sexual orientations, as does "situation-appropriate" behavior.  Please don't feed stereotypes.

onmywayup 1785 pts

 Butterfly1 I don't think J's response was appropriate in that situation either. I was just saying as someone whose social skills have not always been the best (lol understatement, I was pathologically shy and had "social anxiety disorder"), that I understood why she acted that way. The whole evening was just horrible. And when I was saying that Jay should have stuck up for his girlfriend, I was referring to the other comments Farouk had made during the dinner...like the one he had made about her being "indecisive" was surely a reference to the whole situation when Fred and Jay were fighting over J in season 1.  I wasn't talking about what he had said when J blew up due to the whole money situation.

 

To be clear, I don't think J should have said anything about the check. However, I don't think her anger was necessarily about how they were making her boyfriend pay for the entire check. I think it was more due to frustration due to an entire social situation gone wrong. I probably have blown up inappropriately a couple of times myself in the past. Not because I'm trying to be aggressive or masculine or anything, but because when I mishandle social situations (as J had done that entire night when nothing seemed to go right for her), it is incredibly disheartening and frustrating. So sometimes the frustration manifested itself as rudeness. That's why I blamed J's social awkwardness.